72 Replies to “First They Came For The Truckers”

  1. A few suggestions to deal with the drug issue. 1. Mandatory incarceration and treatment in a withdrawal program. 2. Capital punishment for those importing the worse drugs. Cant be any worse than the current situation

    2. What is required first is the will to accomplish the aims that you outline. Did you notice this quotation in the article in question:

      “Advocates say they agree. ‘It didn’t need to get this bad. It’s preventable,’ said Karen Ward, a Downtown Eastside resident who works as a drug-policy adviser to the city. ‘They could have created public space. They could have closed a side street to traffic for them. Now everyone is crammed into three blocks of sidewalk and they’re all pushing each other.'”

      Does that sound like Karen Ward is agreement with you? Not to me, it doesn’t. She seems to suggest that you need to blockade a public street and let the problem fester. And until there is agreement, and the will to act, neither of the aims that you have so usefully suggested will occur.

      1. “Drug policy adviser”….in other words a drug advocate. She is a big part of the problem.

        1. “Drug Use Enabler” is what she is.

          Lib-tards have no intention of getting rid of the problem. To them, it is a means to justify their agency or organization living off the taxpayers. Thus, enabling is more profitable for them. Actually getting people to quit abusing drugs would mean they need to get real honest employment.

        2. ““Drug policy adviser”….in other words a drug advocate. She is a big part of the problem.”

          Absolutely she is. She is part of the Poverty Industry here in Vancouver, which employs hundreds of people who make good salaries exploiting the issue. They will never, ever propose anything that might actually *fix* the problems because that would mean the end of their cushy taxpayer-funded jobs.

    3. YES, this libertarian favours mandatory incarceration, tho I’d use a different phrase: mandatory rehabilitation preferably with some kind of attractive enticement to sign up voluntarily. The enticement might even be the threat of withdrawal of benefits for people not “volunteering”.

      NO DRUG INJECTION SITES.

      First They Came for the Truckers is a dumb thread title.

      1. “First They Came for the Truckers is a dumb thread title.”
        First They Came for the Truckers is a dumb title for this thread.

    6. And the Liberals are kicking around the idea of decriminalizing all drugs…..

  2. Am I the only one who thinks this is a good start? Drug addiction and homelessness cannot be allowed to continue because it begets a lot more troubles as time progresses. Mandatory detainment of drug addicts for treatment should be welcomed by the same ones who shut down businesses, stopped funerals, isolated and caused suicides for a 99.99999% survivable cold. As for the homeless, as a volunteer in my own city, the people who sleep on the sidewalks and under bridges are not doing it because they are forced to, they happen to like that lifestyle. Faron Hall is a prime example. “Homeless” man saves not one, but two people from drowning in the Red River over the course of a year, and the city offers him a residential home for free. He declined. Faron, an exceptional personal in some regards however, is not representative of the people who sleep under bridges as numerous police reports will confirm. The homeless should have some agreed upon designated areas, where some supervision can be had, and not allowed to set up wherever they like. The alternative means we can extend our backyards into our neighbor’s.

  3. I miss Whistling Smith. Some of that current crop of cops look like they’d need backup to beat their way out of a wet paper bag.

  4. How about we think for just a few seconds about those living in the housing and those operating businesses on those streets.

    The street people living thereake the area dangerous, their drug addled bodies and human waste products are everywhere. Needles and paraphernalia make walking a biohazard death trap. The shouts, the screams, the hostility, the harrassment are constant and do not make for a pleasant atmosphere to maintain an semblance of peace and calm.

    Broken people bring and spread brokeness.

    Wipe the slate clean. Let people who have a passion and gifting and training and heart for the broken and lost open up their lives and bring healing and restoration to these broken PEOPLE!! They are people.

    1. We could start by building treatment centers instead of vying for another Olympic games, which the city of Vancouver and the Province are currently doing.

      But they’ll piss away more billions for a couple of weeks of “feel-good” and photo-ops for the pols, then say there’s no money for the services that are really needed.

      And the suckers known as “the public” will fall for it again.

      1. You can build all the treatment centers in the world…..but you know the old saying….you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. All you would be doing is creating new ending “work” for social science majors. And as we all know, once a public “industry” is created, it only grows. It never solves the problem.

        1. Yes, Art.
          And once the psycho-babble industry gets involved, there will be lots of money, lots of feel-good sessions, lots of Awareness Training as to how it is never an individual’s fault – and even more of the behavior they were claiming to address.
          If we could eliminate that particular pseudo-science, many of society’s problems would be minimized.

          1. A lib-tard once commented in the Calgary Sun the following: “Do you think these people ask to be addicted?”
            Shows how mentally incompetent a lib-tard is. The answer to the lib-tard bitch’s question? “YES!”

            No one gets addicted to drugs by accident. They voluntarily start on their own. Even people injured and later “addicted” abused the painkillers they were given.
            There is no: “There I was, minding my own business. I was standing at the corner of Hastings and Main by myself. All of a sudden, this meth pipe jabbed itself into my mouth and blew all the meth smoke into my lungs! Now here I am.” Yet, a lib-tard will tell you that is a true and accurate statement.

            (Can substitute meth pipe with acid paraphernalia, heroin syringe, pain pill, etc. It doesn’t matter. The person voluntarily abused it.)

        2. “once a public “industry” is created, it only grows”

          Like cancer, parasitizing the “host” with its own corrupted cells.

      2. Treatment centres? Oh yeah, those are nice 30 day vacations for the welfare bums to get a fresh change of clothes, put on a few pounds and get regular showers for awhile.
        Then it’s back to the druggy lifestyle, fun and games, until their next 30 day vacation.

        Sorry, but there’s one thing the whole drug crowd is dependable for. That is LYING and saying anything to justify their depraved lifestyle of drugging and thieving. Witnessed this first hand years ago by several acquaintances, there is nothing that stops an addict bum from getting their hands on money, booze and drugs.

        The mistake the City made was letting this fester for 2 months. Of course, tahat was the result of typical, gubermint uselessness. They should have moved the bums out the very first week that the Poverty Pimps directed the bums to move their tents onto the sidewalks. Someone must have seen the YT videos from LA, where a whole section of LA is now a wasteland of bums, addicts, and useless carbon units.

    3. Broken and lost is exactly right, and my heart truly breaks for them. I work in a hospital setting in a smaller city and you would not believe the numbers of homeless/addicted/mentally ill people right from pre-teen to adults. The majority fall into all 3 categories and are quite often violent. Most are in and out of rehab and jail but they never seem to get straightened out. We have a large number of regulars we see at the hospital all the time……often numerous times in a week. Many are violent. Our health care system is not able to help them and is just a revolving door for them with no real help given to them at all. They come in, are held for 72 hours under Mental Health Act (often MUCH less than that) and then released back to the street. I honestly don’t think anyone has the answer. Personally I believe there is only one answer, but I don’t believe people want to hear it.

  5. Prior to the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban had kept the opium trade low with severe penalties for those involved in it.

    With the US invasion, the opium and heroin trade soared, and soon there was an “opioid epidemic” in the west. With the US withdrawal, the Taliban are again cracking down, including destroying poppy fields.

    Pat Tillman, the Arizona Cardinal who joined the Rangers, became disillusioned with what he personally experienced in Afghanistan and was shortly thereafter killed by point-blank “friendly fire”.

    I find it fascinating that the British introduced the opium trade to China by force a couple of centuries ago with similar devastating results.

    I don’t see this as interesting but disconnected facts, but rather part of a greater strategy of weakening a civilization.

    By the usual vermin in the Vatican.

      1. walter
        And the CIA and Vatican are good friends. They have intel sharing sessions on a regular basis, and have had so since the CIA was created. James Files (the shooter on the grassy knol) was put in jail because he knew too much about Boosh and Klinton, and their drug and gun running through Mena Arkansas. G W H Boosh rose to the top of CIA.

        1. https://www.amazon.ca/Operation-Gladio-Alliance-between-Vatican/dp/1616149744

          “This disturbing exposé describes a secret alliance forged at the close of World War II by the CIA, the Sicilian and US mafias, and the Vatican to thwart the possibility of a Communist invasion of Europe. Journalist Paul L. Williams presents evidence suggesting the existence of “stay-behind” units in many European countries consisting of five thousand to fifteen thousand military operatives. According to the author’s research, the initial funding for these guerilla armies came from the sale of large stocks of SS morphine that had been smuggled out of Germany and Italy and of bogus British bank notes that had been produced in concentration camps by skilled counterfeiters. As the Cold War intensified, the units were used not only to ward off possible invaders, but also to thwart the rise of left-wing movements in South America and NATO-based countries by terror attacks.”

  6. The government created the issue so now they can implement their planned solutions…

    As for the rest of you here stating mandatory this and that

    Stick your mandatory where the sun doesn’t shine…

    You all don’t support freedom and free will…

    1. Give them the choice of jail or treatment. But you can’t choose to shoot heroin on the street.

        1. Free
          Stuff it, you ain’t got a effing klue BOI. I’v had to deal with my kid on drugs, and have had friends who had same situations. Now FO

        2. You are totally free to do what you want until you or your proxy (such as governments) makes it my problem. Make me pay higher taxes, steal from me, threaten me, push it on members of my family, etc., it becomes my problem. That means my freedom is infringed and I will insist upon corrective measures.

          Also, it is “you’re a Nazi”.

    2. There are some things in life, Freeman, that are mandatory. It is mandatory that people are able to breathe as it is an autonomic reaction and failure to do results in death. It should not be mandatory that I pay for people to do drugs in the streets, and at this moment, I resent having to do so through my tax dollars.

      Can I force people into treatment? Probably not. But should I be forced to pay for them to be revived after they, of their own free will, enter into suicidal behavior? No. Would I pay, as an individual to assist someone that I know personally to get out of addictive behavior? Yes, I would, if I have some say in the means because everyone has, at one time or another, had to deal with harmful and addictive behavior, myself included. But to apply a blanket solution when there is no blanket solution that will ever work is foolhardy, and to support destructive behavior is ridiculous. There must be limits for society to survive. It is the nature of those limits that we are discussing, not whether there should be limits.

      1. Taxes are payments for being able to breathe and be Alive on this man made hell on earth…

        “You Must Inoculate Your Children,” Banker said in 1999

        “Our kingdom is the kingdom of money,” our globalist friend writes. “We have given you a piece of paper or some numbers on a computer screen that we have termed ‘money.’

        It is backed up by nothing and proven by nothing but what we say it is. We create it from nothing, we print it, we loan it, we give it its value, and we take its value away. All things that have to do with money are in our hands.”

        https://henrymakow.com/001544.html

    3. Free will is a GIFT, not a right.
      Exercising it irresponsibly rightly has consequences.

      1. If you hurt no one but yourself…

        Injure others than there is consequences…

        Remember all our ills were manufactured to be this way…

        We are all currently enslaved in a evil system…

  7. It’s odd that my first comment on this post was held for examination by the editors, and still not posted ten minutes later.

    I guess this site is channeling facebook, only the “right” comments allowed.

    I’ve been a fan of SDA since the early days of the blog, hope it hasn’t succumbed to the same p/c- ness.

    2. That’s the software, you probably included a banned word or link. Believe me, I have no time to perch over this comments section picking winners and losers.

  8. There is no way to truly help an addict who doesn’t want help. Force them to get clean and it’ll only last until they can get out of your sight. The saying goes they have to hit rock bottom before they can make the crucial decision to seek help.
    Most of them will never get to that point before they die from one reason or another. The current system not only fails them in typical socialistic fashion, but also those who want to get clean by sticking them right back into the environment that enabled them in the first place.

  10. I lived in greater Vancouver for about 10 years. The question I have is why now? I have guesses, mainly from watching a clip of some shop merchants in Chinatown (the street with all the tents is East Hastings which divides Chinatown from Gastown) and my time in Vancouver. Prior to the last few years, Vancouver was rich enough, with office towers and tourists and well to do, that the street people were tolerated. The response to Covid hit a lot of businesses. A lot less people work downtown and haven’t returned. I also bet tourism hasn’t returned to anywhere near the levels before either – it’s expensive, it’s inconvenient, and less people have the money to travel. Those who wanted to develop in a rundown area may have seen their opportunity pass (if not for the street people, this is some of the most valuable property in the world). The street people are jn part a convenient excuse for a local economic downturn (including a loss of tax revenue) and hence an obvious target to blame.

  11. I’ve always thought of street people as canaries in the coal mine. They disappear and so does freedom.
    BUT, you don’t get to pitch a tent and take a dump and drop a needle and freakout and vomit wherever the fck you please.
    I’m not offering solutions. I have none.

    I don’t believe in capital punishment of drug dealers (or anyone) by the state. You want to give Juthtin that power?
    But a proper prison in one of the territories for the rest of their life is okay.
    And CAGE for Juthtin.

    1. These are all participants in Darwin’s Law. They will meet their deserved fate by their current lifestyle.
      Cold hearted? Nope. THEY make their own choices, THEY are responsible for their actions. The worst part of all this, is watching socialist gubermints throw millions at a problem, thanks to bleeding heart do-gooders, that know sweet FA about the nature of addicts, their behaviour, and their constant lying and deception.
      I’ve yet to see a large group of these bleeding hearts take in the homeless drecks into their own homes, leading by example. Instead, they love to dictate as long as it’s OPM to throw at the issue.

      1. I had to look that up…
        I’m a bit torn.
        It seems like a slippery slope.
        I don’t want 1st responders making ethical decisions on treatment.
        I don’t want safe injection sites as they are nothing more than Enabler Tents and crime hubs.
        Sigh.

  12. Watch the you tube video ” Seattle is Dying ” ( or just the last ten minutes ). They have a very good answer.

  13. We must dig mass graves, and fill them using bulldozers and Soylent Green “Scoops” to properly deal with the druggies, mentally ill and homeless, and any other group that we designate as unsound.
    Only thus can Utopia be achieved.

    1. Yes and kill the brown eyed ones and dont forget the blue eyed ones or the green and gray or whatever colour kill them all…

      Are you Up to date on your Covid shots…

  14. I m just happy the stasi are so diverse in their looks . sarc off. im especially happy with the mean looking broad with the bat utility belt.

  15. Just release some bad fentanyl in the area and pick up the stiffs the next day. If you don’t want to become a dead, filthy, stinking, homeless junkie, don’t start taking drugs.

    And don’t put the truckers on the same level as these pieces of shit.

  16. We already had places to house these people….and the “progressives” kicked them out and put them on the streets for the rest of us to deal with.

    1. Drug addicts. Mandatory treatment in a facility in which they cannot leave until they have sorted themselves out.
    2. Mentally ill. Same deal. MANDATORY treatment in a facility in which they cannot leave until they have learned to cope, or are not a threat to the rest of us.

    And you will then find, all the drug dealers, whores, and “wannabe’s” who like to congregate with them find some place else to go.

    Good citizens, shouldn’ t have to worry about walking downtown. Clean up the druggies, drunks, crazy people, and thugs. Who cares where they go….just get them off the streets.

  17. Methinks “Francisco” is a wannabe SJW. I agree with others- comparing these folks with the truckers is just plain stupid, not to mention offensive.

  18. There’s only one solution: relocate them to places like Rockliffe Park, Westmount, Bridle Path, and Point Grey.

    2. Lots of space and trees in the Bridle Path, swimming pools make excellent urinals,and the valleys around Rosedale are a “Muskoka Like Setting!!!” (to borrow a phrase from bottom shelf real estate agents). Urban glamping for the drug addled is a great solution. I say ship them all there by charter to the Island airport pronto courtesy of John Tory’s Rogers expense account.

  20. Send them all to Ocean Falls. Nobody there but a few old hippies. It would be a great place for “treatment center” or an internment camp.

    1. “Send them all to Ocean Falls. Nobody there but a few old hippies. It would be a great place for “treatment center” or an internment camp.”

      You beat me to it. Best thing about Ocean Falls? NO ROADS.

      Take them there, detox them, train them in some kind of marketable skills and send them back if they pass a test or two. Wanna rejoin society? Prove you can be a productive member, and we’ll let you leave….otherwise, you stay.

  21. Set up a drug rehabilitation centre outside Churchill, Manitoba. You stay until you’re clean. Feel free to leave… just start walking. Good luck with the Polar Bears.

  22. Perhaps the failure is in catch-all legislation that is not – because it cannot, or because it is “too expensive” – to be enforced.

    Homelessness should not be a crime. Trespassing, occupying private and certain public areas to the detriment of others, littering and bad behaviour, should be.

    Arguably, drugs might not be a crime, either. Public intoxication, engaging in certain activities while under the influence…. pretty much.

    Ergo, what you do in your own time and space might be considered your own business, but inflicting your behaviour on others, not so much. But legislators are addicted to “tough” legislative gestures without any cost-benefit analysis.

  24. Thank you Kate for bringing this Vancouver issue forward, as I live nearby.

    During my life, I grew up and was educated in a “normal, well-organized environment that we used to know as Canada” in Calgary, where we had vagrancy laws and mental hospitals. Those worked well, but that was B.D. (before drugs). I did not even see pot until 1st yr. grad school. This is somewhat related to truckers (a fan of the convoy, myself), in that we are losing our Canadian culture of personal responsibility, hard work and independence.

    Moved to very boring and liberal Ottawa and abroad to large cities for many years (safe Japan and crazy NY). And now very lefty LALA Land Vancouver for 25 years.

    The reason we have this lower east side issue is that this is quite a snobby and diverse (but segregated) place. Almost no one with financial credentials and a work ethic applies for any positions on City Council or even MLA. Most are mushy activists who think rules are mean and that the “overly-diagnosed” mentally ill should get free homes, free help and free drugs. The entire city of Vancouver are enablers, and have been for years. NIMBY. I think there was one sensible mayor who gave one-way tickets to people newly arrived.

    Last year, the summer tent city was in a huge, lovely lower class park (Strathcona). I used to take my dog there. No national news … Fortunately, the neighbourhood had rather good protests in 2021 and made the City close down the tents, albeit not until fall. It cost we real, breathing, paying taxpayers ONE MILLION DOLLARS in generous city wages to clean the park. I join the previous vote in this thread for Point Grey or West Van next year!!!

    That area on Main Street has always been dirty and horrible, as they placed all the drug-enabling services and social workers there. Yet, they all have take-out cups from Tim’s or Starbuck’s (personally, I make my own, as Starbuck’s is too expensive).

    I guess this location is just too obvious this year, as it scares the tourists. I agree, Nardol is not helpful, nor 30-day rehab. Perhaps, work houses and some discipline …. If you want coffee, make your bed and clean the tent. for starters. No drugs before bathing and cleaning clothes … Basic training for 2-4 year olds ..

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