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Socialism: taking the “Great” out of Britain, one day at a time.
Ahh. The G & M shut the comments on multiculturalism because us weak-minded Canadians are not allowed to comment on such matters.
Is it me or is EVERY country in the West having problems with uncontrolled immigration? From America and Australia to England and Spain there are brewing problems with unchecked immigration. And since assimilation is racism, few feel compelled to fit into their new nation.
It is awful, but I am generally pro-legal immigration, but if one even questions multiculturalism one is labelled racist. Ughh.
OK, I’ll say it:
Is there something a bit… “off” about all these guys?
They all look like they’re auditioning for the role of Igor in a new Hammer horror film.
Sure, Mexico’s exporting its illiterate, obese, diabetic, low IQ, tubucular, criminal peasant class to the US, but who knew the Poles or whoever were doing the same to Britain?
Reading the comments it’s pretty obvious that Labour would lose among the native born Brits in a heartbeat if today’s Tories weren’t such deadbeats. They have failed to distinguish themselves as Thatcher conservatives and worse they’ve proposed some of the same lame pc multi-culti garbage that infects Britain.
This is more evidence that socialists/liberals have degraded, besides the economies, the culture and quality of life in every place they’ve been in power. France, Holland, Germany, Brussels, Scandinavia same issues, same stupid lefty policies for the past decade.
Now, do we need to see an actual study to tell us that UK immigrants tend to vote Labour as a form of quid pro quo, or are we intelligent enough to infer the super obvious? This one’s a test.
See also:
Labour’s favourite thinktank yesterday named the migrant groups which are a drain on the taxpayer.
Immigrants from Somalia, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Iran are most likely to be out of work and claiming state benefits, it said. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484927&in_page_id=1770
Canadian mmigration should not be open-ended. We must accept only those who can be comfortably accommodated by our infrastructure and are not hostile to our culture. Those who think we are generally infidels and should be killed must be excluded!!
When I read that piece about the unintended consequences of open door immigration policy I have a vision of a government completely manned by and array of Homer Simpsons.
The OOPs factor is astounding.
The problem is that this is real life and it doesn’t go away. Being a nice person doesn’t mean you are smart. Chances are you just another dopey Liberal full of good intentions … just the road to Hell is paved with.
This doesn’t bode well for any Western nation with near or fully open immigration, but few politicians be there who will weather the onslaught of the political correctness police, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who denounce any discussions about stemming immigration as motivated by racism or xenophobia.
Canada needs to have serious discussions about immigration policy lest we find ourselves too far down the rabbit hole to pull out. I fear we’re already beyond the point of no return.
It’s time for Canada to wake up to this issue. We should be “selective” about who is let into Canada. And, I say that as an immigrant myself.
Kathy,
I’ll do it before a socialist troll chimes in:
“Don’t you know there are no bad people in the world EXCEPT male, white, Christian, conservatives? RACIST!”
/LLL
Sask Immigration has committed to 5,000 immigrants per year. Immigration consultants are making a huge profit by using the SINP program. Business owners are signing job offer letters based on resumes translated in-house by consultants and now that the foreigners are arriving, we’ve realized that the workers don’t always match the resumes.
Bringing in truck drivers to Saskatchewan has been seen as a sucess story. A semi driver instructor tells me that training these people is a nightmare. They are reckless, discourteous and redefine roadrage.
We’ve had two semis fall over while taking a curve in the road in Saskatoon in the past year. I would really like to know if the accident rate of the immigrant truckers is being tracked.
Mark Peters is right. We have to stem immigration.
kdl:
We’ve had two semis fall over while taking a curve in the road in Saskatoon in the past year.
Where are there curves in the road in Saskatchewan?
Doug – Where are there curves in the road in Saskatchewan?
Elbow?
Oh I know Doug, 🙂 but the word “racist” doesn’t mean anything anymore anyhow, thanks to its overuse by the very people who rely upon it most.
At the end of the day, I’d rather be a white, Christian, conservative “racist” than a naive, bleeding heart, socialist moron who wants to steal my money and give it to undeserving losers.
I can live with their pseudo-insults — but leave my money alone!
Perhaps this is less a matter of Tony Blair’s nanny state Britain and more a matter of EU migrant worker planning to drive down national sovereignty and accept EU intervention in welfare funding of member nations.
“Where are there curves in the road in Saskatchewan?”
I remember one on the highway between Weyburn and Regina. Used to wake me right up! Thrills, chills, and back to sleep….
Yea, cut off muslim contries right away, stem Eastern Europe, increase quotas for displaced African farmers – the problem solves itself.
We can whine all we want about immigration, there is no way the government will “shut the borders” as some want. Nor will they selectively exclude some countries (like Somalia, Pakistan, and all the other places likely to breed future Jihadis).
We have to push for realistic change. Some of the most obvious things are:
1) family reunification, which is a gateway fOr HUGE numbers of unskilled, often medically unwell, individuals who are guaranteed to burden the system and provide nothing in return. This must be drastically curtailled.
2) social and welfare benefits to new arrival are excessive. Someone coming here as an immigrant is NOT entitled to the same societal benefits as those who have lived and contributed.
3) refugees…. where to start… The world is a pisspot. We have made a good place for ourselves here. We were lucky to be born or come here. Fine. Whatever. That does not mean we have to ruin ourselves to accept every tragic case that crosses our door. The incredible amounts of money we spent on refugees, if spent on the same people IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY, would probably benefit far more.
4) reduction in immigrant+ refugee numbers to lower levels, with a reassessment in 5 years. I propose 150,000 annually, combined.
Finally, because of our entanglement in Afghanistan, which I in principle support, I fear that we are going to get sucked into accepting far too many Afghans when the s**t hits the fan there, which it will inevitably. That needs to be pre-empted with a policy that Afghanistan does NOT get special treatment with regard to refugee+immigrations.
Bear in mind that whatever policies are implemented, the lower and middle level of governemnt employees are vastly over-represented by visible minorities who are likely to take a dim view of such policies, and likely fight them passively or actively. Good luck to us.
I have thick skin and don’t care what idiots say about me. I am a racist and I blame multiculturalism for it.
I won’t hire coloured people, I won’t give them my business and I won’t apologize for it. I have been on the wrong side of ‘affirmative action’ and ‘positive discrimination’ a few too many times, you tell me who the fuggin racist is.
Canada is making the same mistakes Britain is and I refuse to be part of it.
What are these liberal idiots thinking? Bring dissimilar people in and pretend they are going to get along? FFS. People go TO WAR because they are different. Political correctness isn’t going to change that.
The real target of our animosity should be the smarmy group that makes all of this possible, i.e., our politicians.
For my sins I’ve been up close and personal with some members of this disparaged group. I can assure you that in the majority of cases the average politician is animated neither by idealism nor by values, but by blind ambition.
Let’s face it. We really elect these people to work very hard at protecting us and our interests. But as soon as they are in office, suddenly those issues move to the back burner.
I have participated in the utterly massive effort to stem the tide of illegal aliens into the United States, and happily we have won a few battles.
But the sheer amount of incalculable effort and tens of millions of people working in concert that it has taken demonstrates the enormous obstacles to persuading politicians to do anything.
My recommendation to Canadians would be to try to get an elected Senate and more offices that the people can directly threaten. Because that is virtually the only reason that we have had any success in the US. If we weren’t literally able to threaten these SOBs, they would permanently interface with their running-dog lackeys in the MSM and happily turn us all into soylent green.
We are a country of immigrants, but the economic performance of people moving here has declined significantly in the past 20 years. Canada needs to implement the Australian model to avoid having immigrants become a burden on society. Language proficiency is particularly important.
When we came here as immigrants there were no social systems that shoved a soother in our mouths. We had to get to work, damn hard work, or starve. This is what needs to change.
WHY WOMEN DIG IMMIGRATION:
6.1 Overview of Key Immigration Statistics by Gender
Of the 235,824 new permanent residents admitted to Canada in 2004, 51.6% (121,668) were female and 48.4% (114,155) were male. Overall, these figures would seem to indicate that the distribution between the sexes is reasonably equitable. However, a closer look at Table 11 reveals that there are proportionately more women than men in the family class, but more men than women in the economic class. The proportions in the protected persons category are quite close.
In the family class, females comprised 61.9% (38,533) of newcomers, while males represented 38.1% (23,712). Among the protected persons landed in 2004, 48.1% (15,707) were female and 51.9% (16,978) were male.
With respect to the economic class (which includes dependants as well as principal applicants), the total figures seem to indicate a fairly equal balance between the two genders: 47.6% (63,673) were female and 52.4% (70,073) were male. Nevertheless, as Table 12 shows, when these figures are broken down into principal applicants and dependants, a gender imbalance becomes evident. The great majority of the principal applicants (69.6%) were male, while the majority of spouses and dependants were female (59.7%). http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/resources/publications/annual-report2005/section6.asp
Free money spoils the people, plain and simple. If I can work with my English as a 2nd language, low intelligence, inherent laziness and bad temper, than I think anyone can work and make a living.
The economics are quite simple.
A country can have immigration OR a country can have welfare,but it cannot have both.
(BTW I am playing the “Jose@ 6:30PM / lberia@ 9:00PM” quinella in the “You’re Raaaacist!” pool for this thread.)
Sorry Jim, I can’t share those sentiments.
I would hire people regardless of race, as long as they demonstrate equal competence and qualification.
In all my years hiring various tradespeople to do work at my place (home and work) the two who ripped me off, or did ths shoddiest work, the most were white Canadians of Anglo descent. The best worker I have ever seen was Vietnamese.
The fact that others practice reverse discrimination does not justify me discriminating as a form of revenge. Not to mention I am shooting myself in the foot by potentially not hiring the best person.
Where race and religion start to make me uneasy is when people start to make special demands or expect special treatment due to these. If I smell that coming, I run for the hills. However, that has not been an issue so far. The only issue I have had with “special demands” have been maternity leaves, which absolutely disrupt the operation of the workplace.
I have in fact hired about 15 people in the last decade or so at my operation, as permanent staff (not trades). They were of multiple races, for various jobs. They have spanned all religions and non-religions, all races, and several were mixed race. I can come to no generalizations about intelligence, work ethic, or reliability. Small sample, but enough to prove to me the folly of a stand such as yours.
Well said, Lori. That has been my experience as well.
LMAO. Look the G&M has given up on multiculturalism.
Look at the new poll….
Now we are polling on the father of multiculturalism – should Turdeau have a holiday named after him?
Personlly I think he should… we can call it Turd Day.
“In all my years hiring various tradespeople to do work at my place (home and work) the two who ripped me off, or did ths shoddiest work, the most were white Canadians of Anglo descent.”
and then:
“I can come to no generalizations about intelligence, work ethic, or reliability.”
Unless they are white men, eh? I am so out of this country…
“What are these liberal idiots thinking? Bring dissimilar people in and pretend they are going to get along?”
Well, not when there are assholes like you running around they’re not.
“I’ll do it before a socialist troll chimes in: “Don’t you know there are no bad people in the world EXCEPT male, white, Christian, conservatives? RACIST!”
No. There are plenty of wacked out retards of colour too. They’re just as stupid, bigoted and prone to violence as folks like you guys, and yeah… I say kick em out when they commit crimes. Most people on the left would agree.
Remember, people like me merely seem leftist to you, because you are so far to the right. You are what is called a “rightwing extremist”.
Remember, people like me merely seem leftist to you, because you are so far to the right. You are what is called a “rightwing extremist”.
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Indeed, that has been the problem of the “rational right” in finding its voice. The podium keeps getting hijacked by the “ranting right”, or we are successfully framed as the “ranting right” by the leftards and the MSM monkeys.
We have to get past that.
That article linked by Cal2 is worth reading. Here’s the link again. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484927&in_page_id=1770
What a ringing indictment of the “benefits” of refugee claimants and family unification to the country that takes them.
For example: “In some cases, these relatively lowranking communities are predominantly made up of people who have come to the UK for non-economic reasons, for example to join family members who are already in the UK or to seek asylum.
“These communities may be made up of large numbers of people whose admission into the UK is not based on their potential economic contribution to the UK.”
Seriously, family unification is a HUGE source of exactly the type of immigrants we do NOT want to come here. Something should be done here as the first priority.
The other thing that stands out is the stunningly horrible stats on Somali immigrants. 81% not working! 80% in social housing! They are far and away the leaders in the “useless immigrant” category. And Canada is taking in HUGE number of these people. This will become a big ugly social disaster, 100% certain.
I guess what we do get from these people is the wonderful Khalid Mosque . 🙁
Aaaarrrrghh!
Vote BNP, keep Britain British, deport all criminal immigrants. Nick Griffin for PM. Gordon Brown and David Cameron are traitors pure and simple.
Oh yeah, stop Muslim immigration now, everywhere.
Kathy,
Those people don’t look Polish. Anyways, most of the Poles who come over here are young, well educated twenty-somethings. A lot of brits are really upset by it all, but I rather like them.
They are polite, friendly, and hardworking, and the girls are easy on the eye!
The only real problems they seem to cause is that when fishing, they don’t catch and release, but catch and roast, and they think drinking and driving is socially acceptable (hmmm, kinda like Saskatchewan).
Lori writes at 1:15: “2) social and welfare benefits to new arrival are excessive. Someone coming here as an immigrant is NOT entitled to the same societal benefits as those who have lived and contributed.”
I completely agree.
Unfortunately, feminist, Supreme Court of Canada Justice Bertha Wilson, a pioneering activist, wrote a judgement–I can’t find it via Google–giving virtually full citizens’ rights to anyone whose foot touches Canadian soil. (Maybe Ted, who, at his blog, Cerberus, wrote a fulsome tribute to Wilson on her death, in May of this year, could provide the name of the judgement for us.)
Canadians have been altogether remiss in allowing their judges to grab so much power via the Charter. In fact, most Canadians couldn’t string together an intelligible sentence about the Charter and its ramifications, e.g., most would say they think it’s a wonderful document. Why? Because the words “rights and freedoms” are attached. Could they say how and to whom such rights have been extended, and, more importantly, whose rights and freedoms have been dramatically curtailed by the Charter? No.
Unless some Canadian government is willing to use the notwithstanding clause–Section 33 of the Charter–to curb the more egregious wrongs of this pernicious document, there’s no way Canadians can be liberated from its excesses: in this case, the excessive rights non citizens have in this country–for which the taxpayer is on the hook.
Check out the debit column at the top of this thread: I believe the amount of $$ Canadian citizens are paying for the upkeep (welfare), education, health care, etc., and legal challenges (not to mention police, social workers, criminal prosecutions and jail) for non Canadians would be comparable. (These people have more services paid for–rent, food, clothing, translation, legal bills, etc. and rights [minority ones]–than Canadian citizens, who pay, and pay, and pay . . . the taxes, can claim.)
If it’s racist to mention these facts, I guess I’m a racist.
Maybe, before those non citizens, who take from the system, either without giving back or taking far less than they give, are in the majority, Canadian citizens will pay attention to what’s going on and reclaim their country. (Not voting Liberal would be a fine start.) At the moment, most “I’m OK, so you’re OK” Canadians are sleepwalkers in what’s fast becoming a nightmare.
Kyrie eleison.
After reading that “The Globe and Mail reported that the Conservative Party has created an “ethnic outreach team” overseen by Mr. Kenney and Mr. Harper. According to an internal party document obtained by The Globe, the team targets specific ethnic voters in a bid to “replace the Liberals as the primary voice of new Canadians and ethnic minorities.” I was moved to write the following to all Conservative MP’s. I hope other conservatives will do likewise.
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Dear Prime Minister Harper and Conservative Members of Parliament;
I have been an ardent, card carrying supporter of the ‘Conservative Party of Canada’ for some years both financially, and working at the constituency level. However, I have ceased supporting the party financially and I am disinclined to work on your behalf for the next election.
The Conservative party has largely moved to the centre left and while you may perceive this to be politically astute, it will prove disastrous for the long term prospects of Canada as a nation. We elected you to lead Canadians, not to constantly sniff the winds of political opportunity, following the conventional wisdom of a left of centre central Canada and the media. Pandering for votes, especially those of ethnic minorities was always the purview of the Liberal Party, but it seems apparent that my party has now adopted their strategies.
I’m longing for a John Howard in Canadian politics and in casting my vote, I had believed that you, Prime Minister, were that man. Now I am sorely disappointed.
That multiculturalism is a dismal failure cannot be denied. We have hyphenated ourselves into a nation of ethnic nationalism with the result being division and a lack of connection and loyalty to the country. Witness the fact that the majority of ‘Lebanese-Canadians’ rescued from their war torn nation simply used Canada as a temporary refuge before returning to their ‘real’ home. Or in using a British example, I note how many British born Muslims claim they are not even ‘British-Muslims’ but rather “Muslims living in Britain”. Canadian residents, whether born here or arriving from distant lands, must have Canada as their first identity and first loyalty – not as a simple adjunct to whatever their national/political/ethnic affiliations might be.
We have enough division in Canada, yet we constantly promote further division and strife (Caledonia, anyone?) through the promotion of subsets of Canadianism.
I have often thought we are living in a bizarre, upside down world of strife between fundamentalists and western democracy. And now I find my own party and my own Prime Minister promoting policies that contribute to that same strange and convoluted program. I am disheartened and saddened that you have foregone the principals espoused earlier in your career, in order to further your political goals today. Conservative Party or Liberal Party. Does it really matter anymore?
no guff, I so hear you. But I’m torn.
Given the political and, sadly, psychological and intellectual, landscape of this now sorry country, I believe that PMSH and the CPC have to make some strategic moves, for the time being.
I believe, as Ted Byfield has said, politics is the art of the possible. In order for the Conservatives to gain a majority by the VOTERS, who are, generally, ill educated and easily swayed by the propaganda of the MSM, moving forward incrementally may be what’s needed. On the other hand, you may be right.
So, though I altogether agree with where you stand, I’m not sure your tactics will be what’s needed. Again, I could be quite wrong.
As I said, I’m torn.
No Guff — Think about it for a minute, to be truly conservative you need a majority. A lot of the crap coming from Harper is nothing but window dressing for the fence sitters. Go back and do your thing and if he pulls a Mulroney we can all cut his so called conservative throat at the next election.
I do get a smile out of in reading these posts and the infantile blame game being played by many of commentators. If we have a multicultural problem or an immigration problem it is the result of our own doing. We have a certain expectation of affluence that can only be sustained if we have a growing population. Stagnant or shrinking populations will, of necessity, cause lowered living standards. If everyone owns a house my job as a house builder becomes redundant. Yes there may be some owners renovating and even trading up or down in home ownership but the new house market will shrink dramatically. The same can be said of any hard good or service. A market economy needs a buyer and a seller to function. When the population is shrinking the market shrinks with less wealth being generated or retained. Faced with this reality the ‘government has been forced to open the doors to immigrants. The immigrants by sheer number are becoming the dominant culture. This is not the immigrants fault. It is our fault. We decided back in the sixty’s and seventy’s that women should not have babies they should become CEOs, doctors, lawyers or any other type of worker. Feminism, the pill and the allure of, albit short term, prosperity are a few of the contributing factors that made child rearing unattractive to our society. Instead of looking long term to the number of cars we will sell to the generation following we focus on the present consumer. If the family has more money the family wouldn’t have one car it could have two cars. The family ccan have all the newest appliances and the biggest houses especially if we lend them the money. Once the family is in debt both partners in the couple relationship are forced to work outside the home. The circle begins to draw tighter and in order to maintain ‘lifestyle’ children become a disposable option. Our birth rate has fallen well below replacement levels and we have to import people or go broke. In other words if you don’t like immigration look in the mirror and ask the person you see there, “Have you sired or given birth to enough children to both replace you and increase the wealth of the nation.
After all, “A nation’s only real asset is its next generation”.
stop all immigration until we know where the current crop of illegals are. then pass a law that says if you come here and don’t assimilate then you get sent back to where you came from. then invoke the not withstanding clause and tell the supreme court to piss off.
Joe, I’m altogether with you on the shortsightedness and greed factor going on. However, I believe that the immigration problem we have doesn’t quite fit your scenario: in fact, it adds quite significantly to the debt factor for hard working Canadians who must foot the bill for non citizens, who may have lots of children, but no intention of fitting in or giving back.
So, in their own way, this kind of person, while fitting your requirement of having lots of kids, also fits the profile of shortsightedness and greed: take what I can from the host country on my own terms (which, BTW, often means take but not give.)
And our governments and courts, which are definitely shortsighted, have really sold Canadian citizens down the river. The Liberals have brought in many unsuitable immigrants by buying their votes, and the courts sell us short by endowing these non citizens, not only with rights that the rest of us get—and pay for (e.g., education, health care)—but with added rights that many Canadian citizens don’t have: government paid clothing, shelter, food, legal services, and minority protections, e.g., can we criticize certain Canadian groups with impunity (Christians?), while being compelled—unless we want a Human Rights Commission claim against us—to keep our opinions to ourselves about others (Muslims?)?
The quite unjust inversion here is very damaging to the fabric of society, as are the problems you’ve outlined. However, the kind of immigration the Liberals and liberal, activist courts have encouraged will not improve the serious situation you’ve described. In fact, IMO, this kind of immigration will simply exacerbate the problem you’ve identified, as well as many others.
Lookout
I fully agree with you on the mistakes made by our government and the increases in debt and taxes resulting from such policy. My only point was if we as a nation would haxe kept up our birthrate we wouldn’t need immigrants and those who did come would be much more likely to assimilate because they would be such a minority.
Re: the ethnic outreach team article. Is the Globe and Mails ‘source’ accurate? I’m skeptical of many G&M journalists reporting on the Harper government – G&M is certainly biased on many accounts.
That being said, we conservatives are the first to turn on each other – unlike Liberals, who will stick together through thick and Adscam!!! I’m with Western Canadian – if Harper proves to be a bum then we’ll vote him out. Until then, he’s the best and brightest hope we’ve had in a long time.
Joe, I understand what you’re saying. I even agree, but I think it’s not too relevant to this thread, that’s all!
Ingrid, I altogether agree! And, though I have sympathy for no guff’s feelings, I think the logic’s no-win.
Joe said: “If we have a multicultural problem or an immigration problem it is the result of our own doing.”
Absolutely right, Joe. Couldn’t agree more. However, the early ‘west’ needed immigrants as well and they came by the 10’s of thousands from England, Ireland, China,Japan, Poland and scores of other nations. And for the most part they’re ‘just Canadians’ today – strong contributors to the fabric of the nation.
Today, we attract too many of the wrong kind of immigrant because of our lax and indulgent immigration laws and social safety net.
And don’t think I’m just picking on new immigrants either. I have acquaintances who have been in Canada for thirty or more years, two of them teachers now collecting Canadian pensions, who have never bothered to become Canadian citizens.
Should not happen. With rights and priviledges come basic responsibilities.
And in england where pigs are outlaws offending minorities is a federal crime and crinimals can rob anyone without fear of being shot or molested
“Is there something a bit… “off” about all these guys?”
I concur with Kathy
Socialism: taking the “Great” out of Britain, one day at a time.
Ahh. The G & M shut the comments on multiculturalism because us weak-minded Canadians are not allowed to comment on such matters.
Is it me or is EVERY country in the West having problems with uncontrolled immigration? From America and Australia to England and Spain there are brewing problems with unchecked immigration. And since assimilation is racism, few feel compelled to fit into their new nation.
It is awful, but I am generally pro-legal immigration, but if one even questions multiculturalism one is labelled racist. Ughh.
OK, I’ll say it:
Is there something a bit… “off” about all these guys?
They all look like they’re auditioning for the role of Igor in a new Hammer horror film.
Sure, Mexico’s exporting its illiterate, obese, diabetic, low IQ, tubucular, criminal peasant class to the US, but who knew the Poles or whoever were doing the same to Britain?
Reading the comments it’s pretty obvious that Labour would lose among the native born Brits in a heartbeat if today’s Tories weren’t such deadbeats. They have failed to distinguish themselves as Thatcher conservatives and worse they’ve proposed some of the same lame pc multi-culti garbage that infects Britain.
This is more evidence that socialists/liberals have degraded, besides the economies, the culture and quality of life in every place they’ve been in power. France, Holland, Germany, Brussels, Scandinavia same issues, same stupid lefty policies for the past decade.
Now, do we need to see an actual study to tell us that UK immigrants tend to vote Labour as a form of quid pro quo, or are we intelligent enough to infer the super obvious? This one’s a test.
See also:
Labour’s favourite thinktank yesterday named the migrant groups which are a drain on the taxpayer.
Immigrants from Somalia, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Iran are most likely to be out of work and claiming state benefits, it said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484927&in_page_id=1770
Canadian mmigration should not be open-ended. We must accept only those who can be comfortably accommodated by our infrastructure and are not hostile to our culture. Those who think we are generally infidels and should be killed must be excluded!!
When I read that piece about the unintended consequences of open door immigration policy I have a vision of a government completely manned by and array of Homer Simpsons.
The OOPs factor is astounding.
The problem is that this is real life and it doesn’t go away. Being a nice person doesn’t mean you are smart. Chances are you just another dopey Liberal full of good intentions … just the road to Hell is paved with.
This doesn’t bode well for any Western nation with near or fully open immigration, but few politicians be there who will weather the onslaught of the political correctness police, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who denounce any discussions about stemming immigration as motivated by racism or xenophobia.
Canada needs to have serious discussions about immigration policy lest we find ourselves too far down the rabbit hole to pull out. I fear we’re already beyond the point of no return.
It’s time for Canada to wake up to this issue. We should be “selective” about who is let into Canada. And, I say that as an immigrant myself.
I’ll bet the canadian stats are similar except that Canadians would be higher on the social assistance category, and huge if you broke out newfoundlanders and the maritimes and quebec as separate categories.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484927&in_page_id=1770
Kathy,
I’ll do it before a socialist troll chimes in:
“Don’t you know there are no bad people in the world EXCEPT male, white, Christian, conservatives? RACIST!”
/LLL
Sask Immigration has committed to 5,000 immigrants per year. Immigration consultants are making a huge profit by using the SINP program. Business owners are signing job offer letters based on resumes translated in-house by consultants and now that the foreigners are arriving, we’ve realized that the workers don’t always match the resumes.
Bringing in truck drivers to Saskatchewan has been seen as a sucess story. A semi driver instructor tells me that training these people is a nightmare. They are reckless, discourteous and redefine roadrage.
We’ve had two semis fall over while taking a curve in the road in Saskatoon in the past year. I would really like to know if the accident rate of the immigrant truckers is being tracked.
Mark Peters is right. We have to stem immigration.
kdl:
Where are there curves in the road in Saskatchewan?
Doug – Where are there curves in the road in Saskatchewan?
Elbow?
Oh I know Doug, 🙂 but the word “racist” doesn’t mean anything anymore anyhow, thanks to its overuse by the very people who rely upon it most.
At the end of the day, I’d rather be a white, Christian, conservative “racist” than a naive, bleeding heart, socialist moron who wants to steal my money and give it to undeserving losers.
I can live with their pseudo-insults — but leave my money alone!
Perhaps this is less a matter of Tony Blair’s nanny state Britain and more a matter of EU migrant worker planning to drive down national sovereignty and accept EU intervention in welfare funding of member nations.
“Where are there curves in the road in Saskatchewan?”
I remember one on the highway between Weyburn and Regina. Used to wake me right up! Thrills, chills, and back to sleep….
Yea, cut off muslim contries right away, stem Eastern Europe, increase quotas for displaced African farmers – the problem solves itself.
We can whine all we want about immigration, there is no way the government will “shut the borders” as some want. Nor will they selectively exclude some countries (like Somalia, Pakistan, and all the other places likely to breed future Jihadis).
We have to push for realistic change. Some of the most obvious things are:
1) family reunification, which is a gateway fOr HUGE numbers of unskilled, often medically unwell, individuals who are guaranteed to burden the system and provide nothing in return. This must be drastically curtailled.
2) social and welfare benefits to new arrival are excessive. Someone coming here as an immigrant is NOT entitled to the same societal benefits as those who have lived and contributed.
3) refugees…. where to start… The world is a pisspot. We have made a good place for ourselves here. We were lucky to be born or come here. Fine. Whatever. That does not mean we have to ruin ourselves to accept every tragic case that crosses our door. The incredible amounts of money we spent on refugees, if spent on the same people IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY, would probably benefit far more.
4) reduction in immigrant+ refugee numbers to lower levels, with a reassessment in 5 years. I propose 150,000 annually, combined.
Finally, because of our entanglement in Afghanistan, which I in principle support, I fear that we are going to get sucked into accepting far too many Afghans when the s**t hits the fan there, which it will inevitably. That needs to be pre-empted with a policy that Afghanistan does NOT get special treatment with regard to refugee+immigrations.
Bear in mind that whatever policies are implemented, the lower and middle level of governemnt employees are vastly over-represented by visible minorities who are likely to take a dim view of such policies, and likely fight them passively or actively. Good luck to us.
I have thick skin and don’t care what idiots say about me. I am a racist and I blame multiculturalism for it.
I won’t hire coloured people, I won’t give them my business and I won’t apologize for it. I have been on the wrong side of ‘affirmative action’ and ‘positive discrimination’ a few too many times, you tell me who the fuggin racist is.
Canada is making the same mistakes Britain is and I refuse to be part of it.
What are these liberal idiots thinking? Bring dissimilar people in and pretend they are going to get along? FFS. People go TO WAR because they are different. Political correctness isn’t going to change that.
The real target of our animosity should be the smarmy group that makes all of this possible, i.e., our politicians.
For my sins I’ve been up close and personal with some members of this disparaged group. I can assure you that in the majority of cases the average politician is animated neither by idealism nor by values, but by blind ambition.
Let’s face it. We really elect these people to work very hard at protecting us and our interests. But as soon as they are in office, suddenly those issues move to the back burner.
I have participated in the utterly massive effort to stem the tide of illegal aliens into the United States, and happily we have won a few battles.
But the sheer amount of incalculable effort and tens of millions of people working in concert that it has taken demonstrates the enormous obstacles to persuading politicians to do anything.
My recommendation to Canadians would be to try to get an elected Senate and more offices that the people can directly threaten. Because that is virtually the only reason that we have had any success in the US. If we weren’t literally able to threaten these SOBs, they would permanently interface with their running-dog lackeys in the MSM and happily turn us all into soylent green.
We are a country of immigrants, but the economic performance of people moving here has declined significantly in the past 20 years. Canada needs to implement the Australian model to avoid having immigrants become a burden on society. Language proficiency is particularly important.
When we came here as immigrants there were no social systems that shoved a soother in our mouths. We had to get to work, damn hard work, or starve. This is what needs to change.
WHY WOMEN DIG IMMIGRATION:
6.1 Overview of Key Immigration Statistics by Gender
Of the 235,824 new permanent residents admitted to Canada in 2004, 51.6% (121,668) were female and 48.4% (114,155) were male. Overall, these figures would seem to indicate that the distribution between the sexes is reasonably equitable. However, a closer look at Table 11 reveals that there are proportionately more women than men in the family class, but more men than women in the economic class. The proportions in the protected persons category are quite close.
In the family class, females comprised 61.9% (38,533) of newcomers, while males represented 38.1% (23,712). Among the protected persons landed in 2004, 48.1% (15,707) were female and 51.9% (16,978) were male.
With respect to the economic class (which includes dependants as well as principal applicants), the total figures seem to indicate a fairly equal balance between the two genders: 47.6% (63,673) were female and 52.4% (70,073) were male. Nevertheless, as Table 12 shows, when these figures are broken down into principal applicants and dependants, a gender imbalance becomes evident. The great majority of the principal applicants (69.6%) were male, while the majority of spouses and dependants were female (59.7%).
http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/resources/publications/annual-report2005/section6.asp
Free money spoils the people, plain and simple. If I can work with my English as a 2nd language, low intelligence, inherent laziness and bad temper, than I think anyone can work and make a living.
The economics are quite simple.
A country can have immigration OR a country can have welfare,but it cannot have both.
(BTW I am playing the “Jose@ 6:30PM / lberia@ 9:00PM” quinella in the “You’re Raaaacist!” pool for this thread.)
Sorry Jim, I can’t share those sentiments.
I would hire people regardless of race, as long as they demonstrate equal competence and qualification.
In all my years hiring various tradespeople to do work at my place (home and work) the two who ripped me off, or did ths shoddiest work, the most were white Canadians of Anglo descent. The best worker I have ever seen was Vietnamese.
The fact that others practice reverse discrimination does not justify me discriminating as a form of revenge. Not to mention I am shooting myself in the foot by potentially not hiring the best person.
Where race and religion start to make me uneasy is when people start to make special demands or expect special treatment due to these. If I smell that coming, I run for the hills. However, that has not been an issue so far. The only issue I have had with “special demands” have been maternity leaves, which absolutely disrupt the operation of the workplace.
I have in fact hired about 15 people in the last decade or so at my operation, as permanent staff (not trades). They were of multiple races, for various jobs. They have spanned all religions and non-religions, all races, and several were mixed race. I can come to no generalizations about intelligence, work ethic, or reliability. Small sample, but enough to prove to me the folly of a stand such as yours.
Well said, Lori. That has been my experience as well.
LMAO. Look the G&M has given up on multiculturalism.
Look at the new poll….
Now we are polling on the father of multiculturalism – should Turdeau have a holiday named after him?
Personlly I think he should… we can call it Turd Day.
“In all my years hiring various tradespeople to do work at my place (home and work) the two who ripped me off, or did ths shoddiest work, the most were white Canadians of Anglo descent.”
and then:
“I can come to no generalizations about intelligence, work ethic, or reliability.”
Unless they are white men, eh? I am so out of this country…
“What are these liberal idiots thinking? Bring dissimilar people in and pretend they are going to get along?”
Well, not when there are assholes like you running around they’re not.
“I’ll do it before a socialist troll chimes in: “Don’t you know there are no bad people in the world EXCEPT male, white, Christian, conservatives? RACIST!”
No. There are plenty of wacked out retards of colour too. They’re just as stupid, bigoted and prone to violence as folks like you guys, and yeah… I say kick em out when they commit crimes. Most people on the left would agree.
Remember, people like me merely seem leftist to you, because you are so far to the right. You are what is called a “rightwing extremist”.
Remember, people like me merely seem leftist to you, because you are so far to the right. You are what is called a “rightwing extremist”.
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Indeed, that has been the problem of the “rational right” in finding its voice. The podium keeps getting hijacked by the “ranting right”, or we are successfully framed as the “ranting right” by the leftards and the MSM monkeys.
We have to get past that.
That article linked by Cal2 is worth reading. Here’s the link again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484927&in_page_id=1770
What a ringing indictment of the “benefits” of refugee claimants and family unification to the country that takes them.
For example: “In some cases, these relatively lowranking communities are predominantly made up of people who have come to the UK for non-economic reasons, for example to join family members who are already in the UK or to seek asylum.
“These communities may be made up of large numbers of people whose admission into the UK is not based on their potential economic contribution to the UK.”
Seriously, family unification is a HUGE source of exactly the type of immigrants we do NOT want to come here. Something should be done here as the first priority.
The other thing that stands out is the stunningly horrible stats on Somali immigrants. 81% not working! 80% in social housing! They are far and away the leaders in the “useless immigrant” category. And Canada is taking in HUGE number of these people. This will become a big ugly social disaster, 100% certain.
I guess what we do get from these people is the wonderful Khalid Mosque . 🙁
Aaaarrrrghh!
Fraser Institute study on this subject:
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/COMMERCE.WEB/product_files/Immigration.pdf
Vote BNP, keep Britain British, deport all criminal immigrants. Nick Griffin for PM. Gordon Brown and David Cameron are traitors pure and simple.
Oh yeah, stop Muslim immigration now, everywhere.
Kathy,
Those people don’t look Polish. Anyways, most of the Poles who come over here are young, well educated twenty-somethings. A lot of brits are really upset by it all, but I rather like them.
They are polite, friendly, and hardworking, and the girls are easy on the eye!
The only real problems they seem to cause is that when fishing, they don’t catch and release, but catch and roast, and they think drinking and driving is socially acceptable (hmmm, kinda like Saskatchewan).
Lori writes at 1:15: “2) social and welfare benefits to new arrival are excessive. Someone coming here as an immigrant is NOT entitled to the same societal benefits as those who have lived and contributed.”
I completely agree.
Unfortunately, feminist, Supreme Court of Canada Justice Bertha Wilson, a pioneering activist, wrote a judgement–I can’t find it via Google–giving virtually full citizens’ rights to anyone whose foot touches Canadian soil. (Maybe Ted, who, at his blog, Cerberus, wrote a fulsome tribute to Wilson on her death, in May of this year, could provide the name of the judgement for us.)
Canadians have been altogether remiss in allowing their judges to grab so much power via the Charter. In fact, most Canadians couldn’t string together an intelligible sentence about the Charter and its ramifications, e.g., most would say they think it’s a wonderful document. Why? Because the words “rights and freedoms” are attached. Could they say how and to whom such rights have been extended, and, more importantly, whose rights and freedoms have been dramatically curtailed by the Charter? No.
Unless some Canadian government is willing to use the notwithstanding clause–Section 33 of the Charter–to curb the more egregious wrongs of this pernicious document, there’s no way Canadians can be liberated from its excesses: in this case, the excessive rights non citizens have in this country–for which the taxpayer is on the hook.
Check out the debit column at the top of this thread: I believe the amount of $$ Canadian citizens are paying for the upkeep (welfare), education, health care, etc., and legal challenges (not to mention police, social workers, criminal prosecutions and jail) for non Canadians would be comparable. (These people have more services paid for–rent, food, clothing, translation, legal bills, etc. and rights [minority ones]–than Canadian citizens, who pay, and pay, and pay . . . the taxes, can claim.)
If it’s racist to mention these facts, I guess I’m a racist.
Maybe, before those non citizens, who take from the system, either without giving back or taking far less than they give, are in the majority, Canadian citizens will pay attention to what’s going on and reclaim their country. (Not voting Liberal would be a fine start.) At the moment, most “I’m OK, so you’re OK” Canadians are sleepwalkers in what’s fast becoming a nightmare.
Kyrie eleison.
After reading that “The Globe and Mail reported that the Conservative Party has created an “ethnic outreach team” overseen by Mr. Kenney and Mr. Harper. According to an internal party document obtained by The Globe, the team targets specific ethnic voters in a bid to “replace the Liberals as the primary voice of new Canadians and ethnic minorities.” I was moved to write the following to all Conservative MP’s. I hope other conservatives will do likewise.
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Dear Prime Minister Harper and Conservative Members of Parliament;
I have been an ardent, card carrying supporter of the ‘Conservative Party of Canada’ for some years both financially, and working at the constituency level. However, I have ceased supporting the party financially and I am disinclined to work on your behalf for the next election.
The Conservative party has largely moved to the centre left and while you may perceive this to be politically astute, it will prove disastrous for the long term prospects of Canada as a nation. We elected you to lead Canadians, not to constantly sniff the winds of political opportunity, following the conventional wisdom of a left of centre central Canada and the media. Pandering for votes, especially those of ethnic minorities was always the purview of the Liberal Party, but it seems apparent that my party has now adopted their strategies.
I’m longing for a John Howard in Canadian politics and in casting my vote, I had believed that you, Prime Minister, were that man. Now I am sorely disappointed.
That multiculturalism is a dismal failure cannot be denied. We have hyphenated ourselves into a nation of ethnic nationalism with the result being division and a lack of connection and loyalty to the country. Witness the fact that the majority of ‘Lebanese-Canadians’ rescued from their war torn nation simply used Canada as a temporary refuge before returning to their ‘real’ home. Or in using a British example, I note how many British born Muslims claim they are not even ‘British-Muslims’ but rather “Muslims living in Britain”. Canadian residents, whether born here or arriving from distant lands, must have Canada as their first identity and first loyalty – not as a simple adjunct to whatever their national/political/ethnic affiliations might be.
We have enough division in Canada, yet we constantly promote further division and strife (Caledonia, anyone?) through the promotion of subsets of Canadianism.
I have often thought we are living in a bizarre, upside down world of strife between fundamentalists and western democracy. And now I find my own party and my own Prime Minister promoting policies that contribute to that same strange and convoluted program. I am disheartened and saddened that you have foregone the principals espoused earlier in your career, in order to further your political goals today. Conservative Party or Liberal Party. Does it really matter anymore?
no guff, I so hear you. But I’m torn.
Given the political and, sadly, psychological and intellectual, landscape of this now sorry country, I believe that PMSH and the CPC have to make some strategic moves, for the time being.
I believe, as Ted Byfield has said, politics is the art of the possible. In order for the Conservatives to gain a majority by the VOTERS, who are, generally, ill educated and easily swayed by the propaganda of the MSM, moving forward incrementally may be what’s needed. On the other hand, you may be right.
So, though I altogether agree with where you stand, I’m not sure your tactics will be what’s needed. Again, I could be quite wrong.
As I said, I’m torn.
No Guff — Think about it for a minute, to be truly conservative you need a majority. A lot of the crap coming from Harper is nothing but window dressing for the fence sitters. Go back and do your thing and if he pulls a Mulroney we can all cut his so called conservative throat at the next election.
I do get a smile out of in reading these posts and the infantile blame game being played by many of commentators. If we have a multicultural problem or an immigration problem it is the result of our own doing. We have a certain expectation of affluence that can only be sustained if we have a growing population. Stagnant or shrinking populations will, of necessity, cause lowered living standards. If everyone owns a house my job as a house builder becomes redundant. Yes there may be some owners renovating and even trading up or down in home ownership but the new house market will shrink dramatically. The same can be said of any hard good or service. A market economy needs a buyer and a seller to function. When the population is shrinking the market shrinks with less wealth being generated or retained. Faced with this reality the ‘government has been forced to open the doors to immigrants. The immigrants by sheer number are becoming the dominant culture. This is not the immigrants fault. It is our fault. We decided back in the sixty’s and seventy’s that women should not have babies they should become CEOs, doctors, lawyers or any other type of worker. Feminism, the pill and the allure of, albit short term, prosperity are a few of the contributing factors that made child rearing unattractive to our society. Instead of looking long term to the number of cars we will sell to the generation following we focus on the present consumer. If the family has more money the family wouldn’t have one car it could have two cars. The family ccan have all the newest appliances and the biggest houses especially if we lend them the money. Once the family is in debt both partners in the couple relationship are forced to work outside the home. The circle begins to draw tighter and in order to maintain ‘lifestyle’ children become a disposable option. Our birth rate has fallen well below replacement levels and we have to import people or go broke. In other words if you don’t like immigration look in the mirror and ask the person you see there, “Have you sired or given birth to enough children to both replace you and increase the wealth of the nation.
After all, “A nation’s only real asset is its next generation”.
stop all immigration until we know where the current crop of illegals are. then pass a law that says if you come here and don’t assimilate then you get sent back to where you came from. then invoke the not withstanding clause and tell the supreme court to piss off.
Joe, I’m altogether with you on the shortsightedness and greed factor going on. However, I believe that the immigration problem we have doesn’t quite fit your scenario: in fact, it adds quite significantly to the debt factor for hard working Canadians who must foot the bill for non citizens, who may have lots of children, but no intention of fitting in or giving back.
So, in their own way, this kind of person, while fitting your requirement of having lots of kids, also fits the profile of shortsightedness and greed: take what I can from the host country on my own terms (which, BTW, often means take but not give.)
And our governments and courts, which are definitely shortsighted, have really sold Canadian citizens down the river. The Liberals have brought in many unsuitable immigrants by buying their votes, and the courts sell us short by endowing these non citizens, not only with rights that the rest of us get—and pay for (e.g., education, health care)—but with added rights that many Canadian citizens don’t have: government paid clothing, shelter, food, legal services, and minority protections, e.g., can we criticize certain Canadian groups with impunity (Christians?), while being compelled—unless we want a Human Rights Commission claim against us—to keep our opinions to ourselves about others (Muslims?)?
The quite unjust inversion here is very damaging to the fabric of society, as are the problems you’ve outlined. However, the kind of immigration the Liberals and liberal, activist courts have encouraged will not improve the serious situation you’ve described. In fact, IMO, this kind of immigration will simply exacerbate the problem you’ve identified, as well as many others.
Lookout
I fully agree with you on the mistakes made by our government and the increases in debt and taxes resulting from such policy. My only point was if we as a nation would haxe kept up our birthrate we wouldn’t need immigrants and those who did come would be much more likely to assimilate because they would be such a minority.
Re: the ethnic outreach team article. Is the Globe and Mails ‘source’ accurate? I’m skeptical of many G&M journalists reporting on the Harper government – G&M is certainly biased on many accounts.
That being said, we conservatives are the first to turn on each other – unlike Liberals, who will stick together through thick and Adscam!!! I’m with Western Canadian – if Harper proves to be a bum then we’ll vote him out. Until then, he’s the best and brightest hope we’ve had in a long time.
Joe, I understand what you’re saying. I even agree, but I think it’s not too relevant to this thread, that’s all!
Ingrid, I altogether agree! And, though I have sympathy for no guff’s feelings, I think the logic’s no-win.
Joe said: “If we have a multicultural problem or an immigration problem it is the result of our own doing.”
Absolutely right, Joe. Couldn’t agree more. However, the early ‘west’ needed immigrants as well and they came by the 10’s of thousands from England, Ireland, China,Japan, Poland and scores of other nations. And for the most part they’re ‘just Canadians’ today – strong contributors to the fabric of the nation.
Today, we attract too many of the wrong kind of immigrant because of our lax and indulgent immigration laws and social safety net.
And don’t think I’m just picking on new immigrants either. I have acquaintances who have been in Canada for thirty or more years, two of them teachers now collecting Canadian pensions, who have never bothered to become Canadian citizens.
Should not happen. With rights and priviledges come basic responsibilities.
And in england where pigs are outlaws offending minorities is a federal crime and crinimals can rob anyone without fear of being shot or molested
“Is there something a bit… “off” about all these guys?”
I concur with Kathy