In today’s Ottawa Citizen yours truly has a few comments quoted near the end.
Almost everyone has a skeleton or two inside their closet. But keeping them there, locked safely in the past, has never been more difficult for people in public life, as Tom Lukiwski discovered this week.
The Conservative MP apologized again yesterday for the anti-gay screed he uttered on videotape, 17 years ago, in a political backroom in Saskatchewan.
“I will spend the rest of my career and my life trying to make up for those comments,” he told the House of Commons.
In other news, Svend Robinson was released on parole this week.
Lukiwski, shut up – you’ve said enough. Stop being a chew toy. Give it a month, and even Google will have trouble remembering your name. You’ve spent enough years in political life to know the truth behind “there, but for the grace of camcorder…”
Charles Adler and I are on the same page;
Do I want to spend hours chatting about what a couple of drunken hacks laughed about in private 16 years ago? No. They were getting stupid with each other and some other fellow travelers. They were stupid to tape it and stupid not to trash the tape years ago.
Would it be a stupid move for me to get into public life? Yes it would be.
My honest approach to such stupidity would be covered by certain media types as enabling sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. Why would any intelligent person want to participate in such an intellectually dumbed-down environment as today’s political circus?
Indeed. The chances that anyone who has survived the eyeball-scratching of internal party politics to rise to a position of national prominence without uttering a few politically nuclear epithets is near zero.
This type of indignation is highly selective. For example, I’m described in the Citizen as running a controversial blog, yet there’s a NDP riding association president in Saskatchewan who lists among his “daily reads” the Number One Source On The Progressive Net For The Word “C*nt”[TM].
To date, the NDP’s official party net nanny hasn’t noticed, You’d have thunk he’d have found it whilst surfing. Someone ought to tell him before Lorne Calvert hears about it in the Leg.
After seeing his first bleat on TV I put this up on my rant spot two days ago.
Sheesh … what a wimp! … Why not be a man and just tell the truth. Back in ’92 it was far more acceptable to say such things about gay people because they had not yet fully hijacked the political elite as they have in recent years. This guy is freaking because his political career may have just gone down the rabbit hole.
Lets hope no gays and lesbians are hurt because they may be feared as spreading deadly diseases because Atkinson new she was distributing a disturbing video tape with the help of the media. Lets hope the authorities can stop the spread of this hatred in time. People are starting to give stats on the gays and lesbians that may carry disease. Where are the police when you need them.
” Why would any intelligent person want to participate in such an intellectually dumbed-down environment as today’s political circus?”
How true, how sadly true.
One must force ones self to watch this philistine theater so we can identify the truely dangerous and keep them away from the switches… but the intellectual level of discouse has been pervaded with such infantile foaming over fly specs it is not surprising that the larger questions of nationhood and good governance have escaped Canadians and the political agenda for the past 3o years.
A dystopian society produces dystopian politics.
If Lukiwski is not careful, he become co-author of a new book: Kissing Ass in Canadian Politics.
What is bugging me most about this is the MSM. The man has apologized twice now and it seems that this is still not enough. What he said was deplorable, he made an apology and the MSM should move on then because that is how it works for anyone not a Conservative. But no, the MSM is now talking about demotions, kicked out of caucus or maybe a good tar/feathering would be appropriate.
Were the apology mine to make it would have been something like this:
I am truly sorry that the member opposite has no intellect or sense of humour and is completely devoid of any historical reality. I am deeply offended that some twit digging through trash thinks that gotcha politics is the way to run a nation as wonderful as Canada. In light of present circumstances I am waiting for the member opposite to step down from elected office in this great country just as I am demanding the resignation of Robert Fife for his bigoted comments made on national television.
ROTFLMAO!!! Isn’t that Sean in Saskatchewan a gem. The NDP couldn’t ask for a better poster boy to represent the wounded, aging dinosaur that it has become. His bloated sense of self-righteousness makes me laugh and his buttons are just soooo raw and soooo easy to push. He needs to toughen up and develop a whole lot more gray cells. I doubt he and his party will ever be able to come up with a new idea and still be within the socialist sphere. They’ve all be tried. They’ve all failed.
WL:
It is true and is why our government is peopled mostly by unaccomplished hacks, as is the eopposition for the most part. There must be something gravely wrong when a University dropout with no professional experience or qualification like little Pierre Poilievre is a “rising star” in the governing party.
God help us all.
” jwl …What is bugging me most about this is the MSM. … ”
Agreed !!!!
Funny how the gay community or the Muslim community always seem to get a free pass then caught in an indiscretion !
Svend Robinson’s little escapade with the ring in a store received less publicity than this.
Mohammed El Masri’s comment about all Israelis over 18 were fair targets for suicide bombers was barely mentioned in the MSM.
Robert Fife on CTV national news can label Conservatives as “knuckle draggers”. Susan Riley on TVO Studio2 can call Conservatives “knuckle draggers”
… but OMG … mention the word faggot and the MSM wants to burn you at the stake !
Funny how this tape surfaces just when the HRCC are taking a well deserved kicking.
Just sayin’.
If you want some interesting, go to Tommy Douglas’
Thesis that he presented to McMaster University, it is enough to make even the most anti-gay sick – forced castration, segregation – its all there.
I think that Jack Laton should appoligize to ALL the “sub-humans” that Douglas mentioned in his thesis.
Lets hope the authorities do not discriminate against Ahenakew, the reporter and a sitting MLA over the spreading of hatred.
The MSM feeding frenzy is the most disgusting result of this sad distraction from the work of governing. Thank you Kate for your comments in today’s Ottawa Citizen as well as Adler’s. They address the real issue haunting politics in Saskatchewan and Canada.
please help me find the c nt comment
The MSM feeding frenzy is the most disgusting result of this sad distraction from the work of governing. Thank you Kate for your comments in today’s Ottawa Citizen as well as Adler’s. They address the real issue haunting politics in Saskatchewan and Canada.
The MSM feeding frenzy is the most disgusting result of this sad distraction from the work of governing. Thank you Kate for your comments in today’s Ottawa Citizen as well as Adler’s. They address the real issue haunting politics in Saskatchewan and Canada.
Google Canadian Cynic. I won’t link to it.
Well, Lukiwski shouldn’t have said anything about dirty fingernails, that WAS offensive. But about spreading disease, you mean to tell me they’re not?
Let me get this straight…if these two men had instead killed their young disabled little girls because they were feeling sorry for them selves…16 years ago, they would have been released 8 years ago because of the cries and sympathy and understanding of the same MSM that now condems them.
The MSN…one screwed up bunch.
In the early 80s Roy Romio…told off colored sexist jokes on a regular basis at public nomination meetings just north of the city. Completly unaware of the sensitivities of the evangelical support his party had at the time. That is when they began to loose some off their traditional base. To bad I didn’t tape it…I bet some body did!!
I don’t care who you are. Unless you are a phony wanker like Warren Kinsella or a flake from the NDP, there is no way the average man identifies with ALL of the various self described ‘victim groups’. Indians, orientals, blacks, gays, french, newfies – whoever – at least one of those groups will get on your nerves one way or another if you are an honest average person.
As far as I am concerned, if you are offending race whores like the NDP, you’re probably telling the truth in a way that they don’t like.
You guys in Sask. can be so proud of your MP after that apology in the House of Commons yesterday. I wish I could deliver a speech like that one. This was a private party years ago, and the tape should have never been shown to anyone.
Time to get private smears out of the HOC.
And how has Atkinson’s actions of spreading this video tape which may have never been ment to be seen affected the publics views of gays and lesbians today is the question to be asked.
It’s ironic when you consider that Lukwiski’s political career ended simultaneously with Robert Fife’s conservative “knuckledraggers hidden in the Harper caucus” remark.
Fife and Lloyd at CTV willwear that one as long as they remain in the yapping business.
They can no longer be trusted to be anything but yellow journalist conservative haters, just by reason of their snide comments and smirks.
It’s all on Youtube!
Lukiwski is less guilty of offending gay people as he is guilty of being stupid enough to allow that tape to fall into enemy hands.
In any case he should take the lumps and shut up. Groveling makes him look weak and wimpy .. like .. well a faggot.
First some leftard wanker goes digging through a private companies trash and finds blue prints for a building that isn’t going to be built and MSM media blasted Harper for this indescretion. Then we find out this scandle wasn’t a scandle ergo it turns out the trash digger was a leftard employeed by a leftard think tank who just happened to be digging in this companies trash. It’s a scandle alright, how low are the left willing to go to get a jump in the polls whilst digging through private individuals trash?
Now we have some guy in the early 90s calling gays faggots and MSM emplodes. For heavens sake in the early 90s gays were considered vile evil doers by a majority of Canadians. His words are no different that those of a million Canadians, we’ve all grown up now could someone tell that to the NDP please.
Attention SDAers, Global National news poll that needs to go horribly wrong. Poll will be active all weekend.
Poll: => globalnational.com
Do you think Conservative M.P. Tom Lukiwski should resign over his anti-gay comments?
This guy deserves to grovel on his knees, if for nothing else, being dumb, just not my idea of bright. Why didn’t he just say, yeh, things have sure changed since those days including myself and walked away. I guess if you can go back 20 years and condemn someone with a few drinks under his belt you can go back a little further and shit on someone that said things just as bad, sober, Tommy the Commie Douglas. Surely our world class worlds best Health Care System has the ability to resurrect him for an apology.
we’ve all grown up now could someone tell that to the NDP please.
Posted by: Rose at April 5, 2008 12:56 PM
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Don’t hold your breath, Rose. If there was ever a party that clings tenaciously to the past it’s the NDP.
Charles Adler and you are in the “same cage…” you say? Finally! Some good news at smalldeadanimals!!
This will all blow over in due time.The NDP will still be lagging behind the Greens nationally and 1/3 of the population will change the channel when Fife appears.The real problem is what is Duffy going to do without Fifes opinion 5 times an hour.
In considering the absolute glee with which this video was made public- I am presuming it was high fives all around. Even more glee when the dirt hit the fan in the Commons, I do imagine things though.
A very sage warning based on my own experiences here. Anyone who employs this type of “whistle blower”, had better be very, very careful. Given that nearly everyone makes some sort of gaffe and would rather it fade into oblivion, watch out if this type of person knows of the gaffe.
They have been warned.
And to think that we just gave these idiots a raise so ‘we can attract the best minds to politics’. I despise them all.
If this keeps up all we’ll have in the HOC or legislature are Garth Tuner type assholes. All the good men & women will say to hell with it.
I voted at the Global poll. It’s firmly on the side that Lukiwski should NOT resign. But the site is highlighting the Parlaimentary grovel. Damn MSM!
Thanks for the tip, jwkozak91 (even more difficult to type than Lukiwski!).
On the employment of such a person that made public the video. Whoops- my bad. I did the research that I should have done previously. I believe it is one Pat Atkinson, who is an NDP MLA.
Ah, “I can see clearly now” in the words of an old song. She is onto the public purse, come heaven, hell or high water, she will probably never have to work under supervision.
“This type of indignation is highly selective.”
Can’t disagree there.
But the Catholic Fascism of the young Trudeau or Tommy Douglas’ youthful Fabianism were overcome in their adult lives.
Lukiwski was already a Conservative elder.
And a shout-radio barker like Adler complaining about “dumbed-down” politics is a bit rich [to use a Harperism]
Imagine a video tape of any given night in 1991 (or any other year) at the Press Club in any city.
68%of polls says this tape is a temptest in a tea pot.Come on libs let have a federal election.I’ll bet you don’t have a pot to piss in when the smoke clears. A Conservative Canadian on the Right coast.
The left and their media may think they did the “moral” thing by releasing this video but in fact they accomplished the opposite.
The left has lowered the bar.
If they keep this up the conservatives will have no choice but to get down to the level of the left and dig for dirt on the left.
Politics in Canada will be more and more about how much dirt one can find about opponents and less and less about politic.
The left has just lowered the bar to fighting in the mud like pigs.
On the other hand, it just shows how the left is desperate.
The MSM’s Dumbing-Down of the news is the reason we have such blatant, misguided priorities in Canada today.
From the House Of Commons to the Justice system to Universities to Public Schools to The United Nations to extreme Political Correctness – our beloved Media has a hand in all the nonsense.
IMO, ‘The Love Of Money is the Root Of All Evil’ is no longer the biggy.
‘The Media Is The Root Of All Evil’ has overtaken.
Dumbing-Down the news leads to Doumbing-Down of opinion. How can it not ?
You should never apologize for manufactured outrage, and this is decidely manufactured outrage. Do the dippers and lieberals really want to be held accountable for everything that any supporter has said for the last sixteen years?
The culture in 1991 was very different from today, some might even say it was way better, people tended to voice their opinions freely especially when attending functions of like-minded individuals.
The popular culture was also different- one the better-selling CD’s of all time Dire Straits, Brothers in Arms, 1985 contains the song Money for Nothing with the following lyrics:
See the little faggot with the earrings and the makeup,
Yeah buddy thats his own hair,
That little faggot got his own jet airplane,
that little faggot he’s a millionaire
and everybody knew it and sang along, you remember it- I want my, I want my, I want my MTV. Very catchy.
Disgusting filth we would never participate in such language -yeah right!
Faggot is one of those PC code words, just like nigger or heaven forbid niggardly, where unless you have the lefty or race-based secret ring that makes any comment OK will be used as a club against anybody else. Yes I did say nigger, just like thousands of blacks do every day as they discourse amongst themselves and as the rap singers do every other second it seems.
Grow up, be an adult, if you don’t like somebody’s comments mark them down us uneducated and move on.
And Likuwski, take Kates advice just quit apologizing, Siksay accepted the apology in the house-thats enough.
Friend of USA said:”dig for dirt on the left,”.
Jeancula Chretien said: “That is to say, homophobia, as a form of
self-expression, is an okay thing in a free country;”
Flashback to Jeancula and Roseanne:
“SKOKE-ING THE FIRES OF ANTI-GAY SENTIMENT
By: Dalton Camp
From: The Toronto Star (Sunday, October 2, 1994)
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The Liberal Member of Parliament for Central Nova, Roseanne Skoke, has
declared her opposition to lesbians and gays being protected from
discrimination in the Human Rights Code. In her view, homosexuality is
immoral, un-Canadian, un-Christian and contrary to Canadian values.
Since Skoke’s opinion is contrary to the legislative intentions of the
Liberal government, the Prime Minister was pressed to comment, which he
did by making allowances. That is to say, homophobia, as a form of
self-expression, is an okay thing in a free country; besides, Jean
Chretien cannot assume responsibility for the views of all of his
supporters in the House, but only for a majority of them.
Implicit in the Prime Minister’s endorsement of free speech was the
possibility he may have disagreed with Skoke’s opinion. This is
reassuing, even though, it needs saying, he missed an opportunity to
remind the member for Central Nova of the importance of getting it right
before declaiming on what’s wrong. Skoke’s premise is that homosexuals
are demanding “special rights” in seeking protection against
discrimination in the Human Rights Code. She is wrong, and apparently
willfully so.
Skoke has consulted ehr constituency executive on the issue — the wrong
issue — asking its members if they approved of “special rights” for
gays and lesbians. Not surprisingly, the executive voted “No.” Janet
Rosenstock, a member of Skoke’s executive, has written to the press to
clarify the distinction between what the executive voted on and what the
legislation actually proposes, between “special rights” and human rights.”
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/world/americas/canada/rosanne-skoke.anti-gay-statement-10.02.94
I don’t know if even Kate can stomach the following perfectly germane comment, but I’ll try:
I think the following photojournalism piece is warranted to illustrate that there actually is some truth behind Mr. Lukiwski’s drunken rantings of long, long ago (but do pay attention to the warning page, as it’s definitely NOT work safe, nor safe to view if anyone’s around):
http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/
This link is proof positive that homosexuals are exempt from laws against indecency, offensiveness and obscenity. The only way for them to have been able to carry out such disgusting stuff would be for the San Francisco political powers-that-be to order the police to not enforce the law for these very special, fine, upstanding model citizens and role models for the small children who were actually there to see men with hard penises in each others’ mouths all over the place and so on.
Guaranteed that that behavior will spread some diseases. Any honest, non-ideological doctor will confirm this.
One cannot make this up. This is far more offensive than whatever Lukiwski said while intoxicated eons ago.
Why, if homosexuals want the People to consider them as “equals” and as being scrupulously clean and sane, would they go forth and behave this way? Why haven’t we heard denunciations from the homosexual community at large against the Folsom Street Fair, which, in addition to having absolute nudity and open fornication, also sold “Jesus butt plugs and dildoes” and other hateful-towards-religions apparati (but, interestingly, stayed away from offending Muslims)?
I didn’t make this up.
This is the perfect time to bring this up.
One must decide: What’s more offensive, Lukiwski’s drunken rantings of a previous epoch, or a recent dick-suck show in public in broad daylight by the very folks he was talking about?
Or perhaps the leftist government of San Francisco’s choice to allow it to happen and to order the police to not enforce the law?
Some “equality”.
And Lukiwski is the one being crucified.
“This type of indignation is highly selective.”
Well everything the left does is highly selective.
Blacks can be racist but whites can not be.
Feminists can bash men but men can not say one little semi-mean word about women.
Gays can walk around naked in our streets but a conservative can not have the photo of a woman in lingerie in his black berry.
Leftists can put a Christian symbol in urine and call it art but no one can even publish a cartoon about Islam.
Gays can say and do any offensive thing about the catholic religion, but no catholic is allowed to criticize homosexuals.
The CRTC said an emphatic yes to Al Jazerra but made Fox news fight for years before it could be watched in Canada.
Liberals let co2 go up by 33% despite signing Kyoto and the MSM gives them a pass, but merely for mentioning doubts about the effectiveness of Kyoto the MSM demonizes conservatives.
The MSM can call conservatives “knuckle draggers” on tv but conservatives can not say “fag” in private.
And so on and so forth.
“Highly selective indignation” does not begin to define the left.
on the up side,
I think the general public is beginning to see the uglyness behind the mask of the left and their media.
you don’t suppose for a minute, that the fact “she’s” lesbian herself(something the provincial media in SK has kept under wraps for 10 or more years) might be playing a part in all of this!
After seeing the entire video posted on the CBC web site it gives a good look at any party war room and deserves no apoligising whatsoever. The media and elected opposition parties have spun this to create hatred clearly. Charges I would expect to follow. This is more like it CBC, a full look at the tape in its full context. Linda also receives respect by a number of the bad actors in the tape.
The vote over at Global about whether or not Tom Lukiwski should resign because of his on-video comments 17 years ago, at 3:02 p.m. stood at:
YES 31.75%
NO 68.25%
I think it’s time for the MSM to STFU and, Mr. Lukiwski, for you to stop groveling and get on with governing our country.
Recognize, Mr. Lukiwski, that you’ve been framed, and that the insult to Canadians is less your views back then than the person or people who made the tape available to the NDP, the person or people in the NDP who made it available to the MSM, and the person or people in the MSM who made the decision to show the tape OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
Your groveling and apologizing over and over again is a fool’s game, your enemies want a pound of flesh and won’t be happy with that.
You’ve made a sincere apology, not put one foot in front of the other, and keep moving forward. The Canadian taxpayer deserves nothing less.
NOW put one foot in front of the other, and keep moving forward.
Pat Atkinson Sask NDP MLA is responsible for this witch-hunt. Anyone got video of Pat putting her foot in her mouth? She’s a career politician and I don’t think she is lily-white either. I think a clip on YouTube would be just desserts.
A man much wiser than me a long time ago, had an appropriate quote for this situation:
‘Let those among you without sin cast the first stone.’
Like Kate told the Ottawa Citizen, I also like my politicians less-than- perfect. Anything else is self-righteous sanctimony.