A Regina body shop owner survives an encounter with a crazed gunman – he fought back;
Ryan Murray allegedly entered an auto body shop, carrying a gun, and demanding the keys to a vehicle to a vehicle owned by the business. A few moments later, a shot was fired in the manager’s office. Police say employees at the business were able to restrain the gunman before officers arrived.
One person in the shop was injured after being hit by the weapon.
Ryan Murray now faces eight charges including attempted murder. The rifle he was carrying was seized by police, and found to have several rounds of ammunition.
He had his eyes on the Hummer in the parking lot. The punchline;
The accused had been released on bail the day before by Provincial Judge Kenn Bellrose. He was facing several charges in connection with an alleged car-jacking in Regina June 9th, and had spent most of the past month undergoing a psychiatric assessment in North Battleford. Prosecutors had strongly opposed his release, arguing that he was a danger to the public.
Via the Murray Wood show, live blogging an interview with the owner of Provincial Auto Body.. Lorie Jalinski (sp?) came back after coffee with his guys, and was on the phone with a customer and in walks a guy hollering, screaming..
“he had a camoflauge gun case, pulls a shotgun out” and screams “I need the key for the hummer… give me the m**f** keys to your hummer…. I’m going to kill you, … give me the keys….”
He wondered if it was a plastic gun, or a joke…
As he goes to get the keys for him, there’s a shot and there’s a hole in the ceiling above his head.
“give me the keys…”
The shop owner walks around the back of the office while the gun is aimed on him, the guy screaming “I’m gonna kill you give me the keys” with the gun pointed 6″ from his face.
He pulls the trigger, and he hears it “click”
Jalinski goes after him, gets hit with the stock of gun above the eye.
“Now I’m torqued at this guy.. but I gotta get this gun away from him.”
After a battle, he gets the gun away from Murray and gets him in the corner, subdues him and has him bent backwards over a railing, when one of the employees (none of whom could hear the noise over their work) saw him through the window, and helps subdue him. Another employee call 911 while others restrain him in the coffee room.
The assailant is sitting in a chair and and offers “I’m depressed”
“You’re depressed?”
It took around 5 minutes for the cops arrive. He had 18 shotgun shells, twenty-four 303 shells, and a full loaded clip for a 303. There were 4 more guns in his truck.
“He was on a little bit of a Terminator mission.”
The shot that didn’t go off had jammed. There were four more shells in the shotgun.
“The police told me he was on a mission. If it wasn’t here, it was
somebody else.”
He was cut and bleeding from the battle, but otherwise in fairly good shape.
“Get this. He parks his truck in front of the hummer. He’s going to steal my hummer but he’s got to move his truck before he can steal my hummer. I looked out the window and his dog is on the seat.”
He thinks he was on “mind altering drugs”. No doubt.
“The police said I shouldn’t go after him. But what am I going to do? I’m not going to negotiate with a guy who’s got a shotgun pointed at my face.”
Follow this case closely, and don’t be surprised if Jalinski ends up being charged with assault and battery, with a lawsuit by Murray to follow.
“I’m depressed”. lol
“I’m depressed” This guy isn’t too nuts. He has just set up his defense strategy. He is a victim of mental illness. Being a victim of, well, almost anything in Canada means a short prison sentence.
It is very fortunate that the real victim wasn’t killed. Thank goodness for small miracles and quick thinking self-defense.
Stealing or paying for a Hummer suggests some form of mental illness.
Hmmm. If I tried an armed hold-up and was foiled by my would-be victim, I think I’d be depressed too.
“The police said I shouldn’t go after him. But what am I going to do? I’m not going to negotiate with a guy whose got a shotgun pointed at my face.”
The police always say that. Of course they were not the one with the gun pointed at their head.
My state is a “must issue, concealed-carry” state. If the perp pulled that here, and had his gun misfire, there is some chance that he would have shortly had two holes, of approximately .38 to .45 inches in diameter, in his chest, and probably one in his head to boot.
(Myself: I prefer .40 by Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, in a gem by Mr. Kimber)
That possibility has deterred some of this BS.
Stand out of the way now and watch the liberals and the lefties go ballistic (pun intended) over my *observation*.
But I do tend to harbor the thought that I have an inherent right to protect myself. Obviously the legal system isn’t doing everything it could in these circumstances to protect the public.
[deleted – smarten up. ED] Judge Kenn “Two-Enns” Bellrose for granting bail to violent criminal Ryan Murray.
Gun control laws are working as effectively as possible, which is exactly – not at all.
Head shakingly STUPID! Glad the gun misfired.
Meanwhile, Jack Layton and Mayor Miller continue their relentless search for those elusive “root causes” of crime…
Interesting…
On bail for a violent crime (carjacking is violent).
Must have a weapons order on him.
Can’t be licensed to possess guns and the guns can’t be registered.
That has not stopped him from committing a crime.
It never does. Gun registry is a waste. Gun licensing is a farce.
The police should have said “good job.”
Bruce the root cause of crime is a country thats gone to pot the last 40 years.
In Winnipeg a week or so ago they broke up a crime ring but police found 90% of the people who were robbed didn’t even report it because they thought there was no point.
The graphs show crimes 2.5 times higher now than in the early 1960’s. But I think they are even higher than that.
But as long as the law abiding citizens have trigger locks who cares how much crime is going up.
Rather than passing another law saying you can’t carry guns in public or making the auto body shop a “gun free zone”, why not simply pass a law saying that you can’t shoot people. That will solve all the problems, here and in Toronto.
…Global Warming caused the rifle breech to jam from heat expansion.
tomax7:
LOL! It’s Bush’s fault that a psychotic liberal could not rid the world of another hard working conservative!
“…Global Warming caused the rifle breech to jam from heat expansion.”
Posted by: tomax7 at July 23, 2007 5:01 PM
Absolutely. Immediately Mr. Murray will file a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the shotgun because it misfired. Then he will file an action against the owner of the body shop because said owner had not purchased enough carbon credits to remediate the GW in the place of business.
We should ban Hummers to prevent this type of thing from ever happening again!
‘Send Lawyers guns and money the shit has hit the fan”
The police never told him what he should do. Stand back while he clears the weapon and talk in a soothing voice?
Yoop, you’d stop at two holes? Brave! Guys that juiced don’t usually notice a pistol round unless you get them in the head or the spine.
I’ve met a couple (in hospital of course) that took multiple body hits and -ran- for several blocks after being shot.
Lefties take particular note, it took FIVE MINUTES for the cops to respond to a 911 armed-robber-shots-fired call.
I wonder how long it will take before charges are laid for defending himself? Silly? Wait a while, remember his “fragile emotional state” and what passes for a legal system.
How long before another jerk Canadian Liberal judge lets him out on the street again???
That was an honest-to-God miracle. Shame on the judge who released that maniac back into the community.
It should be obvious to all that Ryan wanted some wheels. All of this could have been avoided if only the judge could have given ol’ Ry a Hummer when he was released. When are we going to unfetter our judges?
Really, five mimutes isn’t that bad – there’s a lot of places in both Canada and the US where the policy couldn’t arrive in 5 minutes no matter how fast they drive. I understand why, as a matter of policy, the police do not encourage unarmed folks to fight back against armed maniacs. I also know that Jalinski absolutely did the right thing – it’s not often you get so lucky that the perp’s gun jams, but you shouldn’t throw away a golden opportunity either. Ultimately it is the choice of the person being held at gunpoint – it’s literally his or her life. Your only consideration is which course of action is most likely to result in your leaving the situation alive. If that means you meekly comply, then do it – I absolutely understand the desire to fight back and not surrender to thugs, but I think your loved ones would rather have you then a point of principal. Similarly, if you look into the guy’s eyes and are convinced that he is going to kill you anyways, then take any decent opportunity that comes along. Whatever you choose, your overriding consideration must be your safety and the safety of those around you. Justice, revenge, honour, fear of lawsuits, fear of being prosecuted yourself – none of those things should enter into the equation; they are distractions you cannot afford. If you really think that you are going to die otherwise, then really, who cares about being sued into the poorhouse or even charged with a crime? Similarly, if the route to survival is acquiesence then do it – your pride is not worth it, not to those that care about you.
So the leagl monopoly( I’ll no longer call then a justice system) allowed this skank back on the street and that (transparently wrong) decision resulted in more harm to citizens.
In a world of real justice this judge would take the perps place in jail.
This degenerate devolution of justice into a inept monopoly of utopian social engineer is the reason I will never surrender my firearm and I refuse to give up the right to self defense.
I’ll take my chances with 12 peers rather than the psychotic jurocrats.
I found Mark Steyn’s observation amusing. Roughly, from memory, in his redoubt in rural Hew Hampshire, he heard some sounds outside that suggested the possibility of a interloper. He phone the police chief who told him, “Well you’re closer than I am …”. Or words to that effect. In other words, look after it yourself.
Yeah, right: “you shouldn’t have gone after the guy.” What is this: some kind of union rule — a job threat. As we all know now, 9/11 would not have been the disaster it was if we hadn’t been trained to cooperate with hijackers.
Famous last words: wait for the “authorities.”
Me No Dhimmi – I think most on this blog agree with you, but nobody wants to see folks getting hurt or killed when they don’t have to. Clearly the justice system is broken, but the solution is not people jumping armed robbers to meet out their own justice.
Police can’t publically advocate violently subduing a perp. Off the record, I’m sure most police are happy the garage owner did what he did. If police advocated citizens fighting back vs criminals, and a civilian was injured or killed, the police would have a PR nightmare.
Why is anyone surprised. Sask. is #1 in Canada for violent crimes.
The bright side…Regina was not Canada’s murder capital last year and looks like will not be for this year either.
Darn! The NDP gov’t is slipping again!
Gork said: “Gun control laws are working as effectively as possible, which is exactly – not at all.”
It’s not about controlling guns or controlling criminals or their actions…gun control is a statist orthodoxy for the disramament and disempowerment of citizens.
In that regard it is working precisely as planned…it has armed citizens so frightened ti defend themselves, it has a list that will aid in confiscation and it has created a panic in the public with the escalating armed crime that disempowering justified armed civilian self defense always does.
Lastly, draconian civilian gun laws and self defense laws has created a (fraudulent) assumption that only the government has a monopoly on the use of justified force and a monopoly on upholding the law.
When the citizenry has been fraudulently intimidated into surrendering their right to justified armed self defense, there is dystopian tyranny…we are in that dystopian tyranny and we should act as sovereign citizens accordingly when oppressed with such enforcement of tyranny.
It is armed criminals which should be piling up in the morgues, not law abiding citizens…it seems our dystopian government thinks that dead citizens is a small price to pay for their social engineered tyranny of monopoly of force.
If I wrestled a gun from someone that had pointed it at me I would return the favor.
“The police said I shouldn’t go after him. But what am I going to do?”
Tell the police where they can shove their advice.
pPolice advice in most cases is not legal advice but abominated policy desmination….essentially these keystones were warning the guy he could be charged if they determined he had intent to harm this goblin.
holdfast: Good point — I’m certainly not a gung-ho vigilante justice guy. But in this instance we are looking at split-second decision-making where the “authorities” are simply not in the picture.
Re: gun control, this perp knew with about 99% confidence that he would not be endangered by facing a firearm.
BTW, can anyone here confirm the existence of a town in Texas where owning a firearm is REQUIRED and in which there is literally no crime? Or is that just an urban legend I picked up along the way.
Adune makes a good point too. The police do have the PR angle to consider and may secretly approve of the guy who was “torqued” in this story.
The town where a firearm was required to be present in each home was in Illinois outside Chicago…the city ordinance was over turned by state government…but the law was passed…the town was sick of Chicago inner city crime coming into this bedroom community so they wanted criminal elements know that they will face armed victims if they strike at homes in his city.
I think it is a town in Georgia that requires it’s citizenry to own a gun..Also I believe Switzerland requires every household to have a firearm. I am depressed also. I really wish the nutcase ended up with an exit hole in his brain pan.This depresses me.
If judges or parole boards release offenders into the community, they should do so on the understanding that if the offender re-offends the judge or parole board itself will face personal fines and/or imprisonment.
This should result in more conservative assessments of risk to re-offend.
Alternatively, we could pay judges or parole boards on their “batting averages”, penalizing them if their early release offenders re-offend.
“Prosecutors had strongly opposed his release, arguing that he was a danger to the public.”
Wrong argument … they should have argued he was a danger to himself (firing off guns without the proper ear protection, etc) … our liberal judges don’t care much about the public.
Time to fire the judges and hold elections for the judiciary, the same goes for the parole board.
The idiocy we see in the decisions handed down should confirm that too many, so called, judges and board members are suffering from Extreme Leftist Mental Disorder.
The town requiring citizens to own a gun was Kenesaw, Georgia; they passed their law in response to a law passed in Morton Grove, Illinois, which BANNED handguns in the city (they apparently hadn’t noticed the results of the de facto ban that exists next door in Chicago). The Swiss situation is that, as long as you’re a male over a certain age, you’re considered to be part of the militia, and you have to spend a certain number of weeks per year in training, on manoeuvers, etc. As part of that, you are required to keep a Sturmgewehr 90 (think of an M-16) at home, along with a 500-round sealed plastic bag of ammunition that’s supposed to last them until they can get to a depot if they’re mobilized. Anti-gunners claim that the reason the Swiss don’t have school shootings or mass murders is because someone who’s found to have broken into their “emergency” ammo is going to get into trouble, but do you think a mass murderer really GIVES a damn about “getting into trouble”?
The town is actually spelled “KENNESAW”. Note the double N’s. I am surprised that the offender was found to be in good condition when the police arrived. He would have been in a sorry state had he been in any of the shops I have worked in.
Thank goodness that his shotgun misfired, that is unbeleivably fortunate for the shop owner. Absolutely an excellent ending to this incident. I wonder if the judge feels stupid for his lack of “judgement”!!
“Yoop, you’d stop at two holes? Brave! Guys that juiced don’t usually notice a pistol round unless you get them in the head or the spine.”
Posted by: The Phantom at July 23, 2007 5:59 PM
Training and practice. Double tap to the upper-central body mass. Then…
Usually those “runners” you describe have been tapped with a nine. Those have a Hatcher Rating of around 40, which means a one-shot stop 50% of the time.
My forty has a HR of 60, essentially the same as the .45 ACP. That means a one-shot-stop 90% of the time. That doesn’t take into account the newer bullet design.
“Really, five mimutes isn’t that bad – there’s a lot of places in both Canada and the US where the policy couldn’t arrive in 5 minutes no matter how fast they drive.”
Posted by: holdfast at July 23, 2007 7:23 PM
The actual, average, measured response time to my place is 35 to 40 minutes for police, be it State or County. Ambulance is 45 to 50 minutes. That is summertime, good weather, no traffic. And someone on the duty roster. Wee hours of the morning, no State coverage. In winter all bets are off.
So, I am essentually on my own for the normal period of time that would elapse when the manure contacted the rotating fan blades. I’m prepared, both mentally, and equipment wise, to attempt to handle any situation, providing luck holds.
One thing I did note in the report. The auto shop owner said the gun went “click” when the perp pulled the trigger. That was interpreted by someone as a “jammed” gun. In my experience a “jammed” gun will not allow the sear to release when the trigger is pulled, therefore no sound of a click. It sounds to me like it was either a dud round, or a poor strike of the firing pin. Since the gun had fired just before that, I would think it was a dud round. That is pretty rare now-a-days. That would mean that the fellow was even luckier than initially believed.
“I think it is a town in Georgia that requires it’s citizenry to own a gun”
Posted by: wallyj at July 23, 2007 8:50 PM
Wally, here’s the recent story.
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5 years murder-free in ‘Gun Town USA’
Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents
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Posted: April 19, 2007
1:52 p.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Kennesaw, Ga., City Hall
As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.
In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.
The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
Good post, Yoop. “….a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000.”
Check this link out about Canadian crime rates folks (Warning: It’s from the CBC and was posted here before) http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/07/18/crime-stats.html?ref=rss
We could need more towns like Kennesaw across this nation because the numbers show, it’s not the US that’s crime ridden, it’s us!
“pPolice advice in most cases is not legal advice but abominated policy desmination….essentially these keystones were warning the guy he could be charged if they determined he had intent to harm this goblin.”
Which demonstrates your complete and utter lack of knowledge about police or police work. Apparently you had a bad run in at some point in your life, but have subsequently failed to recognize that there are tens of thousands of police in this countyr who do yeomans work in keeping things on an even keel – despite utter frustration with the judicial system and many of their bureaucratic superiors. How do you suppose this guy got in front of a judge to get bail in the first place? He walked in and surrendered himself? Not friggin’ likely. I’m sick and tired of the ridiculous shotgun blast accusations that people fire about police. Yeah, some are idiots, and shouldn’t carry a badge, never mind a gun. But the overwhelming majority are out there at 3 a.m chasing the Ryan Murray’s of the world why you watch American Idol.
And on a similair vein – there are all kind of valid arguments against gun control, and most have been noted on this blog at one time or another. But the insinuation that the gubbermint wants gun control to keep the citizenry from taking over is blatantly ridiculous. Take off the tin hat. Ploiticians aren’t smart enough, or mroe impolrtantly, organized enough, to make that conspiracy happen.
I think, for the most part, crime stats are pretty hokey. The main problem is that only the reported crimes make it to the stats. Even a crime like murder (you have a body … it gets reported) is treated different in different countries … we recently had a couple of murderers found guilty of manslaugter in BC.
Having said that, there are a few “after the fact stats” that can be used to gauge what’s going on. I invite you to look at the following link and form your own opinions on Canada’s banana imports and crime sentence length:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ca/Bottom-Rankings
Since there has been a little discussion about Jamiaca lately (and because the last thing we should do is to deprive them of their culture) you might want to look at the culture we are not depriving them of:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/jm-jamaica/cri-crime
Shop ownwer missed his chance. The gunman should be dead. So the story won’t end here. Glad he didn’t get killed, the owner I mean.
And el gordo you are right on the money!
Great comments. Virtually all of them. Some of them knee slappingly funny.
The unfunny part is that the judge involved will not face justice.
I’m a dual citizen. Swiss. Some serious weaponry in every home and every stable male knows exactly how to use it. Required to train yearly after compulsory military service. Mr. Bellrose would have been a gun toting son of a gun (pun intended) who would have never even thought of letting Mr. Murray out to do his damage if he had been Swiss.
What a shame the judge in question did not have to face the killer.
Train ’em up. Lets start the the criminal extinction process right here in good old Canada.
If the cops responded to that call in five minutes, it means that they were in the donut shop next door when it happened.
And, to quote the RCMP spokesthingy in B.C., ( over public complaints about the execution of Ian Bush: “The public has no right to know.”
The root cause of crime is a sense of entitlement. I’m depressed, so I’m entitled; The man has stuck to me all my life, so I’m entitled; I’m entitled to my entitlements, so I’m entitled.
I’m not sure I’d like to see judges elected in this country. After seeing the performances of some of our elected politicians, i.e Carolyn Parrish, I would be very concerned what type of judges we would get.
I do, however, believe we do need a better system of appointments.