Kevin Vranes’ take on the American Geophysical Union;
To sum the state of climsci world in one word, as I see it right now, it is this: tension.
What I am starting to hear is internal backlash. Sure, science is messy and always full of tension between holders of competing positions, opinions and analyses. That has always been the nature of science, and of course extends to climate science. Tensions come out at meetings, on listservs, on letters pages, and in the press. But these tensions normally surround a particular paper, or a particular question. While much more broadly-based tensions have existed for years on the state of understanding on global warming, they haven’t really been tensions internal to the climsci community, but tensions between the climsci community and interested outsiders.
What I am sensing now is something much broader and more diffuse, something that has less to do with particular components of the science in the field and is much more about how the field is composing itself.
What I see is something that I am having a hard time labeling, but that I might call either a “hangover” or a “sophomore slump” or “buyers remorse.” None fit perfectly, but perhaps the combination does. I speak for (my interpretation) of the collective: {We tried for years – decades – to get them to listen to us about climate change. To do that we had to ramp up our rhetoric. We had to figure out ways to tone down our natural skepticism (we are scientists, after all) in order to put on a united face. We knew it would mean pushing the science harder than it should be. We knew it would mean allowing the boundary-pushers on the “it’s happening” side free reign while stifling the boundary-pushers on the other side. But knowing the science, we knew the stakes to humanity were high and that the opposition to the truth would be fierce, so we knew we had to dig in. But now they are listening. Now they do believe us. Now they say they’re ready to take action. And now we’re wondering if we didn’t create a monster. We’re wondering if they realize how uncertain our projections of future climate are. We wonder if we’ve oversold the science. We’re wondering what happened to our community, that individuals caveat even the most minor questionings of barely-proven climate change evidence, lest they be tagged as “skeptics.” We’re wondering if we’ve let our alarm at the problem trickle to the public sphere, missing all the caveats in translation that we have internalized. And we’re wondering if we’ve let some of our scientists take the science too far, promise too much knowledge, and promote more certainty in ourselves than is warranted.}
Read it all. Via Iain Murray, who also points to this BBC viewpoint by Mike Hulme, director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research;
What has pushed the debate between climate change scientists and climate sceptics to now being between climate change scientists and climate alarmists?
I believe there are three factors now at work.
First, the discourse of catastrophe is a campaigning device being mobilised in the context of failing UK and Kyoto Protocol targets to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide.
The signatories to this UN protocol will not deliver on their obligations. This bursting of the campaigning bubble requires a determined reaction to raise the stakes – the language of climate catastrophe nicely fits the bill.
Hence we now have the militancy of the Stop Climate Chaos activists and the megaphone journalism of the Independent newspaper, with supporting rhetoric from the prime minister and senior government scientists.
Others suggest that the sleeping giants of the Gaian Earth system are being roused from their millennia of slumber to wreck havoc on humanity.
Second, the discourse of catastrophe is a political and rhetorical device to change the frame of reference for the emerging negotiations around what happens when the Kyoto Protocol runs out after 2012.
The Exeter conference of February 2005 on “Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change” served the government’s purposes of softening-up the G8 Gleneagles summit through a frenzied week of “climate change is worse than we thought” news reporting and group-think.
[…]
Third, the discourse of catastrophe allows some space for the retrenchment of science budgets.
It is a short step from claiming these catastrophic risks have physical reality, saliency and are imminent, to implying that one more “big push” of funding will allow science to quantify them objectively.
We need to take a deep breath and pause.
More – The media’s lust for “climate porn”.
The real question is how many scientists and politicians will believe in global warming when gasoline is ten dollars a gallon.
Citoyen Dion: Don’t worry; Kyoto won’t bite you.
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Liberal crisis junkies
Toronto Sun
Wednesday, December 27, 2006
By LORRIE GOLDSTEIN
I always look forward to having the Liberal Party of Canada tell me what this year’s big crisis is.
This year, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion tells me it’s global warming.
Last year, then Liberal PM Paul Martin told me it was medical wait times.
More on that in a bit, but first, back to global warming.
While the Tory government is doing nothing about it now, the Liberals did, uh, nothing, about it for 12 years.
But I know global warming is important because Dion named his dog “Kyoto” …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759019/posts
Harper on the record:
In a year-end interview with CBC Newsworld’s Don Newman, Harper was asked yesterday whether his environmental views had evolved – specifically, whether he has ceased having doubts about the scientific evidence for global warming.
“I don’t think that fairly represents my criticism,” Harper told Newman. “I think my criticism was principally that the (Kyoto climate-change accord) targets were unreachable, Canada had taken on the most onerous targets in the world; I saw no evidence that there was a plan to meet them. … If anything in the last four or five years, the evidence has strengthened that we have to take real and substantive action.”
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/163817
Strange how everyone just skips over the last atmospheric crisis the hole in the Ozone layer that we averted from growing too much larger with the CFC ban when talking about past crisises.
Odd. I understood CFC molecules were about 5 times heavier than air- just how did they get way up there?
One major burning question that no climate change “chicken little” can ever answer for me:
How is it that I live in Saskatchewan, where millions of years ago Dinosaurs played around with palm trees and tropical plants that grew like weeds, and later on there was a mile thick layer of ice that covered it all, and then it melted, all while no human was there to cause it?
Jeff – what’s your address – I’d like to take my bullshit machine for a rip past your house.
The uninformed climate change morons forget the basic lessons we all learned in elementary school. First there were dinosaurs and tropical weather. Then there was ice. Then it melted.
THEN came the internal combustion engine, coal fired electricity generators, and all other evils that the lefties hate so much.
Lefties make me want to puke. Propaganda and hyperbole gets tiresome after so many years…
Goldstein is not exactly accurate when he says that the Conservatives have done nothing.
It seems to me there has been much activity, – for example, many, many consultations, three (at least) major conferences, the dangerous chemical policy, Ethanol policy, Transit policy, Clean air act.
This in the space of 10 short months.
Not exactly nothing.
Oh, Ya, and they saved us fron Kyoto.
Re Triple post: too much egg nog imbedded in my posting finger.
Jose said “Strange how everyone just skips over the last atmospheric crisis the hole in the Ozone layer that we averted…”
did we avert it, Jose?
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/oct/HQ_06338_Fianl_Ozone_2006.html
For those that are still unsure what to believe about global warming, please read this:
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/ci/31/i11/html/11vp.html
this one pretty good at cycles as well. Al Gore should read it.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
also shows that drought would be a result of global cooling. expanding glaciers badder than George Bush. badder than James Brown with a gun.
badder than anything whitey does around Al Sharpton.
Kate, meet me in the bathroom, I gotta tell you something.
Ready?
OK: I think Jeff likes you.
Its rather easy forAL GORE to urge us all to live a more eco-frendly life while he lives in the lap of luxery i mean i,ll bet he dont have a hybrid and his planes dont work on rubberbands i mean AL GORE is a big time hypotcrit
Metrosexual Jeff sed:
i’m pretty good with the whole html thang actually.
Good. ‘Cause it looks like your blog has been hijacked.
I’ve said my peace about most of the Kyoto B.S. before, however despite innumerable posts asking this question, I’ve yet to get an answer from the Kyoto fans. It’s a simple scientific question, can be answered yes or no so here goes. According to the IPCC reports which are the basis of the Kyoto treaty, did the “little ice age” occur or not occur? I continue to await this most illuminating answer.
I saw a list somewhere over the last week that listed Al Gore’s movie An Inconvenient Truth as the “Scariest Movie” of 2006!
The scary thing is that Theresa Hines’ wind up dildo could make a movie that anybody would watch!
Too funny……a pseudo-photographer lecturing everyone on the “science” of “global warming” or “climate change” or whatever the hell the high priests of UN bafflegab are calling it these days. And Jose, you’d better get up to speed on your ozone hole theory….that’s another one that’s in the toilet. What a joke you clowns are.
That’s what I love about this place. Put a post up, drive to Regina and back to pick up a dog, and nobody notices I’m even gone….
Jeff,
Qualified to speak as an expert – and having visited your site – what you call photography would not earn you a passing grade in high school. In fact, the only thing that sucks worse than your ‘photography’ is your continued failure to access what could be loosely referred to as your brain. Obviously one effects the other.
dearest irwin daisy,
thank you for taking the time to visit my website. how disappointing to learn that you did not find my images compelling.however, i am so moved by the craft that i must continue regardless of how much it may suck.
i would be very interested in seeing some of your work. perhaps there is some record of it online somewhere? will you let down your cloak of anonymity for only a moment?
i live in toronto and my family maintains a membership at the ROM where some of your work is displayed. i would love to view it next time we visit.
once again, thanks for your interest in my work. i look forward to learning more about yours.sincerely – jeff davidson
Jeff and Jose started it……I know,iknow…go to my room and no gameboy…..*sigh*
Syncro
thanks missauga matt, problem solved. feel free to visit me at where’d that bug go?
Now I know where all the dumb kids hangout.
LMAO Kate
But you have to admit thats not much of a drive.
Jeff
Yer in TO? Now i never wood have figered dat.
Syncro
The biggest joke about Jeff is that he links his blog to his business site. Learn about the scary guy you were thinking about hiring.
Say Jeff, “Mr. Responsible”, how about responding to…..
ltr@11:21pm
“I have worked with the climate change modellers, and they admit their models do not fit past, let alone future trends of climate change.”
Backhoe@5:01am
“The Sun is the master controller of weather, here, and elsewhere.
And unless you can find the thermostat on the Sun and turn it down, there’s not a dam thing anyone on Earth can do about it.”
Jeff, et al – this is venturing off topic. Take it private.
Jeff: “dear anon, i figure my opinions on climate change are as valid as kate’s. why trust a dog trainer/goalie mask painter over a photographer?”
By that reasoning then, here’s my two bits worth. I too am a photographer, a member of the Professional Photographers of Canada (why haven’t you joined, btw?), a Master of Photographic Arts, a Fellow of the Professional Photographers of B.C. and an Honourable Life Member of PPOC.
I guess then, that my opinion should trump Jeffs.
Nonetheless, I am highly skeptical of the whole ‘global warming’ thing, which due to it’s unproveable nature has morphed into ‘climate change’. Climate change is of course, a fact – the climate is in a constant state of change. Always has been, always will.
In the 60’s it was Silent Spring and pollutants. In the 70’s it was global cooling and the New Ice Age. Also in the 70’s, it was overpopulation and our inability to feed ourselves. In the 80’s, acid rain and the ozone layer. Now of course, it’s ‘global warming’ due to emissions.
All of these things to a degree (no pun intended) revolve around socialist principles, the redistribution of wealth and a means of reining in capitalism. My bet is that in another decade, ‘global warming’ will prove to be yet another ‘false god’ of the left and they’ll be back to nuclear proliferation (insisting the U.S. disarm first) or some such flavour of the day.
Well said Randy. I rember the “Population Bomb” scare of the seventies. Crisis is the fundamental (OOPS starting to sound like PMPM) tool of socialists.
Non-denominational diety forbid we should fend for ourselves.
Syncro
jeff” the emulsion burner and polluter of waterways with silver ” davidsons blogspot.
http://wheredthatbuggo.blogspot.com/
take it here. he could use the postings.
Randy at 4:19…You said it!
Very interesting posts and so much food for thought.I gotta agree that Kyoto’s a scam along with all the other interchangable handles climate change has been given since its immaculate conception.
Lets see now there’s global warming (naw that one won’t do) …it has a finite time frame about it…yaaa we need something that’s not constrainted…no time frame …can grow with the the hypothesis…Hey what about global warming…hmmm that’s not bad but we need more marketing impact …something that strike a chord of fear in those dumbf**ks hearts and makes them hand over their $$.Well what about Climate Rape?
Y’know I think we’re onto something now!
AFY Jeff
You got broadsided and good for having the gall to venture onto this site with your ego in your hand and your brain stuffed up your a*s.
An appology to Kate is in order and try to be a little more accomodating next time and you just might have a more pleasurable time here.
After all the company’s good !
In a hundred years from now, they will think this was all Millennial hysteria. Based not on traditional Religion. But the many variants of new age thought. It cults dictated &, infused with nature worship.
I just say to eviroloons. Y2K. Where did the billions go? Than ask yourself where they would then go if we where insane enough to go along with this madness.
To foreign powers where barely on speaking terms with, if not at war, while destroying our industry. Meanwhile giving them a free pass to pollute to their hearts satisfaction. We pay though the nose for their malfeasance. Another leftie cultural suicide ideology of absurdity. A world form of transfer payments with no accountability to totalitarians. Only a leftie could be so blind. These leeches would even stop the production of native recourses here. Including independent energy. Oh how they love monopoly, yet revile the successful ones who are individuals, not collectives.
Why are we allowing enemies to decide domestic policy? I thought in a democracy it was its citizens? Not unelected Judges, scientists or other groups with their political or military agendas. Particularly outside powers.
Global warming has nothing to do with humans. It never has , so why now. Funds, research funds, for scientists locked out of the ever dwindling gravy train, of tax monies. Is the final answer. Eventually there will be an end to this’d ice age where still in Naturally. So why cry chicken little now?
Harper is right. We need to face real environmental problems like our water tables. Air pollution in Urban areas. Chemical seepage into our animals & water ways. These we can remedy. Lets work on actuality, not a scientific, media wet dream computer program.
I agree with one poster here that said we need alternate sources. Not only because where paying for our own execution from those people we have been buying from. Than them using those funds to undermine our civilization.. They are insufficient for our technological needs as well. We need growing room outside the Earth. With today’s energy , its too expensive for a real payback in materials.
Besides if we find cheaper energy means it benefits the world much more than our economic collapse would. Trying to carry out a plan that would in effect, if all went perfect, 1% of the greenhouse supposed gases would go!!! Nutty as a fruitcake in my opinion.
This is hysteria of the worst kind propagated by scoundrels & wastrels like David Suzuki & his other co-religionists of the Church of the Mother Goddess. Hard science, indulging in fornication with the CBC for leftist liberal consumption. To promote the latest fad of the year. Its shameful & frankly if the UN is involved probably immoral. I wonder how many ad agencies are poised for the Climate game?
Lets concentrate on problems that exist now. Not in a computer simulation !!!
I think the term Climate Porn is right on the money!
The Leftstream Media is pandering to the stupid and uninformed on matters across the entire spectrum of public interest and fools like Jeff and Jose are sucking it up like empty sponges …give your head a squeeze somewhere else little boys..
This thread is stretched almost to its limit, but I want to get my 2 bits worth onto it.
I practiced one of the hard sciences (geology) for 35 years so, like most of the folks posting here, I’m well aware of the randomness of climate change and everthing else associated with earth science. However, I’d like to draw attention to some evidence of very recent (i.e. in historic time) climate change that I saw with my own eyes in Morocco and Yemen.
I examined two ancient mine workings where there had oviously been timber for smelting (slag heaps still there) and enough water to do some primative concentrating (tailings still there).Obviously, the climate was temperate but, both sites are now surrounded by desert.
The mines were active in the early Islamic period – probably sometime between 800 and 1200 AD. What could have caused such a radical climate change in about a millenium? The population of the entire earth when the mines were worked wouldn’t have exceeded 300 million, so how did they generate the requisite CO2 to drive the climate change? Campfires? Camel farts?
Food for thought.
Globe and Mail has a new poll up:
If the unusual weather patterns observed in much of Canada this fall and winter are a byproduct of global warming, do you believe the change is caused mainly by natural events or human activity?
Natural events
376 votes (35%) 376 votes
Human activity
690 votes (65%) 690 votes
Total votes: 1066
climate change is a prerequisite. otherwise it would be just called temperature
all over the earth are abandoned cities are lying in the middle of deserts or in the middle of jungles. cities like Brugges fell into decline as the river course moved. The Thames was once a tributary to the Rhine until the English channel was cut by glaciers.
all of this predates the “modern era”
Zog
My uneducated guess is….camel farts.
Syncro
Derek from Saskatchewan:
I couldn’t agree more! I too can not get an answer as to what caused the globe to warm and cool in a major way three times in the last 900 million years. Unfortunately some of the dinasours that were roaming around Canada in the last tropical period suffered extinction except in Ottawa where several survive today.
We are leaving the last ice age and are entering a period of warming again. Can we slow these cycles down? Probably, by about one week!!
In several million years you will again be able to grow bananas in Saskatchewan.
The science behind climate change is questionable and the rhetoric is BS.
The concept of peak oil is as faulty as when the idea was first raised in the mid 1970’s that the world would be out of oil by 1999.
I am however still convince that we do have to reduce our reliance on imported petrolem energy in western nations. This dependence drains our economies of money and sends it to rogue regimes around the world.
I doubt very many people will dispute the fact that most of the muslim terrists have been financed from oil money. I want to see their shouts of death to America, death to Britain, death to Canada silenced through economic measures.
Please continue to question the morals of scientist who use the climate change agenda as a light cover for their efforts to increase funding to their operations.
I do however hope that we do not lose sight of the real threat to society. It is not global warming, it is energy security.
“did we avert it, Jose?
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/oct/HQ_06338_Fianl_Ozone_2006.html“
Yes we did by enacting the global CFC ban. The article at that link confirms as much.
John Luft “And Jose, you’d better get up to speed on your ozone hole theory….that’s another one that’s in the toilet.”
Really? Please tell us how you came to that brilliant conclusion.
The quote from Maurice Strong is his plan for the destruction of Western civilization; your destruction.
The evil genius of Maurice Strong; incredible, but, true.
Maurice Strong’s evil drove Bill Rodgers to suicide. “Two weeks after his arrest, he put a plastic bag over his head and suffocated himself.” In his own words, he returned to Earth.
Maurice Strong has a plan for you; your extinction, aka your murder.
Maurice Strong is a murderer.
Quote:
Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring about?
Maurice Strong
The Onion
Green Rage
excerpt:
“the rape of the planet.
Consider the story of Bill Rodgers. He was forty at the time of his arrest, making him the oldest of those indicted in the Operation Backfire investigation. Authorities describe him as a ringleader in the group of arsonists—they say he served as a sort of mentor to Gerlach, for one. Police arrested him last December at the modest bookstore and community center he ran in Prescott, Arizona. Two weeks after his arrest, he put a plastic bag over his head and suffocated himself.
In a farewell letter, he wrote, “Certain human cultures have been waging war against the Earth for millennia. I chose to fight on the side of bears, mountain lions, skunks, bats, saguaros, cliff rose and all things wild. I am just the most recent casualty in that war. But tonight I have made a jail break—I am returning home, to the Earth, to the place of my origins.”
Here’s what activists like Rodgers believe: They believe we face a crisis of mass extinction, caused by civilization. They believe the atmosphere is being spoiled, the climate pitching on the verge of ruinous change, because of civilization. They believe our bodies are being poisoned and so are our spirits, by civilization.
They’ve considered the state of the planet and they’ve decided against some hopeful half-critique. They’ve looked all the way down into the pit and, rightly or wrongly, come to the conclusion that the whole damn thing is undeniably, irretrievably messed up. The government is wrong, mainstream culture is wrong, the tokenist sellout environmental community is wrong, civilization itself is wrong.
The green anarchists are historical determinists, as are Marxists and Christian fundamentalists. Their worldview is based on more, though, than extrapolations of weighty political treatises or divinations of holy texts. It is based on the work of scientists such as E. O. Wilson and Jared Diamond and respected, peer-reviewed biologists and climatologists and ecologists the world over whose work suggests that human activity is having a calamitous effect on the Earth’s natural systems.
Globalization. Capitalism. Greed. Civilization. Call it what you will. It will end, the green anarchists insist, whether by means of environmental collapse, violent revolution, or the collective enlightening of human consciousness.
“We are now witnessing the final days of Western Civilization,” declared a recent posting on the Portland Independent Media Center website. “As this civilization decays around us—as the wars spread and the natural disasters increase in frequency—and as those trapped by western culture slowly break from their cognitive dissonance and open their hearts and minds, a new reality will begin to reveal itself. Our task is to let this transformation take its course, and to speed it along where we can.”
History is littered with historical determinists who were convinced the revolution was just around the corner. A few were right, most were wrong. And history is full of social upheavals in which true believers decided the cause was so great that they would step beyond the boundaries of law. Some have been vindicated by history, some scorned.
When I consider the ELF arsonists, I find myself thinking of the militant nineteenth-century abolitionist John Brown. So appalled was Brown by the institution of slavery that he tried to spark a revolution. He thought all that was needed was a firm nudge and the whole South would erupt in a slave rebellion. He was wrong, and was caught. His actions enraged the southern populace, and the system against which he struggled prosecuted him, convicted him, and hanged him.
At the time he was viewed as a crazed visionary whose quixotic strivings had changed nothing. But as the forces of abolition gained strength—as the real revolution unfolded—he became something much more potent. He became a symbol. Over the course of decades, what was first considered lunacy and extremism came to be regarded as courage and righteousness.
Years from now, when we have a clearer understanding of the full damage we have done to the Earth, is it possible the ELF arsonists will be remembered in similar fashion?”
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http://www.orionmagazine.org/pages/om/07-1om/Rasmussen.html
Difficult to get all heated up over global warming when the threat of global nuclear poisoning is far more likely and can end things in mere months.
Besides, why didn*t somebody bolt down Mount St. Helens before it blew?
Speaking of the power of Giants. . .
There are endless facets to the war between enterprise and environment.
If you built an electric car and powered it with NiMH
batteries, Chevron would promptly sue you for patent violations. They bought patent rights for large format NiMH from Texaco who bought original rights from developers Ovonics.
You are forced to use *small format* D cells if you wish to use NiMH battery power.
Big Oil, Big Auto and government are dragging heels on the [EV] electric vehicle.
Understandable when you consider the employment disruption that follows. No motors, mufflers, manifolds, or millions of mechanical miscelleania. Not to mention oil, gas, filters, rubber hoses, anti-freeze, radiators, catalytic converters etc. see [EV] at:
TonyGuitar.Blogspot.com
I think this is an ideal time to deflate the steam in ME and South American oil wars, don*t you? = TG
PS, I*m not very popular with so many people including Belinda auto-parts. = TG
Another inconvenient truth that Al Gore, et al conveniently won’t acknowledge:
The pole, which, unlike the geographic North Pole, is in constant movement, has been within modern Canadian borders since at least the 1600s — the time of Shakespeare and Sir Isaac Newton.
In 1904 it was measured just off the northern tip of Nunavut’s King William Island by Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen, and since then has moved in a north to northwesterly direction at a stately 10 kilometres per year.
But in 2001, scientists discovered that it was picking up the pace, suddenly charging ahead — and toward the edge of Canadian territory — at more than 40 kilometres per year.
This year, bad weather prevented Newitt from reaching the actual location of the pole, and he hasn’t completed the analysis of his observations. But he got close enough to make two measurements, and says it appears the pole is farther away than expected, and moving even faster than before.
“We landed at two places at around 83 North, and it certainly appears the pole is probably closer to 84 North,” he said. “That means that the pole is still continuing to accelerate.”
If the pole continues its current course, it will shoot across the top of Earth and end up in Siberia by mid-century.
But the pole’s movements are difficult to forecast, since its location depends on a terrestrial magnetic field that is produced by extremely complex forces deep inside Earth. Those forces, at their simplest, drive a churning mass of molten iron that rises and falls on convective currents more than 3,000 kilometres below the planet’s surface. The movement of that iron conducts and produces the magnetic field, whose poles are located fairly close, although still often thousands of kilometres away from, the geographic poles.
Curiously, the speed with which the pole moves could be related to dramatic events like the massive earthquake that caused last December’s devastating tsunami. That quake was big enough to alter the shape of Earth and jar the planet into a slightly different axis of rotation. It also had enough power to jolt the molten iron that powers the magnetic field, and could be partly responsible for magnetic “jerks” that are propelling the magnetic North Pole, Newitt said.
Scientists have also been intrigued by a weakening in the pole’s intensity: It has lost 10 per cent of its force in the past few centuries. That could be a sign that the poles are preparing to reverse, a phenomenon that has occurred many times in Earth’s distant history, said University of Alberta geophysics professor Moritz Heimpel.
Or, perhaps, this is what Al Gore means when he said that we are disrupting the balance of the Universe.
Jose, I’m not going to do your research for you. If you would look a bit deeper into opinions other than your own, you would easily be able to find out about your “glorious victory” over the hole in the ozone.
well obviously the solution here for Mr.Gore is to tax the magnetic pole. that’s right, you read it here first, we Canadians, should TAX THE MAGNETIC POLE. in this way, we can preserve its “canadian-ness”.
ok, I’m finished, I’m just working up to the top 10 lists that all the msm dishes us at the end of the year as the journalists haven’t been working since 15.december… (of this year?)
on a serious note, thanks to irwin daisy for this. and I want to know maz2, why doesn’t Mr.Mo.Strong go first, and lead by example?
I keep hearing David Suzuki being called a scientist, but as far as I know he hasn’t been involved in science for a few decades. Back in the 70’s he was a biology prof at UBC doing research in fruit fly genetics. Since that time he has been a media personality and advocate for left wing viewpoints.
I do not under stand what is wrong with climate change. If it happens to be a little bit warmer whats the problem. The Vikings did not like climate change it was colder,not good. But people are still living there with no problem. The temperature went down yes,But they still have a good life ask them. Some people say we are going up in temperature by 7 C. There is so many people in this Global Warming Crap that are getting big money for fiddleing with figures. But to use figures with no actual thought,or to the reality of to serve their personal money bank is not good ,for the real Science people.