Bill Ardolino on the email flooding into Jeff Goldstein’s inbox on the consequences befalling the nutty ex-professor;
Achieving Malkinesque levels of hate mail is a noteworthy event; achieving Malkinesque levels of hate mail that actually reference Malkin, racism and chimpmunks has got to be some sort of milestone in the annals of online animus.
Jeff’s site undergoing a third DOS attack, courtesy of the ever tolerant left.
Who cares about the left, I ignore them completely. Stupid little people doing and thinking stupid things. I think they all spent too much time with Jane Goodall.
I hope they can pin-point and prosecute the malevolent little liberals.
OK, I’ll bite.
A lot of people(for reasons best known to themselves)compartmentalize NetLife and RealLife. I can tell you (from long-ago Usenet experience) that some of the worst flamers, trolls and smartasses on the Net get their knickers in truly complicated knots if anyone offended by them “goes RL.”
The latter can mean anything from a complaint to an ISP to a call to one’s boss to posting the idiot’s coordinates. It’s OK to mess with one’s family, make stupid allegations, post photo-shop funnies of you and your spouse, etc., etc., but retaliation in RealLife is considered a breach of Netiquette.
I, for one, don’t make such distinctions. They’re naive. The Net doesn’t exist in a parallel universe. If you get up to antics like Frisch’s, there can be equally over-the-top consequences, as she has just discovered.
As one old Usenet antagonist once confessed to me, “I come here to get in touch with my inner asshole.” He’s not alone. But what he’s really saying is that “here” is the parallel universe I mentioned. Frisch was obviously in pretty close touch with her inner asshole; I’m pretty sure, though, that she never dreamed that someone would go after her in RL, send mail to her employer, and cost her her job. She probably expected, like most trolls, to be flamed to a crisp, and that’s about it.
She’s wiser now. Too late for everyone, I guess.
I guess free speech isn’t a very convenient belief for the righteous right at the moment.
And to blame the ‘intolerant left’, whatever that means, for the Denial Of Service attack is completely irresponsible, since it can’t be proven.
The nutty professor I believe has resigned for her poor comments, but looks like she has won after all for all the attention for her nonsense.
The liberal press still appears to be in working order.
I predict that the left will ignore the hate, threats of violence, sexism, racism, etc., etc., coming from their own ilk.
I’ve seen lots of it coming from the hypocritical left. Too bad the MSM covers it up unless it’s a famous moonbat uttering the slurs. People should be aware of the real feelings of the average ultra-extreme leftist on the street.
Now we know that the left cannot claim a monopoly on being tolerant of dissent. For we’ve seen leftists refuse to tolerate those with whom they disagree. Their reactions vary widely, but the point is that many leftists have demonstrated conclusively that they’re not all that tolerant, period!
Somehow Dawg, given her nearly immediate transition to victimhood, I doubt very much that she is any wiser.
I agree with Dawg. Cyberspace, virtual reality, whatever you call it, is not a separate space from good old-fashioned reality, it is a sub-set of it. Just ask any judge, when you’re in the witness box.
Speaking as an old UseNet protagonist (;-) people come here for many reasons: to be angry, to have fun, to inform, to learn, to pass the time, et cetera. Personally, I come here because I find it an interesting social blackboard on which to sketch out my thoughts for the consideration of others, with the intent of improving said thoughts when I discover good suggestions or constructive criticisms herein.
Your mileage may vary. And as always, thanks Kate.
Courtesy Ace:
Deb Frisch, Still Digging…
I won’t link her. She’s obviously enjoying her fifteen minutes of infamy. But
if you’re curious, yes, indeed, she has all but retracted her earlier,
half-hearted semi-apology, and finds righteous strength from the five or six
nutjobs who think that….
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see, this shows how the deep grained liberals share characteristics of a psychotic.
they lose track of the difference between fantasy and reality.
the esteemed prof figured she could spew hatefulness in the ‘fantasy’ of the net but remain untouched in the real world. not so.
the anon supporters just reinforce the impression.
“People should be aware of the real feelings of the average ultra-extreme leftist on the street.”
So, so true.
Based on her comments today, Frisch hasn’t learned a darn thing.
Average ultra-extreme doesn’t work for me, Robert in Calgary. Ultra-extremists can’t be average, by definition. More importantly, perhaps, people should be aware of the real feelings of extremists of any sort on the streets. It is always a major error to categorize all members of a Gaussian statistical distribution by their outliers. It’s a mistake you want to avoid.
I note from http://www.counterpunch.org/frisch02122005.html
that “Deborah Frisch, Ph. D., is a psychologist and Former director, of Decision, Risk and Management Sciences Program at the National Science Foundation. She can be reached through her blog: South(West) Paw.”
If this is true, it puts her WAY up the food chain in science funding, as the NSF is the leading American source of funding for American academic science.
I have not confirmed the claim but am quoting it because if true it is a significant matter.
I’m not so sure about that, John. She was an adjunct professor (which is bottom of the totem pole, below assistant, then associate, then full professor) who taught freshmen-level courses in statistics, not even psychology, never mind psychiatry. The NSF certainly has its share of trough-feeders, but to get way up the food chain one has to, I think, be somewhat more competent than Frisch, whether or not one is a trough-freeder.
The key to the significance of the NSF in this matter would seem, to me, to be the scope and significance of the program she was a director of, it may have just been another bureaucratic make-work project. If I were investigating this situation, that’s something I would look in to.
Indeed, “adjunct” does imply that she is allowed to lecture, to examine, and perhaps (depending on the institution) to supervise graduate students, but not much more. There is certainly no long-term institutional commitment, and an adjunct professor (again depending on the institution) probably would have no say in programs etc.
But the NSF connection is troubling.
Her position with NSF was, about 2003,
“Deborah Frisch, Program Director, Directorate for Social, Behavioral & Economic Sciences, Division of Social and Economic Sciences, 995 N, telephone: (703) 292-7261, fax: (703) 292-9068, email: dfrisch@nsf.gov“.
The American Psychological Association’s Web site (specifically http://www.apa.org/ppo/spin/1202.html) has the following: “Mumford and Brandon met with one class on November 22. They invited Deborah Frisch, PhD, a decision scientist from the National Science Foundation, also to attend the class. Dr. Frisch started the class off with a scenario about the Washington sniper incidents that illustrated human decision-making behaviors. The discussion then was opened up to more general concerns. Some of the questions posed were:
“How to predict panic in populations under assault, and how to normalize community behavior in a crisis.
“How to understand the terrorist mindset so as to be able to predict the selection of terrorist targets. …”
This suggests a more serious D. Frisch than most of her extensive Web presence does.
Vitruvius,
“It is always a major error to categorize all members of a Gaussian statistical distribution by their outliers. It’s a mistake you want to avoid.”
Maybe this applies to something you can actually measure … not sure it applies to people and their beliefs. I think the extremes define the group and perhaps even the quiet “average”.
Vitruvius, how would you define a “Pali” car swarm? As a mob, acting outside of societal constraints or as a homogenous group responding to societal cues?
I’m still not in, John. Firstly, the two questions you provided as examples are, in my opinion, good questions for that sort of exercise. Secondly, the very phrase “decision scientist” tempts me to yellow-card the whole participation of Frisch in the exercise.
Ural, fair point, I was using the Gaussian distribution concept metaphorically, and I didn’t say so. Nevertheless, I remain to be convinced that the metaphor isn’t valid. Consider, for example, the case of Mr. Summers at Harvard. He stated a distributional observation, that there are more extremely intelligent males, and more extremely crazy males, than there are females of those sorts. And he was egregiously ostracized for that.
But those outlier instances don’t say much about the rest of us average males and females, do they? And we’re the vast proportion of the sample space. The good outliers need to be supported by us, in universities if they are brilliant and in care if they are incapacitated, but they need to be decimated if they are irredeemably bad outliers.
no holds barred she’s a f***in wackjob
[editor’s note – keep the profanity under check]
courtesy of the ever tolerant left
Bwah! I’ve been receiving a barrage of hatemail from the ever tolerant right since yesterday afternoon and all I did was leave a comment on Frisch’s blog. Face it, Kate, no matter what example of leftwing behaviour you rubes dredge up the right has already staked out that terrain and moved deeper into the cesspool.
we don’t suffer fools here. get it right bob or get out.
Hey Robert – there really isn’t mail strongly enough worded to describe someone as extreme and predictably offensive as you. Besides, you like the attention.
I’m sure most of the regular readers of SDA don’t give a thought to your brown skidmark of a blog, hard to imagine anyone with a life or at least half a brain bothering to go there.
You’re obviously getting the sort of feedback and visitors that suit your intellectual level.
my word..I just had my profanity checked. Fekkin editors’ note stuff
Speaking of the intolerant right, I noticed the Ismaili Muslim community won top prizes in the Calgary Stampede parade, best float and best community involvement I think it was, congratulations to those good people. Layton was spotted sneaking around town but I didn’t notice any floats in the parade carrying naked men wagging their weiners at the crowd.
Hey Robert – there really isn’t mail strongly enough worded to describe someone as extreme
I suppose my politics would seem extreme to someone who is to the right of Mussolini.
McClelland, the sound of toilets flushing across the nation indicates you are missing your true calling by hanging out here.
Have a smooth passage.
I left the left due to the Frisch types. There are too many on the left who look at a stay-at-home-dad (like proteinwisdon) and see a “threat” to women … Well, such people have a thought infection; it’s one I do not want to be infected with.
The ‘net seems to be badly infected with people who have a bad-behavior virus. We routinely see remarks online which would not be tolerated in face-toface life. This is something which needs a lot of work. Which disinfectant is easily emailed?
The obligatory Bushitler is included here:
The Progressive Position Emerges
More and more leftists are abandoning their cognitive dissonance and admitting it outright: I don’t support the troops. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)
Excerpt:
Doing wrong is doing wrong, be it in Gainesville or Iraq. Bush told the soldiers to go, and they chose to obey. When the Nazis at Nuremberg claimed they were “only following orders,” they received no mercy, nor did they deserve any. Perhaps the enlisted men and women who merely tagged along are less culpable than Bush, but nobody involved in this huge criminal undertaking is entitled to a clean bill of moral health. ..-
via LGF
“I suppose my politics would seem extreme to someone who is to the right of Mussolini.”
Robert McLelland keeps the emails running on time.
Something Frishy About The Left
Frish and her liver, the late Susan Sontag; The Late Suzy Floozy and The Way of All Flesh.
Leftists hate living short, nasty, brutish lives; leftists want to live forever in Paradise, Eden, Utopia, College, University, InYourFace,… somewhere other than planet reality.
Sorry, Frishy. Mother Nature said: No, dearey, you cannot live forever.
The narcissist quote: “She’s stunning!” The left feminists love stunning.
More: Sontag’s physical appearance had been transformed by illness and its regimen of treatment, her body and face bloated and deformed. She was a tall woman, but now her commanding height seemed to have caved in on itself. All that domineering grandeur now hung ….
“She’s stunning!” gushed one of my graduate assistants, in an e-mail that she sent after finding on the Internet a photo of a young, pensive Sontag sitting on a window ledge overlooking the Manhattan skyline, probably taken not long after her arrival in New York in 1959. “I like it,” the e-mail message continued, “because it appears as though she has something on her mind.” And there it was. That irresistible melding of sexual charisma and smarts, the fusion of braininess and rock stardom, the unthinkable nuptials of Alfred Kazin and Patti Smith (whose music Sontag once claimed she could appreciate because she had read Nietzsche.) She was stunning. And for as long as I can remember, her image has represented not so much the faithful moral pulse of our times but the arresting exception to it, a skipped beat in the otherwise bland, sensually ill-adjusted, liberal polyester heart of American intellectual life: a femme fatale, a lesbian, an early riser, a night owl, a cancer patient, a cover girl, a prodigious gourmand, a compulsive moviegoer, and a character who might have jumped off the screen of a 3-D action-adventure animation flick. If Susan Sontag looked as though she had something on her mind, it was because her mind was
http://www.greatbooks.org/typ/sontag.html
So, if I take it rightly, maz2 has just joined the Frish brigade, giving some credence to the view that this kind of vicious craziness exists across the political spectrum.
Exulting in a political enemy’s death by cancer: a new low for maz2; a new low for Small Dead Animals.
Re: the left right attack syndrome on display at Protien wisdom:
You know there are some seriously diseased individuals attracted to the ideology the Good Dr. spews…but that’s linear with all relativist ideals….anything is justified by the end result …which in this case seems to be to win an argument even if it entails death threats, character assassination ( libel) and vandalism….the street politic of the brown shirt and Bolshevik revolutionary is alive and resides in positions of trust in our universities. Laying the base for civil conflict is the net output of such an environment.
Has the recipient thought of having this deranged shrink charged?
Dawg, funny you should mention cancer.
That was the first comment someone from the left put on Jeff’s site after he recovered from his second DDOS.
The comment was “I hope you and your child die from cancer”.
No comment wishing cancer on anyone is forgivable. That sort of indecency transcends politics. Maz2 made my point about that.
Well said, Dawg.
Now that we have that out of the way, why not hop on over and take a gander at this? FYI, not a single blogger on the left took exception to it (with the exception of Warren Kinsella who delinked him).
http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2005/07/situational-logic-right-wing-style.html
Comments are still open. I’ll be interested in seeing what you have to say.
Kate:
I think CC was sarcastically making the point that dangerous Islamofascists don’t waste a lot of time reading his blog. That being said, I don’t approve of posting someone’s contact information in this manner. That happened to me once, back in the Usenet days, and I didn’t like it one bit.
I had just begun my blog at that point, so don’t put me on the spot here.
Is it true that you actually called for kicking a CBC reporter in the crotch? I can’t be bothered looking for it, but if you did, what about some civility all the way around?
No, I didn’t. Like most “quotes” attributed to me by the deranged anonymous left, that’s a complete and utter fabrication.
But back to my point – comments there are still open.
You felt compelled to call Maz2’s reference to cancer as a “new low”. Yet, on a blog as consistantly toxic as Canadian Cynic, you’re going to give it the benefit of the sarcasm doubt?
By the way, were you aware that in MWW’s first incarnation of SDA2.0, she used my photo, identity and signed her posts with my name? And that the mission statement she attributed to me declared that I hated Indians, together with instructions as to where to find me?
It wasn’t so much later that she posted here in the comments, with the suggestion that the Indian Posse may be interested in an invitation.
It’s a pattern, eh?
Tell me – Dawg, why do you think the Progressive Bloggers continue to allow a person with the documented sock puppet behavior of Meaghan Walker Williams to belong to their blogroll?
You’re the one talking about “new lows”. Let’s hear your opinion on a few old ones, first.
Kate:
Someone here in your comments demanded that I (and every Muslim) be lynched not long ago. I’m not holding you accountable for that–well, not very accountable, given the volume of comments that you get.
In any case, I’ve already expressed my views on CC’s post. But appearing on people’s blogs a whole year after the fact to wag my finger at them seems a little pointless to me. As for MWW, she seems to have settled down recently–no? In any case, you already know my views about your views of Aboriginals. Let’s leave it at that.
So you didn’t say anything about attacking CBC reporters? I’m glad to hear it. I wonder how that story got started?
Stop deflecting and answer my question. Where is your condemnation of CC? Why is the vicious libel of Meaghan Walker-Williams allowed to be associated with the Progressive Bloggers?
“I’m not holding you accountable for that–well, not very accountable, given the volume of comments that you get.”
When I delete offensive comments, I’m called a right wing fascist who is censoring free speech. If I allow them to stand, then I’m a bigot, racist, extremist, blah blah blah….
There have been over 85,000 comments posted to this site. If I deleted everything that didn’t represent my opinion on a topic out of concern that someone might falsely accuse me of endorsing a statement by default, most of yours would disappear, too.
So, if you have objections to something you read here, then direct your reply to the person who wrote it. Leave me out of it, unless you believe it so offensive it requires action. I may not have seen it at all.
“So you didn’t say anything about attacking CBC reporters? I’m glad to hear it. I wonder how that story got started?”
How did it get started? The same way they all do – those on the “left” whom you are so reluctant to criticize just make it up.
In the future, do everyone a favour and challenge them for the source url. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s rarely provided.
n the minority of cases where there is a direct link to something I’ve written (as opposed to something someone has written about me), you’ll discover the quote attributed doesn’t exist, is out of context, or maliciously misrepresented.
Or, as in the case of the ever-observant Canadian Cynic, not even written by me.
Maz2 isn’t “exulting in a political enemy’s death by cancer…”. He’s merely illustrating that death ultimately diminishes us all, and its something we all get to partake of. Sontag was not a “leftist” in the current extemity that liberalism has become. She was left of centre in the view of the day, but a centrist none the less.
The modern liberal is a victim screaming to get out, standing in front of a legion of victims. Their identity has become wrapped in the martyrdom of victimhood. Sontag was never a victim, even in the end – all of us achieve the same end, heros or victims.
Kate:
Aw, come on. As I noted, I had just begun blogging when this CC thing blew up. That was a year ago. If it happened now, I’d most likely have something to say about it, as a ProgBlogMod and all.
MWW runs a decent blog these days, Somena Media. I know you two don’t get along, to put it mildly, but I’m not aware of any sock-puppetry or, for that matter, libel. You like to claim that you’ve been quoted out of context, but your remarks about residential schools and the jailing of Indian activists, even if not taken literally, are pretty insensitive.
I have never, in my memory, asked you to delete a single post or comment. Why put up a strawman? I’m just asking for a little consistency. You didn’t like MWW’s comments here at SDA about an “Indian Posse”; I merely pointed out that other comments here calling for extreme violence have escaped your censure. I wouldn’t dream of getting all upset about combox entries, by the way. I guess I can give as good as I get, although I certainly don’t run around threatening violence.
I’ll be happy to track down that source URL. Now you’ve got me curious.
I’m not aware of any sock-puppetry or, for that matter, libel
I meant to say, these days, for the sock-puppetry. No comment on the alleged “libel,” though. There are courts to decide that kind of thing.
Sorry for being unclear. Now, please excuse me. I have ginger-molasses ice-cream to make.
Drudge has noticed the whole Frisch mess,he links to a less than thorough article plus good comments at
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/07/10/frisch
Dawg and his ilk never cease to amaze. So selective of the facts, so desperate in the attempt to move the goal posts in a given argument. So typical of the left when losing an argument.
Just another moralistic lefty airhead trolling around SDA playing the sherriff.
Buzz off, stick with your own kind Dawg, there’s Aegean Stables full of nasty horseshit in the leftie blogs that screams out for your preaching.
(Sorry for the over-your-head reference to classical literature, education to your kind is more likely teaching two-year-old boys in government daycare how to saliva-slobbering french kiss each other.)
Surely, Kate, you can attract better friends than the last two posters. Reading comprehension should really be a requirement for a high-class blog like this. 🙂
Let me save you the trouble.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/001913.html
I feel kind of embarrassed in having to explain this to you, Dawg, but here goes – there’s a vast difference between a bit of obviously joking hyperbole, and misrepresenting/impersonating another person on the internet, providing their home address, and openly inviting those with a criminal history to do them harm.
And for all the shrill faux outrage that has gone about about my comments regarding “residential schools” (for how long now? 2 years?)- not a single syllable has been written by the self-absorbed outraged on the leftosphere about the child who’s death prompted them.
Her name was Delores Bird. She was 11. She was a child prostitute who died alone in an abandoned apartment in Saskatoon while her “mother” was “out of town”.
And here’s something else for you to chew on – I can guarantee that not a single one of you hypocrites could recall her name without googling for it.
I didn’t make any such comparison. Good grief, Kate,look how this whole matter came up. I posted a comment about l’affaire Frisch with which you apparently agreed. I posted a further comment about a lip-licking post from Maz2 about Susan Sontag’s death from cancer, to point out that Frisch’s craziness isn’t confined to one end of the political spectrum.
You asked me what I thought of CC’s post one year ago, and I told you clearly what I thought of it. Then you asked me to comment on MWW’s behaviour, which to my knowledge never approached that of Frisch even in the “I hate Kate” days. (Neither of you covered yourselves with glory back then, but that’s all I’ll say about that.)
So, while undergoing this interrogation, I asked you about alleged comments of yours about a CBC reporter, referenced in the comments over at the offending CC post. It was a simple question, since we’re all busy being outraged at the moment about wishing violence and death on our political enemies.
For the record, I am not comparing you to Deborah Frisch. Some of your winged monkeys, certainly, but not you. Did I really need to say that?
PS: A Palestinian girl watched her family blown apart on a beach a few days back. Can you name her without Googling for it? That’s a silly game, Kate. I don’t want to play, thanks.
You “forgot” to mention those Palestinians blown apart on the beach were blown apart by Palestinian munitions, Jew-hater.
Wrong. Just because the IDF gave the IDF a pass doesn’t make it so:
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/13/isrlpa13544.htm
Incidentally, I don’t hate anyone. Too bad your type
can’t say the same.
Sorry about being OT, Kate. The girl’s name is Huda Ghalia, by the way.