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That’s the statement by Liberal MP Mark Holland in an interview with Charles Adler a few moments ago. I will get a link to the audio when I can – and would very much appreciate it if someone would volunteer to write up a transcript of the portion of the interview in question and forward it to me via email.
UPDATE: Unofficial Transcript
-special thanks to regular reader, Bruce.
(note – corrected from earlier version)
Adler opens the segment by playing a clip of Peter Sellers acting as Inspector Clousseau (how fitting when it comes to Mark Holland, MP) and then intro’s the piece by referring to a listener’s email which states that the Liberals are prepared to ruin Canada financially (by restricting the oil sands development) and then stating that Mark Holland says that it is a good Canadian sacrifice to save the planet.
Holland: And all of a sudden the polls turn around and he (referring to Harper) says he believes it.
Adler: So you’re saying he’s a convert now.
H: Well I don’t think he’s a convert at all, I mean, look at, they’re looking to take the oil sands and multiply production anywhere from four to five times, um, and if you take a look at what that’ll do to greenhouse gases. I mean, forget about meeting Kyoto targets, we’re going to be above where we are today.
A: Yeah, but there’s all sorts of , there’s all sorts of technology that will sequester the stuff, or suppress it or whatever you want to call it. you know, pound it down into the ground Mark, the way the Conservatives want to pound you.
H: Take a look at the energy that~Rs required to extract it from the ground, uh, even, there’s a report, now when we look at it, it’s gonna require something like 20 nuclear reactors at 600 megawatts in order to just provide the power necessary for THREE times the existing capacity.
A: So, would a Liberal government ban that from happening?
H: Well, what I think what we would do is that we would manage that resource responsibly and we would.
A: No no, hang on, hang on, what does that mean.
H: Well that would mean, in my opinion, we need to stabilize the oil sands, we need, we don’t need to be multiplying them times five.
A: You mean taking less stuff out of the sands is what you’re saying?
H: Exactly, using it responsibly, over a protracted period of time, making sure that we can actually meet our international commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
A: So would Stephane Dion in a campaign go on record and say that , uh, we are not going to allow the energy companies in Alberta to take as much out of the sands as they plan to take out?
H: Yeah, I think what you~Rre going to be seeing is, we’re going to say that you can not exploit, uh, that resource, that you can’t basically go in there and pump it out as fast as you can and give it to the Americans, uh, and sell out our national interests and, blow apart our emissions targets. I mean, the reality is that, that the Conservative government doesn’t believe one iota in climate change – that this is, this is a shell game, that the only thing they have done is re-introduce measures that were already working. I mean, they’ve wasted a year, re-introduced programs that were already in existence and they brought them back, um, in many cases, much weaker than they were previously.
A: Alright, got one question for you, have you put a price tag on all this altruism?
H:Well, I think that we’re going to see , um, the most comprehensive platform.
A: No no, not platform, have you put a price on how many jobs you’re going to kill off with this idea?
H: Well what we do know is that, um, there was a report done in Great Britain, saying that if we act now, as nations across the world, that it will cost us what, roughly one percent of global GDP, that if we wait 20 years it will cost us 20 times GDP, in other words, this fallacy that it’s going to cost us jobs and cost our economy is just that, it’s a lie, that the reality is that, if we put it off, it will cost us 20 times more in the future, so we’re going to be judged very harshly by future generations.
A: Mark Holland, letting it all out of the bag. Mark Holland is a Liberal Member of Parliament, letting it out of the bag that a future government, a government under Stephane Dion’s Liberals, would be ordering energy companies to just simply stop it, to put their plans on hold, because if it costs too much energy to get it out of the ground, to get it out of the oil sands, if it doesn’t meet Kyoto standards,so be it.
The segment will be available in the archives at CJOB at around the 40 minute mark at 2pm, February 1.
Something tells me Mr. Holland is about to be thrown under a bus. And not by an Albertan.
Flashback – I told you so.
So NOW who has the “secret agenda?”
Feb 3 Update: Fallout beginning? Bourque has this tonight:
Senior Dion Libs are telling Bourque that the MP Mark Holland’s shocking comments about the Party’s secret plans to socialize Alberta’s oil sands industry have caused the Party significant negative impact in the West at a time when the Liberals are desperate to build support for their cause across the land. Indeed, Holland was said to have spent a significant part of the day today cobbling together some semblance of a rationale to soothe over the scar left by his iambic utterings emitted on an open-line radio show yesterday, the gist of which was re-hashed by Charles Adler in an exclusive text for Bourque last night. Add to that one Dion kool-aid drinker, who noted by email, “Pierre, it’s one thing for Stephane to unleash our pit bulls, it’s another for the mutt to tripod a squirt on Alberta”. According to another source inside OLO, there’s a small chance Holland may be demoted from his current critic’s gig. One wonders why.
Jose,
I thought you visit catnip liberal blog now and have given up on SDA?
That was a quick conversion.
enough
Jose,
Those tax breaks you speak of, they are a tax DEFERRALS not avoidance. They get to depreciate the assets quicker with expediated rates. Once those tax pools are gone – tax time. The only way to continue with the pools is spend more of their own money.
You do seem to neglect it ws also their own money in the first place, no direct handouts, and the money spent generating work (easy money per you fearless leader) and technology is Multi-BILLION dollar tab.
Does that meant their is no work to be done regarding CCA rates or royalty rates or technology requirements to improve the current situation, of course not.
So flippant remarks about what will be/is a Major Canadian economic driver don’t contribute one iota to a discussion you tell us the most important of our time.
Hey Kmn.
A little news flash for you! Communism didn’t work.
Playing victim politics again, how tiring, maybe the rich got there by working hard and personnel sacrifice.
Something you would know nothing about I’m sure.
Citoyen Dion, citizen of France, would send/deploy les climate gendarmes to Alberta. Climate “abuse” is now a crime; you are an abuser of “Earth”.
This is not fiction. The dream-nightmare of the Comintern, aka Communist International, is upon us. Keep your powder dry. …-
Global warming report builds support for world environmental body
Fear of runaway global warming pushed 46 countries to line up Saturday behind France’s bid for a new environmental body that could single out – and perhaps police – nations that abuse the Earth….-
cnews
Re Max2 comments about not being able to drive etc. Those that doubt these bans are coming if you elect liberals, remember that at one time one could smoke, one could eat what they wanted to, a family was a man, woman and children.
Today special interest groups have had various ideas that they wanted to force on all humanity, and politicians, eager for votes, gave in to them. They have tried to duplicate Henry Ford and his idea, to improve their lives, not cdn lives as a whole.
There are already problems in Mexico re corn and ethanol. Americans have a huge financial interest in our oilsands in AB. You can’t move them to the US, but, all auto industry jobs can be moved out of Ont. Manufacturing jobs have been moved out of Ont. Financial jobs have been moved out of Ont.
Toronto voters better wake up, Alberta will separate, and prosper. Ont will see many of their jobs go to the US or other countries. Better think before you cut off your nose to spite your face. And Quebec, time for you to support yourself. I don’t think Chirac will send you any money.
It is time to STAND UP FOR CANADA, NOT THE LIBERALS.
What can we do?
J. Shaw of Shaw Cable has recently discontinued payments into a “dues paying fund” of the CRTC – something like $4M per month (I would have to verify this but it is substantial) – until he gets some answers about where all this money is going. Apparently 37% of this fund is going directly to the CBC. B. Oda is taking note but so far is not responding.
Employers in the West can simply withhold remitting federal and provincial income tax from all employee pay cheques – until we get some answers about just how much of the speculated equalization payment is going to Quebec and where it is coming from.
Those making quarterly remittances to Revenue Canada can just “forget” to mail them in.
We (Indiv & corp) can just “forget” to submit our next income tax return. The power really rests in the hands of those who cut the cheques.
Of course this would have to be pretty much a huge majority “do it” kind of thing. Illegal, you say. About now – who really gives a damn. Is it doable – I believe it just might be.
The P.Q. Law 101 is unconstitutional – but this has no meaning. I choked as I read somewhere that P.Q is actually advertising that this is a good place for Anglophones to come. For starters, repeal this law plus allow English-only schools on demand and you might have some listeners.
I’ve posted this article before, I’ll post it again:
Alberta is already spreading the wealth
Any discussion of ‘redistributing’ the province’s petrodollars to correct fiscal imbalances is misguided
PRESTON MANNING AND FRED KERR
As the premiers and the federal government discuss fiscal imbalances and equalization, one hears increasing references to Alberta’s burgeoning petroleum revenues and suggestions that Ottawa should somehow involve itself in “redistributing” such revenues more equitably across the country.
In 1980 — the last time the federal government acted on such advice after the OPEC-engineered oil price hike — the results were politically and economically disastrous. Confiscatory taxes imposed on the industry in Canada almost killed the goose that was laying the golden egg. Oil-patch investment and jobs fled the country. Western alienation came within a hair of being transformed into full-blown western separatism.
And the Liberal government responsible for the so-called national energy program destroyed its electoral prospects in much of the West for more than two decades.
The Harper government obviously has no intention of repeating such mistakes. And there would be less misguided pressure for it to do so, if the public were to better understand the following facts:
1. Albertans’ per capita contribution to equalization is by far the highest in the country.
The federal government collects consumption, income and other taxes from individuals and corporations across Canada. Naturally, it collects more revenue in provinces whose economies are vigorous than it does in provinces whose economies are weak. Ottawa then redistributes significant revenues to the governments of less affluent provinces through the equalization program, to enable them to provide social services to their people roughly equivalent to those available in the rest of the country.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty cites the $23-billion net federal fiscal contribution made by the people of Ontario, and argues that this is excessive. But, for 40 years (even when oil prices have been low), Albertans’ net federal fiscal contribution per person per year has been more than triple that of Ontarians.
Any suggestion that Albertans have not been contributing their fair share to equalization and should be contributing an even higher percentage is itself unfair.
2. The benefits of the current boom in the petroleum sector are already distributed far more broadly than most people think.
In 2006, $108-billion in revenue will flow into the petroleum sector in Canada as a result of record high oil prices.
The portion of this revenue that is most visible to the public — because it is most frequently mentioned by the media and the politicians — is the portion that flows into the coffers of the Alberta government. In 2006, this will amount to almost $20-billion — about $14-billion in royalties, $3-billion in taxes, and $3-billion from the sale of drilling rights.
But what about the other $88-billion? The Canadian petroleum industry will send about $5-billion to Ottawa in federal income taxes in 2006 and another $2-billion to $3-billion to the treasuries of other hydrocarbon-producing provinces such as British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland. It will spend $11-billion on debt and equity financing charges, and another $23-billion on administrative and operating expenses.
And then there is the big ticket item — capital expenditures.
Conventional oil and gas wells start declining from the moment they come on stream. Typically, a new gas well’s production declines around 30 per cent in the first year. As a result, the industry must drill an ever-increasing number of wells just to keep production flat, let alone grow it. Oil-sands plants are even more capital intensive. This means that much of the capital generated by conventional and oil-sands production must be reinvested in further development. Thus, in 2006, the industry will commit more than $40-billion to capital expenditures — everything from rigs and mining equipment to chemicals and pipes — much of which is made outside Alberta, notably in Ontario.
Finally, there is the stream of dividends and distributions paid to investors in Canada’s petroleum sector — about $6-billion in 2006. The ownership of today’s industry is structured quite differently than it was in the 1980s — with many energy producers having organized themselves into royalty and income trusts. The majority of these are owned by individuals, mutual funds, and pension funds based in Central Canada. When the Liberal government mused about rejigging the tax rules for royalty and income trusts, it was no coincidence that the loudest and most immediate protests came not from Calgary but from Toronto.
And then there are the capital gains recently enjoyed by Canadian energy investors, most of whom live outside Alberta. The energy sector, which, during the Nortel glory days of the high-tech boom, represented less than 10 per cent of the TSX index, today represents about 30 per cent. That’s a lot of wealth generation for a large number of Canadians right across the country.
The bottom line? While $20-billion of the $108-billion generated by the petroleum industry in 2006 will end up in the hands of the Alberta government, the remaining $88-billion is much more broadly distributed than most media commentators, politicians and Canadians think.
3. The investment of $100-billion in the oil sands will generate more tax dollars for the federal government than the Alberta government, and almost as many person years of employment outside Alberta as within the province.
A recent study by the Canadian Energy Research Institute highlighted the following facts: Conventional oil production in Canada is declining, underscoring the importance of oil sands as a vital source of North American supplies. In 2004, Alberta’s oil sands were recognized by the International Energy Agency, for the first time, as part of global oil reserves. This established Canada’s reserves as second only to Saudi Arabia’s, justifying Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s assertion that Canada is becoming an energy superpower.
But oil-sands development requires massive capital investment before anyone sees a dime of revenue. Producers need to delineate ore bodies, build processing facilities, and buy trucks and loaders or inject steam to coax the gooey stuff out of the ground.
The need for massive capital investment creates opportunities for investors across Canada and around the world. And all this capital investment creates thousands of jobs, for which Alberta alone cannot hope to supply the labour. Trades people, engineers and labourers are flocking to Fort McMurray from across Canada, including a large contingent from Newfoundland. Most of those workers pay Canadian taxes.
Many send a portion of their oil wages home to Corner Brook, Barrie or Moncton.
The CERI study estimated the impacts of $100-billion invested in oil-sands development over a 20-year period through to 2020.
Even if oil prices were to level off at half their current level, this investment will lead to:
6.6-million person years of employment, 44 per cent of it outside of Alberta. Of the 1.7-million person years of employment generated in Canada outside of Alberta, 1 million would be in Ontario alone.
Federal government tax revenues of $51-billion, making Ottawa (not Alberta) the largest recipient of government revenues generated by oil-sands development.
An interesting future study would be to compare the national distribution of benefits, including tax revenues generated for the federal government, from the development of an oil-sands plant in Alberta versus a hydro-power project in Quebec or a nuclear-power plant in Ontario. And if such a study showed — as it would — that the benefits from the hydro and nuclear projects were much more narrowly distributed than those of the oil-sands project, would the political and business establishments of Ontario and Quebec support federal intervention in the name of equalization to ensure a more equitable distribution? Not likely.
The above facts concerning the current and future distribution of benefits from the development of Alberta’s petroleum resources are not widely known. They are rarely even mentioned, let alone taken into account, in the debate on how to correct fiscal imbalances and reform equalization. It is high time they were.
Preston Manning, a former federal leader of the Official Opposition, is president of the Manning Centre for Building Democracy and a senior fellow of the Fraser Institute. Fred Kerr is a Calgary-based commentator and former institutional stockbroker specializing in the energy sector.
Source; Globe & Mail.
I don’t think that anyone in their right mind would like to kill the golden goose a second time – I certainly won’t put up with it. However, our recently elected premier has been strangely silent on the Income Trust effects and silent still on this breaking news thatpeople are talking above his head about provincial resourc development. I won’t jump to any conclusions right now, but i certainly will support a challenge to any federal political leader, including Harper, that Alberta owns these resources and the feds can keep thier grubby hands off! Needed to be said.
It is exceedingly amusing to see the vainglory of a group of people (Albertans), who most view to be about as accomplished as the Saudis are. You won a geological lottery, get over yourselves. It wasn’t so long ago that Alberta was a net recipient of Federal transfer payments and if you don’t properly manage your windfall, you might be again.
Natural resource development is the purview of the provinces, full stop. There can be demonstrated no envy of your resources in Ontario. It does not exist. What I would convey is concern over the manner of development. For example, in Ralph Klein’s response to Mr. Holland solicited by Adler, granted it was seemingly proffered post happy hour, he credited the oil companies with providing the momentum for environmental regulation, not governments. The corollary is that ANY effective environmental protection policy should be set by industry. Further, why not let industry set labour standards as well, in Klein’s words they’re “smart” and “know what they are doing”. These benevolent oil companies have, with Provincial sanction, utilized poor processing methods which return up to 30% of bitumen to the ground, this is not necessary. Additionally, the deleterious effect of the process on water and air quality is astounding. Now if they above arrangements occurred with government complicity, the royalty agreements do seem to have been written solely by the oil companies. In fact, the ultimate economic legacy of this incontinent development appears to have been ill-considered. Greed certainly appears to impair judgment. Do all oil rich jurisdictions have corrupted governance? The oil riches should serve Albertans primarily, I’m not certain they are.
Mark Holland is reflecting the secret agenda of the far left professor. We need to communicate his position on the oil sands to the tens of thousands of workers from Ontario,Newfoundland and Nova Scotia employed in oil sands construction and operations.
Unfortunately for national unity we are again hearing the refrain “Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark”.
Uh, Jose:
The term “tar baby” is considered racist in many
peoples eyes, especially among visible minorities.
Prior to the total banning of Thornton W. Burgess’ books in the classroom, the term was excised from the texts.
I thought you lefties were a little more circumspect than that.
Joebalonie: and what was Ontario then in the past, our mom? Do we have premission from Mom to do what we like, or do you support Federal interference in our resource development? If you want, we can insist that your vehicle manufacturers quit producing vehicles that need what we have to make ’em go, then everyone can go home happy.
Just-thinking:
“Natural resource development is the purview of the provinces, full stop.”
So explicit even a conservative can understand.
The Liberals are playing a power game, plain and simple. Dion knows the attention span of the public is short enough to allow him to keep scaring people right up to an election. The MSM knows it too (“when did you become convinced about global warming”).
Liberals don’t go to the bathroom without considering how many votes they can get. When they get back into power (if they do), they will become the biggest climate deniers out there.
They will say they read the full IPCC report and things are not quite so bad, assuming Liberals are in power. They will return to their dithering, politicizing ways.
The MSM will, of course, support them, accusing CPC of climate hysteria. Meanwhile, China et al will make a cesspool out of their backyards.
Push an issue, make ridiculous assertions and promises (read Dion’s article in National Post today), grab power and then do whatever they want. This Trudeauian power grab approach has worked in the past, and Libs assume it will again.
Problem: their leader is a twit who can’t communicate and can only be airbrushed for so long. In a way, I hope the Liberals get a temporary bump in the polls, for they will surely force an election. Then Harper and crew will hammer them on the hustings (smarter and more articulate leader, way more money, better organization). To win, the Liberals can’t possibly do the debates, they will have to stop them. Add Dion’s doctrinaire pass Kyoto at all costs (he puts forward a motion on Kyoto knowing full well it has already been ratified and he has no real intention of even trying implementation).
Bring it on – Kyoto is a one-trick dog who is trying to get the rest of us to roll over.
Dufus Dion had better keep his French citizenship. He may want a place to call home when the Old Boys in the Liberal Party decide he’s not the one for the job. Watch for it.
I’m always astounded at that “easy money” concept. My observation is that “easy money” is kinda like “cheap sex” and “free love”. There ain’t nothin’ cheap or free about it. FYI- don’t listen to a radio interview with Mark Holland while you are driving. It will cause you to be a threat to public safety.
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Joebaloni: So, what was the point of the lecture to Alberta … “It wasn’t so long ago that Alberta was a net recipient of Federal transfer payments and if you don’t properly manage your windfall, you might be again.” Mom lecturing us again? We don’t need smarmy lectures from Ontario, I’m from there sport and you still haven’t cleaned up after yourselves on your own environmental record. Why not butt out of our affairs and “stick to your knitting”, we’ll stay out of your face on how Ontario proceeds with it’s development. Everyone will be happy and there won’t be a family argument. When we hear that Mom (the federal Liberals) is musing on “managing” our resources for us, naturally as the kids, we don’t like Mom interfering with our paychecks, claiming to be better stewards of “Natural resource development is the purview of the provinces, full stop.” What would their “agenda” be by even speaking that way?
joeBaloni,
Funny you should say “There can be demonstrated no envy of your resources in Ontario” but later in your post you should write “Greed certainly appears to impair judgment”.
Sure no envy, I can see that.
From joebalognie:
“There can be demonstrated no envy of your resources in Ontario. It does not exist.”
Just how delusional can you be? Somewhere between the screaming headlines “Ralph bucks”, “Alberta now fueling the national economy”, “Economic power shifting to Alberta”, and “Alberta salaries now highest in the country” you have an envy, fear and paranoia that strongly exists in many Ontario hearts(not all) and most Quebecois that the upstart Albertans and their new found wealth and influence is a threat to the preferred national status quo. Its this large number of the Ontario population that can be repeatedly counted on to close their eyes, cover their ears and plug their collective noses and vote Liberal to keep things the way they should be. The Federal Liberals are keenly aware this paralysis, money in the bank.
“Greed certainly appears to impair judgment”
Is the greed for wealth any different than the greed for political power, both relentless and worth selling your soul for so to speak, the same duck!
It took a lot less than this to start the 1776 American Revolution.
Posted by: Richard Saunders:
Interesting that you used this example. I have said for years now that as America was England’s economic powerhouse. So too, is now Alberta to Ontario With the rest of the Canada‘s population in the same train out of jealousy. Of the hard work of others who did not wait for a corrupt government to change their lives or turn them into children. No wonder they have this mentality of beer & Popcorn. As one of their liberal creeds states
The tax revolt was just the last drop of the river of abuse if not the absolute sign of contempt by King George & his witless grudges for their aspirations or way of life. The greed of his Court. Even settlement was with held by the British. Right till the end old George could not believe Washington did not want to become a King of America. Which kinnda shows up this attitude ideology nicely. . The English Empire treated them like disposable garbage. Not equal citizens. Laughing at their pretensions. Blocking development.
Its now starting to look like a bad rerun. Only as Ontario as King with men like Dion with sharp teeth, ready to rend us alive. In order to slag us back into penury, if not impotent insignificance. Sorry Dion, history is against you with your kind of Aristocratic absolutism, left from the Courts of the French Sun King.
Most Americans at the time like Albertans only wanted recognition of their equal status as Englishmen. With representatives to parliament in Britain.
They never got it because the Crown could see where the power was shifting because of the economic dynamics.
Though not the same situation its instructive to see the parallels. Including the lack of real seats proportional to the population out West. The abuse of our farmers, the many insults if not outright invasion of provincial rights or territory. The lose of private property rights. The distain & outright hostility for the West in General & Alberta specifically.
Saskatchewan is just entering a recovery. This would kill any chances of growth. Which of course is their plan. As they did to the Maritimes.
This same mentality caused the American Revolution. Seems the Elites never learn. Along with the fantasy of Utopia is the glitter of gold for the chosen few. French or English. The survivors of the Family Compact.
Not only have we money but the will & means to leave. Leave we will with out hesitation. Any Loyalty has been burned away after two elections against us , 3 economic rapes. Lastly intrusion into our everyday lives like wher4e children in prison.
This will not happen slowly. Not in 10 years or twenty but within five. If not faster. Remember Alberta produces Twice the work out put of BC. With a million less people. Think long & hard on that.
Ponder as well just how deep the moral chasm now is between ourselves & the East. I am not surprised at Easterners comments here. Their as captive to this evil as the rest of us. The most fervent separatists to be found in Alberta where once Ontarians or East coasters.
I wonder when this happens when these folks are left unemployed by lefty libs? When they are forced to run back home . How will they feel to see there dreams are dashed by this French poodle with a messiah complex. For them or their children, now with no future?
Being a Quebecer he probably believes the lies that they are in fact the real economic powerhouse. This drivel has invaded the whole East.
I ask a rhetorical Question. After so many plots, cons, outright looting, forced social engendering. Purposely destroying parts of this Country for an entrenched banquet of criminal buffoons. Of all stations in life. Passing as politicians or Businessmen, lawyers, union leeches, the poverty industry, ( welfare corporations run by the same circles by this political mob) & sundry other agencies.
All with agendas from Karl Marx melted into French Imperialism, all stirred in the Ottawa kettle of Multicultural apathy. Why should we stay in the demented Dominion that mocks us, beats us, than throws even our farmers in jail.? Really, think about it. What has this Polity called Canada ever done but detest us with venom!!!
One last note. The silence about this is like a shroud over the dead on the MSM. This should be the biggest story in the Country. Not a peep in the MSM. This tells us more than anything else how where being played.
The sins of every generation sooner or latter catch them out. It may take centuries but it is inevitable like death. So too those of Nations.
I’m an Ontarian who envies Alberta’s prosperity and is not ashamed to admit it.
Low taxes, Conservatives in govt. all the time, cheap vodka, a can-do attitude, strong work ethic and tons of jobs for the taking, great skiing, big steaks, less crime and some of the best social indicators in N. America, clean air, laid-back people…This is the way all of Canada was supposed to be before Trudeau took out his economic wrecking ball.
My only problem with you guys is that you don’t have an ocean or Great Lakes-style beach out there…
Who wouldn’t be envious of Alberta?
Citoyen D-I-on has written the polemic cited below, shilling for Kyoto Mao Strong.
D-I-on uses “I” eight times. D-I-on uses “I call” eight times.
Is D-I-on an egotist? Is D-I-on a narcissist?
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Stephen Harper, build a carbon market now
STEPHANE DION, National Post
Published: Saturday, February 03, 2007
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=f6e75a9e-d6aa-4a60-a064-746f827506f7
ACE- we have the Redneck Riviera -Sylvan Lake where you can buy a cottage for a cool million for the two week summer.
Joe Balonia-name very appropriate-Alberta’s last equalization payment was 1964 – 43 years ago, it was single digit million. BC but a scant 5 years ago. Ontario qualified about 10 years ago and refused out of pride.The program has been going since 1957 , so Alberta has not qualified for 86% of the time, Ontario for 98% of the time , BC has not qualified for 92% of the time.
Alberta will not qualify after separation which will be different than the Quebec request. It is difficult to wean from the federal teat of 5.5 billion.
cal2,
http://www.town.sylvan-lake.ab.ca/images/gallery/marina-1-lrg.jpg
15km of freshwater lake, not quite as massive as Superior or Lake Ontario for us recreational boating types, but I like the looks of that.
And a million bucks is still cheaper than most places on the Lower Mainland or Vancouver Island…
Now if only we could convince people that “global warming” is a good thing, we could fix your two week summer problem. 😉
As I have stated many, many times before: ” It is not impossible to find a Liberal who doesn’t hate Alberta….it’s just highly improbable”
Borat’s little winged monkey has tipped over a can of weakly concealed Liberal worms.
Borat’s nattering about “controlling” an industie’s out put or profitability sounds like a sound track from one of uncle Joe Stalin’s nationalization of industry policies….but this bit about thinking the feds can use POGG power under some phoney global weather crisis to circumvent constitutional jurisdiction is the tsalk of foamy mouthed fools….like they have in Iran and Korea.
Time for Alberta to euthanize Borat Dion’s mad dog.
BTW: what’s up with Holland blurting out politically toxic policies like this on national radio??/ Has he got political Tourette’s or is this just genetic librano hubris?…or maybe they ave chanted the anti Alberta mantras secretly in caucus for so many years conditioning can’t suppress their contempt for an independent affluent politically dissenting Alberta.
WLM, it could be done in the name of Mother Earth and Sister moon, to save the planet. It could be done in the name of “social justice”, which basically means, stealing anything you want if you are sufficiently accomplished at making a reporter jealous of it.
Ace-My sentiments exactly!!!!!
You guys in Alberta are the envy of the ROC.
I’m retired and have grandkids that have parents who are still too wet behind the ears to understand their future could well be made in Alberta.If ever they did, we would move along with them and bring our pensions and investments along with us.
Leave Ontario to McGuinty and his merry band of
Socialists. The Lib$$ ass–les deserve everything
they have created.
I find it curious that Mr. Holland did not mention anything about the easy money in Ontario manufacturing and automobile plants – who also contribute CO2 to our environment. Of course, doing it that way would not pit the evil and nasty conservative Albertans against the “green” liberals.
The comment about the geological lottery is so far off base as to be asnine. But I really do like the sound of “The Republic of Alberta”.
Oh, Mr. Dion….who are you voting for in the French election?
I find it curious that Mr. Holland did not mention anything about the easy money in Ontario manufacturing and automobile plants – who also contribute CO2 to our environment. Of course, doing it that way would not pit the evil and nasty conservative Albertans against the “green” liberals.
I really do like the sound of “The Republic of Alberta”.
Oh, Mr. Dion….who are you voting for in the French election?
a while back i thought maybe adler was turning liberal. he did a damn good number on holland . too bad rutherford didn’t nail him a bit harder . we gotta get holland more air time . let the airheaded airbag blow his puffed up little head apart on this so more can hear the liberal hidden agenda.
uh oh chiracs leadin a charge
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070203/climate_folo_070203/20070203?hub=TopStories
If Alberta goes, so will BC. Then I predict that Saskatchewan will wake-up, oust the NDP for good and realize that they are immediately the next in line to be taken for all they are worth in terms of resource revenues. All of the rich western provinces need to get out together and get out before we realize our wealthiest years. The socialist Librano-voting easterners can cry crocadile tears as they watch us waltz into the sunset – the “gun-toting, Kyoto-hating rednecks” that we are (or so they like to brand us).
It’s time that they realized their haydays are over (manufacturing industries all centred in Ontario/Quebec) and the rise of the West is not for them to take from us – we care about property rights. We’ve waited our fair share and our time is about to begin. The feds (all of them) better tread carefully because the Western Provinces don’t bluff when we discuss separation.
These two articles (particularly the first one) are must-reads when refuting the hysteria of the global warming eco brain-dead.
It really frightens me to see how people I’d previously thought of as rational, thinking, sentient beings have swallowed this whole global warming hysteria. I mean, don’t you remember when this same crowd of enviro-doomcriers were shrieking in the ’70s that we were en route to a new ICE AGE, for crying out loud? And never forget these fools have the blood of millions on their hands for their bogus hysteria against DDT, the ban of which has killed more people in Africa due to malaria-related deaths than all the wars since WW II.
Global warming is a THEORY, not a fact, despite the media-induced hype. It’s nothing that can be proven in a laboratory through repeatable experimentation; it requires consensus of its scientific accoyltes as “proof”. This alone heaps incredible suspicion upon the whole “process” and the motives that lie underneath.
Good science doesn’t require consensus; it stands on its own. Newton’s laws are demonstrable to anyone with a modest lab or equipment, as are Ohm’s Law and others. In a more complicated arena, relativity, DNA, and numerous other scientfic phenomena are accepted as scientific fact without the need for a scientific leap of faith, or “consensus”. You don’t need to force researchers to agree, or castigate (or slander) equally intelligent researchers who question the process or the “theory” behind the consensus; this global warming groupthink smacks more of evangelism than science, truly.
And – typically – like any evangelical religion, apostates or unbelievers are ridiculed and cast out to maintain the faith.
Somebody postulated it was the collapse of the Iron Curtain that had all these idiot socialist democracy-hating liberals turn their focus towards the environment, and their devotion to the shrine of Kyoto promises to do more than they could ever have hoped for in their wildest dreams: bring the economies of the West to their knees in the guilt-ridden reparation payments to the developing nations.
And all the while, greenhouse gas emissions increase each day (assuming that this is truly a problem, of course).
Madness.
mhb23re
(email is above u/name at gm@il webmail service)
3w.americanthinker.com/2007/01/why_global_warming_is_probably.html
3w.americanthinker.com/2007/01/resisting_global_warming_panic.html
Maybe we need to get someone working on a “National Anthem” for Western Canada. I live in Saskatchewan but if Alberta decides to “go” I will definitely move West!
mhb, best anaylisis so far, this whole scam was designed by a scam artist, theif, liar, etc, maurice. Follow this scumbags history and it is unbelievable this prick is not locked away. Mark my words there will be murders soon of the nonbelievers these people have gone so crazy with our moronic medias help there can be no other route.
Sask is on the French citizen Dion’s radar screen, I think he has the rich oil and wheat fields of Sask. slated for Liberano ‘sustainability’ (if he were ever to be a French citizen Prime Minister of a foreign country named Canada – didn’t any of the French Citizen’s fan club ever read about Benedict Arnold?) The Big Belly Province of Kebec can run the show in Sask., he is thinking, because the Sask. pipples are already “Kebec type Socialists” and they will do anything to be ‘accepted’ by the sophisticated population of the East.
I lived in Sask and I know that the province has very rich oil sands – back in 1951 they capped a very rich deposit on my Mom and Dad’s place. Guess why? CCF didn’t want any rich farmers or oil workers in that province so they stopped the development of oil wells!! Prosperous people ( who actually earn a living by doing something productive and beneficial to their fellow man) do not vote socialist.
If I still lived in Sask. I would be looking to join Alberta via referendum in all constituencies that do not support the Dippers. Maybe spit the province N/S and get out while the getting is good. The original ‘plan’ was for Alberta and Sask to be one province; they are only two because the east feared the power of such a big province if it ever got rich! Don’t look to the Culvert to protect Sask from a socialist-path like French citizen Dion; Culvert is cut from the same cloth. He would fold like an accordion.
Just my thoughts should the unthinkable happen – that the Liberanos win the most seats in an election. I would never underestimate the blind stupidity of the E. block. It is best to be prepared.
If someone can put together some rational and not overly partisan arguments to counteract this:
http://www.tdhstrategies.com/2007/02/this-is-why-mark-holland-is-right.html
I’d be interested.
Quite frankly, I don’t care whether you visit or not…but as far as I’m concerned, this is a ridiculous line of reasoning now being shovelled by Kate et al.
Jonathan Ross: We are not shovelling a ridiculous line of reasoning, we are shovelling piles of that global warming, called snow.
The Liberals really need to cool thier jets with the “oil” rhetoric. We soon won’t be talking about Quebec separation but rather the West of parts of it. There is no way in the world that another interference in the style of the NEP will EVER be tolerated by Alberta. If the Liberals try it, well, you can kiss Canada as we know it goodbye.
There is nothing unusual in Holland’s statements. Liberals frequently tell the East a different story than they tell the West and the MSM usually ignores it. Holland was so enthralled with the chance to talk to the media he didn’t realize he was talking to a non Eastern listener and he knew it would be a TO/Montreal vote getter.
Jonathan Ross,
Natural resources are the exclusive jurisdiction of the provinces. That’s in the BNA Act. Read the f***ing constitution. End of debate.
In Ontario & Quebec, provincial governments “subsidize” the construction of auto plants, is that any different to Alberta relaxing the royalty regimes on oil sands extraction, in able to expand production of these sands. My point is thatthe posters yakking about sustaninable production of Alberta’s oil sands STILL want to control our province’s development, to Albertan’s detriment, using specious arguments. I would suggest to Steady Eddie, approach Ford, GM, Toyota, or Chrysler to build auto plants here in ALberta and compete with the ones in Ontario. Diversification of the centralized economy would be acheived, competition maintained and cheaper products for the consumer would also be a benefit.
Jonathan Ross posted: “If someone can put together some rational and not overly partisan arguments to counteract this:
“http://www.tdhstrategies.com/2007/02/this-is-why-mark-holland-is-right.html
I’d be interested.”
Lazy, Jonathan. Perhaps you might type a few words to summarize the content of the link you provided.
I detect a gliberal here: too young and self-referential to even know what a precis–pronounced PRAY-see–is, let alone be able to produce one, mere opinions and feelings being the chosen and much easier, no-brain path of resistance. Frankly, Jonathan, I think Kate’s a national treasure, as are most of the knowlegable and gutsy folks who post here.
BTW, Jonathan, what’s your reaction to the hardship WLM Redux and bartinsky–among thousands of other Albertans–suffered under PET’s NEP? That’s just one of a lot of questions you need to address here, rather than hiding behind the apron strings of a mere link–a link you say you don’t even care if people read.
Smarten up, young man!
Doubt French Dual Citizen Dion has ANY agenda let alone a HIDDEN one, they guy is LOST.
As for exhibitionist Holland, he’s toast, won’t get re-elected in his riding. Voters of any political stripe couldn’t be out of the loop enough to put that failure back in office.
He’s got to be one of the youngest Buffoons to hit the political arena in our history.
If tonight anyone not watching for the Ads on Super Bowl wants to barf, laugh or cry be sure to tune in to CTV rerun of QP and the interview between Oliver and Bob Rae. Gag at least.
I missed giggles and friends today. Going to Church on Sat night ruins my whole week. Thought it was Monday so never turned on the tv.