Elections Have Consequences

2025 Federal Election Baiting The Left The Libranos 66 Comments

The smug, chicken dancing, elbows up Lieberal voters were so self-satisfied on election day. Being the NPC sheeple that they are, they are not capable of anything beyond first stage thinking. Every action has a reaction. Now we’ll see if the people of Alberta are finally fed up enough to move beyond the destructive clutches of the Laurentian elite.

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66 Replies to “Elections Have Consequences”

  1. If a separation referendum happens, I’m not sure what Canada can bring to the table. There’s not much Canada does for Alberta that Alberta can not do for itself. Canada could, of course, just stop trying to suppress/destroy Alberta’s petroleum industry that supports the rest of Canada but apparently that’s too much to ask.

    Just for shits and giggles I looked up how much Alberta businesses and individuals pay in federal gst. It’s about 7 billion per year. How much do retired Albertans receive in OAS and CPP? About 5.5 billion. So even if Ottawa tries to threaten senior citizen’s retirement benefits, Alberta could easily pay it by simply converting the gst to a pst.

    1. And I would like to add that if one were currently in receipt of CPP, under the current rules, you would continue to receive your monthly payment regardless of where you are in the world. OAS on the other hand is only payable to recipients living in Canada. I have no idea where to find CPP and OAS payment data to Alberta but it would be fun to have a look at it.

      2. That is incorrect information. A Canadian can collect OAS after leaving Canada as long as they have lived in Canada for at least 20 years after their 18th birthday. As you said CPP also follows you if you leave Canada. You will, however, lose your GIS payment (if you collect it) if you leave Canada.

        1. Thanks for the correction on the OAS my good man. That’s really good to learn!!! As for the GIS, I don’t think I even know anyone who may qualify for it.

        2. Yeah, when I was researching moving out of the country I thought I read that CPP and OAS continued. If you renounce Canadian citizenship then you lose OAS. Never looked at GIS because we wouldn’t qualify.

          I wouldn’t put it by the Liberals to threaten Alberta seniors with loss of benefits though. Just like they threatened to criminally charge Saskpower management and the Saskatchewan government when Moe took the carbon tax off of heating bills. Trying to instil fear will be the federal government’s go-to move because they don’t have anything positive to offer Albertans if there’s a referendum.

          1. I think we are in for some interesting times. Thanks again for getting my on the right path!!!

          2. I think the courts might have something to say about that. Certainly if people have paid into the pension, they should be allowing to keep it. Also, not all Albertans would renounce citizenship. Many Canadians live out of country.

      3. My wife receives CASTRS … CA State Teachers Retirement benefits. Uh, yeah … we will eventually be spending those dollars in someplace OTHER than CA. Good riddance FAILED leftist enclaves.

    2. LC as much as it pains me to say: Albertan’s as presently constituted will not vote for Independence. As the Elbows up propaganda moves to the Glove are Off gaslighting Albertan’s will be lead more by the likes of Nenshi than others. Unfortunate but true and it is a reality we need to understand, accept and from which we must move on!

      1. My current thinking is Separation or Relocation. The status quo in Canada isn’t working for me.

        1. Well, If Marx follows thru on banning/restricting social media, and one posts something that the LIEberals dont like and charge you with ‘propaganda/misinformation’, then you have grounds for applying for asylum in the US.
          Political persecution. Its a basic qualification for asylum.
          Thats my plan. and it should be the plan for the thousands that want to leave but dont currently qualify under existing visas to the US.

      2. feds have been diluting the Alberta pop. for years with loyal migrants and commie easterners…. they are all around me where I live

    3. It’s plain as the nose on a face.
      Alberta would be happy if they could get their product to another customer other than the US.
      That means a pipeline to tide water.
      That means Quebec must agree.
      They will refuse
      That means Carney will have to chose and find the support in parliament if Quebec puts up a fight.
      Or he would cave leaving Alberta the choice of staying and remaining the cash cow or realizing that if they can’t get other customers then put in with a government that will.
      Trump wins with little to no effort

      1. What on Earth are you talking about? BC’s ice free ports are the natural destination. We already have the pipelines, the Trans Mountain Pipeline, recently twinned, being the most notable.
        https://www.transmountain.com/past-project-tmep
        Shipping oil South is of course the most obvious choice, but that would seem to be pretty contentious at the moment.

  3. It’s dictatorship of the gullible. Stupid doubling down on stupid. Both China and US want a weak rudderless Canada, and this outcome is what both Xi and Trump wanted. Next will be inflation, even more China mingling + a deal with Trump where Marx Carnage will say ‘Yes Sir’ to everything while Cdn msmedia will frame it as biggest victory against Trump, ever.

    Oh, and Alberta’s pledge to separate will take years even if successful which I doubt. Librano$ are masters in electoral shenanigans + lawfare: they will oppose/delay/mess-up referendum proceedings as much as possible and even if it will be done and result will be yes-we’re separating, Librano$ will impose a loong post-referendum period of decades, to ‘sort out the financial&legal aspects of separation’.

    Anyway, Canada as we know it is DONE. All I hope now is that Trump will take over before we have total disaster and fight each other in the streets for a piece of bread and a bottle of water.

    1. I really don’t think Trump wants a weak and rudderless Canuckistan. I think what he wants is a Canada that doesn’t let shit seep south across the border and who pulls his own share regarding military defence of the continent. I think he would be flexible on tariffs and such if he could be confident of getting those two things. The Liberals will never give either one no matter what lies they tell.

      Buckle up, cowboys, we’re in for a rough ride.

      1. Well that would be ideal; it would certainly be nice.
        However, the U.S. knows the reality of the situation: you were sold quite some time ago to China (I’ve mentioned it before…), and you can thank your PM Harper for opening the door to that deal (nice by the way, you want us to deal with you through NAFTA, but you get to ink bilateral deals with one of our enemies). The Liberals voted with the Conservatives on that, by the way; I do believe they’ve made a lot of hay with it, but rest assured, the Conservatives were the ones who opened the door (ironically at the behest of Canadian oil industry leaders; well, you WERE dealing with Obama, so…but damn, did you guys get taken to the cleaners by the Chinese).
        You really SHOULD read the wording of that agreement with China; hell, do a deep dive on it, some real open source information gathering. You may find that that independence movement for the West may be fraught with more trouble than you were aware of, by the way.

        Why do you think we aren’t sharing intelligence information with you, even though you’re a member of 5 Eyes?

        So, with the situation as it stands, that’s where we have to proceed from — I don’t think we’re going to break you to the point of desperation (you’d sell what’s left of your children’s souls to China if we did that), but we’re going to be treating you for what you truly are.
        Buckle up indeed.

        PS. watch your home equity and your state pension plans

        1. And by the by, just to rub it in:
          In 2008, during the banking crisis (that you in Canada ‘weathered so well’, according to the Bank of Canada) the head of that aforementioned bank (your new PM) injected $30 billion dollars of liquidity into Canadian banks because they really weren’t weathering it that well. That liquidity came from 3 primary sources:
          1) the Bank of Canada itself
          2)the US Federal Reserve
          3) (and pay attention to this one closely) direct cash injections from the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation
          That last one IS important for you (although #2 interests me the most). The Canadian government bought $69 billion in mortgages from Canadian banks, insured mortgages I believe, primarily CIBC, BMO, and Scotiabank — those received gov’t. support that exceeded the value of the institutions (yes, you heard that correctly). And, this went on past the 08 crisis, so by March of 2009 the Canadian gov’t gave out $114 billion. Of course the banks reported quite a lot of profit; of course the bonuses were quite healthy for bank executives…the taxpayers probably didn’t feel such largesse, since they were on the hook for those cash injections.
          The Bank of Canada, and especially its head, took credit for ‘saving Canada from the worst of the financial crisis’, and some kudos of course to the excellent statesmanship of your government leaders!

          This of course incentivized further mortgage lending by the banks (hey, they weren’t really on the hook, the Canadian taxpayers were, boom time baby!), and this led to….drum roll….inflating housing prices that never came back down (oh, and foreign investment in said housing, see what I wrote above, when Canadians just couldn’t afford those darn expensive houses). Isn’t that one of the things that appears to be plaguing young Canadians????

          The head of the Bank of Canada was one Mark Carney, but the person who appointed him was…Stephen Harper.

          I hope somebody actually reads all of what I just posted in these 2 posts instead of being upset and not; sometimes the truth can give you perspective, like pain can.

      2. “I really don’t think Trump wants a weak and rudderless Canuckistan. I think what he wants is a Canada that doesn’t let shit seep south across the border and who pulls his own share regarding military defence of the continent. I think he would be flexible on tariffs and such if he could be confident of getting those two things. ”

        He has even said so, in between bouts of trolling us…;)

    2. Grinding the middle class to dust between the millstones of taxation and inflation … Oh! … and … the millstone of BANNED oil and gas.

      But Brian Z. still believes Orangemanbad is a more urgent threat than Ottawa

  4. Alberta is still waiting to hear the Liberal’s version of Alberta’s CPP share. Fear-mongerers say that Smith and her government will just squander old people’s money on their friends. Why hasn’t more noise been made about this?

    1. The Canadian government uses the CPP funds as an asset when it borrows money, even though those funds do not belong to the federal government. If Alberta and other provinces reclaim their share of the CPP then the Canadian government can no longer use the CPP funds as collateral. This could cause borrowing issues for Canada so it’s in the federal government’s best interest to not allow provinces to move their share of the CPP to provincial control. That is likely why the Canadian government refuses to give Alberta a number on Alberta’s share of the CPP.

      1. Ottawa doesn’t need to provide a number, it is a relatively trivial actuarial calculation based on income, years of work, etc. Can all be gotten from a CRA database.

        1. You’d think it would be relatively straightforward. The CPP does have a formula that can be used to calculate a province’s share. The problem is both the interpretation of the formula and the changes in the investment structure that have occurred since the formula was put into the CPP legislation. I am not in any way an expert on this, I’ve just been following the debate.

          The Canadian government was supposed to give their calculation to Alberta last fall but I don’t think they did that. Alberta’s calculation, as done by the former Liberal Finance Minister Morneau’s firm, gave Alberta the lion’s share of the CPP.

      2. From Financial post Dec.23,2024. The chief actuary Assia Billig, did not say exactly how much of the CPP fund Albertans would be entitled to, but she concluded it would be more in line with the amount calculated by University of Calgary economics professor Trevor Tombe. He said Albertans should get between 20 per cent and 25 per cent of the CPP fund in a 2023 analysis,
        As of Sept. 30, 2024 the CPP fund had assets of $675 billion and a 10-year annualized net return of 9.1 per cent. It appears that this could go to court to determine the wording of the contact but the liberal friendly Supreme Court of Canada would probably rule in favour of the Feds.

        1. Thank you. In negotiations the number would probably fall somewhere between the two calculations. Even at 25%, Alberta would receive around 170 billion. As I said above OAS+CPP for Albertans is about 5.5 billion per year so the returns on 170 billion would cover retirement benefits if Alberta separates from Canada.

          * if Alberta does separate from Canada, they should have a better retirement system than CPP set up for the youngest Albertans. A personal RRSP/RSP instead of pooled funds, for instance. In Saskatchewan, we call it the “new plan” (PEPP) for prov government employees. It’s a defined contribution pension instead of defined benefits. Pension benefits in PEPP are far better and more flexible than the CPP.

          1. The OAS is an entitlement program not funded by specific contributions and therefore can be changed or removed at any time, and is funded from the general fund. The non remission of Federal income taxes would cover all those sorts of things. The CPP fund is strictly for CPP, and would be more than adequate to cover future benefits.

  5. Although I dislike PeePee as I think he’s just a liberal adjacent I was disheartened at the outcome of the last election.
    I believe that B.C. is more “conservative” than the MSM would have you believe. So I look at the 3 providences that are “have” provinces and I think we, Saskatchewan, Alta, and B.C. need to form our own country. We have ample everything and with the east out of the way we would have much more.

    1. ” I think we, Saskatchewan, Alta, and B.C. need to form our own country. We have ample everything and with the east out of the way we would have much more.”

      If only we could cut Vancouver out of it, that would work just fine.

  6. Assume many traps will be laid on the path, especially Quebec, who is happy to take Alberta’s money while keeping their own. Who would want that to end?

    Albertans need to take a deep breath and focus on those things we can do like collect taxes and set deadlines for CPP or stop any more contributions to it. This can be done without too much wailing from Alberta progressives.

  7. I would only approve of the US taking control of Canada as long as we aren’t allowed to vote any longer. We’ve proven time and again the majority of Canadians aren’t smart enough.

  8. In an ideal world Alberta would threaten to separate and the rest of Canada would agree to a more fair structure instead of a pipeline of Alberta money directly to Quebec.

    In a more likely scenario Alberta will tear itself apart trying to be free of Canada because the province is full of socialists who are only there to benefit from the province’s riches. All hat and no cowboy. Add to that the fact that Canada would try and strip away much of the province (First Nations and treaty rights don’t you know) and I can only see a poop-show emerging.

    But have at it. It would be a welcome distraction from ever-increasing taxes.

    1. Not ideal at all. this would still leave Alberta contributing to general fund revenue, to be pissed away on bureaucracy and insanity going forward. Battery plants, anyone? In an ideal world, Alberta keeps 100% of it’s tax revenue as far from the Laurentian elite as ideologically and geographically as is possible.

  9. so many situations, businesses failing, individuals careers ruined, its the same thing;
    ‘they brought it on themselves’. except this time its an entire f’ing country. well that has happened before and via elections, and the outcomes are known. no deniability. so f off Canaduh, l believed in you by default, now, your administrators and authorities have a record of abuse towards me so now just leave me alone with your nauseating liberalism.

  10. We, as a country, have lost the basic premise of why a society, any society, forms a government. The first reason that a group forms a body to direct and guide them is for the protection of the group. The second reason is to preserve and ensure the continuation of the group. Those are the two basic principles that have evolved into ‘elected and appointed’ leaders in today’s societies (countries). Over the last fifty years Canadians have elected and appointed leaders that have miserably failed on both accounts. We, as a country, have been conned into believing that our elected representatives were going to follow these tenets to protect and preserve our society. When proven time and time again that we have been lied to and taken advantage of our gullibility we continually provide the perpetrators another chance to con us again. There comes a time frame within every society when a group realizes that they have been conned, taken advantage of, used, and that group, after countless attempts to re-instill those tenets, decides it is better to break away and form their own society. Western Canadians have reached that point in time. The question is will the Canadian society that depends so much on what the West has provided since before 1867 allow the separation peacefully or will it require force. Do we want a rebellion akin to the Peasants Revolt, the English Civil War, the Jacobite Rebellion, the American Revolution, the American Civil war and their like or will the West be allowed to peacefully go their own way. The choice is ours but as a Westerner I believe the tipping point has been reached and I believe there is more to be gained by secession than by remaining to be conned, pillaged and plundered again and again.

    1. “forms a body to direct and guide them” “forms a body to direct and guide to take on tasks best funded collectively.” There, fixed it for you.

      Direction and guidance neither wanted, nor hopefully tolerated.

      1. Pardon me but it doesn’t need corrected. To think that any government body takes on tasks that are best funded collectively is a typical Liberal mind-set, want an example just look at the boondoggle we are now immersed in with EV battery plants. How about the imigration the program in Canada, that is really working out well, but I don’t recall ever being asked if it was accepted by the voting public. Then there is the largesse of the government in collectively funding overseas aid, another task that the taxpaying public was never asked about. Only governments that dictate tasks to be funded collectively are communist/fascist based. Ever heard of the phrase “Bullets before Butter” or how about the Five Year Plan imposed by Mao. Try doing a little more critical thinking before commenting. True democratic governments take their lead from the people that ‘elect/appoint’ them, and should strive to fulfil that lead.

  11. Candice Malcolm is so cute! But not all there.

    “I’m still hopeful for the country.”

    Poor girl. Looks like denial is not just a river in Alberta, as they say.

  12. start gathering and storing the evidence now folks, for the autopsy on the nation.
    nows when it easy to grab, the perps are overconfident and some delusional as to ‘who, me? l dinn do nuffin’ mode of thinking.
    lots of evidence ye book writer for instance.
    l get hunches the long hunch right now is the former (? ‘post national state’) country of Canaduh we had a good run, l had a good life, decent career, joys of parenthood, lots of places to see and stuff to do.
    it all gone for some now, and more and more as time goes on. p.s. the venezuelans cant seem to vote themselves OUT of the dilemma they put themselves IN.
    keep that in mind. let it sink in. look to them and koobah for a preview.

    1. Does the Nova Scotia Premier have a plan for when the intergenerational welfare scheme or equalization plan dries up?
      Does he support Nova Scotians planting “victory gardens” in place of their front lawns so they don’t starve in the harsh winters to come?

      $3.3 Billion in the last year, it seems like a lot, their entire budget is $16.5 Billion and they have just under a $700 Million deficit …

      Who knows? maybe they have a plan for this. Maybe they’ll just say something like, “well we didn’t see this coming” or “it hasn’t been a good year” for however else they tax their people.

      Good luck…

  14. Why do the pull the wool over your eyes? So you can’t see the shears. Enjoy your last tax haven while it lasts.

  16. Premier Smith is going to receive the same treatment received in the US, France, Romania, Germany etc. She’s going to face trumped up criminal charges in the very near future. Bank on it.

    1. Only if she does something to successfully protect Alberta from the feds.

    3. I think that would only fuel the unity crisis. I am getting the impression that the media is trying hard to downplay the separatist movement in the West. This might reassure the fools who voted for Liberals, but I don’t think it will do anything to defuse the separation impulse.

  17. ‘Free trade, with carbon taxes.’

    How will Carney’s Carbon Economy work?
    We’re going to find new trade partners (who don’t trade with us now) who will increase trade with us and be willing to pay Carney’s new higher carbon taxes, and to have their imports into Canada carbon taxed?

  18. I wish that the NDP had lost every seat. Then the charade that is the bloc would have been totally revealed. Quebec wing of the lieberal party.

  19. Albertans here love Trump. Trump wanted Carney. Stop your bitching. You got exactly what you wanted.

    1. “Trump wanted Carney Alberta”

      -FTFY..

      And he may very well get it.. we shall see..

    3. Trump did not “want” Carney. Trump didn’t give a shit. He didn’t “interfere” with the election, he made comments on it when he was asked. It made no difference to him who won. It’s nothing to do with him. It’s the Trump-haters who wanted Carney.

  20. To everyone here (like gym) who still believes that the cons election loss can be blamed on “the backroom boys,” HERE is a FAR MORE PLAUSIBLE explanation as to why elections in Canada go the way they do…
    https://x.com/JuliusRuechel/status/1917069011415929313
    If Alberta is too hesitant to wake up to the corruption that exists back east, I’m afraid Alberta will go down with the ship that is the RoC.

  21. Yes, only those of higher intelligence form arguments with words like “Liebrals” and “NPC sheeple” — the SDA brain trust at its finest.

    1. Glad you approve! /s
      (btw… you forgot to end your post with the /s switch.)

      Meanwhile, I’m ecstatic that “lieberals” appears to be catching on.
      Would you care to guess who coined that term?

      Oh, and as an example of your higher intelligence, you typo’d “liebrals” [sic]

      1. Nothing proves intelligence like clumsy typing. Ivan clearly has the spastic fingers of genius.

  22. Quebec separatists have dedicated, highly organized political parties, both provincial and federal.
    Alberta has none.
    Don’t get mad. Get even.
    The last thing Alberta needs is another sloppy, poorly thought out Maverick Party. Or Buffalo Party. Or whatever the hell “Take Back Alberta” is.

  23. The revolution will only happen when the children go hungry. The west is still wealthy enough to keep that from happening despite the east’s best diabolical moves to pillage Alberta and Saskatchewan into oblivion. They are their own worst enemies as they continue to thrive despite the plundering.

    Carney’s climate change and WEF philosophy is even more extreme than the previous regime so the west can expect even more extreme attempts at economic confiscation from the new same old democratic(?) dictatorship under guise of a constitutional monarchy.

    The question is: will the eastern would be slavers resist the urge to take more or will they remember that the golden egg laying goose can be worked into oblivion?

    Judging from Carnivorous Carney’s desire to spend an extra $130B on top of a massive yearly deficit it appears he sees not people, not scrawny overtaxed beasts of burden, but fatted calves fit only for consumption by the east.

    Premier Smith is making serious moves to enable secession, but powerful socialist forces within and without are and will be in favour of Marxist-Leninist policies continuing as is and opposing any exit.

    If secession wins out there will be many issues to both solve and resolve. Both the Canadian and US constitutions have different and difficult formulas for seceding and joining their countries. AlSask is landlocked, but it sits astride transCanada highways and railways. Pipelines can be diverted or shutdown. And Canada’s war stores are in Quebec. No doubt the rest of Canada will demand payment of the National debt in “fairness.”

    It may be a matter of practicality and self-preservation for AlSask to have a strong alliance with the USA whether that be protection, a protectorate, statehood, or some other form.

    Should the slavering wolves prevail then look for private property being taxed out of existence through a form of wealth tax and retirement funds confiscated and rolled into CPP then into general funds a la ICBC. They will use propaganda (fairness) and the willing cooperation of the banks (the trucker convoy economic warfare is an historical example) to achieve this.

    “The pension fund was just sitting there!”

    At what point will freedom loving people achieve 50%+1 to win a referendum?

    That will be when enough children go hungry.

  24. “When the children go hungry!”
    You are right but we must move now! Dr.Hayden —“There will be no Revolutions as long as there is Food on the table!”
    We need to get this going now! Danielle Smith has and our Premier Moe has not!
    The NDP in Saskatchewan are totally out of touch!

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