The scientific method, illustrated;
[A] researcher who provided key evidence of (non-celiac disease) gluten sensitivity recently published follow-up papers that show the opposite. […]
The subjects cycled through high-gluten, low-gluten, and no-gluten (placebo) diets, without knowing which diet plan they were on at any given time. In the end, all of the treatment diets – even the placebo diet – caused pain, bloating, nausea, and gas to a similar degree. It didn’t matter if the diet contained gluten. (Read more about the study.)
“In contrast to our first study… we could find absolutely no specific response to gluten,” Gibson wrote in the paper. A third, larger study published this month has confirmed the findings.
Bravo.
It’s probably the dihydrogen monoxide.
I could rant about the gluten thing for ages. Before any of the gluten idiots jumps me – yes, there are people with disorders that make gluten a problem, but no – most of the idiots rambling about gluten-free diets DO NOT HAVE THOSE DISORDERS.
They’re idiots that can’t separate marketing from science. They’re the people that would buy tofu if you labelled it ‘lactose free’, or cabbage if you declared that it was ‘free range’.
And they’re the same type of people who gobble up the global warming crap. You know what would be great? Since they’ve been conditioned to see ‘carbon’ as bad, (for the most part, the press doesn’t even bother with the ‘dioxide’ part anymore) start an ‘awareness’ campaign about the dangerous levels of carbon in food.
If we convinced enough of them to go on a ‘low carbon’ diet, it’s a problem that could solve itself in very short order!
Excellent suggestion. The progs need convincing that a ‘free range low carbon’ diet will solve all their problems.
Guys. This is how science is supposed to work.
But early on in the study phase, you can expect a lot of confusion. After years of study though, you can expect less. That’s why we know that the theory of evolution is now established as fact (even if we don’t fully understand all aspects of its mechanism), and why we know that climate change is real and driven by human activity.
Give it up.
why we know that climate change is real and driven by human activity.
Hard evidence of that claim:
Robert Palmer – Some Like It Hot – 1986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAyMt3y49mc
The nice thing about all of these people paranoid of gluten is that they make gluten free versions of many foods much easier to get for those who really need them.
But it is pretty simple to eat gluten free without any of it, most food doesn’t have gluten in it, but before this craze hit, people would put wheat flower in all kinds of stuff where it wasn’t really needed, but made the food inedible for celiacs sufferers, like a butter and flower roux in white rice.
and why we know that climate change is real and driven by human activity. – John
Then explain it to us John. Let’s hear it.
The science didn’t work completely in that case. While showing gluten wasn’t the cause of their problem, it didn’t show what was. (I suspect the cause was nuts. And I don’t mean something they ate.)
We know climate change is normal. You know it is driven by human activity like those people who were fed a gluten free diet believed it was triggering their symptoms of gluten intoler
aww, now those poor babies who thought they had a problem are going to have to find another non-existent problem.
OK Toilet, climate was changing before man arrived on earth, so please explain human input at that time in history. Toilet, logic is not yer strong point. The only “element” that CO2 effects is 15MM radiation, and 95% of that is captured by a combination of CO2 and H2O, so there ain’t too much changability in the furture!!!!
You miss the point John. By the time morons like Dr. Oz and the Wheat Belly guy had done their snake oil spiel the mob was too frightened to put a piece of toast in their mouths. Somebody should sue the crap out of these guys.
http://www.macleans.ca/society/life/gone-gluten-free/
V I N D I C A T E D … once again.
I recently caused a very minor ruckus at Urban Fare in Vancouver when I jovially upbraided a staff member (oops, team member!) over all the gluten-free products.
I WANT MY GLUTEN I mock-raged to shocked eye-rolling robot-customers in the aisle.
Just you wait, I added: Not too far in the future we’re gonna see lotsa gluten-fortified products.
I have never taken nutrition research seriously.
As I frequently remind my wife: it’s too complex.
Which means, of course, that as cheered as I am, I must also maintain a healthy skepticism here too!
But yes, BRAVO. A refreshing change from people like Michael Mann who recently admitted that he has been looking at and modeling climate data for decades in an attempt to TEASE OUT of it, AGW.
TheTooner; I will try to channel John. I come up with two possible responses. “Because Science” (capitalisation mine, by usage). Or “Shut up.”
How did I do?
What utter nonsense ! All I know is that my health has gotten SO much better after my wholistic, naturopathic, healing health guru got me on a gluten-free diet. She put me on an “Eastern Diet”, and has me eating like a peasant in poverty stricken Myanmar. She explained to me how the “western” diet is killing everyone. How the “western” diet is built for corporate PROFITS … not for people’s well-being. The western diet is wheat-based, because of the Midwestern, fly-over states, wheat-lobby that has threatened politicians with gun violence if they didn’t subsidize the wheat industrial-complex. All the stupid, poor, fat white people are being poisoned by their beloved crony-capitalist economic system that impoversishes all of us.
So don’t even bother with all your scienci-sounding research that has been paid-for by the wheat lobby, and all those fat republican wheat farmers in fly-over land. I know what’s best for me, and none of your republican smarty pants scientific method crap is going to change my mind.
… is typical of what my “highly-educated” N.CA neighbors tell me. The ones who drive unwashed Prius autos with “split wood, not atoms” bumper stickers.
A couple if items.
1) I think this GF joke video has been posted here before. Too funny.
https://youtu.be/Oht9AEq1798
Ironically, the short ad prior to this YouTube vid was on Alberta’s Climate Leadership Plan which is as farcicle (??) as all this nonsense about gluten intolerance.
2) Having said that, my wife was diagnosed with celiac disease in 1986…she was five ten and weighed 115 pounds at the time. Total malnutrition. At that time food options were poorer (rice cakes…arrgh!!) but she managed well and learned to bake with weird flours. The GF craze has been a boon to those with celiac disease because of the wider range of options. So that’s been great.
3) We were having dinner in a small cafe in PEI a couple of years ago and the waitress diplomatically asked is my wife was celiac or merely “one of those” .. oh God it was funny. She told us some of the absurd comments she got from the imaginary “gluten intolerant” crowd. And once a person, who she knew actually had celiac disease, rejected a dinner because the cook had placed a bun on the side of the plate. He said that even close contact with bread would hurt him. Nonsense.
4) My DIL who is a psych nurse spoke with a GP a couple of years ago. The millennial girls all want to be tested for celiac disease and are disappointed when told they do not have the disease. Yeah, the same crowd who swallowed the climate change and AGW crap.
Anyway, this GF craze has been good for those with the disease.
CAS
PS: I much much prefer rice noodles to wheat pasta. Try them if you’ve never had them.
Robert Palmer videos … with long-legged ladies swaying in time to his little ditties … ALWAYS got me HOTTER …
The science shows unequivocally that gluten peptides, notably gliadin, stimulate production of zonulin which opens gaps in the intestinal lining (so-called leaky gut). The biochemical pathways are now well-mapped. This gap formation allows undigested proteins or protein fragments or even pathogens into the blood with variable effects. Gluten sensitivity can be detected by the presence of anti-bodies for wheat proteins, which indicate compromised get barrier. The Monash study did not measure this. You only detect what you measure.
Everyone has some degree of leaky gut from time to time, especially during intense physical exercise. Marathoners sometimes get diarrhea from leaky gut, during a race. Taking colostrum supplements showed, in one study, a significant reduction of leaky gut. Even Fasano (who isolated the zonulin pathways while studying cholera) suggests a little leaky gut might be good, to stimulate immune responsiveness. The issue is when it becomes too much.
With my wife, she had worsening headaches for twenty years.meventually she was having two stay-at-home migraines per week and seeing a leading migraine specialist in the country. I suggests she avoid gluten. So one New Year’s Day she stopped. After a couple of days she had no headache and went over 40 days without a headache (much less a migraine), until she absent-mindedly tried some cookies the kids baked one afternoon. So now she simply avoids gluten grains (although perhaps it’s something other than the gluten, but who cares if avoiding gluten works) and only gets headaches when their is a flour-based dessert “to die for” and she suffers the ensuing headache as a tax. None of this would be measured by the Monash study.
We have found that baking and cooking generally works just as well with chestnut flour, or sweet white rice flour if chestnut flour is not available.
Personally, I’m ketogenic so I eat none of the “gluten-free” crap anyway, all of which is essentially pure glucose sugar. I wouldn’t care what people eat but for the worsening diabetes and Alzheimer’s epidemics that are consuming almost a quarter of the healthcare budget now.
“and all those fat republican wheat farmers in fly-over land”
Heh! But you forgot the words ‘bitter’, ‘old’ and ‘white’.
Yes, there are fads in illness. Glutin is the latest. ADHD, autism, etc. are all fads.
John, you naughty player of logical fallacies, you. The accuracy or correctness of the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the theory of man made climate change.
“He said that even close contact with bread would hurt him. Nonsense.”
You are incorrect. Some people with celiac disease have such a strong autoimmune response that the effect can quickly be debilitating, so contact and cross contamination are real concerns.
It’s good that you found the diet that works for you. Everyone should do that instead of chasing ‘fad’ diets. Unfortunately too many don’t have the intelligence to realize “you are what you eat”.
My diet is pretty much what my grandparents ate: simple home-cooked meals and almost no chemically-laced processed foods. I’m in my 70s and wear the same size clothes I wore in my late 20s. My BP is 117/74 and my doc says I’m healthier than most people half my age. I also hike/walk/bike two to six kilometers every day.
Eat real food, mostly vegetables, and not too much.
“In contrast to our first study… we could find absolutely no specific response to gluten,” Gibson wrote in the”
So Gibson et al were looking for physiologic responses. What about psychosomatic?
From my casual observation, I conclude that the response was mass hysteria brought about by media conditioning to a pre-determine cue. Quite like the response the powers-that-be want to achieve with propaganda about Climate Change.
Triggers triggers triggers, oiY! A double edged sword/loose cannon effect if there even was one.
Now hysteria is unleashed, comes whence resistance is least.
Personally, I’m ketogenic so I eat none of the “gluten-free” crap anyway
Yes, carbohydrates aren’t a necessary nutrient. Abstaining also cures T2 diabetes. Contrary to what the ‘experts’ say. Blood sugars will return to normal. Without continuing medication if there hasn’t been too much damage done.
More than half of the people in North America are overweight to obese, eat mostly processed ‘food’ laced with chemicals that do not exist in the natural environment, are sick with diabetes, cancer and other debilitating ailments, and are generally below average intelligence. The patterns are obvious to anyone who can ‘connect the dots’.
More than half of the people in North America are overweight to obese, eat mostly processed ‘food’ laced with chemicals that do not exist in the natural environment, are sick with diabetes, cancer and other debilitating ailments, and are generally below average intelligence. The patterns are obvious to anyone who can ‘connect the dots’.
I have irritable bowel syndrome and years ago, some people were telling me I might be allergic to gluten.
So what I did is I bought all the food that have a high content of gluten and ate only that for about 4 days…I saw no difference.
I figured instead of trying to avoid gluten and never be sure if I avoided it well enough, instead I would eat a lot of it.
it did nothing. it changed nothing.
So forget gluten… but…
My irritable bowel syndrome is not psychosomatic either.
I have had it for over 20 years and there is no connection to what I think or how I feel or events that might affect my emotional state.
Emotions do not trigger nor reduce my flare ups of symptoms.
It is a real condition, that so far science can not explain.
I have a few theories on what causes it, but I am tired of seeing my ideas stolen or plagiarized then published elsewhere and seeing other people make money or get credit for my ideas.
So I’m going to leave this world with the secret of how I have reduced my irritable bowel syndrome symptoms by about 95 %.