Ok, the horses had me freaked. I can’t even look at this. I would rather hear more whining from the un-elect Emerson crowd, than actually go and see a display like this. Yuchh.
I would rather see a display like this, than watch CBC…
I would rather wet-sand Harley tanks for Kate than watch CBC.
And I’m not touching the best dissectors line.
China’s illegal organ business thrives
…The trade in human organs is now a profitable venture in China. Foreigners from Southeast Asia, Taiwan or even CANADA seek kidney transplants in China where Shanghai has become the main center for organ transplants. According to reliable sources within the Shanghai Police department, some police officers are conspiring with greedy doctors to sell the organs of dead prisoners for large sums of money… http://www.laogai.org/news/newsdetail.php?id=2149
Yeah JM, dead -political- prisoners. Like those eeeevile Falun Gong types. And Christians!
Just like the Chinese are copying rolexes, gucci bags, computers and blackberries (“redberries”) so are they copying shows: http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp
My buddy Billy is running the show in Denver after a huge run in Toronto.
It’s not for everyone.
Bigger question is when are we gonna stop kissing the butts of Chinese Stalinists, stop allowing them to steal our intellectual property, and selling them ropes to hang us with.
yes I see the dissectors in china may practice all they want…
I’d have grave doubts as to the origin of these bodies, having read recently of the crimes of justice in china I’d think only a grande apologist cannot see some connection.
This reminds me of the monstrously frightening German-made horror movie “Anatomie”.
It actually terrified the hell out of me.
In this movie, evil doctors and med students actually dissect LIVE people via plastination as they claimed doing it while the subjects were alive yielded the best results.
You may order the movie online here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187696/
Or perhaps find it at your local video store.
I cannot help but wonder if this is how the evil communists do it behind the red iron curtain.
Exactly my thoughts, CT.
How many of those “fetuses” were plucked from women near birth?
How many of the “specimens” were vivisected?
My money is on “most, if not all”.
Wasn’t there recently a similar “show” in Toronto at the Ontario Science Centre?
I find the whole thing deeply disturbing. Why does anybody need to see real human bodies/organs displayed in public? We have anatomy books and the Internet to help us see inside the human body. There is something ghoulish and voyeuristic about this exhibition: something inhuman about it. Somehow it feels like a desecration has taken place. Kyrie Eleison.
Like marc in calgary, I’m wondering where these bodies came from. Why would we necessarily believe what the Chinese government says about their origins given that China has one of the worst human rights records in the world. Who’s to say that these bodies and organs aren’t/haven’t been taken from “enemies” of the state, and that their being dissected, trussed, and displayed in public isn’t a final sacrilege to their memories?
My sense is that these exhibitions feed a very unhealthy appetite a growing number of people have for ugliness and death–a phenomenon the late John Paul II referred to as “the culture of death”–and that they serve only to desensitize a public which is already insensitive to what is truly human: love, generosity, sacrifice, compassion…
I’d like to know who’s making money from these exhibitions and where the money’s going? Always follow the money…
I saw this exhibition in Toronto last month. Very facinating indeed. It wasn’t really scary or disturbing because it is so very bizzare that I don’t think the mind registers it as being real. The muscle actually looks a lot like salmon. If you get a chance to see this show, by all means go. There is also a huge camel, a colt and every stage of fetus.
Just a PS on China’s wretched record on human rights (sic): In an interview of a friend of the Chinese dissident who arrived in Canada yesterday, after being exiled after Tiennamen Square, he (the friend) said that the CPC government was moving far faster to address China’s dismal human rights abuses than “the previous government.”
It was gratifying to hear what I suspected all along: that PMSH would actually DO something about human rights abuses rather than just talk about doing something–a tactic well-practised by the Librano$.
Re Chazz’s comment: “It wasn’t really scary or disturbing because it is so very bizzare that I don’t think the mind registers it as being real.”
‘See what I mean? The thing is, these bodies ARE real: What’s on display are real human bodies, granted dead human bodies, put human bodies just the same. These bodies once belonged to someone’s son, or daughter, or sister, or brother, or husband, or wife, or mother, or father.
Try to imagine your mother, or father, sister, or brother, son or daughter, as one of the bodies everyone is gawking at. Because if you take these human bodies out of context and see them simply as fascinating objects, you somehow deny their humanity, and I think that that is a tragedy.
Dehumanizing everything seems to be one of the tragedies of our age.
Every single body and part was donated by a willing ‘participant’. The creator of the show has literally thousands of people who have signed donation agreements. As said before, it’s not for everybody but I can tell you the day I was there, it was packed to the rafters with people of all ages, including young children. There was a steady flow of classroom trips throughout the entire show. It is facinating to be sure. Educational and inspiring. For example, they have an obese man sliced in half exposing the thick layers of fat. A smoker’s lung (black) beside a non smoker’s lung (pink).
Disgusting. The curator at the Ontario Science Centre should have been charged under a law that is supposed to stop the dead from being treated with indignity, along with that German guy if he actually came here.
Yes medical students should be able to practice on the dead when it’s required but the dead should not be treated with indignity such as an ‘art’ show.
“Every single body and part was donated by a willing ‘participant’.”
No, they weren’t. At least not in this Chinese exhibition. Read the accompanying link.
I can understand doing these for medical schools but I think that exhibiting them to the public dehumanizes the people and desensitizes us.
I can see sick people being inspired to do this for themselves at home. Kind of like Hannibal Lecter but without the suave.
Check out this article on binding books in human skin. Yech. Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
This was a nice little reminder that almost no one wants to examine the reality behind much of the organ and tissue “donations” in Communist China.
I’ve been tracking news reports on this (and a lot of otehr things) at the China e-Lobby (http://china-e-lobby.blogspot.com) for over six years, and I’m stunned at how often Agence France Presse scoops most North American media (exceptions on this issue: Village Voice (yes, right-wing New Yorkers, THAT Village Voice), National Review, Toronto Sun, and Washington Times).
As for the general blogosphere, this blog here is well out in front of everyone, especially north of the 49th.
For what it’s worth, Kate, we do notice down here, and we are deeply grateful.
Apparently it’s cheaper to use real humans than wax models. Just when you think we, as humans, have bottomed out … someone shows you the bottom is limitless.
How many had a bullet hole in top of the skull?
A tad too ghoulish to qualify as art in any but the most degenerate societies who hold no value for human life save the market value of salable cadaver parts.
I find this a deeply disturbing display on several levels. Firstly, I find it disturbing that anyone would consider this “art”. I am disturbed that the Ontario Art Centre would think this was something that is acceptable to be shown in a Canadian arts event. I do not agree that ” the arts” must have no limits on freedom of expression. There are many more ways we can learn about the human body without having to line up at a art show to view dead people’s naked bodies. The people who approved this show are just as sick as the Chinese who designed it. It disturbs me that we seem to live in a society where it is OK to degrade the human being, while at the same time, if this was a show of dead pets, there would probably be more public outcry and protest.
I am assuming this display was promoted as a display that will allow us to learn more about the human body. Well, if this is the case, I for one, truely believe that I can learn all I need to know by looking at my grade 8 health books and looking in the mirror. The rest I will leave to the doctors and nurses we all rely on to know all this stuff.
This is truely sick!
What would the conversation be if these were Muslims done by an american artist would they still be showing them as an art show or would they be saying it’s insensative
Brett, if it was Muslims, insensitive without a doubt.
Chris why would they need bullet holes there are a lot of ways to kill.
But a country like China that has no respect for christians and others who don’t believe in the one true religion of crook run socialism this is scary.
People should be afraid also in the Uk where the article says that if no one knows who you are the govt owns your remains.
good thing they live in a secular minority rule society instead of a christian one.
The show in question is running here in Houston. As of yet I have not had an opportunity to see it but most likely will. For those who are opposed to this, I’d humbly suggest that they are the same people who think that their t-bone steak was raised at the local Loblaw’s. As to the educational value of having a peek at what is inside you, this is probably a 100 times better than some dusty old biology book that has been doodled on by a century of students.
Whether or not these donors were volunteers or not, I couldn’t say but I’d trust a Communist Chinese politician/government official as far as I could throw a Liberal.
BTW, for the record I am Christian (olf fashioned kind, not reborn or anything) but when Uncle Harry died, his soul or spirit that made him who he was is gone so why not use it?
I only see educational merit here.
Sure there are some reasons to feel offended but by and large the pros outwiegh the cons.
I think the offended probably have a belief system that is based on 2000 year old stories. More to do with fear than factual knowledge.
Since I’m a heathen and have no soul I would be more than happy to donate my body to artful science.
Texas Canuck: a cow is not a human being.
A cow is an animal. We are animals, too, but we are human animals, and there’s a difference. If you’re a Christian then you might remember that the Lord God put the beasts of the field and the fishes in the sea under humankind’s dominion for our, admittedly, stewardship in not abusing them and caring for them compassionately while in our care, but also so that we could eat. We could not survive on Manna alone, therefore God gave us plants and animals to sustain our lives. Even non-human animals eat other animals.
Again, I ask you: Imagine that one of the corpses is someone you love because, undoubtedly, all of these cadavers on display were loved by someone. When you put each of the bodies in a human context, as opposed to just seeing them as dis-embodied body parts, there really is no justification for them to be on display, no matter how fascinating they may be.
Who’s talking about learning about human anatomy in “some dusty old biology book that has been doodled on by a century of students”? We’ve got the Internet! I’m sure there are thousands of sites where you can see the human body, inside out, in technicolour, and probably from every angle imaginable.
PS–I love T-bone steaks. God is good: He gave us cows with T-bones.
Now there’s Dr. Wayne’s post. I should have added to this sentence in my response to Texas Canuck “there really is no justification for [these human bodies] to be on display, no matter how fascinating AND EDUCATIONAL they may be.”
I believe that, especially given that we have so many other and more humane ways of being educated about the human body and not, as you suggest, out of “fear [rather] than factual knowledge.”
I’d be careful about denigrating people’s belief systems because they happen to be thousands of years old. I’d imagine that Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Christian and, certainly, Muslim beliefs, all thousands of years old, would line up together in objecting to these exhibitions.
One way of labelling thousand-year-old beliefs is to say that they are “traditional,” usually a derogatory term when used in today’s vernacular. I prefer to say that the reason people continue to hold beliefs thousands of years later–and the reason most of them are still relevant–is because they have stood the test of time. They work–not just for the individual but for the larger community as well.
“Love your neighbour as yourself,” for instance, held in one form or another by all of the world’s religions (and many millions who have no faith), has stood the test of time because when we live this way, we create more humane and compassionate communities.
While this generation willy-nilly is throwing out ancient and sacred wisdom, I’d like someone to prove to me that our societies are improving, that they are more enlightened than past generations. Just look at the most vulnerable in our societies to see how we’re doing: Do we love and honour children more than we did–or are they throw-away like so many other things? Do we care for the sick and the elderly, the least amongst us, more compassionately than we used to?
For me, the litmus test is: How would you feel if the dissected and trussed body displayed was your mother/daughter/son/father or the person you most love in the world?
Sex act ‘performance art’ would probably be more of a useful ‘education’ than these displays since we are talking human bodies anyhow.
The same bright lights who allowed these displays should hire prostitutes to artfully and educationally demonstrate vaginal, oral and anal sex, not encourage mind you, simply educate.
new kid,
My answer is, I would feel honoured.
Preserved and on display is infinitely better than theirs or mine being burned into ashes or buried in the ground where worms and parasites would slowly destroy them.
Well New Kid, sorry you feel that way but there was no disrespect ever intended. The human body is a marvelous machine. Yes, a machine all be it a bio-machine. The medical world sees this and a whole lot more every day and trust me, you have to get out of “this is someone’s aunt sally” mode once in a while to fix and repair this machine otherwise you would end up as a babbling idiot before too long.
When the body dies, the spirit that was that human is gone too. Whether it be to a higher calling or out of existance, depending on your beliefs, what is left is a shell and it is of importance only to the loved ones because the dead person doesn’t care any more. If the person’s last wishes is for his body to be harvested, cremated, buried of used for anything else then who are we to say what is right.
AND as I said before, if the bodies were donated then that is one thing but if this is all part of the Chinese government’s “Final Solution” then that is entirely different.
BTW: I’ve signed my donor card, have you? (directed to all readers)
My donor card is signed.
I’ve put a special warning on it about my liver. *wink*
Texas is absolutely right the human body is a fascinating bio-machine and we should not be selfish in exploring its intricacies.
Hopefuly someday we just might find out what makes Liberals and Islamists tick.
It may surprise you, but I too have signed my donor card: If someone can see with my eyes or live because of one of my organs, it will be a wonderful gift to give someone. But not my whole body! And no experiments on me, please.
I still contend, even though I totally agree that the soul is no longer in a body at death (I was very aware of that when my father died), the human body is sacred because it was made by the Creator, and we need to treat it with the deepest and utmost respect.
Obviously others are free to disagree…
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Dr. Wayne (1:29 p.m.): My question wasn’t whether or not you would be honoured to have your dead body displayed for all the world to see. It was: How would you feel if the dissected and trussed body displayed was your mother/daughter/son/father or the person you most love in the world?
That’s a different proposition. You’d be around then to see it. Or, put differently, how would your mom, dad, sister/s, brother/s, wife feel about your body being shown this way? I wonder if they’d pay to see it.
NKOTB,
I get your point. That’s exactly how some of the Falun Gong practitioners that I know feel about this situation–whose loved ones have disappeared in China since the persecution. Very alarming.
Look at the hooters on that ‘thing’! (Don’t tell my Wife I said that!) Bwahahahaha! (Dukester- surely you got something to post on this?)
Ok, the horses had me freaked. I can’t even look at this. I would rather hear more whining from the un-elect Emerson crowd, than actually go and see a display like this. Yuchh.
I would rather see a display like this, than watch CBC…
I would rather wet-sand Harley tanks for Kate than watch CBC.
And I’m not touching the best dissectors line.
China’s illegal organ business thrives
…The trade in human organs is now a profitable venture in China. Foreigners from Southeast Asia, Taiwan or even CANADA seek kidney transplants in China where Shanghai has become the main center for organ transplants. According to reliable sources within the Shanghai Police department, some police officers are conspiring with greedy doctors to sell the organs of dead prisoners for large sums of money…
http://www.laogai.org/news/newsdetail.php?id=2149
Yeah JM, dead -political- prisoners. Like those eeeevile Falun Gong types. And Christians!
Just like the Chinese are copying rolexes, gucci bags, computers and blackberries (“redberries”) so are they copying shows:
http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp
My buddy Billy is running the show in Denver after a huge run in Toronto.
It’s not for everyone.
Bigger question is when are we gonna stop kissing the butts of Chinese Stalinists, stop allowing them to steal our intellectual property, and selling them ropes to hang us with.
yes I see the dissectors in china may practice all they want…
I’d have grave doubts as to the origin of these bodies, having read recently of the crimes of justice in china I’d think only a grande apologist cannot see some connection.
This reminds me of the monstrously frightening German-made horror movie “Anatomie”.
It actually terrified the hell out of me.
In this movie, evil doctors and med students actually dissect LIVE people via plastination as they claimed doing it while the subjects were alive yielded the best results.
You may order the movie online here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187696/
Or perhaps find it at your local video store.
I cannot help but wonder if this is how the evil communists do it behind the red iron curtain.
Exactly my thoughts, CT.
How many of those “fetuses” were plucked from women near birth?
How many of the “specimens” were vivisected?
My money is on “most, if not all”.
Wasn’t there recently a similar “show” in Toronto at the Ontario Science Centre?
I find the whole thing deeply disturbing. Why does anybody need to see real human bodies/organs displayed in public? We have anatomy books and the Internet to help us see inside the human body. There is something ghoulish and voyeuristic about this exhibition: something inhuman about it. Somehow it feels like a desecration has taken place. Kyrie Eleison.
Like marc in calgary, I’m wondering where these bodies came from. Why would we necessarily believe what the Chinese government says about their origins given that China has one of the worst human rights records in the world. Who’s to say that these bodies and organs aren’t/haven’t been taken from “enemies” of the state, and that their being dissected, trussed, and displayed in public isn’t a final sacrilege to their memories?
My sense is that these exhibitions feed a very unhealthy appetite a growing number of people have for ugliness and death–a phenomenon the late John Paul II referred to as “the culture of death”–and that they serve only to desensitize a public which is already insensitive to what is truly human: love, generosity, sacrifice, compassion…
I’d like to know who’s making money from these exhibitions and where the money’s going? Always follow the money…
I saw this exhibition in Toronto last month. Very facinating indeed. It wasn’t really scary or disturbing because it is so very bizzare that I don’t think the mind registers it as being real. The muscle actually looks a lot like salmon. If you get a chance to see this show, by all means go. There is also a huge camel, a colt and every stage of fetus.
Just a PS on China’s wretched record on human rights (sic): In an interview of a friend of the Chinese dissident who arrived in Canada yesterday, after being exiled after Tiennamen Square, he (the friend) said that the CPC government was moving far faster to address China’s dismal human rights abuses than “the previous government.”
It was gratifying to hear what I suspected all along: that PMSH would actually DO something about human rights abuses rather than just talk about doing something–a tactic well-practised by the Librano$.
Re Chazz’s comment: “It wasn’t really scary or disturbing because it is so very bizzare that I don’t think the mind registers it as being real.”
‘See what I mean? The thing is, these bodies ARE real: What’s on display are real human bodies, granted dead human bodies, put human bodies just the same. These bodies once belonged to someone’s son, or daughter, or sister, or brother, or husband, or wife, or mother, or father.
Try to imagine your mother, or father, sister, or brother, son or daughter, as one of the bodies everyone is gawking at. Because if you take these human bodies out of context and see them simply as fascinating objects, you somehow deny their humanity, and I think that that is a tragedy.
Dehumanizing everything seems to be one of the tragedies of our age.
Every single body and part was donated by a willing ‘participant’. The creator of the show has literally thousands of people who have signed donation agreements. As said before, it’s not for everybody but I can tell you the day I was there, it was packed to the rafters with people of all ages, including young children. There was a steady flow of classroom trips throughout the entire show. It is facinating to be sure. Educational and inspiring. For example, they have an obese man sliced in half exposing the thick layers of fat. A smoker’s lung (black) beside a non smoker’s lung (pink).
Disgusting. The curator at the Ontario Science Centre should have been charged under a law that is supposed to stop the dead from being treated with indignity, along with that German guy if he actually came here.
Yes medical students should be able to practice on the dead when it’s required but the dead should not be treated with indignity such as an ‘art’ show.
“Every single body and part was donated by a willing ‘participant’.”
No, they weren’t. At least not in this Chinese exhibition. Read the accompanying link.
I can understand doing these for medical schools but I think that exhibiting them to the public dehumanizes the people and desensitizes us.
I can see sick people being inspired to do this for themselves at home. Kind of like Hannibal Lecter but without the suave.
Check out this article on binding books in human skin. Yech.
Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
This was a nice little reminder that almost no one wants to examine the reality behind much of the organ and tissue “donations” in Communist China.
I’ve been tracking news reports on this (and a lot of otehr things) at the China e-Lobby (http://china-e-lobby.blogspot.com) for over six years, and I’m stunned at how often Agence France Presse scoops most North American media (exceptions on this issue: Village Voice (yes, right-wing New Yorkers, THAT Village Voice), National Review, Toronto Sun, and Washington Times).
As for the general blogosphere, this blog here is well out in front of everyone, especially north of the 49th.
For what it’s worth, Kate, we do notice down here, and we are deeply grateful.
Apparently it’s cheaper to use real humans than wax models. Just when you think we, as humans, have bottomed out … someone shows you the bottom is limitless.
How many had a bullet hole in top of the skull?
A tad too ghoulish to qualify as art in any but the most degenerate societies who hold no value for human life save the market value of salable cadaver parts.
I find this a deeply disturbing display on several levels. Firstly, I find it disturbing that anyone would consider this “art”. I am disturbed that the Ontario Art Centre would think this was something that is acceptable to be shown in a Canadian arts event. I do not agree that ” the arts” must have no limits on freedom of expression. There are many more ways we can learn about the human body without having to line up at a art show to view dead people’s naked bodies. The people who approved this show are just as sick as the Chinese who designed it. It disturbs me that we seem to live in a society where it is OK to degrade the human being, while at the same time, if this was a show of dead pets, there would probably be more public outcry and protest.
I am assuming this display was promoted as a display that will allow us to learn more about the human body. Well, if this is the case, I for one, truely believe that I can learn all I need to know by looking at my grade 8 health books and looking in the mirror. The rest I will leave to the doctors and nurses we all rely on to know all this stuff.
This is truely sick!
What would the conversation be if these were Muslims done by an american artist would they still be showing them as an art show or would they be saying it’s insensative
Brett, if it was Muslims, insensitive without a doubt.
Chris why would they need bullet holes there are a lot of ways to kill.
But a country like China that has no respect for christians and others who don’t believe in the one true religion of crook run socialism this is scary.
People should be afraid also in the Uk where the article says that if no one knows who you are the govt owns your remains.
good thing they live in a secular minority rule society instead of a christian one.
The show in question is running here in Houston. As of yet I have not had an opportunity to see it but most likely will. For those who are opposed to this, I’d humbly suggest that they are the same people who think that their t-bone steak was raised at the local Loblaw’s. As to the educational value of having a peek at what is inside you, this is probably a 100 times better than some dusty old biology book that has been doodled on by a century of students.
Whether or not these donors were volunteers or not, I couldn’t say but I’d trust a Communist Chinese politician/government official as far as I could throw a Liberal.
BTW, for the record I am Christian (olf fashioned kind, not reborn or anything) but when Uncle Harry died, his soul or spirit that made him who he was is gone so why not use it?
I only see educational merit here.
Sure there are some reasons to feel offended but by and large the pros outwiegh the cons.
I think the offended probably have a belief system that is based on 2000 year old stories. More to do with fear than factual knowledge.
Since I’m a heathen and have no soul I would be more than happy to donate my body to artful science.
Texas Canuck: a cow is not a human being.
A cow is an animal. We are animals, too, but we are human animals, and there’s a difference. If you’re a Christian then you might remember that the Lord God put the beasts of the field and the fishes in the sea under humankind’s dominion for our, admittedly, stewardship in not abusing them and caring for them compassionately while in our care, but also so that we could eat. We could not survive on Manna alone, therefore God gave us plants and animals to sustain our lives. Even non-human animals eat other animals.
Again, I ask you: Imagine that one of the corpses is someone you love because, undoubtedly, all of these cadavers on display were loved by someone. When you put each of the bodies in a human context, as opposed to just seeing them as dis-embodied body parts, there really is no justification for them to be on display, no matter how fascinating they may be.
Who’s talking about learning about human anatomy in “some dusty old biology book that has been doodled on by a century of students”? We’ve got the Internet! I’m sure there are thousands of sites where you can see the human body, inside out, in technicolour, and probably from every angle imaginable.
PS–I love T-bone steaks. God is good: He gave us cows with T-bones.
Now there’s Dr. Wayne’s post. I should have added to this sentence in my response to Texas Canuck “there really is no justification for [these human bodies] to be on display, no matter how fascinating AND EDUCATIONAL they may be.”
I believe that, especially given that we have so many other and more humane ways of being educated about the human body and not, as you suggest, out of “fear [rather] than factual knowledge.”
I’d be careful about denigrating people’s belief systems because they happen to be thousands of years old. I’d imagine that Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Christian and, certainly, Muslim beliefs, all thousands of years old, would line up together in objecting to these exhibitions.
One way of labelling thousand-year-old beliefs is to say that they are “traditional,” usually a derogatory term when used in today’s vernacular. I prefer to say that the reason people continue to hold beliefs thousands of years later–and the reason most of them are still relevant–is because they have stood the test of time. They work–not just for the individual but for the larger community as well.
“Love your neighbour as yourself,” for instance, held in one form or another by all of the world’s religions (and many millions who have no faith), has stood the test of time because when we live this way, we create more humane and compassionate communities.
While this generation willy-nilly is throwing out ancient and sacred wisdom, I’d like someone to prove to me that our societies are improving, that they are more enlightened than past generations. Just look at the most vulnerable in our societies to see how we’re doing: Do we love and honour children more than we did–or are they throw-away like so many other things? Do we care for the sick and the elderly, the least amongst us, more compassionately than we used to?
For me, the litmus test is: How would you feel if the dissected and trussed body displayed was your mother/daughter/son/father or the person you most love in the world?
Sex act ‘performance art’ would probably be more of a useful ‘education’ than these displays since we are talking human bodies anyhow.
The same bright lights who allowed these displays should hire prostitutes to artfully and educationally demonstrate vaginal, oral and anal sex, not encourage mind you, simply educate.
new kid,
My answer is, I would feel honoured.
Preserved and on display is infinitely better than theirs or mine being burned into ashes or buried in the ground where worms and parasites would slowly destroy them.
Well New Kid, sorry you feel that way but there was no disrespect ever intended. The human body is a marvelous machine. Yes, a machine all be it a bio-machine. The medical world sees this and a whole lot more every day and trust me, you have to get out of “this is someone’s aunt sally” mode once in a while to fix and repair this machine otherwise you would end up as a babbling idiot before too long.
When the body dies, the spirit that was that human is gone too. Whether it be to a higher calling or out of existance, depending on your beliefs, what is left is a shell and it is of importance only to the loved ones because the dead person doesn’t care any more. If the person’s last wishes is for his body to be harvested, cremated, buried of used for anything else then who are we to say what is right.
AND as I said before, if the bodies were donated then that is one thing but if this is all part of the Chinese government’s “Final Solution” then that is entirely different.
BTW: I’ve signed my donor card, have you? (directed to all readers)
My donor card is signed.
I’ve put a special warning on it about my liver. *wink*
Texas is absolutely right the human body is a fascinating bio-machine and we should not be selfish in exploring its intricacies.
Hopefuly someday we just might find out what makes Liberals and Islamists tick.
It may surprise you, but I too have signed my donor card: If someone can see with my eyes or live because of one of my organs, it will be a wonderful gift to give someone. But not my whole body! And no experiments on me, please.
I still contend, even though I totally agree that the soul is no longer in a body at death (I was very aware of that when my father died), the human body is sacred because it was made by the Creator, and we need to treat it with the deepest and utmost respect.
Obviously others are free to disagree…
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Dr. Wayne (1:29 p.m.): My question wasn’t whether or not you would be honoured to have your dead body displayed for all the world to see. It was: How would you feel if the dissected and trussed body displayed was your mother/daughter/son/father or the person you most love in the world?
That’s a different proposition. You’d be around then to see it. Or, put differently, how would your mom, dad, sister/s, brother/s, wife feel about your body being shown this way? I wonder if they’d pay to see it.
NKOTB,
I get your point. That’s exactly how some of the Falun Gong practitioners that I know feel about this situation–whose loved ones have disappeared in China since the persecution. Very alarming.
Look at the hooters on that ‘thing’! (Don’t tell my Wife I said that!) Bwahahahaha! (Dukester- surely you got something to post on this?)