The Sound Of Settled Science

Dispatches from the war on meat;

In a new, unprecedented effort, scientists at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) scrutinized decades of research on red meat consumption and its links to various health outcomes, formulating a new rating system to communicate health risks in the process. Their findings mostly dispel any concerns about eating red meat.

“We found weak evidence of association between unprocessed red meat consumption and colorectal cancer, breast cancer, type 2 diabetes and ischemic heart disease. Moreover, we found no evidence of an association between unprocessed red meat and ischemic stroke or hemorrhagic stroke,” they summarized.

The IHME scientists had been observing the shoddy nature of health science for decades. Each year, hundreds of frankly lazy studies are published that simply attempt to find an observational link between some action — eating a food for example — and a health outcome, like death or disease. In the end, owing to sloppy methods, varying subject populations, and inconsistent statistical measures, everything, especially different foods, seems to be both associated and not associated with cancer. How is the lay public supposed to interpret this mess?

39 Replies to “The Sound Of Settled Science”

      1. I drink a shitload of coffee … and I’m still here … cancer free. Net zero. With a kick.

        1. Kenji
          Red wine will help you live longer.
          But the fermentation can cause cancer.
          Eat more Sharp Cheddar Cheese to maintain balance.

          1. Forgot to mention that study is from the Paul Riden Review.
            He also said don’t drink British Tea..

    1. does the starbucks in your neck of the woods have prop 65 warnings on their coffee cups?

      1. An incredible Musician and composer. Underrated because he never simply repeated one musical style. He was all over the board, musically … and did every style with a depth of knowledge and fresh interpretation. A an absolutely flaming homo. With a massive voice.

        I had a friend who was a professional piano player in clubs and cabarets for solo singers. She told me that the greatest voices are essentially freaks of nature. She said the one thing they have in common is a Uuuuuge voice box and windpipe and usually a huge mouth. It allows them to deliver huge volume effortlessly. Look at Joe Jackson. Maybe his massive mouth and pipes were developed *ahem* as part of his gay play … but I doubt it … he was born with a massive instrument.

  1. It’s almost like after a million years of eating red meat we’ve evolved to thrive on that diet.

  2. “ shoddy nature of health science” ….

    That has been evident for nutritional health “science” for a long time and demonstrated by public health practitioners during the Covid “epidemic”.

  3. I decide what I eat and I don’t need a study to tell me what food is good for me and what is not.
    Eat at home, buy fresh food, avoid processed food, go easy on sugar, salt and alcohol.
    If you don’t know how to cook … learn!
    If you can read, you can cook.
    And take nice long walk everyday,
    That’s all I got for now.

    1. If you don’t know how to cook … learn!
      If you can read, you can cook.

      All true. And if you can’t read…YouTube.

  4. About 15 years ago, when I was experiencing digestive problems, a good friend recommended me reading the book “Eat Right for your Blood Type”. It was written by a father/son team who were western medicine doctors as well as naturopaths and history nuts. I am Type “O+” – the original blood type of the Neanderthals. It is also the universal blood for donation. “O+” Blood requires a very simple diet of red meat, some chicken, some fish, lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, little processed foods (so no potato chips, very little sugar). Since I started following the diet, I do not have as many problems with my digestive tract.
    Each blood type is different and developed at different times of the human evolution. It is good to know about these studies but it is equally important to educate yourself about previous science studies.

    1. I met a Chinese fellow from Taiwan, and he told me he was such a Taiwan patriot, he had Taipei blood!

  5. All those “hundreds of frankly lazy studies” were no doubt peer reviewed before publication.

  6. Health Canada, the ivory tower of utter crappolia? Remember when they screamed “Peanut butter will give you cancer”, remember when they asserted “Eggs will clog your arteries and kill ya”. Now doctors tell people to take omega three vits (eggs are rich in this product) to help lower bad col. Every ten years the head shop screams out the results of shoddy experiments, and then ten years later they assert the opposite. I pay no attention, the green nuts think plant based food will save the planet, never mind most of that stuff is processed food and bad for you over time.

    1. Seed oils are especially bad, causes lots of inflammation.
      Just think of the amount of seeds one would have to consume to equal a few teaspoons of oil in our foods and we consume vast amounts of seed oils , not teaspoons.
      Stick with butter, lard or olive oil in sensible amounts.

  7. With everything politicized these days, studies are political science.. Everybody wants to force their lifestyle and worldview on others..
    I ride a bike or take transit = I hate cars.. I live in a condo therefor I’m a expert on farming and land management..

    Democracy is the wrong tool for over regulation.. Legalized mob rule is still mob rule.. just because you got the votes doesn’t make it right or even necessary.. A show of hands before we lynch this man?.. Lynching’s are democracy in action after all..

  8. // How is the lay public supposed to interpret this mess? //

    That’s what they are trying to remedy: the first link below introduces a star system for interpreting correlations between activities and results.
    The second is an interactive presentation of some 50 results; in the form of 1-5 stars, positive or negative.

    https://www.healthdata.org/news-release/new-star-rating-system-published-nature-medicine-helps-people-make-informed-decisions
    https://vizhub.healthdata.org/burden-of-proof/

    Smoking takes pride of place in positive correlations.
    It’s not noted but aerobic exercise would be the strongest correlation with good outcomes,
    effecting results from microbiomes to large organs.
    e.g. one can double the number of mitochondria; negate age-related motor neuron death etc etc

  9. // How is the lay public supposed to interpret this mess? //
    The issue is how the gubbermint will use/abuse the mess!!

    1. Gymkanna there you go again ASSuming , you are one stupid mofo.
      Go back to yer lounger and think happy thoughts of your military misadventures while downing another fifth of some cheap off brand swill.

    1. It certainly is! But it’s all bad.

      I want to see the study on the health benefits of eating fake meat that was concocted in a petrochemical plant. People who eat that crap just have no respect for their own bodies.

  10. As with almost? everything, these days, REAL PEOPLE are confronted by constant recycling of ‘solutions’ in search of ‘problems’.

    ALL politics works this way. Establish a ‘goal’, then cobble together all means fair and mostly foul to justify it.

    Death-Cultism 101.

    Seems to have worked OK for the mongrels, thus far.

  11. Funny how they want to outlaw beef but try to convince us that their substitutes taste just like it.

    1. A chemical concoction with ingredients that can’t even be pronounced. A sure sign of lurking poisons.

      There is a great one-liner diet that goes like this, “Never eat anything your grandmother wouldn’t recognize.”

  12. Wow! Scientists who aren’t venal. craven invertebrate jellies (Boris Johnson was good for something).

  13. My eyes point forward and I have two sharp teeth on my upper and lower jaw in the front. I am CLEARLY designed to eat meat.

    I don’t need a study to tell me something I can figure out by looking in a mirror.

    RNrn

  14. I am re-reading The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz (she also has several videos on youtube). The foundation of nutrition science is the Seven Countries Study. The problem with that study is that 22 countries were studied but the head of the study threw out the data from the 15 countries that disproved his theory that animal fat caused cardiovascular disease.
    For myself, now that I’m retired, I have time to do my own cooking with butter or olive oil. No more frozen dinners or other processed foods, I only use the microwave for reheating leftovers. I also avoid carbs, especially sugar, and eat a lot of beef and pork. I find that my energy levels remain stable all day long and I can go hours between meals and snacks without feeling tired and crabby.

  15. “I have time to do my own cooking with butter …”
    Cooking without butter is marginal at best.

  16. There is nothing more nourishing than excellent meat, fresh fruit and vegetables. Cooking from scratch is the best way to maintain good health. My heart goes out to families who have two working parents who make the effort. I did it too.

    Fortunately, I grew up in Alberta, with a good supply of great meat. My grandparents, born in Ontario, settled there in the mid1880’s.

    If one looks around, we have a lot of folks, including young people, who eat high carbo/fast food diets, are obese and clog up all “free” medicare centres.
    Home Ec courses vs. gender studies for schools.

    Happy BBQs to all!

  17. So scientists are proven to be lazy, or say what they have been paid to say. Shocking, I tells ya, shocking!

    Canada’s fruit fly expert didn’t get rich on a Cee Bee Cee wage……..

  18. I agree. Dietary science is a catastrophe, and it’s reputation among the public deservedly poor.

  19. Given that human beings evolved while eating raw meat……I’m pretty sure that the human body knew it all along.

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