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That’s the statement by Liberal MP Mark Holland in an interview with Charles Adler a few moments ago. I will get a link to the audio when I can – and would very much appreciate it if someone would volunteer to write up a transcript of the portion of the interview in question and forward it to me via email.
UPDATE: Unofficial Transcript
-special thanks to regular reader, Bruce.
(note – corrected from earlier version)
Adler opens the segment by playing a clip of Peter Sellers acting as Inspector Clousseau (how fitting when it comes to Mark Holland, MP) and then intro’s the piece by referring to a listener’s email which states that the Liberals are prepared to ruin Canada financially (by restricting the oil sands development) and then stating that Mark Holland says that it is a good Canadian sacrifice to save the planet.
Holland: And all of a sudden the polls turn around and he (referring to Harper) says he believes it.
Adler: So you’re saying he’s a convert now.
H: Well I don’t think he’s a convert at all, I mean, look at, they’re looking to take the oil sands and multiply production anywhere from four to five times, um, and if you take a look at what that’ll do to greenhouse gases. I mean, forget about meeting Kyoto targets, we’re going to be above where we are today.
A: Yeah, but there’s all sorts of , there’s all sorts of technology that will sequester the stuff, or suppress it or whatever you want to call it. you know, pound it down into the ground Mark, the way the Conservatives want to pound you.
H: Take a look at the energy that~Rs required to extract it from the ground, uh, even, there’s a report, now when we look at it, it’s gonna require something like 20 nuclear reactors at 600 megawatts in order to just provide the power necessary for THREE times the existing capacity.
A: So, would a Liberal government ban that from happening?
H: Well, what I think what we would do is that we would manage that resource responsibly and we would.
A: No no, hang on, hang on, what does that mean.
H: Well that would mean, in my opinion, we need to stabilize the oil sands, we need, we don’t need to be multiplying them times five.
A: You mean taking less stuff out of the sands is what you’re saying?
H: Exactly, using it responsibly, over a protracted period of time, making sure that we can actually meet our international commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
A: So would Stephane Dion in a campaign go on record and say that , uh, we are not going to allow the energy companies in Alberta to take as much out of the sands as they plan to take out?
H: Yeah, I think what you~Rre going to be seeing is, we’re going to say that you can not exploit, uh, that resource, that you can’t basically go in there and pump it out as fast as you can and give it to the Americans, uh, and sell out our national interests and, blow apart our emissions targets. I mean, the reality is that, that the Conservative government doesn’t believe one iota in climate change – that this is, this is a shell game, that the only thing they have done is re-introduce measures that were already working. I mean, they’ve wasted a year, re-introduced programs that were already in existence and they brought them back, um, in many cases, much weaker than they were previously.
A: Alright, got one question for you, have you put a price tag on all this altruism?
H:Well, I think that we’re going to see , um, the most comprehensive platform.
A: No no, not platform, have you put a price on how many jobs you’re going to kill off with this idea?
H: Well what we do know is that, um, there was a report done in Great Britain, saying that if we act now, as nations across the world, that it will cost us what, roughly one percent of global GDP, that if we wait 20 years it will cost us 20 times GDP, in other words, this fallacy that it’s going to cost us jobs and cost our economy is just that, it’s a lie, that the reality is that, if we put it off, it will cost us 20 times more in the future, so we’re going to be judged very harshly by future generations.
A: Mark Holland, letting it all out of the bag. Mark Holland is a Liberal Member of Parliament, letting it out of the bag that a future government, a government under Stephane Dion’s Liberals, would be ordering energy companies to just simply stop it, to put their plans on hold, because if it costs too much energy to get it out of the ground, to get it out of the oil sands, if it doesn’t meet Kyoto standards,so be it.
The segment will be available in the archives at CJOB at around the 40 minute mark at 2pm, February 1.
Something tells me Mr. Holland is about to be thrown under a bus. And not by an Albertan.
Flashback – I told you so.
So NOW who has the “secret agenda?”
Feb 3 Update: Fallout beginning? Bourque has this tonight:
Senior Dion Libs are telling Bourque that the MP Mark Holland’s shocking comments about the Party’s secret plans to socialize Alberta’s oil sands industry have caused the Party significant negative impact in the West at a time when the Liberals are desperate to build support for their cause across the land. Indeed, Holland was said to have spent a significant part of the day today cobbling together some semblance of a rationale to soothe over the scar left by his iambic utterings emitted on an open-line radio show yesterday, the gist of which was re-hashed by Charles Adler in an exclusive text for Bourque last night. Add to that one Dion kool-aid drinker, who noted by email, “Pierre, it’s one thing for Stephane to unleash our pit bulls, it’s another for the mutt to tripod a squirt on Alberta”. According to another source inside OLO, there’s a small chance Holland may be demoted from his current critic’s gig. One wonders why.
Well there goes any hope dion had of getting one seat in alberta let alone the 6-8 he is talking about. Wonder how many phoned for memberships in the Alberta Separtist Party after hearing that. Holland also spouted that it was conservatives that talked about a 4-5 increase. He didn’t pay attention, it was Martin who organized that meeting in Texas.
“Da poof is da poof, and when you have good poof, it is poofen!”
-from the gospel of Jean Cruton
Well, it’s not quite so secret now is it?
New technology like this ( http://petrobank.com/ops/html/cnt_white_thai.html ) will greatly reduce or eliminate the need for steam (and thus NG or some other energy source).
Re: “pump it out as fast as you can and give it to the Americans” – We don’t exactly give it to the Americans. We charge the market rate and then give 15% to the feds and other provinces via taxes and equalization.
And the more we produce and the faster we ramp up production the more we tighten the economic vice on Iran and thus indirectly save Canadian and coalition lives in Afghan and Iraq. If the LP legislates a moratorium on new oilsands development they will have blood on their hands.
I cant figure out how the Liberals were planning to seize control of Alberta without an army.
God Bless The Republic of free Alberta.
Exit stage right.
Last one in Canada turn off the lights, if any are left that is to shut down.
Now I know Easterners are mad. Leastways the ones sucking the sugar dust of socialism.
Well done!! You have just committed National suicide. Canada has never lacked of separatists because of your spun lies mixed in with your cotton candy dreams of Utopia.
Albertans are realists not separatists. Your form of delusional reality, is our night mare. Guess what. Where not going along with it. Three rapes is enough. Guess the other two? Didn’t think so.
Good analysis Kate. You beat most of the so called “Big Boy’s” to the punch. Thanks for this subject. We heard this at work. No one has stopped talking about it since. This comes close to declaring economic war. Hell it is!!!
Happy Trails Ontario
So we finally know what dion was saying … thanks Mark. But hold it … do we believe what he said … or what he said he said?
Something tells me there would be a mass immigration to Alberta if Alberta decided to separate.
There is not enough oil in Alberta to make Holland’s pronouncements slip away…not for anyone who went through those years of the last Liberal NEP!
Albertans are surely prepared to take their share of the load to find the balance, but not at the hands of that bunch…not ever again!
I’m sure that Albertan’s are sick and tired of bending down to Liberal governments, if Liberals get back in, Alberta is out. We will not just pretend like the Quebec fakers, Quebec can’t afford to separate, we can.
Holland might just have given us that extra push we needed. What an idiot!
I was under the impression that resources were a provincial matter. No one seems to get upset about Quebec flooding thousands of square miles of forest to produce power, but if Alberta decides to do something far less environmentally offensive, Liebrals get upset. Preventing oil sands development would be economic suicide for Canada.
Think of all the jobs that building 20 nuclear reactors would provide but I get the impression that the notion of 20 nuclear power plants in N. Alberta is not looked at in a positive light. At least Liebrals are making their positions known and if the eastern part of the country doesn’t like what’s happening, they can freeze in the dark to meet their Y2Kyoto targets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Holland
According to this guy’s biography, he’s worked for the Royal Bank of Canada and CIBC. As somebody who works in finance, I’ve always been puzzled by how many of my colleagues are die-hard Liberal supporters.
Don’t these people realize how entrepreneurs are able to start up businesses? Analyze whether a business model is sustainable? Knowledgable on the distorting effects that govt. fiat has on investment and business planning? The importance of corporate profits to ensuring that a company can invest in technology and its workforce?
If you need to know all this stuff in your job, why can’t these Liberals apply it to stuff that matters like oil sands development?
Re: “pump it out as fast as you can and give it to the Americans” – We don’t exactly give it to the Americans. We charge the market rate and then give 15% to the feds and other provinces via taxes and equalization.
You hit the nail on the head Gord, it’s amazing how laissez faire strikes the right chord, you might almost think that humans, left to their own devices might actually be able to fend for themselves and take actions that were beneficial to their own lives. Maybe we should pursue that line of reasoning further.
I was 17 when the NEP came down. I was raised in Fort Mac. Never never never again will I go quietly. I am 43 now and I’de sooner die. Take it from me….I dare ya…..
Syncro
After the Holland clip, Adler had Warren Kinsella on for his weekly interview. Interestingly Kinsella couldn’t be more clear on what a doofus Holland was and how he is damaging the Liberal party. I know many here can’t stand Kinsella but he is an authority on Liberal party politics. You can hear the whole thing at http://www.cknw.com in the audio vault, Thursday at 1pm to 2pm.
Kinsella
lacks integrity…..sold it a long time ago….presuming he ever had any…
Syncro
Kinsella lacks integrity…..sold it a long time ago….presuming he ever had any…
So do you think that disqualifies him from being an authority on Liberal party politics?
Good point Randall.
Authority on insincerity.
I stand corrected.
Syncro
ok, no hypocrisy here…citoyen dion’s beloved france receives 80% of it’s electricity from nuclear power, yet it is taboo in Canada?????or is it just outright hate of the Americans????or just outright hate of Alberta?????it has to be one of the two, I see no other logical answer
A an Ontarian, I want to know who will be the first
Governor of the state of Alberta, and will it be a democrat or a republican?
I urge all Albertans to get out ASAP.
one other thing….I would like to apologise on behalf of all non-librano Ontario folk….with the exception of the moonbat/dipper/latte crowd, the majority of people here fully support the oil sands projects…we must, we keep sending our children there…some of us actually know who is buttering our bread
Exhibitionist ranters like Holland push out enough hot air to pollute a room and they have a short shelf life.
His little stint on Adler has done further damage for the Liberal brand in Alberta.
If Punk Rocker Kinsella holds any sway in the present Party maybe he should give Holland a bit of “Shit from Hell”. He may need to be fitted with a muzzle.
Holland was trying to talk his way out of it yesterday on Duffy, blahblahblah, in a counterpoint to James Rajotte.
They did a split screen and Rajotte looked incredulous,sorta “WTF is this doofus saying?” “Is he speaking portuguese?” “Did someone really vote for this guy?”
Its amazing how the Liberals never learn from mistakes of the past such as the NEP. What other mistakes have they not learned from. That being said, is there any reason I should not become a Liberal Party member, move to Alberta and open up an advertising firm to help stop the spread of seperation?
I have always felt that the liberal main plan for years has to be that if they can succeed in ticking off alberta enough so that if they opted out of the dominion the Liberals will have complete control of canada for decades. This would enable them to have a totaly socialist state, sounds looney but it is feasable think about it, just look at the provincial govt’s Quebec liberal, On. liberal, BC liberal, NB liberal, I know NFl is Con, Sask SDP not sure about the remaining. Liberals don’t give a squat about alberta never have never will.
BTW iam in Ontario
Liberals know that Alberta can never decide who governs the country so by turning their guns on Alberta they are soothing all the other provinces concerns that they will somehow have to do something towards reducing emissions.
The whole global warming or climate change or …(insert buzz word) has and will continue to become a war of NIMBY (not in my backyard). As long as Big Bad Alberta is the focus, the auto industry, the power industry and all other industry in the rest of Canada can breath a sigh of relief that they will not be affected.
The only thing they seem to forget is that Alberta will not hold the country for ransom for years like Quebec has – we will just take our marbles and go home! Anyone who wants to come is welcome as long as you pledge to never vote Liberal!!!
The things Holland said were important – they did not spring from whole cloth. This is what is being mulled around inside the belly of the beast – he is just so obtuse, and so caught up in his new infamy as “pit bull”, he forgot who he was talking to. Refer back to Dion’s earlier statements about “easy money” and killing the “milk cow”.
The reason that they keep making those “mistakes” is that they reflect their fundamental view of the west – a resource colony of central Canada. Try as they might to pretend that has changed, it won’t and can’t. To do so is to relinquish what they believe is the birthright of Ontario and Quebec – power.
Have you checked the lib site Kate links to, (www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?type=news&id=12225), where Holland furiously spins?
I’m beginning to think that the lib party does not just have “a” mole, but a whole battalion!
Look at the banner: five “dead white males”. I’m not sure what message they intended, but the one coming across is loud and clear…
Hey! They changed the banner! We now have Dion worshipers!
(Caught in the filter, tweaked, and reposted – Sorry, Kate!)
Kate thanks for moving the Mark Holland story to the top I think this story is something that needs to get out. There is nothing in any of the newspapers that I could find not even the Edmonton or Calgary Sun, I think we need a letter to the editor writing blitz to the papers and to all the MPs asking about this to make it news.
I would like to provide some links but I have to go to work, but later today I will be sending some letters to these papers and to Bob Mills MP.
Keep up the great work Kate.
Caught in the filter -reposting without the link..
Have you checked the lib site Kate links to, where Holland furiously spins?
I’m beginning to think that the lib party does not just have “a” mole, but a whole battalion!
Look at the banner: five “dead white males”. I’m not sure what message they intended, but the one coming across is loud and clear…
Hey! They just changed the banner! We now have Dion worshipers! Anyone got a screenshot?
Holland was on Rutherford’s show on Friday.
He did the same thing, only worse.
Shovel, hole, dig. Deep. Very Deep
Rutherford ripped him a new one.
The fallout from this is going to be very interesting. The silence re the Holland rants from the MSM – most particularly from the Calgary Herald – is becoming rather loud.
Bryan R listed off the provincial liberal governments and commented that the federal liberals don’t care squat about AB. This is not really the case, I think.
It is all about maintaining central Canada control both economically/politically and they know full well that in order to do this – they need AB money. This can be done either overtly or out of the public eye.
AB has traditionally voted Con. federally – simply out of necessity to have some kind of a voice at the federal level. Traditionally the vote provincially has also gone conservative and anyone with political aspirations of power has known for decades that it is necessary to first of all be voted in as a Cons.
The result over time has been than while AB is publicly a conservative party, there has been a steady gain in terms of those who for many reasons could be(and often are behind the scenes) much more likely to be sympathetic to much of the federal Liberal legislation, policies, etc. – i.e. pink or even close to red conservatives. All of this became rather public during the course of the last provincial election.
The strength of liberals within AB is in the legal/judiciary/academic/more than a few Municipal politicians/and probably within the provincial bureaucracy as well. These elements combined with the financial elites exert the pragmatics of politics – regardless of the label of L. or C., and these pragmatics are very powerful.
Time will tell how all of this will shake out both provincially and federally.
More disdain for Alberta from our Eastern overlords:
When I was driving home on Thursday evening, I was listening to the CBC radio news (sic). The topic was the paucity of skilled construction workers available in Ontario and Quebec. The CBC reporter (sic) suggested, in a pejorative manner, that part of the problem was the “easy money” which is luring such workers to Alberta.
What a lack of imagination! And what utter crap. Has any panty-waist at the CBC any idea of what a journeyman construction worker does in a day? If the CBC idiots had a clue, “easy” money wouldn’t come into the discussion.
CBC? Morons.
I’d be interested to hear from any union leader what their take is on Mr. Hollands jibbish !! Would Mr.Buzz Hargrove like to update the Libs on the importance of keeping auto jobs in Ontario and oil patch jobs in the west !! Just wondering..
I was born and raised in Ontario…have lived in Saskatchewan since 1986. Our grown children have moved to Alberta. Great place to be. Alberta, run, run fast, run hard. The Liberals are “radioactve”! They want to destroy you! If you separate, my husband and I will move to Alberta and help you in your quest to leave this country behind. P.S…our friends in Ontario are appalled by Hollands comments. Liberal “hidden agenda”?…there it is!
Found a new word on another blog to explain the “language” that Lib leader speaks…it’s “Dionglish”…I loved it and wanted to share! Welcome back all,missed you!
Revdreams is right – and I speak as an easterner. I would rather see Canada break up than to return to the rule of the corrupt, socialist, social engineering gliberals.
The tar sands are already a socialist project they get over a billion dollars a year in welfare. The tar baby needs to be cut off from the federal teat.
When oil was first discovered in Alberta, the govt and the oil producers went east, to Bay Street and the banks for money to develop it. The answer was a big NO. They thought it was no big deal, would never amount to anything and the big money guys would not invest in the future. So, these people went south. Millions were invested by americans willing to take a chance. Remember the social credit funny money. If the eastern buffoons (liberals) would have invested in Alberta, things would be vastly different. Now, sending oil to the americans, Mr. Holland, wake up. It is their oil. Remember when oil companies sent dividends to foreign owners out of profits. Libs thought buying the companies from the foreigners would be a better idea. Now, they didn’t have to send dividends, that money would stay in canada blah, blah, blah. Trouble was, instead of dividends, (paid out of profits) canada had to send interest payments and principal payments, and these meant borrowing money. Petrocan cost Alberta big time. Many small service stations had to close, gas stations closed, jobs lost. Stations had to convert to petrocan, build new facilities, put in new pumps etc. Then, petrocan left the field and was sold off. Those business men/women were left high and dry. Several towns lost their only gas station. There are always polls out when gas goes up asking, how far would you drive to save a cent a litre. How about how many miles would you drive to get to a station as many in Southern Alberta have to do. What have the liberals ever done for the west instead of to the west, to get votes in toronto. We will not let them do to us what they did to the fishing and mining industries in the maritimes.
They can take their kyotology religion and shove it.
“The Canadian public won’t stand for intensity targets,” said John Bennett, executive director of the Climate Action Network, a coalition of environment groups. “They are nothing more than fakery. We have to have absolute caps.”
I love the way this fringe group assumes it knows what Canadians want. Maybe the moonbats will someday figure out their welfare state is dependent on oil, gas, forestry, mining and fishing.
Bennett and her ilk are completely removed from reality. I do hope, though, she and Dion keep pushing for Kyoto “compliance.” That may be the final piece of the majority puzzle.
IMHO, Canadians want a reasonable attempt to reduce emissions, provided actual pollution is reduced too. Imagine sequestering CO2 and letting carbon monoxide spew into the environment. How about artificial trees?
ET, you were bang on last week – Dion wants to take money from Alberta and give it to Quebec.
Did anyone notice Holland said nothing about the Ontario auto industry and Quebec hydroelectricity? If he did then maybe TorStar and their cohorts would actually have noticed, instead of the nonsense they did post today.
Look for IPCC actual report this Monday, where it will be clear that only worst-case, non-model supported scenarios have been presented. Now we are looking at “irreversible” climate change. What utter stupidity.
Hidden agenda?
It is always front and centre- appease quebec – take the izzy money from Alberta.
Steady Eddy, put up the firewall! get ready to separate.
FREE THE WEST
I see an effective election ad in the Conservatives’ future.
What you folks are witnessing in the (albeit clumsy) comments of readers like Jose is the transformation of Alberta into our own home-grown “America”. Let the bashing begin!
In the mind of the left, it’s politically correct to hate, so long as the target of your hatred is percieved as “rich and powerful”.
Just another day at the office for the politics of envy.
There was not one word of change in his revised statement, just and attempt to make it sound a little more vague. He should realize his constituents want secure energy, and, apart fom some envious exceptions, are happy to see Albertans prosper in this endeavour.
This is all you need to know about Liberal-think on the Oilsands:
– “we’re going to say that you can not exploit, uh, that resource”
– “that you can’t basically go in there and pump it out as fast as you can and ”
– “give it to the Americans, uh, and”
– “sell out our national interests and,”
– “blow apart our emissions targets”
I might have been young and naive in 1982 with NEP but I’m older and a little smarter now as Dion prepares to implement GEP (Global Environmental Policy). This time Albertans will be on to them way before the politicians clink their champagne glasses.
It took a lot less than this to start the 1776 American Revolution.
I’m with JLC on this. I was born and raised in Ontario and continue to live here. What the Libs are proposing is tantamount to the nationalization of the oil/gas industry. I too would rather see this country break up than see this happen.
Did Dion take his lessons from Hugo Chavez?
i just listened to Fri. Rutherford with Mark Holland. I can see why Rutherford gets his BP up as Holland did not shut the F***up long enough to even answer a question. He is like that blonde mouthsmith & ruby dhalla they all went to the same training class. Just ramble on never concede keep talking don’t answer a question.
Typical Liberal Bantor
Same. I live in Ontario as well. Although the Liberal hate machine is directed at Alberta, it’s not just Alberta’s war.
It’s time to get the lead out.
In the mind of the left, it’s politically correct to hate, so long as the target of your hatred is perceived as “rich and powerful”.
That’s because if you are rich it was stolen from the people.
“You have to force them to do it.” …-
Ottawa Citizen | Report prompts a question of ethics
As scientists forecast a future of storms, droughts and rising oceans, the only climate questions left are moral: Have Canadians the moral right to drive a car to work? To keep homes toasty in January? To trim lawns with power machinery?
But that’s theory. Practice threatens to be different if it means forcing people to give up cars or electricity.
“There will be resistance,” he said, and how much resistance depends on how good a job governments do of communicating the risks of not acting to voters. …-
“You have to force them to do it. Either you have to put a higher price on gasoline or you have to issue ration coupons, and people trade them,” he said.” …-
There is only one solution to the pigheaded obstinacy of hoi polloi. We, the socialist-fascists, must save them. Lenin-Stalin-Mao Stlong said so. …-
Marx & Friends in their own words
“Let them shoot on the spot every tenth man guilty of idleness.” – V. I. Lenin … “Merciless war against these kulaks! Death to them!”
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Not being prejudice or anything it may just be me, but whenever i listen Dion speak in parliment he sounds like Jim Hansens Kermit the frog, Now when he stumble bums around with footinmouth he reminds me Inspector Clouseu.
Again, it’s about votes. Power for the Liberals. The Liberals are still operating in the mindset of a generation ago, when Canada’s economic and population base was Ontario-Quebec, with equal populations of 4 million each and the rest of Canada with nothing. So, gov’t was centralist and focused on Ontario-Quebec.
That’s over. Quebec’s population is stagnant and its economy is stagnant, due to the repressive force of its unions and its focus only a high cost socialist lifestyle. Ontario’s population is double that of Quebec. And – the West has emerged as the population and economic powerhouse of Canada.
BUT – we’ve set up a political problem. Quebec has 75 seats in parliament. BC and Alberta together now have the SAME population as Quebec, but only 64 seats. The other problem is that we’ve allowed a provincial party, elected only by Quebecers, to move into the federal legislature. The Bloc has become the ‘natural governing party’, the default party of Quebec.
These two serious flaws means that, first, any federal gov’t, to get even a minority, must take seats in Quebec. And second, that it must take seats from the Natural Governing Party of Quebec, the Bloc. Since Quebec operates in an isolate socialist cocoon, with its expensive lifestyle paid by the ROC – it means that you have to offer Quebec Lots of Money to get them to vote for you.
Where will the money come from? Alberta.
Why? Because, as has been pointed out, a socialist lifestyle is expensive; and, it rests on a belief in ‘spreading the wealth’. The wealth naturally comes from the hard work of ..Albertans. And, as a socialist ideology, you MUST take from the wealthy and give to ‘the poor’, ie, to Quebec.
Notice the transformation in semantics in Holland’s rant.
He uses terms such as ‘exploit the oil’ – rather than ‘extract the oil’.
‘Give it to the Americans’ – rather than sell it to the Americans and whoever will purchase it.
And the result, is not the production of wealth, but, ‘selling out our national interests’.
‘National interests’ has become ONE interest only. To hell with the economy. Canada has only one interest – ‘our emission targets’.
What about ‘measures that were already working’. Does he mean that Liberal measures that were increasing our emissions by over 24%?
By the way – has anyone pointed out to Holland and Dion, that if the gov’t moves in, and like Chavez, nationalizes Alberta’s resource industry, then, no-one will pay for Quebec’s socialist lifestyle?