Down The Primrose Path

Art Of The Deal Trump Ukraine 30 Comments

A pretty good observation from Jay Currie

Reaction to today’s Oval Office activities are an absolutely accurate indicator of the pro or anti-Trump sentiments of those reacting. From Euro astroturf in support of Z to subsidy journalists rising as one to condemn the bullying, they all hate Trump.

For those of us who are not particularly offput by Trump 2.0 and his team, it was a rare glimpse into the way serious politicians are able to spot and slap down a phoney if he goes off script.

There was a mineral deal on the table and there were 40 minutes of conversation of which only a few had Zelensky wandering into dangerous ground. For the TDS brigade the fact there was any dangerous ground was obviously Trump’s fault.

Zelensky occupies a strange position. If you don’t support him you are a Putin puppet and, now a Trump tool. The idea of Peace in Ukraine on anything but Zelensky’s terms is unthinkable to the blob. That would be conceding to Putin.

Trump telling Zelensky that he had no cards to play offended every Eurocrat, USAID recipient and deep stater. There are some truths we just don’t talk about, you brute.

Trump’s a realist. He knows Ukraine is not winning. It’s losing (and after today’s Zelensky tantrum, has probably lost.) Not winning is getting in the way of Peace. Which Trump is not willing to put up with.

Supporting Zelensky ensures that the pointless, unwinnable war continues. A Peace Treaty which conceded the eastern, Russian speaking, parts of Ukraine already occupied by Russia, ends the war on about the best terms Ukraine can hope for.

You may hate Trump and think Putin the devil incarnate, but prolonging a futile war for even one day longer is evil. A fact which Trump knows but which blob members are willing to live with in order to signal a bizarre, pointless, sort of virtue.

With luck Zelensky’s behaviour in the Oval Office today will end any but humanitarian aid to Ukraine. At that point the final pretense that Ukraine can “win” will disolve and with it, I suspect, Ukraine’s Army. Why die in a lost cause.

The Euros will breathe a sigh of relief, they did not want to take on the military and monetary responsibility of Ukraine. They can’t afford it. Zelensky will, if he’s lucky, go into exile. Then we’ll see what can be salvaged. It will be a nasty business but not as nasty as war.

Give him a bump.

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30 Replies to “Down The Primrose Path”

    1. We will get it when Bondi pries it out of the cold fired fingers of the FBI agents still withholding it from her.

    1. Jay, love the phrase “subsidy journalists”. I hope you do not mind if I borrow it for further use. A keeper.

      1. Yours with my compliments…I’ve been using it for a while…fits right in with Twitch for our former Finance Minister

  4. That’s all well and fine … and yes … everyone on these pages already know how the parties to this topic align with respect to their TDS and/or PDS. However, now what stops Putin … once Trump and his Army of American taxpayers who are fed up with feeding yet another neverending war … decides he will take another big chunk of Ukraine? How many conscripts will Starmer send to the front lines? Macron? Or whatever coalition of fake conservatives in Germany? Trudeau? Do you HONESTLY believe this war just fades away into history? Hardly.

    And who settles up the tab with the American taxpayers? Answer: no one. So, congrats! Your STUPID war will now usher in decades of American isolationism … I can hear Rand Paul cheering. Good luck NATO. You’re all DONE. Stick a fork in yourselves, just as your cosplaying phony generalissimo Zelensky stuck a thumb up his ass today.

    I’m not sure you Euro-turds quite realize what you have unleashed on yourselves.

    1. You should probably also inform the Canadians here that, in light of your own government’s cleaving to the EU party line with regard to how it treats America, this will likely mean far more harsh handling of their country within the context of the looming trade wars.
      And that may be the easiest part of the lot if PM Starmer decides to go all in on sending troops to Ukraine…your government will most likely not want to be left out. Buckle up!

  5. My musical selection for this topic is by what became our “family band” … Pinback. My kids turned me on to this obscure indie band … and I liked them so much that they became our personal “family band”. Yes, a San Diego, CA band.

    I have selected the cut AFK from the lp Summer in Abaddon. I will let “Pitchfork” define the lp title (and lyric which is repeated in this song):

    The title of Pinback’s third album, Summer in Abaddon, sounds like a morbid joke: It implies a hiatus or a vacation, a productive retreat to perhaps an artists’ commune or an off-season spent at a remote hideaway. But Abaddon is not the name of a small coastal town or a resort near the Poconos: Deriving from Hebrew, it refers to the pits of hell, a place of annihilation and destruction where its dwellers become unimaginably small and brutally insignificant. The word is also the name of the angel/demon who reigns over this kingdom of pitch; he is death incarnate.

    Yes, I chose this tune to commemorate the CIA’s Zelensky’s No Good, Terrible, Horrible Day … and what this demon incarnate has caused to his country. “We’re too late … we’re too late …”

    https://vimeo.com/2988543

  7. Z is done. He is a petulant poseur thinking he could call the shots. He has lost a war he couldn’t win, one that NATO couldn’t win before it went nuclear. The neocons lost another one but take great pride in not having to see US body bags coming home as they sucked Ukraine into taking the losses. Russia was never going to stand for the killing of ethic Russians in the Donbas, the loss of Crimea, nor NATO membership of Ukraine. Without the US, Ukraine, what’s left of it, is no threat to Russia so maybe Europe should also be cut loose from US protection and relations with Russia can start to normalize again.

  8. This a staged tantrum planned by the passive aggressive EU to get out of Ukraine. They expect to blame Trump/Vance’s immaturity for bungling the stressful negotiations.

      1. “They already are blaming Trump and Vance.”

        They are trying really hard, anyway. Won’t work this time.

  9. The morons who pretend like they are knowledgeable on Canadian Legacy media are saying that now Europe will have to step in to replace the US. The mind reels. NATO minus the US has everything it needs except resolve, courage, a public onside and an army, otherwise they’re good to go. NATO without the US could not put 2 divisions on the ground, nor equip, supply or maintain them, and with limited interoperability would get in each other’s way. NATO is a bureaucracy, if the idea is to bury the Russians in paperwork, it might work.

    1. When someone says “hold my beer” you hold their beer. Let’s see what the EU can do. My feeling is nothing, but maybe they need to see firsthand.

      2. When someone says ‘hold my beer’, you hold their beer with one hand and and grab your phone with the other, you might win Funniest Home Videos.

      3. Both Libs and Cons are more than happy to drag Kanada into the Ukrainian mess with the EU. Zelensky has no fear, Kanada will make up the shortfall from the US pulling out.

      4. Starmer send troops? What troops? UK is so militarily weak. Not enough military vehicles, tanks, planes, a navy with very few ships and a new aircraft carrier that breaks down all the time. We can’t even protect our shores from the illegal cross-Channel invasion. Posturing TwoTier Keir just highlights the criminal ineptitude of successive governments with regard to protecting UK sovereignty. We don’t even have many nuclear weapons in our aged arsenal. The USA is now putting its nuclear weapons back in UK after many years. Membership of the EU has hollowed out our institutions and led to State capture by the Green Energy lobby and state funded alleged NGOs.

        1. But, but, but … Karin!

          Your two-tier PM just signed papers with Zelenskyyyy that guarantees British support of Ukraine … “for as long as it takes”. Has there ever been a more empty and simultaneously loaded phrase in all of world history!?

          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/volodymyr-zelensky-keir-starmer-ukraine-oval-office-donald-trump-b2707263.html

          Please accept THIS Californian’s official passing of the baton! You’ve just signed onto becoming Ukraine’s custodial parent. Phew! I am so glad we no longer have to babysit … as the kids have made a complete mess of the playroom. And the rent-a-crowds CHEERED outside #10 … yeayyyyyyyy Zelenskyyyyyy!!

  10. The average age of Ukraine’s frontline troops is 43 years old. This washed-up cross-dressing unfunny comedian cannot tell time. Not one more dime for this clown.

    1. … spoken in my best comedic Ukrainian accent …

      “… Have YOU been to Ukraine? Have you BEEN to the front lines? If not, you don’t know what you’re talking about!”

  11. As usual, Trump’s detractors can’t give him credit for how good the mineral rights idea was. We can’t give an unstable country on Russia’s border the power to drag us militarily into any conflict with a NATO membership.

    The mineral rights deal would give Ukraine the security of knowing that any country that wants to f**k with them will piss off the US by interrupting their money from the minerals, without making the US treaty obligated to respond with military force.

    The fact Zelensky blew this up proves he and his war pig handlers don’t want the current Ukraine grift to end.

  12. If you look at the “results” of a lot of the wars just over the last 60 years, there isn’t a lot to celebrate, unless you’re a misanthrope.
    Power struggles and a lot of dead people.
    But despite that, still a lot of advancement for so many others.
    Will the future be brighter or darker?

    1. Brighter or darker?
      It depends if we will decide to defend Western Civilization or we throw a tantrum and decide that it is isn’t perfect so let barbarians have it. In the end it is up to us how we are going to play it.

  13. Fact is, Mr. Zelensky can’t sign a binding deal of that magnitude.

    I mean, he can sign it, but Ukraine will not honor the deed later, after he is gone. Which means his autograph is meaningless.

    I think Trump initiated the ‘deal’ so that when ‘it’ failed, it compounds Ukraine’s claims to Americans’ purses.

    Who seriously buys property in a war zone?

    No, the ‘deal’ was a proxy for Ukrainian entry into NATO, and now both have failed. Elegant, huh?

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