Wednesday On Turtle Island

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Conman Carney’s Canada:  Fake News.    Migrants will quickly fill all the beds – More shelters in Chowtown.   A Canada Day story at the CBC.

Woke America:  RFK Jr interview.  Health care fraud busted.   The Democrats are self-destructing.

Stories You Won’t Find At Carney’s CBC:  Covering up lakes with solar panels.  Interfaith dialogue in France.  Interfaith dialogue in Portugal.  Britain on disability.

Your morning meme.   Another meme.      And at the Bee.

42 Replies to “Wednesday On Turtle Island”

  1. Conrad Black’s summary of Democrat doldrums is a historic timeline that should be mandatory reading in our public schools.

    1. The one thing he missed is that all Democrats in both the house and the senate just voted in favor of a ~ $5 trillion dollar tax increase for the American people.

  2. RFK said the following in the above Tucker Carlson interview:

    He revealed that the health agency buried a 1999 internal study led by researcher Thomas Verstraten, which showed an alarming 1135% increase in autism risk from the hepatitis B vaccine.

    Actually, the study was published right here…

    https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/112/5/1039/28714/Safety-of-Thimerosal-Containing-Vaccines-A-Two?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    And the startling conclusions?

    No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes.

    America has a rabid anti-vax conspiracy theorist in charge of Health and Human Services who can not be bothered to check the validity of his stories. God help America.

    1. RFK Jr. refers to a 1999 study regarding the hepatitis B vaccine but you link to a 2003 one that deals in general with Thimerosal-containing vaccines.

      That tells me Verstraten was told by TPTB to come up with a study more to their liking.

      1. I agree. The fact that four of the eight authors work (or worked) for the CDC, leads me to believe their conclusions were foregone.

        1. Par for the course. Believe these authors when RFK claims they have shown a correlation between vaccines and autism, but reject their conclusions when it turns out they said the opposite.

          1. Well then surely you’ll reject your conclusions when you find out that there was always the possibility that there was a correlation between vaccines and autism. Look up Dr. Zimmerman who was the US government’s top expert witness – he testified that vaccines didn’t cause autism, though later admitted that he told lawyers that vaccines can and did cause autism in children.

            After he admitted that publicly, he was no longer used by the government in court cases.

            Btw, if you’d like to look this up, try to avoid controlled disinfo sites, in the same way no one should ever use the CBC or CNN for sources of news.

      2. It’s the same study. Verstraeten et al. presented some preliminary results of the study in 1999 at a conference, and that’s what RFK is referring to. But the abstract never referred to Hepatitis B vaccines specifically.

        Phase 1 of the study relied on data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which showed that certain types of vaccination were correlated with autism among children. But such conclusions are questionable, as the VSD is best used for quickly identifying possible problems that need investigation, but not for drawing definitive conclusions from. The method of data collection is not high enough quality for that.

        Phase 2 was a retrospective study using more methodical methods of data collection, and showed no correlation.

    2. Little known fact, Killer Marmot’s predecessors were rabid critics of anti-phrenology conspiracy theories.

    3. I respectfully disagree with you Marmot. Like you, I was also convinced RFK Jr. was an anti-vax conspiracy theorist, but after I took the time to actually read what he expects/demands from pharmaceutical companies, I changed my mind. In short, he demands transparency from big pharma: studies that follow the scientific method, data analysis that uses straight forward statistics (if there is such a thing), and most importantly, an end to the incestuous relationship between big pharma and NIAID/CDC/FDA advisory committees who approve new drugs & vaccines. So I believe God has helped America by allowing RFK Jr. to be in charge of Health and Human Services. And if you want to know more about the inner workings of the NIAID, CDC, & FDA, I highly recommend you read ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’ by RFK Jr.:
      https://archive.org/details/kennedy-robert-f.-the-real-anthony-fauc-pdf/page/n23/mode/2up

      You will be appalled.

        1. Your fact checkers are that in name only. Like on Facebook, they dispute facts and “debunk” them with lies.

          1. Yes, yes, yes. Any fact check that doesn’t match your beliefs is a lie.

            But here we have a blatant example of RFK being loose with the facts, claiming that (1) a study was buried when it was actually published in a prestigious journal, and (2) the study supported a vaccine-autism connection when it actually said the exact opposite.

          2. Perhaps you should take your own medicine. Those behind the junk science of vaccines have far more resources to spend on “studies” and bribe money to dole out. Were that not the case, there’d be no “fact-checkers” except for perhaps you and your friend.

            The “fact-checkers” could be fact-checked and found to be wrong on virtually every other point. And when they’re not outright lying, they’re obfuscating or being deceptive.

            You are the perfect mark – you believe the lie, and when someone questions it, you then point out what liars with vested interests in vaccines have to say.

          3. Here’s the usual drill, of which the above is a perfect example:

            1. Anti-vaxxers cite some study that shows a vaccine to be inordinately dangerous.
            2. A reading of the study shows it does no such thing, and perhaps even shows the opposite.
            3. Anti-vaxxers condemn the study authors as being bought out and corrupt.

            What I find bizarre is that the US Secretary of Health and Human Services has repeatedly been shown to be horribly reckless with the facts over matters of dire importance, and the anti-vaxxers don’t think this is a problem. This is a problem. RFK could end up costing countless lives.

          4. Here’s the con:

            1. Junk-science companies manufacture a toxin and call it a “vaccine”
            2. Naive people believe their lies and use it
            3. Naive people suffer irreparable harm
            4. Fools claim the harm has nothing to do with the poison they’ve used
            5. Fools mock those who see through the lies due to their own research and using their brains by following the scientific method
            6. Fools listen to study authors who are bought out and corrupt

            What I find bizarre is the inability of fools to be swayed from their delusion by the evidence and seeing the repetitive pattern of deception used by pharmaceutical companies and their agents. Their foolishness has actually caused millions of them to be irreparably harmed and millions more to have died. And yet they bitterly cling to the ridiculous notion that those who refused to be poisoned are the ones at risk.

          5. Great, except the facts don’t support any of that. Vaccines are on the whole undeniably successful.

            In 1900, new-born infants in North America and Europe had less than a 70% chance of surviving till adulthood, and those that survived often suffered permanent disability. They had to dodge a gauntlet of infectious diseases, many of which, like influenza, diptheria, whooping cough, polio, measles, mumps, rebella, and pneumococcal infection, have now been tamed or in some cases nearly eradicated by vaccines.

            The problem is that many now take this miracle for granted. If vaccine skeptics like JFK have their way, we could have a catastrophe on our hands.

          6. Except that the facts overwhelmingly support that. Vaccines are junk science and haven’t healed anyone of anything. While at the same time being responsible for unleashing waves of previously unknown diseases and health syndromes the world over.

            The scam artists behind the junk-science of vaccines have used the time-tested deception of purposely blurring cause and correlation. They see diseases caused by unclean drinking water, and then claim their poisons remedied it, despite the fact that efforts were already underway to improve drinking water. In other cases, they manufacture the problem (such as spraying people with DDT) and then claim that other people were spared those horrible effects by taking their poisons. In the case of the Coronahoax, they simply invented the fake threat, and yet millions of brainwashed zombies rushed out to get poisoned. No different than the “Spanish” “Flu”, caused by the vaccines soldiers were forced to receive. And then as they got sick and died, civilians were forced to take them too. Only after which did they also get sick and die. In the untold millions.

            In not a single case did vaccines cure or prevent anything. They gave children measles, chicken pox, the flu, etc. And then convinced the simple that had they not been poisoned, they would have fared even worse.

            It is unbelievable that a previously intelligent people have become so de-educated with disinformation, and so dumbed down that they now willfully get themselves poisoned over this scam.

            And as usual, the most religious of the fools think to lecture the wise.

            Btw, don’t vaccinate your pets if you’d like to lengthen their life spans back to what used to be normal.

          7. In not a single case did vaccines cure or prevent anything.

            Well first, vaccines don’t cure diseases. That’s not how they work. They can only prevent.

            Even many vaccine skeptics will give pause at your wildly untethered views. I know I won’t convince you — there’s no amount of evidence or logic that will do that — but I do aim to convince some of the readers of these posts.

          8. There is no question that vaccines don’t cure diseases. Nor do they prevent them. Nor do they lessen the effects of them.

            They only create them.

            But the blind will continue to be blind, believing the lie. And the underlying required lie that viruses are the unseeable bogeyman that travel through the air to somehow infect others. Not alive, yet can be killed. And mutating all the time.

            Rather than the naturally-occurring solvents produced by your own body’s defense system. It is the final defense in attacking the only real threats – molds, parasites, metals, and bacteria.

          9. So we’ve gone from “vaccines can’t prevent disease” to “virus can’t cause disease.”

            I’m not going to try to talk you out of that. I wouldn’t know how. I am a researcher / mathematician, not a psychologist.

          10. My position has never changed, though your understanding of the pieces in the scam just got to Level II.

            And it is difficult to talk someone out of the truth, so you’d have a difficult time indeed. Simply repeating disinfo won’t do it as you should have learned by now.

            If you had an interest in the truth, you’d dig for it. But you have shown time and again only to seek out confirmation bias. So you will likely remain not only a victim, but the proverbial monkey who delights in attacking others who attempt to escape the lie.

          11. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of vaccines, in the form of (literally) hundreds of thousands of studies.

            The only way these results could be on the whole fraudulent is for there to be a massive conspiracy involving tens of thousands of highly qualified researchers world wide, most working not for pharmaceutical companies but medical institutes or universities. Further, this conspiracy would need to be over a hundred years old.

            The logistics would be impossible, and the money needed to sustain such a conspiracy far beyond the means of the entire pharmaceutical industry. Further, I know researchers. Most have a dedication to the truth that would never bend to such a scam.

            No sane person would think such a conspiracy credible.

          12. The scientific evidence is overwhelming in the quackery of vaccines. You confuse evidence with “claims” and studies where facts are massaged to fit a narrative.

            As we saw with the Coronahoax, those who don’t play ball lose their funding. As such, only those who conduct the studies to show the desired results will continue to remain employed. This is sadly commonplace – for an example of how this works, research the CBC. Or anything related to the moronic, anti-scientific lie of AGW. Despite having no science whatsoever behind it, unethical people, rent-seekers, and other undesirables keep the lie alive.

            And nothing has changed since the quack Edward Jenner. It was pseudo-scientific quackery then, and still is to this day.

            As for motive, untold billions of dollars in the pharmaceutical industry, as well as the healthcare industry that is kept busy by the avalanche of business the vaccines continuously provide.

          13. The scientific evidence is overwhelming in the quackery of vaccines.

            Fascinating. Could you please cite some of this evidence. There must be research papers, right?

          14. You are hopeless Marmot.

            Marmot in a nutshell:

            10 State believed-fiction
            20 If challenged, site controlled disinfo
            30 If alternative theory proposed, request debater find evidence amongst controlled disinfo
            40 Go to 10

          15. So you can’t cite any research backing up your theories.

            You probably read a book. Let me guess: “Turtles All Way Down”?

          16. I have spent countless hours on zombies like you, Marmot. You’re intelligent enough to do your job, but can’t think outside of a box. No matter what I showed you, you’d discredit the source, or not believe it because you can’t find the equivalent in a research paper. It’s the same reason you still religiously believe in what sane people long ago realized was a hoax, the Coronahoax.

            If someone told you the CBC was a far-left propaganda outlet, you wouldn’t believe it until you read a CBC article admitting it.

          17. There’s a big difference between out of the box and out of your mind.

            It’s okay to put forward transgressive ideas, but you had better have sound reasons and evidence for it. Otherwise you’re not hero, you’re a crank. You are unable to cite even a single piece of evidence in support of your theories.

          19. Yes, if you present some evidence in support of your ideas, I might well critique it.

            THAT’S HOW SCIENCE WORKS. That’s why it works. Ideas and evidence are subject to constant public scrutiny, and thus their flaws exposed.

            If you don’t want that scrutiny, then perhaps religion would be more your line.

          20. Science is that which follows the scientific method. The junk science of vaccines does not. The junk science of AGW does not. Evolution does not.

            Instead there are models, and papers, and hoaxes, and emotion, and censoring, and lies.

            You haven’t presented any evidence either. Not shown any interest in finding the truth. You instead are simply indoctrinated with lies and content to accept them. You believe in these lies, no different than people believe in a religion.

            I have researched these claims and found them wanting. I have researched the actors and found them to be liars. If you trust lying Jesuit (though I repeat myself) Anthony Fauci, then you are a fool.

            Like all liars, when you examine their lies, things fall apart. Do some research into scientists isolating a virus. Any virus. It’s never been done, despite their claims. And when you press them enough, you find out that they changed the definition of “isolated”. Which boils down to, “not isolated”. And yet isolating a virus is the first step required to creating a vaccine.

            But you’re not interested in the truth and it shows. So carry on in your ignorance, fooling yourself into thinking your belief is instead “trusting the science”.

          22. May I say this is one of the most impressive geek cage matches that I’ve seen in some time. We’re talking hammer and tongs here, lads! Well done!

      2. Mango,

        re: “he demands transparency from big pharma”

        Just one example: how many parents would have approved of giving their children vaccines if they knew the following:

        “Thimerosal is a preservative that contains ethylmercury and has been used in some vaccines to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi.

        “In 2025, the CDC vaccine advisory panel recommended that Americans receive only single-dose flu shots that do not include thimerosal, a recommendation that aligns with the broader effort to minimize mercury exposure.”

  3. Charleen Sibanda should have her citizenship revoked for that article.
    She has admitted she lied on her swearing in. She would be happier living in that shithole since the Crown left, Zimbabwe.

    2. So a colonizer colonizes a country and descries racism in that country that allows discrimination against whites while she comes from a country that allows discrimination against whites. I am so confused.
      Welfare in Britain should be reserved for their indigenous peoples while colonizers pay surcharges. Consistency is important.

  4. Sibanda and her mom Lucy don’t look to be suffering under the weight of oppressive colonialism in that photo. They appear outwardly as very wealthy and happy black woman. Perhaps benefactors of Zimbabwe’s militant anti-white system of government?

  5. “Charleen Sibanda, a Zimbabwean-born lawyer who lives in Vancouver”
    can eat a big white colonial dick.

  6. From ‘Fake News’ link:

    As for “trying to inflict damage on the media,” does that somehow not work both ways? If a reporter is trying to inflict damage on Trump, why is that somehow OK?

    Exactly. Turnabout is fair play.

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