The trend continues as a report out of Manitoba shows more vaccinated people winding up in hospitals and ICU wards over Christmas.
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eugyppius- There is nothing as revealing as their mistakes.
Heather Heying- Fear in the Time of Coronavirus
What would also be interesting is the ages of the deaths. Similar data out of the UK showed that they majority were in the +70 age group yet that is the group that is supposed to be the most highly vaccinated.
That’s not what I’ve read. Not at all. Will try to find the info.
It would also be nice to precisely know how many went to hospital or ICU for other issues and magically tested positive for covid, same goes for deaths. These are irksome details for the authorities.
Nevertheless, somehow the dolts will come on here and say this proves the vaccines work. To which I’d first ask, then why don’t our gov’ts and health nazis agree they work. I mean, if the vaccines work as promised then why are we heading back into lockdown again? Clearly they don’t think the vaccines are working!
Second, trying in any way to claim that having the vast majority of ICU patients (assuming for covid) vaxxed proves that they work is the height of absurdity. However, absurd seems to be all the vax nazis have left, besides outright force.
Pathogenic priming?
Antibody-dependent enhancement?
Original Antigenic Sin?
Negative efficacy?
We report, you decide.
78% of Manitobans are fully vaccinated yet they only make up 60% of ICU admissions and 22% of deaths.
IOW – your own chart shows that vaccines work!
So it is not clear what point you thought you were making.
There’s a bit of a lag time between getting omicron and dying from it so it’ll take time for that to change. Just wait for it.
It’s already changing into proof Omicron is an upper respiratory virus like influenza or colds, both more dangerous to children btw, but not a pneumonic lung drowner like the original and delta variants. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, as variants become milder they become more contagious, welcome to natural selection or God’s hand depending on your viewpoint, so OF COURSE YOU WILL SEE MORE CASES. That also means more hospitalization cases as the numbers have never parsed those who died of covid, or at least it finished them off, from who died testing positive after admission.
More cases outside hospitals means more inside too, it only stands to reason. That explains why our politicians miss that?
Based on that their decision, with an abundance of caution, is to shut a society of healthy people with sports leagues full of unfortunates entering “covid protocols,” at horrendous cost to society, not just no NHL at the Olympics, killing more people than would have otherwise died if this ridiculous doubling down on failed and futile strategies had been ditched.
Yes, hospitalizations and deaths are overweight the unvaccinated, and yes the unhealthy/old/obese unvaccinated.
That also applies to influenza, smokers, diabetics, stress monkeys and a host of other decisions that are not healthy.
End the charade. Backout Bonnie sees it coming. Latest stats in BC, still being juiced by delayed holiday reporting:
Cases last 14 days (Canada): up 244% (+268%); Daily deaths 2/10million, ie 1 (1/million) grace a Quebec and Ontario.
Manitoba looks bad in comparison, but population skews these stats with 2.6 reported daily deaths last 14 days.
My point is, it should be easy to track those few deaths and hospitalizations, to put things in perspective, right?
Wrong, focus on cases and “outbreaks” proving my prediction every idiotic power inducing idea would be used, now curing colds.
Is the best we can do the best these maladroit malevolent megalomaniacs can do, taxing us like adults, treating us like children?
Because, Mr and Mrs Citizen, if you want that then you’re gonna get it good, Venezuela north style; they’re just getting started.
Oh, I’m sure Manitoba will catch up to the other tips of the spear (Israel, the UK, Germany, Belgium, etc.) soon enough. We’re just three to six months behind them.
No, the vaccines do not work. We were promised that the vaccines would end the pandemic, remember? No more transmission, no more illness. Vaccine passports to identify the ‘clean’ members of society. Well, the vaccines have failed spectacularly in this regard.
Now of course you have changed it to ‘reduces hospitalization and death’, which is not what a proper vaccine does.
You folks didn’t just move the goalposts with the non-vaccines, you burnt down the stadium and moved the team to a different city.
“No, the vaccines do not work. ”
Yes they work. They did not work as well as we hoped but they work. Wallowing in your nihilist cesspool won’t change that fact.
As for the goalposts: you are the one moving them by creating idiotic strawmen on what would be required for the vaccines to be considered successful in your view. Vaccines reduce ICU admissions and deaths. That is what matters the most.
BTW: it is not a coincidence that the new variants come from countries with low vaccination because allowing a virus to spread freely in a population is what allows it to mutate. We would be much worse off than we are now if we did not have the global vaccination campaign.
“We would be much worse off than we are now if we did not have the global vaccination campaign.”
Suuuure, much worse off, we could be having a lockdown and a curfew or something and a two tier society. Also instead of having ten times as many cases as at any time until now, so many that they even don’t bother counting them anymore, we would be having a gazilion more, and and and Godzilla would have roamed the earth, and cats and dogs would mate with each other, and you would have grown a functioning braincell.
Define “work”. They do not. They absolutely do NOT stop transmission….in fact, they almost certainly increase it.
And to suggest that new variants come from countries with low vaccination is idiotic. Leaky vaccines cause variants….and more dangerous ones. Your comments are idiotic.
Nasty nasty. Also pure bullshit, pardon my french.
The goalposts moving is all on the part of peo vaxxers, even to the point of changing the very definition of the word vaccine. If that’s not moving the goal posts nothing is.
There is no way to know whether we would be better off without vaccines. Certainly the number of deaths in the US in 2020 vs 2021 do not support this.
You argument that lack of vaccination flies in the face of accepted science in virology. You sound like a fool parroting this pseudo science talking point. Vaccination puts selection pressure on viruses to mutate into vaccine resistant strains, you know, like omicron.
Or is omicron so novel that it defies the theory of evolution?
If you are going to post nonsense or simple minded arguments here the least you could do is be civil.
As for the actual data presented in the article, what they show, if anything is the replacement of Delta with omicron. The proportion of hospitalized and deaths are likely carry overs, ie delta. The proportion of infections shows omicron infection is not prevented by vaccination. Time will tell if vaccination reduces deaths via omicron. If it does not then the vaccines are totally useless.
It is a mistake, by the way to try to predict the proportions of age groups that are vaccinated or unvaccinated. Actual data, if it exists in this form is required. Speculation is pointless.
No Tim, there is no such thing as partial efficacy when it comes to vaccines, they either work or they don’t, these don’t and are killing tens of thousands.
Please have a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2K_0lmfEs4
Don’t miss the part where the one young girl volunteered to test the Pfizer vaccine and what happened to her and her data.
I never agreed with the incompetence of government from the start of this. The lies, the kids lost that fare well with Covid that could have been in school mask less at recess , socializing with friends at high school maybe learning from life, instead of tic tok.
It’s all about compliance , from what I see. I find it so hard to believe so many people can’t see how blind they are, and it’s not the unvaccinated, or people questioning what’s happening, it’s the people pointing fingers at others wanting them to live their life for them and the hate they spew.
Something you can’t take back out, and know damn well governments will do impossible back flips making more of a mess to make “right”, emboldened by a media saving their neck as well.
Don’t worry TimG, you can’t go ahead of me in line.
It’s the new normal boot lickers, always are first to get the scraps.
Have at them.
They’re yours.
Remember that…….
TimG, be more precise. Vaccines work to prevent serious illness and deaths FOR NOW (immunity down to 20% after 4 months).
Common sense and science should tell you at some point, unless we booster ad nauseum, vaccines will lose their protection.
My understanding of this we are already seeing evidence, but it’s early days, for instance this is still an experimental vaccine.
Meanwhile Pfizer et al can’t believe their luck. Their vaccine is a failure which will result in megaprofits from boosters and pills.
Remember how sure everybody was that vaccinated couldn’t spread covid, now we’re quite sure it prevents illness and death?
The first changed and I hazard a guess the second will too. Raging on Omicron over an undemonstrated threat must end now.
” We were promised that the vaccines would end the pandemic, remember? ”
Oh that was so 2020. The goalposts have been moved so many times that only those without amnesia remember what promise they were peddled two years ago.
Yes Lew. It was even more we were told: Vacines were the only way to achieve herd immunity because it was a “NEW” virus, therefore there could be no pre-existing natural immunity. And, as most cases early died, there was little possible of it because the case would be dead.
I remember the lies. The first lie was it was a vaccine, which it is not.
I think the biggest and most criminal lie, because it caused most unecessary death, was the HCQ and Ivermectin were to be banned because…
I think, when this sorry episode of mass hysteria, deceit and peculation is over, we will not be able to find enough windows to through the guilty through.
Timmy, if the vaccines work, why are any of the vaccinated in the hospital, or in the icu, or even on the death report??? Obviously, the vaccines are a bust, and the boosters are in reverse. Have you ever heard of
“Mass Formation Psychosis”? Look it up in the dictionary and you will see a map of Manitoba.
“yet they only make up 60% of ICU admissions” — not very impressive for much tauted vaccine. It is hard to understand how they can claim vaccine effectiveness with such a high rate of vaxed people getting very sick.
78% of Manitobans are fully vaccinated yet they only make up 60% of ICU admissions and 22% of deaths.
Yeah,, THAT is the very Definition of
Working!!
You poor thing!
Vaccines would work if there were ZERO PERCENT in ICU, as health authorities promised.
Remember your heroes promises, PREVENT infection, PREVENT illness!
They lied, and lied, and lied!
You lose, thanks for playing, IDIOT.
However, the vaxxed dolts can rest assured that when they die fully vaxxed from covid that their death will be sweeter than the vax free. Sure, they can take that and cuddle it all night long in their delusional world.
It doesn’t prevent infection, doesn’t stop transmission, doesn’t reduce severity and doesn’t prevent death. But sure, it works – they just didn’t say how it was really meant to work.
@TimG – Don’t be a RACIST!
I would say damn the vaccinated for spreading the virus. You’re the ones flashing your papers to sit in restaurants and public places thinking you’re safe. You’re the infected passing along the bug and keeping restrictions going. The unvaccinated and people who believe passports are an infringement of rights are staying home. Damn the vaxxers to hell!
Want some other fun stats to wave around and annoy people with?
‘Vaccinated’ people make up 100% of Jab related deaths.
‘Vaccinated’ people make up 100% of Jab related illness.
Getting the Jab may not stop you from getting the Fauci Flu, but not getting the Jab makes you 100% safe from ‘Jab related’ Adverse Events.
Basic risk reduction procedure – you should never bring in a risk reducing ‘solution’ that also brings in new risks.
It is like putting up razor wire around your home swimming pool. Sure it would reduce the risks of accidental drownings related to unsupervised toddlers entering the pool area, but you are raising the risk of cuts. You should not conduct risk reduction in isolation and in context to our topic, you should not discuss how the Jab affects Fauci Flu without also discussing how the Jab can cause deaths.
And deaths are deaths. Saying ‘In rare cases’ doesn’t remove the fact that people have died.
(also – these are not ‘your own charts’ (aka SDA) proving that the Jab works. They are gov.mb.ca/health charts proving that the jab has not stopped the ‘Fully Vaccinated’ from becoming cases or stopping them from being admitted to ICU.)
Same thing in Ontario numbers and I’m sure everywhere else. The fact is the vaccines DO NOT work against omicron AT ALL. At best they do nothing and at worse they make you catch it easier and get sicker. Fortunately this will be over in 4-6 weeks.
“at worse they make you catch it easier and get sicker.” That is what I suspect. Your immune system is weakened by the vax.
100% Antarctica Scientists agree!
You can accuse me of many things and be right.. But you cant call me slow on the uptake.. The vaccines have proven to be a failure in every way you can accurately measure them.. Why our? government and health officials are continuing on the same path is beyond my understanding..
Stand up.. Tell the truth.. We have done all we can and failed with government intervention.. A boondoggle..
“The vaccines have proven to be a failure in every way you can accurately measure them.”
Complete and total nonsense.
The data from every jurisdiction shows the same results: being vaccinated significantly reduces the likelihood of ICU admission and death. It is not likely to change with omicron but I expect the death rates to drop significantly because omicron does not infect the lungs as frequently as delta.
It would have been nice if we had a vaccine that was 100% effective forever but we don’t. We have to work with what we have and what we have does work despite the endless amount of disinformation.
That’s not the case at all with omicron. Most ICU patients in Germany are vaxxed and double vaxxed and it’s at a much higher percentage than those who are vaxxed.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) publishes a weekly ‘Vaccine Surveillance’ report containing statistics on Covid-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status across England over the previous four weeks.
Their report, published Thursday November 25th covers data on infections, hospitalisations and deaths from Week 43 to Week 46 of 2021 (October 25th – November 21st).
The report reveals that there were 833,332 recorded Covid-19 cases, 9,094 Covid-19 hospitalisations and 3,700 Covid-19 deaths from October 25th to November 21st. Of these the unvaccinated accounted for 39% of all cases, 34% of all hospitalisations, and 19% of all deaths. Whilst the vaccinated accounted for 61% of all cases, 66% of all hospitalisations, and 81% of all deaths.
Look, you bought a pig in a poke….admit it and move on.
“Look, you bought a pig in a poke….admit it and move on.”
Omicron may change the data but it does not change the fact that vaccines HAVE reduced hospitalizations and deaths. Trying to pretend they have not succeeded is pathetic, delusional denial of science.
More importantly, a 3rd shot of vaccines has been shown to offer protection against omicron so the science does not support your claim that the vaccines do not work against omicron.
Lastly, all of the variants of concern emerged from countries with low vaccination rates because the best way to mutate a virus is to let spread unhindered in a population. We would be much worse off if we lived in a world with no vaccines.
“….delusional denial of science.”
Geeze you sound like an Antarctic Research team!
Look, I’ve got this rock see – and this rock keeps the moon from hitting the earth see – It’s all science, if you are homer simpson.
“vaccines HAVE reduced hospitalizations and deaths. ” This only pertains to Covid deaths— and I am skeptical about the vaccine impact there, given the way ” unvaxed” is defined for statistical purposes– 21 days past a vaccine, such that the 21 days includes a vulnerable period after vaccination when your immune system is weakened.
You totally ignore the vaccine side effects, many stemming from a weakened immune system. Here I am thinking of the strokes, heart attacks, neurological problems, suddenly rampant cancers, etc. Since deaths seem to be up significantly with vaccine roll outs in many countries, I think your claim is pretty shaky.
Sure TimG, must be the new math.
Looks 95% effective, yup, yessiree Bob………remember TimG, your lying leftists heroes North and south of the border, practiced Goebbels’ lie, 95%, 95%, 95%…..
Take DEEP GULPS of the Kool Aid, TimG, DEEP GULPS!
77% fully vaccinated, 60% ICU admission. Relative risk <=3.0 is statistical noise.
being vaccinated significantly reduces the likelihood of ICU admission and death
“Significantly” has an actual meaning in statistics. The differences between population vaccination rates and ICU/hospitalization is not statistically significant: the vaccines do nothing.
That is not true for every age group. Young people are not served by vaccination. This is even more the case when you consider the confusion involving the difference between being admitted or dying FROM covid as opposed to WITH covid. Or is that disinformation? If so someone had better tell dr Fauci as he just described that very problem on air the other day.
Simple minded statements such as yours don’t hold much scientific or logical merit. They are better suited to politicians or talking heads on tv. You know, the folks you got them from
Exactly. Well said. Depending on a segment of population vaccines may or may not be a net benefit. It is utter insanity to treat a healthy teenager by the same cost benefit metric that applies to a geriatric diabetic with cancer.
“We have to work with what we have…”
Horse. Shit.
The purveyors of the “vaxxes” consider “what we have” (e.g. HCQ, Ivermectin, Vit D/C/zinc, etc.) as verboten. This despite the fact that they possess a proven long term human safety record, unlike any and all of the “vaxxes”. The “vaxxes” were not “what we had”, were previously untried, are poorly tested, have zero long term safety record and have completely & entirely failed at what the “experts” initially said they would do. I could give a fukc how much they allegedly reduce ICU admission & death from a virus that is already >99% survivable. There would be far fewer people in the ICU’s if there was actually a prophylactic and/or treatment system allowed, instead of, “stay at home until the virus has had ample opportunity to completely overwhelm your body, then to come to the hospital”. And, before you even begin to open your mouth, “vaxxes” are not a treatment system. They’re part of the problem.
Time to get rid of government. Not just the party in power, the government.
BTW Francisco, the Heather Heying article you linked to is spot on. Thanks.
I dont know about you..
But Im tired of covid being treated like some weird assed sports team weather report.. War maps with big arrows and scary out of context numbers.. What is this? We are not at war .. No front line.. No peace treaty, no armistice.. Nothing..
It really is fear porn.. Far too many are addicted to it.. It needs to stop now..
It wasn’t that long ago that all of these numbers were heavily skewed towards the unvaccinated. Other than deaths(for now) that is no longer the case. The trend is clearly showing that the vaccines are making up increasingly larger parts of all the categories.
“It wasn’t that long ago that all of these numbers were heavily skewed towards the unvaccinated”.
Yes, upwards of 82%, and I think that is the reason the Province recently changed the entire format of their Covid Dashboard, to muddy the waters.
Other than deaths? Seems odd unless you consider, last year the govt. used to report the deaths of people as dying OF covid and now all of a sudden they are reporting the deaths of people as dying WITH covid.
Completely agree!!! I recently read that Ontario is planning to stop reporting “cases” and will now state “hospitalizations”. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out the rationale for this decision since the majority of + cases are among the vaxxed. It’ll be interesting to see how they report the hospitalizations once the vaxxed outnumber the unjabbed
News flash! Stop the presses!!! Old people die in Manitoba! Who knew? Shocked I tell you, I’m shocked!!!
https://www.chrisd.ca/2020/12/27/covid-19-manitoba-524-new-cases-sunday/
Also notice the cases with underlying illnesses…
Figure 9. Percentage of COVID-19 Cases With Underlying Illnesses, Manitoba, March 13, 2020 – December 25, 2021
Examine that paltry number for how many died from covid as the proximate cause in their death, rather than simply testing positive?
Manitoba in an excellent case study. On one hand you have grifter gesticulations about “record deaths,” but with numbers small enough to easily examine each case to confirm the actual cause of death, which will surely be less than reported covid deaths.
Governments are unwilling to do that because it will show the lockdown and mask juice is not worth the squeeze on their power.
For themselves they torture society. Yes, where were the PPE protocols, treatments and therapies from big pharma and government?
It seems amorality reigns, where one death more important than another, a tragedy here, a statistic there, a morbid calculation.
How far are we from covid (and climate change) death panels? (Sorry, my out loud voice again)
How much you wanna bet that proper healthcare is being denied to the unvaxxed, causing the death rate?
Also, note that none of the deaths are “partially vaccinated” or “unprotected”, whatever that means. Get 1 shot and don’t ever wear a mask?
“How much you wanna bet that proper healthcare is being denied to the unvaxxed, causing the death rate.” That would be worth investigating. I am puzzled by why there are many more vaxed ending up in ICU, but larger numbers of unvaxed are dying.
We know from the start that the unscrupulous vaccine tyrants have discouraged information on early treatment, and prevented Doctors from offering that, admitting in interview that the competition of different treatment might encourage vaccine hesitancy. Right there, already, is an explanation for a good number of the extra deaths in the un-vaccinated.
“Take the treatment of our liking, or you get none at all.”
I am vaccinated, and have had Covid, but find those that are turning a blind eye to these actions by medical bureaucrats and political leaders abhorrent. My booster will be through exposure.
Hey Tim G. What preventative protocols or out patient care programs have governments and big pharma developed and promoted.
If you said none, you are correct.
Name any other potentially fatal disease this is done for.
So why Tim are vaccines the only answer?
Since you are now hanging your hat on simple lessening of symptoms, the McCullough and zelenko protocols have proven that they’re effective at preventing 85% hospitalizations and as such deaths.
And you won’t get myocarditis or any of the other extremely negative side effects.
Or destroy the economy and lives.
Well spotted, Ward. In fact governments and hospitals want them full. Governments for fear propaganda, hospitals for financial reasons. Also, for mpost nations, experiemntal drugs cannot be OK’d if treatments already exist.
As they have been doing since day one they are playing games with the numbers.
For fourteen days after the first , second, and/or third injection a person is considered and counted as unvaxxed.
Wouldn’t it be nice to know what percentage this category occupies in the numbers? Might open some eyes.
This also enables them to cover up those who die immediatley from the vaccine.
That was what I was wondering about Jimmy. Is that how they do it in MB? I know in SK that they consider you ‘unvaxxed’ for 14(or is it 21 now?) days after the first shot. It has been mentioned before that we need a category for the completely unjabbed. The graphs are a bit ‘fudgy’ with the current way they manipulate the data.
That’s a huge problem with interpreting these stats.
I want to know what their BMI is. This is not a pandemic of the unvaxxed, it is a pandemic of the obese.
Easy there, big fella. The BMI is not a very useful indicator. I wish they came up with better. I got as bad case of covid and my BMI was 30. I could do a full blackbelt workout, bench my weight easy enough and run a good mile. BMI doesn’t take muscle mass into account.
Sorry for the rant there. It offends me that I am part of a possibly misleading comorbidity statistic.
Month 92 (?) of two weeks to flatten the curve and the only consistency for the entire plandemic is the fact that the virus(s) still have a greater than 99.9% recovery rate. The experimental, approved for emergency use only, gene therapy….not so much.
A friend of mine got two jabs and then her tumour started growing like crazy. She’s not getting a booster. Her friend, also double jabbed, was on a ventilator but got better. This was in Pennsylvania where the medical care is better. No freaking way I’m getting vaccinated in Canada where the medical care is substandard due to the unbelievable wait times.
I’m unvaccinated keeping my head down (by avoiding the vaccinated) and waiting for the vulnerable to chicken soup variant.
What government is promoting this Allan?
This is getting to the really good part of the sci-fi movie in real life show. Cue the plague that only affects the vax-vax booster people.
It’s being argued that the “vaccines” are working very well. Actually, BETTER than expected! Links below. The more recent essay:
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/red-pill-or-blue-pill-variants-inflation-and-the-controlled-demolition-of-society/
and then:
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/
The topics covered are all well familiar to SDA readers and the two pieces bring together a wealth of resources. Debating case numbers, hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths is pretty much where those pulling the strings want us to be. And as someone wrote around here (and I may be paraphrasing): “today’s conspiracy theory is tomorrow’s news”.
And how many of these deaths were caused by the Omicron variant? They don’t tell us that, do they?
Y’all lost your immunity AND made Bill Gates wealthier.
How’s that working out for ya?
Kind of off topic, but connected.
steakman is usually a prolific poster, especially on covid issues, but he’s MIA the last few days, I miss his wisdom and humour, and mostly his well done research on such issues. I sincerely hope he’s OK.