82 Replies to “They Said If Bush Were Re-Elected”

  1. I am reassured by the comments of Kate…WL Mackenzie Redux and the others here who understand that freedom of speech extends to everyone.
    I have seen several versions of this video including the brief clip on CTV news. In everyone of them I see a man being brutalized for having the audacity to exercise his right to speak and pose good unanswered questions.
    Sometimes I wonder at the ostensible conservatives on the forums here at SDA who seem determined to drive votes away from PM Stephen Harper.

  2. “In everyone of them I see a man being brutalized for having the audacity to exercise his right to speak and pose good unanswered questions.”
    I see an unwaged goof aggressively resisting arrest, laying his hands on a female cop, and taking advantage of the fact there are cameras on him to act in a manner that would ordinarily get his face smashed. And I see cops who I know if the cameras weren’t rolling would be laying on some gratuitous violence. As I said, hard to pick sides.

  3. It was all the rage on talk radio today.
    They played the sound of that stupid tool getting tasered about 400 times, and I feel even that wasn’t nearly enough. It’s the feel good video of 2007!
    I’m watching it again…

  4. Hi Andrew: “As I said, hard to pick sides”.The thing is we are talking about an individual on one side and the State on the other.
    Now there is a fair bit of suspicion swirling around the media and internet that this Meyer guy is an accomplished ‘attention whore’. Still even ‘attention whores’ have the right to be free of undue interference by the State.
    And those security people are not “rent-a-cops, they are the full time University of Florida Police, two of whom have just been suspended by the University administration.
    I have chosen sides and I’m with attention whore Meyer. 🙂

  5. “I see an unwaged goof aggressively resisting arrest, laying his hands on a female cop,”
    Hey Andrew…you’re pretty unhinged yourself and your all over the map in your politics…I think you just like to be contrary to get an argument.

  6. For those who feel good about this police torture… who also feel it can’t be done to them:
    1) Buddy asked if he was being arrested…no answer from police
    2) Buddy lawfully asks them to take their hands off him if he is not under arrest…he wasn’t at the time no charges and no provocation and NO PROBABLE CAUSE were evident!
    3) HE WAS PERFECTLY WITHIN HIS RIGHT TO RESIST UNLAWFUL POLICE ABDUTION which is what this amounted to( BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY TO STOP THE ILLEGAL ATTACK)
    What ensued ammounted to police torture of an illegally abducted citizen for no justifiable reason.
    And I don’t give a wet flying FXXK WHAT your think of him or his politics if you can condone this police brutalizing because of your Gawd damned partisan blinders you are civilly retarded.

  7. Any 10-year-old kid who’s taken karate classes could have brought down this buffoon.
    Have a look at the physical attributes of the rent-a-cops.
    Would you be afraid of any of them?
    Seems to me rent-a-cops or real cop should be able to take down a loudmouth like this if they needed to.
    Tazering is for sissies.

  8. PS.
    Were these not campus police?
    I’d guess there are no physical standards in that line of work and judgemental ability is really unimportant.
    Look again at the physical attributes.

  9. “What ensued amounted to police torture of an illegally abducted citizen for no justifiable reason.”
    Agreed, and what I find disturbing is the way so many people keep trying to find a reason to dislike Meyer on purely personal bias, so that they can sanction the illegal abuse by the police.
    As you point out it looks like we are trending towards one of those decisive moments in history when we will all be called upon to become clear about our politics and choose sides.
    Big discussions going on at http://reddit.com/info/2qls3/comments
    And http://digg.com/politics/Student_Tasered_at_John_Kerry_s_speech_at_UF_with_Video

  10. “I think you just like to be contrary to get an argument.”
    Sure, but do you not think a Canadian cop would hesitate to knee you in the gut if you carried on like that guy did? Cops arrest people under flimsy pretense all the time then release them. To sympathize with this clown betrays a lack of street sense. Cops in my town have beaten people on video and gotten away with it and maybe when it happens in your town too you’ll smell what I am cooking. It’s like the Surete de Quebec provocateurs at the SPP fiasco; I’m like “am I the only one who’s been “assaulted” by the Quebec cops while on a bender in Montreal here?” Matter of perspective I suppose.

  11. “Sure, but do you not think a Canadian cop would hesitate to knee you in the gut if you carried on like that guy did?”…”To sympathize with this clown betrays a lack of street sense”.
    We are not really talking about “street sense” which no doubt is a handy thing to have. Neither am I saying that a Canadian cop couldn’t or wouldn’t “knee you in the gut” if sufficiently provoked.
    So one more time: The State and and its functionaries may not break the law and arbitrarily taser citizens who are exercising their rights of citizenship.

  12. ann, and your point?, whatever. I’m sure you thought you had a handle on it. But, this is priceless in its irrelevance…“Clinton was an exeption”…that he had trailor trash roots didn’t keep the guy out of the White
    House if your point was how class conscious America is. His lack of class with an intern, the details are creepy by any standard, certainly did make him an exception.

  14. OK, the dude is a left moonbat. At a lefty moonbat party for a rich lefty moonbat. He jumps the que to ask some awkward questions and the organizer of the event gives the go ahead to purge the event of the offending dude.
    I don’t think that anyone should be tortured/harassed/ or otherwise intimidated for asking questions at a public event. This was not a wedding or some private occasion. It was a public event. I’m sure we can all appreciate the irony of a lefty getting zapped by other lefties, but I really don’t think this a road that should be travelled by a free and democratic society.

  15. I train Canadian cops in self defense from time to time. You would be amazed by how LITTLE training majority of them get. American cops are no different.

  16. I would have thought that after the lessons of the Duke/Durham/Nifong case, people would be a little less inclined to rush to judgment and to fail to express their appreciation of the concept of innocent until proven guilty — for both sides in this case.
    The government cannot deny you freedom to speak. Says so right in the U.S. and Canada statutes (modulo too many exceptions). Nevertheless, a contract, between private entities, such as the owner of the site and the promoter of the event, can bind all participants to rules, the violation of which are grounds for expulsion. You can, if you like, think of them as the conditions under which you won’t be considered to be trespassing.
    You may have noticed this phenomenon if you’ve ever been ejected by a bouncer; I, of course, have not.
    If you don’t like it, go stand on a soap box located on real estate owned by the public commons. But you can’t come into my house, or my business, and do whatever you want, and I have a say in that, over and above the floor set by the state’s statues.
    And if I over-react thereto then the law kicks in again. Those are the parameters under which this case will be judged. I don’t see it as a moral dilemma, and I don’t think it has anything to do with the Search for the Holy Grail.

  17. I accessed a blog by Michelle Malkin. She may be comparitively unknown to Canadians. Her latest contains some information on the tasered one.

    One of the most telling pieces is to refer to this man’s blog. In it he absolutely gloats over taunting and jeering at a professional baseball player. This as a spectator. The player is Ken Griffey jr. He exults in the irate player obviously rattled and then performing poorly.

    The man is one of these mentally sick people who disguises the fact. He uses seemingly legitimate ways initially to vent his outrage.

    As for security – damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

  18. I used to fix TV sets in the early days of my youth. 25K volts hurts like dickens, but does not incapacitate.
    Posted by: Aaron at September 18, 2007 2:57 PM ”
    I did too mr aaron but I never got zapped. I always waited a good 15 minutes for the copper coil behind the pic tube to discharge and even then I would ground it with a screw driver to make sure.
    going around the neighborhood offering to fix tube type televisions made me pocket change. t’was a gamble though, if the tubes I replaced wasnt enough to get the set working it was a loss.
    but the training in electrical things paid off hugely later in life.

  19. mr vitruvius makes a valid point.
    would it not be incumbent of the securitats to warn the loudmouth a taser was imminent? to not do so in my opinion breaches excessive use of force.
    ie the ones in the uniform for the 80 millionth time overreact.
    I had a bloke park his arse on my front step insisting he had the right to do so, in support of some dame claiming I owed her money (I didnt).
    a swift kick to the groin area and a challenge he try it with the mayor of the city convinced him to leave the premises.

  20. Sure, the guy was an idiot but that is what you get when you have police officers that don’t know what they are doing. A properly trained police officer could have removed him properly with a minimum of fuss. They were ham handed and incompetent. Every last one of them deserves to be suspended. 5 of them tackling a guy and then tasering him on the ground. Those clowns should stick to the feeble old senior citizen beat.

  21. What this guy is or says is not important. They could have shut off the mic. The reaction of the police (of what ever strain) is important. For Andrew the woman cop appears to be the primary aggetator, in a situation like this if she doesn’t want to get something shoved in her face she shouln’t stick her face in. The 5 or 6 cops are to blame and at least should be fired for incompetence.
    If you don’t think that police in Canada routinely break the law and or ignore it for politicaly expediency I give you the OPP and Caldonia, many times over, or the RCMP who take a hand-cuffed victim into a back room, shoot him in the back of the head and claim self defence.
    The sad part is that all the sheeple sat and watched all this happen. This happens all the time. We deserve what we get

  22. They did shut off the mic, as I understand it. The authorities were, in my opinion, being ham-handed. The accused was, in my opinion, being unreasonable. Thus, at this point, as I mentioned, it becomes a matter of law, not of philosophy.
    And don’t forget that John Campbell Argyll said: “Hard cases make bad law”.

  23. The people who sympathized with the unwaged goof just got taken for a ride – by the unwaged goof’s own admission:
    Police report student told them: ‘You didn’t do anything wrong’
    “GAINESVILLE – Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, “You didn’t do anything wrong.”
    In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.
    “As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again,” Mallo wrote.
    http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

  24. Hi Penny. I’m not a big fan of Clinton, not a fan at all, and I didn’t mean to imply that when I wrote he was an exception to the rich, privileged boys getting into important fraternities. I had always heard that he was a poor kid from a disfunctional family, that’s all. WL Mackenzie Redux’s comments on his past were enlightening — I’d never heard that version.
    WL Mackenzie Redux — thanks for your info. I’m still skeptical about a menancing group controlling the reins of power, but I have to confess that some things do make one wonder . . .

  26. Andrew @ 7.09AM you have been well and truely hooked and reeled in. I was taught in basic training not to believe anything you hear and only half of what you see, 45 years later it is still accurate with the exception or see. Maybe it should be down to 5 or 10%.
    I assume by the name Nicole that your are reffering to the female cop. If that is so it appears that she standing back and screeming at Meyer probably caused more harm than the rest combined.

  27. HUH: I did a bit more than replaced the tubes. Firing up horizontal synch w/o a tube attached for testing can sometimes zap a tech. I don’t know a TV tech that never got zapped and I know quite a few of them. Even monkeys fall from trees.

  29. Freedom of speech extends to those whose speech we might not agree with and/or those we might not like.
    Who cares what this guy’s political affiliation was? There’s no justification for any kind of police brutality. Unfortunately this is becoming normal and we are slowly heading towards becoming a police state. The U.S. is just a little further down the road than Canada.
    But, that doesn’t mean Harper and his cronies aren’t planning on singing from the same hymn book when it comes to limiting free speech. It was good enough for Chretien at APEC wasn’t it?
    I can’t believe that there are people out there who feel it’s okay to trample the rights of others they don’t agree with. I’m sure there were people out there who thought it was just fine to shoot those protesters at Kent State too.
    Assaulting one person’s right to free speech is assaulting everyone’s right to free speech. It starts there and moves incrementally. There are plenty of examples out there (the ironically named PATRIOT act and Canada’s version of it.)
    While I might not agree with what everyone has to say, I’m glad they’re free to say it. Maybe we could all develop a little more tolerance and have an honest discourse on political issues rather than the name calling and idiocy that passes for debate these days.

  31. If he was in pain, I doubt he would be saying ‘ooww’. Leftards should take notice, if you want to report or feign pain ‘oowww’ doesn’t cut it. It never did. Oooww is like a hang nail, or less. Everyone in reality is thinking you should suck that up. Your finger nails will come back,…

  32. These comments sadden me. Regardless of how idiotic or narcissistic this fool is, we can’t accept police tackling or tasering him because we disagree with him. Everyone has a right to be a total jerk.
    If you support the publishing of those Danish cartoons (I do), then you support this guy’s right to ask even stupid questions. Freedom to speak inoffensively is freedom not worth having.
    There’s always been too much hate on this site for me to stomach reading daily – this just reaffirms what a cult of hate Kate commands.

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