When you’re selling a carbon tax that is supposed to stop forest fires then you need as many forest fires as you can get.
Deliberate destruction to justify raising the carbon tax.
Exactly.
both Trudeau and Gilbeault should be jailed for life
Too expensive. Just hang them.
Still too expensive.
Make them fight to the death.
Then hang the winner.
Come now. Just take away all their security and compel them to make regular public appearances until they are finally stoned or stomped to death. As they can be sure the public will do if they once get the chance.
Can’t. The tree burnt
They also installed fire hydrants with non-standard thread … to prevent the fire engines from being able to connect to them
And they stopped doing prescribed burns many years before lightning started the fire that burned Jasper
And they ignored warnings from forestry management experts for many years
It’s •••ALMOST••• as though Guilbeault, the Ministry of the Environment and the Liberal Government wanted major wildfires to occur. At which point, they would make sure firefighters could not fight fires.
Burn Baby Burn
How much extra did they pay for those threads that no one else uses?
Next time I meet a fire inspector, no matter how well dressed he is, I must be careful not to compliment him on his threads. I think that may be a sensitive point these days.
how could there be such a thing???
goes from negligence to gross negligence
Criminal negligence
Criminal intent, but successful, more than intention.
Different provinces have different specifications, even for fire hydrants. If the hydrants were sourced from outside Alberta, and the hoses from inside Alberta, they may not fit. Some Manitoba areas have Ontario spec fire infrastructure, gives the maintenance planners fits.
Yet another reason for Alberta to get out of CON-federation.
Wow add that story to the fire hydrants backward threading and it looks really bad for those in charge?
I assume the non standard fittings were cheaper and someone pocketed the difference.
Wouldn’t be hard to find out who, except this is clown world.
…or the hydrants were supplied by a company that donates lots of money to the Liberal party and/or a company where a Liberal MP has a direct financial interest.
It wouldn’t be difficult to find out if we had a media that dared to do investigative reporting. In the demented Dominion of Canada with a completely corrupt and dysfunctional government and complicit government funded media, the citizens are never able to find out what is really going on.
“It wouldn’t be difficult to find out if we had a media that dared to do investigative reporting. In the demented Dominion of Canada with a completely corrupt and dysfunctional government and complicit government funded media, the citizens are never able to find out what is really going on.”
I’d say get W5 on the case…but they were cancelled.
*Someone* knows why a non-standard fire hydrant was installed.
My question is… The non-standard fire hydrant. Is it the standard in China?
My assumption is that they were more expensive and some liberal hack got a kickback as a result… and gave 10% to the appropriate person.
Wow, it is big. But Blackie & co survived stronger storms, from top of my head: SNC Lavalin aka obstruction of Justice, covid time + Freedom Convoy aka trampling on basic freedoms, Chinese interference aka treason.
This time is easy: whoever had the audacity to say it publicly, will be destroyed (fired, financially ruined) while slave msmedia will praise the Right Honorable, as always.
So what is their excuse for the wrong threads on the fire equipment, blocking the fire trucks, refusing to clear the dead pine beetle trees, and refusal to do proper burns and proper forest management?
Stupidity?
Can they convince us that they are that incompetent, stupid, utterly useless, and liars, and that’s why a town burned?
While the Liberal Party benefits politically from every fire, every death by fire, and all the destruction by fire.
Occam’s Razor?
Ideology is the explanation.
No, Robert, it’s not the only explanation. You are overlooking the fact that a federal minstry, Parks Canada, is stunningly incompetent at essentially everything connected with its mandate. And it has been incompetent and incapable at its task for many. many years. I used to have to deal with these people occasionally on a professional basis. Their attitude on anything was self-righteous smugness.
I used to have to deal with these people occasionally on a professional basis.
Then I must defer to you, cgh.
There are things that simply cannot be stated on a public website. Much of it came from participating in Jean Chretien’s Carbon Dioxide Tables for industry and stakeholder consultations (A superb tactic which made the whole issue go away politically.)
But you cannot imagine how much I learned to loathe these people. The sanctimony of the professional environmenalists was one thing, but arrogance and attitude of entrenched government bureaucrats was and is something else again. To this day, I am convinced that at least some of them seriously thought their s**t doesn’t stink. Imagine Elizabeth May on a truly bad hair day and on the rag. Environment Canada was bad: Parks Canada was just vile.
It’s federal land, if they wanted the fires out they would have called in the federal fire fighters.
When AB/Sask. separate from tier 2 Canada, Jasper, Banff, Waterton, Wood Buffalo, Elk Island, Prince Albert, Grasslands… will all revert to their proper owners, Alberta and Saskatchewan.
Then AB/Sask. can put the correct threads on the fire hydrants, and start clearing the dead wood out, permit controlled burns…
Add this story to what’s going on down in North Carolina with Hurricane Helene. Government IS the problem, not the solution. They stand in the way and prevent people from helping.
The last few seconds of the above video, is the announcer repeating what the federal spokesperson had said, that Canada is “warming at twice the global rate”
Remember when all news media companies announced that local average temperatures were rising at above the global average? Well if everyone is above the average, that’s not an average…
They’re lying about global warming, and the fire situation in Jasper was because of federal mismanagement.
Everything they touch turns to garbage, and their leader Is the #Shitmidas
Marc, that statement is true for Canada, as well as every other country. The global average includes the oceans, which are warming much less than any land mass.
Context is important.
Perhaps the entire department needs to be “FIREd”.
With the Trudeau government you never know if it’s malice, incompetence or both. The Liberal government’s well known hatred of Alberta and Saskatchewan makes people suspicious that the years of forest mismanagement and the bungled fire response in Jasper was deliberate but I doubt we’ll ever really know.
Regardless, the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan should take over forest management and fire fighting in national forests and parks inside their borders. The Trudeau government cannot be trusted, they have mismanaged or corrupted every department under their control.
Hanlon’s Razor needs to be applied only once, like “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”. So if you see one stupid practice, you apply the razor and attribute it to stupidity. The second time it would be appropriate to attribute it to malice or the shame is yours for not seeing it. When you see a pattern of stupidity, as we are seeing with the Liberal policies regarding forest fires, it is no longer stupidity, it is malicious and deliberate. It may also be stupid, but it has passed over the middle ground to malicious because it is insane (and there is a statement about that idea, too).
I agree. I have trouble believing any government could be as stupid, destructive and incompetent as often as the Trudeau Liberals have been for 9 years without there being malice and corruption involved.
But Pierre Poilievre’s sarcasm and disrespect for the media plus his tone and word choices while questioning the Trudeau government is the real problem. /s
They stopped the farmer that was trying to plow a fire break in his fields, as well.
“Didn’t have proper training” was the excuse.
I’d put money on the farmer being smarter than the idiots in charge, just by looking at all these reports! They used to come into the bars, to recruit labor for fighting fires!
If it’s MY land, MY equipment, MY choice, you can F off, thank you kindly, I’ve decided to stay and i WONT be asking for your help!
I guess recruiting from bars is better than Pressganging prisoners after their release dates, like Kamala did.
Woodchipper. Feet first.
East Palestine, Lahaina, Jasper and now North Carolina. O.K. one, screw-up, but they are adding up quickly.
blaming Liberals only works up to a point.
when you get to that point, now start blaming Canaduhians who VOTE for them.
as such, we conclude sufficient of them on ontariowe and kaybeck HATE the prairies and this is their outlet, assign the ‘dirty work’ to the Liberals.
Correct! These government officials are just the symptoms. The real affliction is the diseased minds of the populous.
How did they get that way? Long, slow march through the institutions, among other reasons.
End career politicians! No one gets in without meritorious, recognized, relevant experience in
their fields. Reduce the pensions and benefits to back where they used to be!. It was once concidered an honour to SERVE your country in a government position and that was the most you gained from it!
So, basically, they’ve implemented Federally funded healthcare for forests.
40% of parks canada employees are in ottawa
that is a lot of pronoun correcting
As the article closes with “Canada’s climate is warming at twice the global rate”. Puke, bark, ralf, etc. I’m getting sick of that talking head bullsh–. It’s why I stopped watching TV back in 2007.
Hopefully, this years Arson Season is behind us.
Last year at West Bank BC they watched a fire burn for two hours before a supervisor showed up to approve an attack.
When the state gets bloated and obese …it moves very slow.
traitorous communist tyrants ………..
It seems fairly obvious that mere incompetence can’t explain what happened. It has to be deliberate . There are too many arrows pointing that direction..
It is no secret that Ottawa and their Globalist masters want humans out of the national parks and actually out of much of the country. This fire, and others, like Lytton, followed by impossible rebuilding restictions are a push in that direction.
“It seems fairly obvious that mere incompetence can’t explain what happened. It has to be deliberate . There are too many arrows pointing that direction..”
Agreed, Al. Incompetence IS rampant in any government agency, we’ve all known that for years…but *that* level of incompetence? In selecting *life saving* equipment? That could easily get someone prosecuted and jailed.
I smell a rat.
Different provinces have different specifications for fire infrastructure.
Manitoba and Ontario have different specs.
Gives the maintenance planners fits, especially when they don’t know, and order parts that should fit but don’t.
Just because the hydrants are in Alberta, doesn’t mean they were sourced from Alberta with Alberta specs.
Guys guys….you’re barking up the wrong tree. The firefighters were clearly denied access because they are not bilingual, the wrong colour, the wrong gender, the wrong religion and are not liberal party supporters.
When you’re selling a carbon tax that is supposed to stop forest fires then you need as many forest fires as you can get.
Deliberate destruction to justify raising the carbon tax.
Exactly.
both Trudeau and Gilbeault should be jailed for life
Too expensive. Just hang them.
Still too expensive.
Make them fight to the death.
Then hang the winner.
Come now. Just take away all their security and compel them to make regular public appearances until they are finally stoned or stomped to death. As they can be sure the public will do if they once get the chance.
Can’t. The tree burnt
They also installed fire hydrants with non-standard thread … to prevent the fire engines from being able to connect to them
And they stopped doing prescribed burns many years before lightning started the fire that burned Jasper
And they ignored warnings from forestry management experts for many years
It’s •••ALMOST••• as though Guilbeault, the Ministry of the Environment and the Liberal Government wanted major wildfires to occur. At which point, they would make sure firefighters could not fight fires.
Burn Baby Burn
How much extra did they pay for those threads that no one else uses?
Next time I meet a fire inspector, no matter how well dressed he is, I must be careful not to compliment him on his threads. I think that may be a sensitive point these days.
how could there be such a thing???
goes from negligence to gross negligence
Criminal negligence
Criminal intent, but successful, more than intention.
Different provinces have different specifications, even for fire hydrants. If the hydrants were sourced from outside Alberta, and the hoses from inside Alberta, they may not fit. Some Manitoba areas have Ontario spec fire infrastructure, gives the maintenance planners fits.
Yet another reason for Alberta to get out of CON-federation.
Wow add that story to the fire hydrants backward threading and it looks really bad for those in charge?
I assume the non standard fittings were cheaper and someone pocketed the difference.
Wouldn’t be hard to find out who, except this is clown world.
…or the hydrants were supplied by a company that donates lots of money to the Liberal party and/or a company where a Liberal MP has a direct financial interest.
It wouldn’t be difficult to find out if we had a media that dared to do investigative reporting. In the demented Dominion of Canada with a completely corrupt and dysfunctional government and complicit government funded media, the citizens are never able to find out what is really going on.
“It wouldn’t be difficult to find out if we had a media that dared to do investigative reporting. In the demented Dominion of Canada with a completely corrupt and dysfunctional government and complicit government funded media, the citizens are never able to find out what is really going on.”
I’d say get W5 on the case…but they were cancelled.
*Someone* knows why a non-standard fire hydrant was installed.
My question is… The non-standard fire hydrant. Is it the standard in China?
My assumption is that they were more expensive and some liberal hack got a kickback as a result… and gave 10% to the appropriate person.
Wow, it is big. But Blackie & co survived stronger storms, from top of my head: SNC Lavalin aka obstruction of Justice, covid time + Freedom Convoy aka trampling on basic freedoms, Chinese interference aka treason.
This time is easy: whoever had the audacity to say it publicly, will be destroyed (fired, financially ruined) while slave msmedia will praise the Right Honorable, as always.
So what is their excuse for the wrong threads on the fire equipment, blocking the fire trucks, refusing to clear the dead pine beetle trees, and refusal to do proper burns and proper forest management?
Stupidity?
Can they convince us that they are that incompetent, stupid, utterly useless, and liars, and that’s why a town burned?
While the Liberal Party benefits politically from every fire, every death by fire, and all the destruction by fire.
Occam’s Razor?
Ideology is the explanation.
No, Robert, it’s not the only explanation. You are overlooking the fact that a federal minstry, Parks Canada, is stunningly incompetent at essentially everything connected with its mandate. And it has been incompetent and incapable at its task for many. many years. I used to have to deal with these people occasionally on a professional basis. Their attitude on anything was self-righteous smugness.
I used to have to deal with these people occasionally on a professional basis.
Then I must defer to you, cgh.
There are things that simply cannot be stated on a public website. Much of it came from participating in Jean Chretien’s Carbon Dioxide Tables for industry and stakeholder consultations (A superb tactic which made the whole issue go away politically.)
But you cannot imagine how much I learned to loathe these people. The sanctimony of the professional environmenalists was one thing, but arrogance and attitude of entrenched government bureaucrats was and is something else again. To this day, I am convinced that at least some of them seriously thought their s**t doesn’t stink. Imagine Elizabeth May on a truly bad hair day and on the rag. Environment Canada was bad: Parks Canada was just vile.
It’s federal land, if they wanted the fires out they would have called in the federal fire fighters.
When AB/Sask. separate from tier 2 Canada, Jasper, Banff, Waterton, Wood Buffalo, Elk Island, Prince Albert, Grasslands… will all revert to their proper owners, Alberta and Saskatchewan.
Then AB/Sask. can put the correct threads on the fire hydrants, and start clearing the dead wood out, permit controlled burns…
Add this story to what’s going on down in North Carolina with Hurricane Helene. Government IS the problem, not the solution. They stand in the way and prevent people from helping.
The last few seconds of the above video, is the announcer repeating what the federal spokesperson had said, that Canada is “warming at twice the global rate”
Remember when all news media companies announced that local average temperatures were rising at above the global average? Well if everyone is above the average, that’s not an average…
They’re lying about global warming, and the fire situation in Jasper was because of federal mismanagement.
Everything they touch turns to garbage, and their leader Is the #Shitmidas
Marc, that statement is true for Canada, as well as every other country. The global average includes the oceans, which are warming much less than any land mass.
Context is important.
Perhaps the entire department needs to be “FIREd”.
With the Trudeau government you never know if it’s malice, incompetence or both. The Liberal government’s well known hatred of Alberta and Saskatchewan makes people suspicious that the years of forest mismanagement and the bungled fire response in Jasper was deliberate but I doubt we’ll ever really know.
Regardless, the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan should take over forest management and fire fighting in national forests and parks inside their borders. The Trudeau government cannot be trusted, they have mismanaged or corrupted every department under their control.
Hanlon’s Razor needs to be applied only once, like “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”. So if you see one stupid practice, you apply the razor and attribute it to stupidity. The second time it would be appropriate to attribute it to malice or the shame is yours for not seeing it. When you see a pattern of stupidity, as we are seeing with the Liberal policies regarding forest fires, it is no longer stupidity, it is malicious and deliberate. It may also be stupid, but it has passed over the middle ground to malicious because it is insane (and there is a statement about that idea, too).
I agree. I have trouble believing any government could be as stupid, destructive and incompetent as often as the Trudeau Liberals have been for 9 years without there being malice and corruption involved.
But Pierre Poilievre’s sarcasm and disrespect for the media plus his tone and word choices while questioning the Trudeau government is the real problem. /s
Waterton 2017,
Jasper 2024,
Banff better watch it’s back.
Banff already got a small fire a couple of years ago courtesy of the Women in Firefighting Exchange, and a prescribed burn that they lost control of…
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/unexpected-winds-in-banff-cause-prescribed-burn-to-go-out-of-control
They stopped the farmer that was trying to plow a fire break in his fields, as well.
“Didn’t have proper training” was the excuse.
I’d put money on the farmer being smarter than the idiots in charge, just by looking at all these reports! They used to come into the bars, to recruit labor for fighting fires!
If it’s MY land, MY equipment, MY choice, you can F off, thank you kindly, I’ve decided to stay and i WONT be asking for your help!
I guess recruiting from bars is better than Pressganging prisoners after their release dates, like Kamala did.
Woodchipper. Feet first.
East Palestine, Lahaina, Jasper and now North Carolina. O.K. one, screw-up, but they are adding up quickly.
blaming Liberals only works up to a point.
when you get to that point, now start blaming Canaduhians who VOTE for them.
as such, we conclude sufficient of them on ontariowe and kaybeck HATE the prairies and this is their outlet, assign the ‘dirty work’ to the Liberals.
Correct! These government officials are just the symptoms. The real affliction is the diseased minds of the populous.
How did they get that way? Long, slow march through the institutions, among other reasons.
End career politicians! No one gets in without meritorious, recognized, relevant experience in
their fields. Reduce the pensions and benefits to back where they used to be!. It was once concidered an honour to SERVE your country in a government position and that was the most you gained from it!
So, basically, they’ve implemented Federally funded healthcare for forests.
40% of parks canada employees are in ottawa
that is a lot of pronoun correcting
As the article closes with “Canada’s climate is warming at twice the global rate”. Puke, bark, ralf, etc. I’m getting sick of that talking head bullsh–. It’s why I stopped watching TV back in 2007.
Hopefully, this years Arson Season is behind us.
Last year at West Bank BC they watched a fire burn for two hours before a supervisor showed up to approve an attack.
When the state gets bloated and obese …it moves very slow.
traitorous communist tyrants ………..
It seems fairly obvious that mere incompetence can’t explain what happened. It has to be deliberate . There are too many arrows pointing that direction..
It is no secret that Ottawa and their Globalist masters want humans out of the national parks and actually out of much of the country. This fire, and others, like Lytton, followed by impossible rebuilding restictions are a push in that direction.
“It seems fairly obvious that mere incompetence can’t explain what happened. It has to be deliberate . There are too many arrows pointing that direction..”
Agreed, Al. Incompetence IS rampant in any government agency, we’ve all known that for years…but *that* level of incompetence? In selecting *life saving* equipment? That could easily get someone prosecuted and jailed.
I smell a rat.
Different provinces have different specifications for fire infrastructure.
Manitoba and Ontario have different specs.
Gives the maintenance planners fits, especially when they don’t know, and order parts that should fit but don’t.
Just because the hydrants are in Alberta, doesn’t mean they were sourced from Alberta with Alberta specs.
Guys guys….you’re barking up the wrong tree. The firefighters were clearly denied access because they are not bilingual, the wrong colour, the wrong gender, the wrong religion and are not liberal party supporters.
WEXIT!!!