… a plan today that would make all murders illegal in Toronto, a series of measures that will effectively shut down human aggression and make it all but impossible for murderers to reside, conspire, or function within city limits.
… a plan today that would make all murders illegal in Toronto, a series of measures that will effectively shut down human aggression and make it all but impossible for murderers to reside, conspire, or function within city limits.
I’m sure glad that I’ve never been to Toronto. It sounds as if it’s a very dangerous place. It will undoubtedly be much safer once this plan is implemented. There’s so much evidence that passing laws reduces crime.
David Miller is an idiot. The people who supported and continue to support him – here Margaret Atwood’s stupid smiling face comes to mind – are idiots. The doofus himself said
“It’s about a value. Do we as a society value safety, or do we value a hobby that creates danger? And nobody can deny that that hobby directly results in people being shot and killed on the streets of our city. Those are the facts. And they’re provable again and again and again.”
The lengths to which Miller and other leftist idiots will avoid putting blame on perpetrators, of actually apprehending and incarcerating them, is astounding.
Outlawing murder?
Wow! What a concept!
While he is at it, could he do something about gravity too? It’s keeping the disadvantaged down…
SOS . . .
Stuck
On
Stupid
Send help. Urgent!
Set You Free: Wunderbar!
Next we will have the the mayor declare in a GRAVE and unctuous tone:
The KILLER is a MURDERER!
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht
Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
You have to understand the mentality of leftist morons like mayor david miller.
He is a true left-wing ideologue.
Mayor miller only attacks legitimate gun owners because they are,for the most part,WHITE MALES that vote conservative.
In other words his political “competition”,or rather his “enemies”.
He totally ignores the fact that for the last 35 years STRAIGHT,without exception,greater than 80 percent of all gun crimes in Toronto have been committed by Negroes and other visible minorities.
Mayor miller ignores this because Non-Whites are NOT his competition in life,but White Male Conservatives are.
He will do just about anything,and he will say any baldfaced lie against law abiding gun owners(conservatives),but not one word will come out of his mouth to address the criminal hand holding the gun,pulling the trigger.
The mind boggles! What is he planning on doing about enforcing his ‘new’ law? The cops will be sooo pleased to hear about this…
This man is ahead of his time.
What incredible fool this Miller is. I do believe he is mentally ill.
I have a dog that sleeps by my chair. Whenever I hear a stray dog bark, I kick my dog. I’ve been applying this anti-barking program with ever- bigger boots and ever-harder kicks for years. It sends the right message. It hasn’t actually reduced the barking, but you gotta give the program a chance to work ….
This man is surely ahead of his time.
Despite the fact that it has been proven that gun bans increase rather than decrease violent crime, I think that this is a good idea. Usually these failed ideas are imposed on all Canadians at the behest of the large cities. This time just Toronto will experience the unintended results.
” … but not one word will come out of his mouth to address the criminal hand holding the gun,pulling the trigger.” No, it’s a communal problem you see. Individuals have no prime responsibility, besides, jail doesn’t work. You knew that didn’t you?
Since all guns will be banned, the police won’t need firearms either; even fewer guns making it that much safer on the streets.
Insanity rears its head, opens its mouth, and talks
“policy”…
The alternative really is to decriminalize it and make murder legal, so nobody will be interested in it anymore and you can get your needles and bullets from the free-clinic…
Hans:
I’m anxiously awaiting Miller’s declaration on the sanctity of human life.
But then, I predict he will be hesitant to go there.
Human history apparently started the moment this self-centered idiot was born.
And, of course, nobody in human history has dealt with the concept of ‘thou shalt not kill’ before the annointed one came up with the idea for this proposed law.
Mayor Pushes To Make Shooting People Illegal In Toronto
You mean all this time it was legal?
Hey lets outlaw all crime next or maybe say nothing is a crime, therefore you have none.
I didn’t know David Miller was a god who controls all human emotion so all aggression from man disappears. Will he spread his aura around Toronto inducing a narcotic effect on there populace?
Or will he bore all & sundry into moving. I bet he sets up a public rat line. In all the history of man on Earth only David Miller can defeat human nature. Ladies & gentlemen our answer to Al Gore. David Miller.
Miller and McGuinty are leftists. That means that they define themselves as an elite, which is to say, as people who are of a higher intellect, morals and knowledge than…everyone else. As such, we dimwit peasants require their governance.
The leftist assumption is that we peasants do not, on our own, take any initiative. We act only because of the influence of others or the influence of objects.
We murder only if we have a gun. And, according to Miller, the guns all come from the USA. Stop the guns, and the violence will cease.
Now, Miller is declaring that even as a sport, the gun is, itself, a cause of violence.
The leftist mind is incredible. I have to admit I’m always stunned at the vacuity, the open-spaces, the vast nothingness of the leftist mind.
They refuse to acknowledge the perpetrator of violence. The individual. Who orders and buys the gun. The individual who takes it with him on a robbery. The individual who uses it to ‘settle scores’ between gangs. None of these intentional acts have any reality to the leftist.
Because their view of the peasantry is that peasants don’t think or have intentions (good or evil intentions). Peasants only act on orders – ordered to be violent because of violent videos; or ordered by their violent guns.
Therefore, stop the videos, stop the guns. And presto – no more violence.
Same mindset as the HRC leftists. They too view Canadians as mindless peasants who behave as they do because they are programed and motivated by Others or by Objects. Such as reading opinions, such as a video, such as a gun.
Meanwhile, violence in Toronto continues to escalate. Each week, we hear about not only shootings but knifings – a favourite weapon. The perpetrator is often someone out on parole or bail. The driver of the stolen car has lost his licence for previous infractions. And still, Miller and McGuinty continue to ignore that these ‘peasants’ have, on their own, made these decisions to rob, steal, knife, gun down.
No- according to the left, the basic cause is The Object. Not the human being. Incredible.
When can we get alcohol banned?
I lost 30 IQ points just reading about it!
Shaken – I am still shaking from laughter over the gravity comment. I shall have to remember that one.
Well, everything that could be said has been said here. For me it is rather like trying to figure out how a grasshopper thinks when it comes to understanding what makes people vote for these space cadets.
The universe is a living organism.
Earth is part of the universe.
Guns, like the universe and earth, are by logica extention, also living objects with minds of their own.
Only fools would see the universe, earth and guns as inanimate objects. We, the wise, know all these so-called inanimate objects contain wills of their own.
So sayeth Gaia.
Is Miller worrying about his own safety? He’s like a gopher, he pops out of his hole when there’s been a shooting or to make just this sort of announcement. Is he worried about the safety of his own Socialist arse?
Hand guns have been regulated since the thirties and in this civil society, governed by the rule of law it is illegal to shoot people anywhere in the land.
Of course Toronto isn’t just anywhere, it’s off in a Socialist fog, a real true Lefty haven, isolated from reality. It’s the bastion from which the Liberals have kept power for decades due to unloading all the immigrants they dumped there and told to vote Liberal or terrible things would befall them.
This is as stupid as the “war on drugs”. If someone wants to get high, no matter what the law says, they will get high. If someone wants to shoot someone, they will shoot someone, no matter what moonbat miller has to say about it.
Toronto is a multicultural sewer, and I wish them good luck.
Mayor David Miller announced… a plan today that would make all murders illegal in Toronto
Brilliant! Why, he could declare Toronto a “Murder free zone” and that would all but solve the problem! That Miller feller, he’s a politician I could learn to like ~~
Well there you have it…proof that he has never heard of the Ten Commandments…
or he thinks he’s a deity.
Well said ET. Self accountability seems to be lost on people like that. It’s always someone else’s fault.
“This is about the mayor’s need to be seen doing something about gun violence,”
Because being seen to do something is much easier, and politically safer, than actually doing something.
And in this case, the doing would be an admission that every stupid lefty idea has been an abysmal failure. It’s much better to come up with even stupider ideas to “solve” the problem.
One more time with feeling, the leftist mind does not acknowledge “evil”. Therefore, to the left it is the gun that causes the crime not the evil person. To a leftist all people are good , all are equal ; if they do harm it is caused by an object, a gun or caused by a system that isn’t “progressive” enough to redistribute resources.
I was talking to some cops recently and asked them if was just me or does Miller have a pathological abhorrence of cops and of the simple process of catching and convicting those that break the law. These cops were seasoned and had lots of experience with the politics of their jobs, yet they confirmed that Miller is basically a cop hater.
The man is a graduate of Harvard Law school, he’s had a privileged education ; how did he end up with such a warped view of reality?
Cops without guns? Wonderful – I suppose they will use tasers. What about the Miller’s bodyguard? Are they to be disarmed?
Have *any* gun homicides in TO over, say, the last 10 years been committed with a *legal* handgun?
In Britain’s inner cities, where gun control is very strict, apparently the “kids” are switching to knives. More personal that way, no doubt.
As the other ‘her blondess’ Paris Hilton would say…”that’s hot’
I don’t think that the leftist view, nomdeblog, is simply that the peasants are basically good. I think that it’s that the peasants are incapable of reason, thought, self-governance. They are empty vessels and must be guided and programmed.
If they are programmed badly (according to the elites) by ‘not being loved enough’ then they will ‘turn out bad’. If they are programmed correctly (via lots of basketball courts) then they’ll be OK. They’ll be subservient, amenable and controllable.
This is a totalitarian view, held by such esteemed leftists as Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Marx, and yes, Plato. And by Miller and McGuinty.
The way to deal with the ‘bad behaviour’ of the peasantry is, besides programming them, via lots of social workers – to prevent them from having access to Bad Objects..which will program them just because they are Bad Objects. Guns. Videos. And the HRC believes – Bad Words Spoken/Written by Others.
Remember, the left views the mass as empty vessels, and the Duty of the Left is to control what goes into these vessels. The left rejects that the mass has any mind, any decision-making capacity, any agential forces of their own. It’s all about programming.
Kathryn: Bang on! Actually doing something has political risks. The workable program will have it’s highs and lows as it slowly progresses. This gives political enemies opportunity. Compare it to the war in Iraq or Afghan.
I believe Miller has even stated in the past that a ban is unlikely to work but the symbolism of appearing to do something is a must.
He missed something and that would be the knife as a weapon. If he really wanted to do something constructive he would ban all knives and forks, issue each person in Toronto a spoon, then we would see results.
Mayor Dave has moved in the Official Phantom Rankings from “useful idiot wrangler” to “dangerous saboteur”.
Leaving aside the issues of personal rights to property and self defense, immigration and the rest of it, Mayor Dave is doing EXACTLY what a series of New York City, Washington DC, New Orleans, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago mayors did 20 to 30 years ago.
We’re talking gun bans, racial sensitivity for cops, megabucks spent on “root causes”, catch-and-release, clean needle centers, the lot. Its all been done, and it lead to the near destruction of America’s great cities.
The one, lonely policy which has worked in Rudy Giuliani’s “Broken Windows” approach. Bust nuisance crimes like graffiti and petty theft, work your way up the food chain by busting storefronts for fire and health violations, etc. Pretty soon, all the violent criminals are IN JAIL having been busted for spitting and discovered to be carrying a gun and drugs too. Giuliani reduced the murder rate in NYC by double digits every year he was in office using that.
Miller KNOWS this. He knows. He’s not a fool. Therefore I can only conclude he has some kind of vested interest in the increasing decay of law and order in Toronto, or is the lackey of somebody who does.
Somebody please show the leftards how to use google. Then they could have found this all by themselves.
“Shadow home affairs minister James Brokenshire said: “The rise in gun crime demonstrated by these figures is alarming.” This of course was in an article dated August 2007, a full ten years after guns were banned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561107/Britain's-rising-levels-of-gun-crime.html
Kate; How come when I try to post I get a message that says my post has to be approved. I’ve always been a good boy and I promise to stay that way.
Silicon Valley Jim: Notwithstanding that I see the wit in your post, Toronto is actually quite a safe city with respect to violent crime. The crime rate tends to rise as one heads west in Canada and is much higher in cities like Winnipeg, Regina or Vancouver. The gun violence is mainly restricted to a few well known geographic areas of the city and within a well defined demographic. Stay away from those and you will almost certainly be safe.
Miller reminds me of an interview last year by Andy Barrie on CBC radio in Toronto. Barrie was speaking with someone regarding the banning of handguns thus reducing the number of murders. Barrie brought up the UK where handguns were banned after the Dunblaine massacre expecting the number of gun homicides had dropped. There was palpable surprise when the guest stated that gun murders have actually increased notwithstanding the ban. Reality can be a bitch.
Deductive reasoning is obviously not one of Mayor Miller’s strong suits. He wants to take guns out of the hands of honest law abbiding citizens and that will stop murders from occuring in Toronto. Lets fast-forward to having accomplished that. Now Mayor Miller observes with absolute surprise and dismay that there are still lots of murders and other gun crimes in Toronto. But how can this happen???!!!
Its the old saying, David – when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. There is another saying that gun control advocates just love to hate and that is “guns don’t kill, people kill.”
The stupidity of David Miller and Dalton McGuinty know no bounds.
ET “If they are programmed badly (according to the elites) by ‘not being loved enough’ then they will ‘turn out bad’. If they are programmed correctly (via lots of basketball courts) then they’ll be OK. They’ll be subservient, amenable and controllable.”
Yes and those are all external factors causing the bad. It allows the individual off the hook of accountability .. because they cannot be bad … it is their environment of no love or no basketball courts; that is what causes the bad … there are no bad people … only bad objects like guns .. ban the guns and we’ll achieve the perfect world of utopia that Miller believes is possible.
These leftist perfectionists think there will be only goodness flowing in our community provided we adopt their elitist system .. for them to run, because they are so brilliant … to that extent, I think we are saying the same thing.
Whereas a conservative thinks evil lurks and we need cops and law enforcement to keep the crime economy down to an acceptable level. I will always remember the utopians in the New York Times vilifying Ronald Reagan for calling the USSR the evil empire. The secular extremists at the NYT accused Reagan of being some kind of religious zealot for even thinking “evil” could exist. Déjà vu Bush and the Axis of Evil. Watch Obama .. he’ll just ban nukes.
Can we ban stupidity? There seems to be a lot of it in Canada these days.
ET, you mean people are idiots and must be controlled. Miller’s gun ban is right down that alley. Normal people will kill if they have a gun, that’s the thinking. We are all just a bad hair day away from shooting up the McDonalds.
In truth though, its actually worse than that. He’s using this issue as a reason to harass Harper and Co.and oppress his political opposition at home. Namely Conservative voters. No doubt hoping that if he makes life sufficiently unpleasant all the intelligent people will leave, and the morons left behind will keep voting for him.
Worked on me, I left in 1993 and don’t miss it. I was over there yesterday for a visit, spent a very pleasant afternoon skipping stones at Kew Beach and watching the chicks roller skate.
You can’t really do that up in the Jane/Finch ‘hood, and twenty years of Leftist policy is the reason why. Twenty more years and you won’t be doing it in the Beaches either. Its happened already in the USA, we’re no different here.
We could ban wars, too. That’ll fix everything!!
miller, mental midget.
People who voted for Miller, mental midgets
in the USA right-to-carry legislation has significantly reduced crime and saved lives
the mayor of toronto is an anarchist and his agenda is to further erode the quality of life by instituting policies which will increase crime and poverty – there can be no other explanation for his lunacy
mayor miller’s wife is a lawyer and sits on the criminal injuries compensation board and her job would be to reduce or deny claims to those who have been victimized by crime which is increasing in toronto at a rate which is now almost double that of comparable cities in the USA
if miller was interested in reducing crime and violence in toronto he would address the issue of the 150 known criminal organizations who operate out of toronto or the 25,000 grow-ops whereby the illicit substances are smuggled into the USA and traded for handguns which are smuggled back into canada across indian reservations which straddle the border
miller’s handgun ban is a progressive initiative designed to reduce personal freedom while disrupting society
toronto is a city in rapid decline socially, culturally and economically thanks exclusively to the progressive policies and mcguinty and miller
ET, the same mentality is in play about the disgraceful graffiti that covers just about everything in Toronto. Lovely marble walls, storefronts, transit stations, mailboxes are covered in this crap as you know living in the city. Of course the city demands the victim, the business owner, clean up the graffiti or be penalized and doesn’t even bother with the POS that vandalized their business!
Check the murders from cities in the Toronto area, Hamilton, Niagara Falls, and you find the same people involved, blacks, whether its guns, knives or whatever this is the criminal group that perpetrates it. Thanks goodness Toronto has its afro-centric school now and we are saved just in time. (sarc off)
Some relief though can be taken since it is your legal right to smoke dope in a business’s doorway on Main Street.
‘When can we get alcohol banned’? – that is next on the ‘agenda’ and it will bankrupt some more people that earn a living in the hospitality industry. First ‘they’ banned smoking, then they banned hat-less bike riders, then they banned guns…in the minds of these ‘rocket scientists’ when ‘their Preciousness’ say NO they mean NO. They are so lost in their own egos that they BELIEVE that the peons ( we, their patrons), will look up in awe at their ‘elevated’ (like Aristophanes’s floating ‘bureaucratic gods’ in The Clouds!!) persons and ‘hear’ the golden stream of bile that flows from their plump(ed up) lips; we will ‘behold’ and crash to our knees in organismic surrender!!
Some people really yearn to be submissive and martyred on the spikes of Bolshevism…others, not so much….the Bolshevik crowd take glee in PUNISHING certain ‘special interest groups’; I wonder what ‘group’ this ban is made for – certainly not criminals – the smoking ban was to bankrupt private businesses, the gun ban was for independant (bothersome for Bolsheviks) people who don’t trust the gument to defend themselves and their families from criminals and wanna be tyrants…there IS a hidden agenda here and it will float to the top, like all scum, in due time.
‘Nomdeblog’ pointed out; “The man is a graduate of Harvard Law school, he’s had a privileged education ; how did he end up with such a warped view of reality?”
Aside from the obvious issues that we’ve all commented on here, how did this ‘Lawyer’ come to the conclusion that his city’s Charter allows him to make Criminal Code type law?
From this link:
http://www.toronto.ca/ourcity/newrelation.pdf
A City Charter for Toronto
* The Solicitor has advised the CAO that these powers can best be provided by the enactment of a City Charter for Toronto. Montreal, Winnipeg, Vancouver and Saint John are all Charter Cities.
* The Charter would be custom-built to meet Toronto’s unique needs and responsibilities.
* It is achievable within the existing legal framework for municipal government in Canada.
* The existing City of Toronto Acts simply do not do the job. They do not provide Toronto with any additional powers that are not in the outdated and restrictive Municipal Act. In fact Toronto, with twice the population of Manitoba, has fewer powers than other smaller municipalities in Ontario since the province removed Toronto’s authority to give community names to its electoral wards.
A strategy to achieve a new relationship with Ontario and Canada
* These proposals are a starting point. The report also recommends a five-pronged strategy to advance the City’s case for new legal arrangements. The strategy includes:
* direct negotiations with the provincial government;
* direct negotiations with the federal government;
* collaboration with municipal associations like the AMO and the FCM;
* collaboration with other large cities in Ontario and across Canada; and
* activities to stimulate public interest and civic engagement.
I’m sure the Provincial Gov’t would LOVE to offload the cost of ALL Criminal proceedings IN Toronto onto Toronto!