60 Replies to “The Libranos: YOU get a heat pump! and YOU get a heat pump!”

  1. our plans to control you require that you convert everything you own and use day to day to electricity.

    1. PG&E now routinely shuts OFF my electricity when the wind blows … because they took a 30 year holiday from routine maintenance … and diverted those funds for building new wind farms, and solar installations.

      And yes, we are now paying DOUBLE the National average for Electricity (and TRIPLE the market price of Nat. gas.). If ANY Canadian actually believes they are going to SAVE $$ by “going green” … they are criminally misinformed.

    1. yes, lots of canadians will fall for the “free money scam” where suddenly anything that is eligible for a subsidy will go up in price equal to the subsidy value

      1. Only 2.7% of Canadian homes have oil heat. Largely in liberal areas anyway.such as the welfare maritimes.

        The typical Canadian will be angry and jealous because they can’t cash in on the scam

    2. Millions and millions of them , and don’t forget the little darlings getting educated a new prog is molded every minute, and handed cell phones around 10 years old.
      Liberals are all about the illusion of easy, and today that’s all many Canadians have the stomach for.
      It’s sure interesting times.

  5. I recently talked the folks at the company that does the mechanicals .. such heat plumbing air conditioning … etc. They also do heat pumps …

    He told me they are garbage … don’t do the job in extreme temperatures .. such as Canadian winters (neither do EVs). He says that you would be lucky to get 10 year out them even in a more gentle climate.

    So, they are not worth it .. but I’ll bet Trudeau has pals in the heat pump business.

    Further, they sit outside your home. I expect your neighbors won’t like hearing them running at night when it’s sleepy time.

    Trudeau has to go before we do.

    2. They’re just like electric cars. Great for puttering around town during average times, but if anything more extreme is required….

  6. I’ll just repost what I said yesterday before this announcement:

    Alberta and Saskatchewan will only reach their potential if they go their own way. Staying in Canada is like remaining in an abusive relationship. The rest of Canada will never change, there’s just the odd short lived honeymoon period in between economic attacks.

    This statement holds true today. It was true in the past. It will be true in the future. Alberta and Saskatchewan will never get a fair deal in Canada.

      1. Me Too.

        Most of BC is small c conservative, and is every bit as fed up as Alberta and Saskatchewan.

        1. BC is a microcosm of Canada at large. You have a vast area with low population density being lorded over by a large centre that is absolutely clueless about problems and challenges faced by those living outside the lower mainland.

    3. Oh Yeah!
      The beatings will continue,until moral improves.
      Pretty amazing how frightened many Albertans are of “Independence”.
      Especially when the maths is undeniable.
      We will separate because we must.
      We cannot afford the cost of carrying Can Ahh Duh.

  8. “ When you have a lot of trees you have to at some point…see the forest. ”

    Sorry Quick but to just have him “go” away will not change how the west is viewed or how the country is governed. It’s a numbers game. We have a democracy with no checks and balances. We are governed by the mob. Mob rule. And Ontario and Quebec is the mob.
    Remember Mulroney, won a majority and the west was pacified…for a time. He won the majority without needing one seat in western Canada. And governed accordingly.

    We are poised to go there again and repeat history.
    There is only one way out of this situation.
    Free The West!

  9. I have a technical question…

    Heat pumps are known to only operate well in temperate climates such as the Maritimes and the west coast. They can’t handle severe cold.

    So what happens when people switch out their oil furnaces for heat pumps in the Maritimes, and then a bitter cold spell descends, as sometimes happen?

    https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/blizzard-warning-and-snow-squall-watches-issued-as-bitter-cold-arrives-in-maritimes-1.6259212

    A heating system must handle the worst possible situation, not just the average. The optimum situation is to have a hybrid system of both heat pump and fossil-fuel furnace, with a smart controller automatically switching between the two, but that’s more expensive and I’m guessing many won’t do that.

    2. One of my older brothers, who lives in PQ, has a heat pump. He dreads any time the temps go below -7C, because he does have a switching system that switches to electricity, and even in Quebec with their relatively cheap hydro electricity, heating with electricity gets pretty damn expensive, especially when the temps go down to -20C and below, as it does quite often in Quebec and Eastern Ontario, especially in January, February, and sometimes even in March.

    3. their electrical bill will go up, since most HP’s include resistive heating elements for when the pump can’t provide enough transferred energy… of course that won’t help when they have a ice storm and are without power for a week or more

      1. Okay, didn’t know they had heating elements, thanks.

        That means if everyone’s using heat pumps, the load on the power grid goes to 11 during cold spells. The Maritime provinces had better prepare for that. I wonder if the federal government is going subsidize that as well.

        But when the power goes down, everyone’s screwed except those with backup generators or wood stoves, as furnaces don’t work either.

        1. pretty much…

          realistically, you can avoid some of the increased electrical cost by going with a ground source heat pump, but the up front costs of creating the ground loop for most people is cost prohibitive.

          When I was looking at it for my former house, it’d be about 25k to drill and install the ground loops, and I’d still have a NG boiler as backup in the hydronic house loops.

        2. I can run my gas furnace with an inverter that plugs into my van, you need enough power to run the control system and the fan.

          In an emergency I can start my van, get the house as hot as I can, which takes about ten minutes, then the house stays warm enough for about six hours before I do it again.

          1. That’s sounds good, but when it’s -30 on the prairies you need more than 10 minutes every 6 hours.

    4. My late mother’s house in Montreal had an electric furnace (not heat pump) which switched automatically to oil heating during a severe cold spell. The bulk of the heating was electric though.

    5. I have a heat pump (came with the house) and it has an electric furnace for backup. I have my thermostat set to never turn the backup on since it’s insanely expensive but it’s there if needed I guess. Luckily we also have 2 gas fireplaces on the main floor for backup too. The best combo I saw when looking for houses was a heat pump with gas furnace as a backup. Basically you heat with gas and cool with the heat pump.

  10. Your PM is just so adorable and believable as he spouts his lies. No wonder he will be elected for a fourth time.

  11. The trained seals in the background clap like Dear Leader actually makes a blessed difference with his verbal delivery. Every time I hear the Prime Moron speak, I know that there is a lie coming that will cost the rest of us, based purely upon other lies. The coalition is incapable of understanding or telling the truth. CO2 is not pollution for a starter. I will put my Engineering degree up against this twerps’ constant barrage of crap any day of the week.

  12. Heat pumps have a function but don’t expect heat when it gets really cold, except from the electric unit it contains.

  13. Modern heat pumps do work down to -20C without backup electric heat strip. I know because I have one installed in my brand new house. But it is not cheap. Up front cost is prohibitive for most homeowners. My only other option was propane. The main problem with heat pumps, they are not efficient with existing forced air ducting, they do not move air properly. So switching out forced air gas or oil to heat pump will not save money.

  14. only heat with wood here.

    northern ontario. lotsa trees.

    but the cost of a face cord of hardwood has gone up to over $100/face cord.

    In the early yrs I cut/split and stacked all my own wood.

    but old age and payback for a miss spent youth

    have me buying now.

    still cheap compared to elec or oil.

    have lived in BC. Manitoba and Alberta

    Ontario cant compare to the folks out west

    born and bred Ontario, but jeez, folks are strange here.

    Manitoba had the BEST folks anywhere.

    I just couldnt handle the ‘breeze’ in the winter.

    Ontarians dont understand that the prairies feeds and the west heats us.

    I sincerely hope the west pulls out of canada

    but I suspect, the Onts and Que will cry so loud that they,ll call in the UN.

    GO FOR IT.

    1. Too many commies out west for them to vote for succession.
      Canadians – at the very least – are hardcore statists.

  15. I live in a rural estate-lot subdivision in Ottawa’s west end. When we bought our house almost 40 years ago, electric furnaces were the thing. Then came the dramatic rise in hydro rates and we switched to oil. Right away, I noticed a big difference. At the same temperature, the rooms felt a lot warmer with oil heat. A lot of my neighbours have switched to propane, but aren’t finding the big savings expected, as the price of propane has really gone up. Natural gas isn’t available here and probably will never be.
    Some have gone the heat pump route – one neighbour replaced his faulty unit with one of the new extreme cold weather types at a cost of $24K and boasting how much he was saving on heating costs. You can buy a lot of heating oil or propane for $24K. What’s recommended in my area is to keep your old furnace, just in case. If I want to switch to propane, I’m looking at at least $13K – furnace, tanks, lines to house, removal of existing furnace & oil tank, new hot water tank. My oil furnace is well maintained by a guy who knows what he’s doing. It’s 87% efficient and provides warm, cozy heat. And it’s clean, too, not like the old style units. Long gone are the days when I’d have to wash down the walls every spring. I’ve used nat.gas & electric heating and oil beats them for that warm feeling.
    A lot of the neighbours heat mainly with wood, judging by the tandem loads of logs in their yards. We used to do that, but we’re no longer up to days of sawing, splitting, stacking and hauling a weeks’ supply into the house. Plus the fine ash that settles on everything.

  16. I had a geothermal installation installed years ago and monitored my hydro bill for twelve months prior to installation and then twelve months after. In the twelve months prior we only heated part of the house with baseboard units, after installation we heated the whole house. Final result was that we used 5,000 Kwh less with the geo unit. Air to air heat exchangers (heat pumps) at the time were less efficient as the ambient temperature dropped, (physics) whereas a geo unit works on a fairly stable year round ground temp.

    On the down side of this lame-brained announcement where is all the electricity going to be produced to run the Liberal pie in the sky net zero targets when we’re all charging our cars and heating our homes with electricity. I don’t think there are enough unicorns or pixies living in Canada to produce the pharts and dust that the Liberals need to implement this dream. Then again the Liberals have been selling dreams for decades and Canadians keep buying the resulting nightmares. You’d think that after getting stuck with the first pig in a poke Canadians would smarten up, but as Barnum once remarked ” There is a sucker born….!”

    1. PEI can bring in NS coal to generate the electricity. I’m sure the Libs would grant them an exemption on the coal plant.

    2. Ant, “On the down side of this lame-brained announcement where is all the electricity going to be produced to run the Liberal pie in the sky net zero targets when we’re all charging our cars and heating our homes with electricity.”

      Nailed it! The plan is to get us all on electricity only! Then, the supply can be controlled, to control those supplied, namely, us the peasants. it’s a sideways attack to get at us, if they can’t get us with CBDC’s and “health” passports. Same with EV’s, eventually only the wealthy will be able to afford em, and we peasants will be reduced to local travel only, and only by cycle or bus. Any fool that thinks the turd is “helping” us is an idiot or a liberal sycophant. Scratch the surface and you’ll find the WEF small print!

  17. I have two heat pumps, they work great up until the temperature drops below -10 and then they can’t keep up. In England people are taking them out of their homes because they are two expensive to operate.

  18. Hubby is plumbing heating guy. We had a heat pump. Below -5 and the thing defrosted longer than it pumped heat. $$ Still need a furnace and if you live in climate that has -10 and lower you need back up heat.

  20. My friend in NS installed heat pumps and still gets a subsidy on electricity rates. Kept the fossil fuel boiler for supplemental heat which kicks in around 5C.
    Lots of wood heat where forest is.

  21. The federal government does not produce energy.
    Thankfully.
    You can argue about gas taxes or GST or HST or even income tax, but taxing people’s home heating costs in a land that tries to kill you with cold at least 4 months a year should bring about a revolution.
    “Price on pollution”
    Euphemistic shit talk.

  22. I don’t think too many people in Atlantic Canada are going to run out and buy a heat pump system just to avoid the carbon tax for three years. They should be bright enough to realize the tax will return with a vengeance just as soon as sparklesox is re-elected. The ROI is non existent over three years.

  26. We keep talking about Wexit and I moved here precisely for that. But after being here, I realize that not all of us are Kate. Not all of us are productive and independent-minded enough. Saskatoon is little Toronto on the prairies. The small town in which I live is full of people wallowing in victim culture – half of them are subsidized for all of the alphabet anxiety disorders you can imagine – ADHD, ASD, OCD, PTSD, and one hell of a lot of THC; half of them make me think Tommy Douglas wasn’t wrong in his description of subnormal families. There are productive and smart and entrepreneurial youth here, but there are just as many addicts and wannabe gangsters in the same cohort. I don’t think the West has the critical mass of the sorts of people needed to truly make a go of independence. I will do what I can when the time comes – and fully expect to die doing so – but I don’t think we’ll make it.

    It strikes me that all my life I’ve lived in or around areas of failed rebellion. I used to live in what was North Gwillimbury, from where much of the resistance of 1837 in Upper Canada came. Now I’m a short drive away from Batoche. Probably does not bode well for me. Nobody will build cairns for us.

  27. Well, I don’t get a federal heat pump, but I am getting pumped by the feds anyway.
    Is there no constitutional principle that stops egregiously unfair federal treatment of different regions?

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