56 Replies to “It’s A Start!”

  1. They work very very hard to insure you cannot get compensated for vaccine injury, unless you die.

    1. I do not think they are doing much compensating of those who die either.

  2. Of course there can be serious side effects to these vaccines. Myocarditis, for example, is rare but possible. This is not some new revelation. There have been countless studies measuring their side effects.

    The problem is this: when you administer a vaccine hundreds of millions of times, ailments will occur to some people immediately afterwords that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Statistically it must happen. So how do we differentiate between those ailments that were caused by the vaccine and those that weren’t? How do we avoid making “post hoc, ergo propter hoc” fallacies?

    I honestly have no idea. It’s a pity that Campbell did not address this issue.

    1. KM, how do we explain the rise in all cause mortality that just happened to start shortly after vaccine roll-out.
      How do we explain the rise in aggressive cancers?

      If the possibility of serious side effects is so obvious why was there never a discussion of risk vs reward on these vaccines?

      How can a compassionate society mandate people expose themselves to potentially serious side effects, when those people will receive zero benefit?

      1. You are not addressing my point. I never claimed there were no adverse effects. In fact, I said the opposite.

        Regarding your point, however, the reason there was a rise in mortality when the vaccines were being rolled out is because we were in the middle of a pandemic. This will increase “all cause” mortality.

        In regards to the “rise in aggressive cancers”, I don’t know of any good evidence that this is happening. I know some people like Peter McCullough and Angus Daglieish claim it is, but that’s not evidence.

        1. Why is all cause mortality still so high and climbing? Surely all the people who were going to die from Covid would have done so by now. Further the mortality jumped while many were still under lockdown, that is very telling because all cause actually dropped at the beginning of the lock downs, prior to the vaccine roll-out.

          I acknowledged that you are now willing to cede adverse effects are a possibility, my question is why was this not admitted by persons in power at the beginning, why was there no discussion of risk vs reward.

          A compassionate society would not have mandated these injections.

          1. All cause mortality is not rising.

            There were far more excess deaths in 2022 than 2023 in Canada. I don’t what’s happened since last August since the Canada government website is very slow to update their statistics.

            https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2021028-eng.htm

            The U.K. and U.S. are better updating their statistics, and they show the same pattern of excess mortality returning to normal:

            https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=USA~GBR

          2. KM is a troll. He only quotes compromised, biased government reports, which surprisingly, show the Liberal government, and the Bidinh/Xi government doing a great job.
            Dead Rat is waiting for permission to believe anything different than the orthodoxy, from his handlers.

          3. “KM is a troll. He only quotes compromised, biased government reports”

            The only source of information for excess deaths is from governments. They are the only agencies with the power and resources to gather such information. Using the sole source of information is not trollish.

            Further, the U.K. and U.S. statistics show the same basic patterns as Canada.

          5. “Troll. Big pharma patsy.”

            This is what I find among anti-vaxxers: they have little or no solid evidence, what evidence they do have is either wrong or dodgy, and they think insulting others will lead to the truth.

          6. There’s lot of very solid evidence of the harms from the vax but everything anyone brings up you just dismiss. I’ve brought up the days 1-14 (21 in BC and Sask) all adverse reactions classified as happening in the unvaccinated many times and you have never commented. Every article I bring up you dismiss.

            I’ve also never heard you address the ethics of vaccine mandates or how informed consent was violated. No member of the public was ever informed about the potential of adverse reactions of any kind beyond a sore arm. And what about the vaccine will not stops transmission and stay in your arm but everyone must have it to stop the pandemic. Lies and more lies.

          7. “There’s lot of very solid evidence of the harms from the vax but everything anyone brings up you just dismiss.”

            I don’t dismiss it, I rebut it with evidence. There’s a difference. If you have evidence of widespread harm then present it and we can argue it out. Except for a few things — myocarditis (a rare occurrence) being one of them — I don’t see convincing evidence of this alleged harm. I DO see a lot of palpable nonsense being claimed.

            And I’ve never addressed mandates because I don’t choose to. I have enough on my hands taking insults from people who seem to have no knowledge of the science behind vaccines. Tough noogies.

        2. “we were in the middle of a pandemic.” Mortality was not excessive in 2020 — not even out of the ordinary. Deaths rose only after the vaccine rollouts. Moreover, the Covid virus would have been less virulent as time moved forward. The excess deaths are not explained The correlation with massive vaccine rollout (and fewer excess deaths in countries that did not have massive vaccine programs certainly make the vaccine a worthwhile area of investigation for this phenomenon.

        3. Western Australia had a rise in all mortalities in 2021.

          Nobody died of covid before feb 22 in Western Australia and there was only 1421 deaths total in the state.

          The only suggestion to a cause has been oh there may have been undiagnosed covid in 2021….

    2. Where I come from, ethics require you inform people those bad side effects might happen and you don’t censor dissenters. You also don’t hide your data on excess deaths, still births, miscarriages or cancers or myocarditis or incorporation into our DNA. You can make all the excuses you want. The authorities lied to us. THEY LIED TO US. We did not have informed consent. We were coerced into taking something on the false assurance the jab was required to stop the pandemic even though it did not prevent transmission and infection and we were told, incorrectly it was safe and effective. It’s neither. What we were subjected to was a crime against humanity.

      Defend the jab all you want. Trust has been destroyed for most of us. It’s going to take a lot more than your blithe, hair splitting assurances before people like me ever trust again.

      1. There are so many misstatements in that post, it’s hard to know where to begin.

        Instead I’ll just say this: No one gives a rat’s backside who you trust. Your feelings are your problems.

    3. You’re Mr Safe and Effective. Gaslight much lately now that those volumes of comments about how the jab saved humanity is being exposed as BS?

      1. Do you have anything of substance to bring regarding my original post? No? Well thanks for playing.

        1. Proof that you’re a Big Pharma butt kisser? How about your uncontrollable habit of denying and attacking any and all reasonable evidence to the contrary? That there’s only been TWELVE settled jab injury claims out of many thousands in a country as big as the U.S. shows there’s something rotten going on and you’re part of the intellectually dishonest stink. If you wore tights you could be called the Joker.

          1. “How about your uncontrollable habit of denying and attacking any and all reasonable evidence to the contrary?”

            And what is that “reasonable evidence”? Present it. A hallmark of the anti-vaccination movement is the presentation of poor arguments and evidence that don’t stand up to even moderate examination. And here’s the problem with bad evidence: it doesn’t get any more convincing just because there’s a lot of it.

            I keep saying over and over again: show me this convincing evidence. Rather than doing that, I get accused of shilling.

          2. Even if the vaccine was nothing but distilled water, there would be countless people who would come down with ailments shortly after their shot simply through bad luck. Statistically this must happen. And many of them, of course, would be convinced that the “vaccine” caused it, some of them adamantly so.

            Given this, I have no idea how a vaccine injury compensation program is supposed to differentiate between true injuries and simple coincidence. There’s rarely any way to establish causation in any one specific case.

    4. You look at the rates of myocarditis before the vaccine rollout and compare it to the number of cases immediately after. It’s basic math, and one of the reasons we keep records.

      But the liberals think math is racist and we didn’t need to record much of anything the last three years. So here we are.

      1. All that might prove is that the vaccines increased the incidence of myocarditis. It would not prove a vaccine caused myocarditis in any one specific case, which is what we would need to know to establish that the person was injured by the vaccine.

        But your suggestion doesn’t work for another reason: COVID itself caused myocarditis, and at greater rates (and severity) than the vaccines. It would be difficult to unwind the two effects just by looking at gross statistics.

        1. “ It would not prove a vaccine caused myocarditis in any one specific case, which is what we would need to know to establish that the person was injured by the vaccine.”

          Ok, now use the same approach to prove that the mRNA jabs saved lives.

    5. 17 million dead from the shots and you are still carrying water for the killers.

  3. The NYT article was heavily sanitized. They did not even name Pfizer. I am not hopeful.

  4. If anything, mortality rates should have fallen. After all, the first waves disproportionately ended the lives of those with the most serious comorbidities. A large number of the most at risk were eliminated. Instead, we see a rise in deaths at all age levels.

    1. The best way to look at excess deaths and vaccine injuries will not come from government statistics. Remember that government statistics kept newly vaccinated people lumped in with the unvaccinated for 14-21 days which polluted the data, this is now known as the “cheap trick”. Countries like the UK have also recently recalculated how they measure and report excess deaths.

      A better indicator is looking at insurance claims for death and disability benefits broken down into age groups. Also looking at increases in drug plan claims for diseases and disabilities identified as possible vaccine injuries.

      1. Exactly! If the government has nothing to hide, they should publish the data for everyone to see. ALL THE DATA. “Safe and effective” and if you believe that I’ve got some ocean front property in Saskatchewan for your winter tropical get away.

  5. So the Bolshevik health agencies are letting info out that yeah we have vaccine injured, but them and their delusional supporters say it’s a worthwhile cause for the common good bullshit.

    Hey you want this in your body, fill your boots get 100 shots, but when you mandate with threats of job loss, arrive scam, cannot travel anywhere, treat us like toxic disease circulating amongst humanity, I will never forgive you, but thankful to know who the scumbags really are.

    I’m 57, no shots, no tests and I don’t live in a cave either. I love when people rationalize their reasoning for the shots and rollouts, while I’m living proof that it was all a scam.

    I’ll die one day but not from the media/ goverment inspired pandemic fear tactics.

    So for the ones that took that garbage, maybe the next life you will grow a spine!

  7. “It’s a start” *OR* “It’s a limited hangout.”.
    Pardon my cynicism but I’d say the latter.
    I won’t bore you with my list of ideal starts ‘cos I’m sure you have your own list. But it’s too long to have any real possibility of coming to fruition.

  8. Something else worth noting, there is no convincing evidence that the vaccines saved any lives at all. They (authorities) keep making this claim, but they provide no proof.

    1. See if they had the proof they’d share the data. They’d let the “antivaxxers” talk and provide them the data to prove them wrong.

  9. Its not a easy process to come clean and save your rear end at the same time.. Don’t expect a political push back to match the political push down of the vaccine.. That was a one way street..

  10. All this was was yeah all vaccines cause injuries including this one, but those injured did so for the greater good, and by the way there wasn’t that many, only 13000 out of the whole population! So not a problem. But maybe we need to support the very few who got injured.
    No hope at all that this is any change to the narrative. Campbell is being naive.

  11. People like Campbell spurred the hysteria to never before seen heights. 20,000 small businesses and lives destroyed, thousands dead due to suicides, hypochondriacs, and neurotics multiplied, national debt quantum folded, rise of police state, and even greater division than Trudeau had hoped. All for a well known scam that millions could see, long before Campbell lifted his head of his arse.

    I’m glad he finally, finally, woke up, it’s just sad so many had to die for him to see what was evident all along.

  12. Pandora says, “Campbell is being naive”.
    I thought and have said as much many times at SDA.

    I had very little respect for him from the get-go but his ridiculous theory that the injuries may have been due to a failure to aspirate the needles did it for me, to such an extent that I actually wondered if he was a pharma shill.

    But in the end I adopted Pandora’s more generous view.

    1. At least he looked straight into a camera and apologized.
      That’s good enough for me from him.
      Others ….. Well……. I don’t have much respect for.

      1. That’s the problem “Killer”, your “Spock” like mind fails to wander and find.
        Right there with the word scared.
        You mistake many people being scared are instead rationally pi–ed, disgusted, at times disheartened , and at the same time proud because you stuck it the globalist son of a bitc–s
        We were willing to pay our penance fighting for something.
        I’m not stating a superiority of character, I could hardly do that believe me. But I do know my decisions at the time came just as much from my brain as my heart .
        The only fear I had was being able to stick to my ground, and be ground into it a free man.
        That’s what I feared, but it pales to comparison what I watched people, and worse- young kids and their parents go thru. ( just in my small circle }
        What if ? In light of scientific evidence, and socially as well, makes much more common sense then there wasn’t a “what if” in the first place . And there weren’t many if any” what ifs” coming from Mainstream and you know it!
        Maybe just realize the science needed for this debacle of biblical proportions, is evolutionary.
        And the very wonderful HUMAN side of science, the side of absolute truth that truly benefits us all.
        Is simply dead, killed by incompetence, corruption and then greed.
        I don’t wish you beat down Killer.
        But what you and I love about science to me anyways is gone (as it only profits the soul) will have to be fought for just like our country is going to have to be, one debacle at a time. If this country is ever going to serve for a soulful purpose again.
        If there was a decent chance that could happen.
        Then……….. you and I could agree.
        Other wise your blind to what just happened my friend.

      2. DR. Campbell is expressing thoughts that should be entertained by all medical scientists!!!! Pfizer was asked by representatives from the European Union if they had done any human testing with Messenger RNA—–the answer by Pfizer was ———–NO!

        Can you see a problem here?

        1. This is typical of the anti-vaxx movement. People make statements that are wrong, but none of their cohorts check for correctness because no one wants to check. They want it to be true too badly. They end up broadcasting piles of incorrect claims that are easily refuted.

          Pfizer was NOT asked if they had done any human testing with mRNA. They were asked if they had tested whether the vaccine reduced transmission before rollout. They replied no.

          They tested for safety and efficacy through a whole suite of human studies, as is required by the CDC. There didn’t test for reducing transmission before the vaccine was released because (1) it’s not required by the CDC, and (2) it takes considerable time to make such tests. Testing for transmission reduction was done after the vaccine’s rollout, and yes, it did reduce transmission.

          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-21/fact-check-pfizer-admission-transmission-european-parliament/101556606

          1. I can assure you I belong to no movements but I’m interested in the Truth! You on the other hand seem to be carry touch for Pfizer and Moderna both companies who used Messenger RNA!
            Mr Roos-A Dutch member of the European Parliament asked. Pfizer” President of international developed markets, Janine Small —–“if the vaccine was tested on stopping transmissions?”
            I assume Mr. Roos was talking about humans?
            In response Ms Small answers -” NO” “and says “The company had to move at the speed of science! ”
            Or could I help her and you—-The speed of MONEY!

          2. 1. Anti-vaxxers have a hard time believing anyone could disagree with them, so they accuse any doubters of their wild theories of being shills or worse. The reason I don’t buy into their theories is because the evidence doesn’t support them, plain and simple.

            2. You wrote “if they had done any human testing with Messenger RNA”, making it sound like Pfizer had not carried out clinical trials of any type. That’s a critical error on your part. Don’t blame me for it.

  14. Remember when the ratio of vaxxed hospitalized and dying caught up and FAR surpassed the ratio of unvaxxed? And poof! Those stats were pulled, the charts were pulled, blah blah blah, nothing to see here sheeple. Surely someone has the screenshots?

    1. I lost count of how many times I haven’t been sick and haven’t died since COVID started.

      1. Not to mention how many times I haven’t been jabbed and haven’t been boosted.

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