50 Replies to “Open Question for the ‘Occupy’ Supporters”

  4. Robert, I think you miss the point. They DO NOT want a job, they want money in the mail. More specifically, they want YOUR money in THEIR mailbox. And that mailbox would be on a home that YOUR MONEY pays for.
    That is what this is about. Those are the ‘special’ people who believed what their government school (AKA teacher’s union) taught them … that competition is bad. They should get paid for showing up on planet earth.

  5. Who’s looking for a job?
    We just want money, now what is so hard about that to get your head around?

  6. Not only do I have a job but I have actually made jobs for other people and intend on continually doing so.
    Why do you ask?

  8. Jobs without capitalism is an oxymoron. If there is no capitalism, i.e. all you have is communism, then there is simply a role in the collective.

  9. Hippies tend to be capitalists, whether they call themselves capitalists or not. THEY want top dollar for the goods or services they sell. For eg., Wreck Beach vendors.

  10. Under communism they will be made to work whether they like it or not. In factories in the Soviet Union there were dozens of people to sweep the floors even though the job could be done by a handful of people. Also, under communism there is mandatory conscription. I’m pretty sure they don’t want to be forced into the army. These retards had better rethink what they want in their ideal society.

  12. Not only do I have a job but I have actually made jobs for other people and intend on continually doing so.
    Bourgeoisie alert.

  13. The unfocused, spoiled-brat quality of the occupiers reminds me of Al Capp’s L’il Abner comic strip in the 1960s. Capp satirized the protest movement of that time by inventing a group called Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything. SWINE for short. Unlike todays’ crowd, the 60s protesters did have a cause — ending the Vietnam War. So Capp was wrong about them. But were he around now, he would be bang on.

  14. Ah yes, good old Al Capp.
    Long before magic unicorns, he created just what these people are looking for – the Shmoo.

    Cartoonist Al Capp was already world-famous and a millionaire in 1948 when he introduced an armless pear-shaped character called the Shmoo into his daily “Li’l Abner” strip. The unusual creature loved humans. A Shmoo laid eggs and bottles of Grade A milk in an instant, and would gladly die and change itself into a sizzling steak if its owner merely looked at it hungrily. Its skin was fine leather, its eyes made perfect buttons and even its whiskers made excellent toothpicks. Shmoos multiplied much faster than rabbits, so owning a pair of Shmoos meant that any family was self-sufficient. Of course the Shmoos proved too good for humanity’s sake and therein was the basis for Capp’s ultimate (and tragic) satire. But a remarkable phenomenon occurred during the telling of his tale.

  15. They don’t want what we would call a job. They want to sit around a conference table with fancy titles such as “agriculture culture minister” and dictate to the rest of us proletariats… while they live better lives with medicine, dachas and personal motor vehicles due to certain priviledges of their self-sacrificing demanding jobs.
    Yeah those of us who’ve been around and have heard family members speak of this know the truth behind these “idealists”.

  16. Once again, you assume that everyone who is concerned about wealth distribution is a radical leftist. Of course, this is because you’re a radical rightwinger, so it’s understandable that you’re unable to make that distinction just as those on the radical left think that all capitalism is bad.
    Me, I support a basic capitalist system. Just not rapacious, unregulated capitalism that seems bent on returning us to where we were pre-1920, albeit with flatscreen tvs and microwavable pizza pockets.

  18. Jobs without capitalism is an oxymoron. If there is no capitalism, i.e. all you have is communism…
    Uh, no…capitalism and free enterprise are two completely different things. Free enterprise is a concept whereby people are free to indulge in whatever enterprise they feel benefits them. Capitalism is a system, originally named by Marx as a foil to his communism.

  20. “unregulated capitalism”
    John
    The reason why the economy is sputtering down to a standstill is because capitalism is now too regulated…Govmint is the problem Johnny Boy…It’s the regulators not the investors. There is plenty of cash sitting in coffers waiting to be invested.
    It’s idiots like Obama and European leaders who keep investors shying away because it is now a war between big Government livelyhood and Capitalism.
    Repeat after me John (Like the hippies do in their tent cities) “TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT…GOVERNMENT IS THY ENEMY”
    Speaking of the OWS freaks: This is comedy gold:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7WBLnj2iTqw

  21. They all are hoping the golden calf of government will pay the for life to do nothing.
    Its why they worship the State.
    In the end they will be working in the wheat fields for nothing, while armed guards stop them from running. Kinds retro Southern plantation rules, except they people on top will be Marxists.
    Like most young people the people selling this lie will dump them once their usefulness to their cause is done.
    I see it happen to people all the time from organizations or companies offering the moon , but in reality sending them to the outhouse.

  22. “Government is the enemy” is possibly one of the stupidest tenants of the right.
    Dude… we are the government. We’re a democracy… for the time being.
    The idea behind regulation is to ensure that corporate rapists don’t make off with everything. We make sure they don’t poison our water, steal our resources, or enslave people for their own ends.
    If you want to live in a place with zero government, move to Somolia, the most capitalist place on earth.

  23. John…I don’t think anyone has been talking about “zero” government. But you seem to be fairly stupid and I can understand how you might be confused. Somolia is NOT capitalist.
    Your idiotic comment about corporate rapists reveals you to be uneducated and living in a dream world.
    The greatest slave driver of all time is government. Corporations force you to do nothing. Governments use their power to force you to work for them.
    Grow up.

  24. Very good point. It’s not about ‘jobs’. It’s about redistribution of wealth and economic injustice. In other words, you have it and we want it.

  25. John at October 19, 2011 3:11 PM:
    “Me, I support a basic capitalist system. Just not rapacious, unregulated capitalism that seems bent on returning us to where we were pre-1920”
    So where, exactly, in free Western democracies does “unregulated capitalism” exist? Didn’t Bernie Madoff go to jail? And under Bush I and II weren’t the capitalist multi-millionaire scam artists and thieves in Enron, Worldcom, etc., all busted? In fact so many of these people are getting busted in recent years that some of them have even committed suicide rather than “face the music”. That doesn’t sound to me like a broken system that encourages “rapacious unregulated capitalism”, it sounds to me like a system that actually works.
    The problem with the fantasy-world Socialists is they want a system that is perfect, where there is simply no room for anyone to ever cheat again. Well fine, then move to Communist North Korea or China! They have developed the perfect system to avoid anymore capitalist cheating: it’s effected throught a totalitarian dictatorship and enforced by a police State.
    The exception being, of course, the Communist Party elites are allowed to be capitalist cheats — and they never go to jail. Communism simply concentrates all of the capital and means of production into the hands of the State — the Communist-Socialist State is allowed to practice all the rapacious capitalism it wants, as a completely unregulated monopoly, and under the absolute control of its unelected tyrants. Communism-Socialism is in fact the epitome of how to permanently implement an evil unjust capitalist system.

  26. Tory:
    You’ve got it half-right.
    European-style socialism and Obama’s vision pits Big Government against the workers.
    Without profitable corporations and their employees, governments have nowhere else to extract income.
    I would never dispute that the proponents of Big Government have good intentions … that is to give help to the truly needy.
    Now, whether compassion is better carried out as an age-old responsibility of an individual or the state is pretty clear.
    Our church, for example, takes up collections and sends it to help out run schools in Haiti. No bureaucracy, totally efficient and more than 98% goes to the upkeep of the school.
    Big Government is way less efficient in the distribution of compassion and by going into debt to carry out its ‘compassionate’ acts, enslaves its workers.
    Greece is a prime example, where 40% of the populace is employed by the state.
    Collapse of the welfare state is inevitable. Greece’s road to hell certainly was paved with good intentions.
    The free market will survive because it is a reflection and sum total of each free individual’s purchasing decisions.

  27. Obama is a puppet for the mega rich, such as George Soros, and the slackasses occupying Wall Street are Obama’s footsoldiers. Joe Biden called the protesters “Van Jones’s guys”…so no wonder Barack Obama is on their side.

  28. Jouh writes, “‘Government is the enemy’ is possibly one of the stupidest tenants [sic] of the right.”
    I think he means “tenets”.
    Another thing John has wrong: no one on the right suggests no government. It’s BIG government, which is too much government—and unsustainable—that the right objects to.
    Straw men arguments are not compelling, John. Try again.

  29. Too many of us think that Government is some sort of force that is above man’s inherent weaknesses and it is best at auto regulating itself.
    Government has replaced God in many a mind and this is why we are heading for bondage.
    Striving to understand human nature is the best route to true freedom.

  32. The far left, including the OWS crowd and most Democratic politicians, remind me of one of Conan the Barbarian’s most famous (movie) lines, with changes.
    I think they would say their greatest pleasure would be: “To crush your taxpayers, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their children. …

  34. Question for the lib-left trolls
    Let me illustrate with a story I once heard.
    A well known literary figure, I believe it was attributed to George Bernard Shaw (rightly or wrongly) was attending a high falutin sorriee one evening and was approached by a young beautiful social climber that was known for being seen with all the beautiful people, and making sure she was invited to all the best social gatherings. After striking up a discussion with Mr Shaw, he asked (tongue in cheek) if he paid her a grand figure would she be willing to share a bed with him. She playing along, responded with a laugh what a sly devil he was. He then followed with a counter proposal if she would be willing to prostitute herself for a much smaller amount say two bits. She then responded with shock and outrage as to what kind of a lady he thought she was. Shaw replied, “Madam, we have established what kind of woman you are, now we are just discussing price.”
    We on the right know what the protesters want, now if they would be so kind as to get to the point and tell us their price.
    Its not a protest about right or wrong, its an occupation demanding dane geld*.
    *google it if you dont know what the term means.

  35. Rudyard Kipling
    Dane-Geld
    A.D. 980-1016
    It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
    To call upon a neighbour and to say: —
    “We invaded you last night–we are quite prepared to fight,
    Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
    And the people who ask it explain
    That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
    And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!
    It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
    To puff and look important and to say: —
    “Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
    We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”
    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we’ve proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.
    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
    For fear they should succumb and go astray;
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
    You will find it better policy to say: —
    “We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that pays it is lost!”

  36. Once capitalism is abolished, all of humanities needs will be provided by the caretakers of Socialistopia, the magic land of fairies and unicorns, where goods and services sprout from the ground, and nobody ever has to think for themselves. Which is good, because thinking is outlawed.

  37. Its not a protest about right or wrong, its an occupation demanding dane geld*.
    *google it if you dont know what the term means.
    Posted by: joseph at October 19, 2011 6:07 PM
    I did, interesting and a very good observation.

  38. Didn’t the Communist system always guarantee each worker a job. Of course it might not be a good one and as one occupier told Ezra the other day, “I could get a job but I want one that has meaning, where I can do something for humanity.”

  39. Notice the trolls, and Mobys, when challenged, go silent and drift away. Not interested in a factual discussion, just ad hominem, Alinsky tactics. Coward no-minds.
    When I look at the ‘occupy’ crew here in Victoria, what I see is like the Fernwood neighbourhood has up and transposed itself in Centennial Square downtown.
    Same old dope smoking, welfare, artsy fartsy, coffehouse crowd.
    Explain to me who else can afford to sit around all day, bang the bongos, smoke dope, and ‘save the world’ all at the same time?
    No excuses, Victoria’s unemployment rate is 6.3%, with lots of jobs available in the service industry. No, you won’t get rich there.
    You want to be rich? It won’t happen sitting in a tent in Centennial Square, on welfare, complaining about something that no matter what, you cannot change.

  40. jmd, foobert:
    Let’s not forget Mammy Yokum’s famous dictum:
    “Good is better than evil because it’s nicer”

  41. What that dude doesn’t get is that you have to work for “access” to that wealth. It takes big effort to gain access to wealth – that’s why people in the West dream big. You know how they say, “It’s not the destination that counts, it’s the journey.” Well, it’s the effort put into getting access to the wealth that result in feelings of self-worth. Why don’t these jokers get that?

  43. Why can’t we have a caring, sharing society like they have in Greece.
    What’s that?
    Oh sorry, like they HAD in Greece.

  44. Dan BC:
    Like your attitude.
    If we let those losers define our future, then we deserve it.
    This is the last gasp of the over-reaching welfare state.
    Compassion has its place and I’m thankful that we did get a welfare cheque when my dad left us, but I would be ashamed of myself if I was part of this group of losers.

  45. it isn’t about *getting* the job, it’s ALL about *getting* access to a rightful share of the wealth. you know, like not being exploited in those hideous $4 an hour McJobs. and what taxes you pay go to finance bank bailouts and trillion dollar arms industries.
    Anybody who believes they are somehow automatically entitled to a share of wealth without doing anything of substance to earn it, will forever be poor. Nothing, no matter how much you are given, will ever be enough because somebody will always have more. You’ll forever spend your miserable days dreaming and scheming about how to grab what you claim as your due instead of figuring out how to improve your lot all by your sorry self.
    I suspect you are young. Here’s my advice. Work two McJobs. Live frugally. Bank or invest the second income until you have saved enough to open your own damn hamburger stand. No doubt, with your striking ingenuity, it’ll be a roaring success.
    Though I think given your grandiose sense of entitlement, if you ever were to get there, you’d be the first guy to stiff employees and suppliers and short the government coffers.
    Whatever did we in Canada do to deserve such people?

  46. Robert L and langmann and ricardo have it right.
    “access to a rightful share of the wealth”, this sounds like something some of our families have heard before…like in Russia 1917. Tens of million deaths later, mostly the former KGB guys have it all. I am sure though that they will get it right next time, won’t they.
    @ Peter O’Donnell, I suspect that some of the other socialist European countries are also discovering the fraud of socialism.

  47. “Striving to understand human nature is the best route to true freedom.”…RHTT
    …..and the best tool, perhaps, to taming the socialist beast.

  48. Simple answer to that question. Brother Dwain and Sister Nycole will smite the evil capitalists back to Alberta and in their absence provide beautiful government jobs for us all.

  50. I find it funny the CTV reporters can stand in front of a huge CUPE baner and say (with a straight face) that the occupy movement is “leaderless” and “spontanious”.
    What we really need is some responsible journalism to dig in and discover who is organizing these events and who is paying the freight. From there we can discover what the real goals are, and work to quickly deflect them.
    My personal opinion is the end game is to see violent riots like Chicago 1968 or the current riots in Greece in order to provoke public opinion into demanding emergency “changes”.

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