Manitobans experiencing the joys and wonders of socialized medicine.
Our province is speaking with the Canadian Armed Forces, North Dakota, and Saskatchewan to transport COVID-19 patients for care.
Dr. Perry Gray, Shared Health’s Chief Medical Officer, says as of Tuesday morning at least 18 patients have been transported to Ontario, with our province in conversation with other jurisdictions to care for a growing number of Manitobans needing care.
And the everything else can wait plan seems to have hit a wall.
Under the strain of COVID-19, non-pandemic-related patient care is deteriorating the doctors say. Manitobans are being left with life-altering conditions and some are dying, they warned at a Tuesday press conference.
“It is clear that cancers are progressing and are not being operated on; people who have aneurisms, the aneurisms are bursting at home and people are dying,” said Dr. Eric Jacobsohn, an intensive care physician at Winnipeg’s Health Sciences Centre (HSC).
“There are people now who are waiting to have their spines operated on that are losing control of their bowels and bladder and becoming paralyzed, and in fact the province has now started transferring these patients to U.S. institutions for surgeries.”
Scare them, mention Chaoulli v Quebec (AG).
Yeah, except that BC has Cambie Surgery vs BC and BC won. This will take years to sort out and then our Supreme Court will just decide that our lives are less valuable than they were before and they will over-rule themselves again a la Rodriguez and TWU.
Even in this screwed up country a victory at Canaduh Supreme Court should trump a decision at BC Supreme Court, but your point is well made, socialism at the level of these senior judges is endemic.
My point was poorly made, if I was in a situation where urgent care was necessary but being denied I would certainly mention Chaoulli to gauge whether the physicians/hospital want to get involved in a potential law suit.
Amazing how it is all Provinces with FAKECON Premiers and the toughest lockdowns that are having the worst outcomes.
Fat Assed Ford, Bed Pisser Palliser and PEEWEE Kenney all 3 are done. Kenney is polling lower than Trudeau. The whole mess and all the deaths was all caused by these Idiots, criminals all of them.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ron-paul-how-texas-killed-covid
This was all a plan.
Not that there will be another election, though.
Watcher, good read.
Will anyone be held responsible for the thousands who died because of the prohibition on safe treatments such as hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin that have since been shown to be effective against Covid-19?
(We were given shots and pills of Quinine back during the conflict.)
Prior to ‘hydroxychloroquine’ it kept us from getting everything except the Clapp.
I Didn’t need a stab, enough of that stuff is already clotting my veins.
As soon as Donald Trump mentioned that hydroxychloroquine might be effective against the virus, the “experts” circled the wagons. It was banned for use, until it later was quietly un-banned.
The politicization of medicine is anti-science, anti-human, and anti-American. Will those who needlessly died due to this politicization finally get their justice ..
Nursing homes might have killed at least 30 thousand souls.
Manitoba has had over a year and a blank cheque to improve the situation. What have they done? Nothing.
The problem isnt rooms or hardware. Its qualified ICU hospital workers.
The problem is Manitoba health central planners.
alla ASSHOLE, you ever work in a hospital? Didn’t think so, so as on every other topic, you are full of shit,
So they could have done something about that. Fast tracked nursing students, imported nurses, gave incentives for health care workers to upgrade. I know people working in healthcare and have family members working there. One is a BN who works in the surgical unit doing bookings. Since all this essential surgeries only stuff she hasn’t been working that hard other then shuffling papers to try and figure out the every changing rules for covid. She was willing to take upgraded training to work in the icu. Was told it wasn’t needed. It also doesn’t help that every time someone gets a sniffle they can’t work for three or four days. Also why are doctors taking appointments for mundane things like cosmetic procedures. A friend had a consult for some scar tissue on her back last week. Assuming this doctor has a medical degree. Why is he doing cosmetic surgery consultations. Should be all hands on deck.
Why is abortion considered an essential service?
To be fair, the medic doing “cosmetic” surgery may well no longer be qualified to step up and help out in – say – ICU. I checked in with my dermatologist because our family has a history of skin cancer and was concerned about some lesions. Did get one removed which was thinking nasty thoughts, and am grateful for the dermatologist who performed the procedure and who had not gone to “remote” diagnosis.
That being said, there was a reason that – back in the day – we used to say that my mother’s primary care physician was a veterinarian. Once an offspring had so qualified, it was this grandchild we called in when we were concerned about Granny. There are times when “alternate” methods work.
I wasnt making any sort of excuse for their incompetence, just clarifying the point.
Exactly what I told a nurse in Winnipeg who happened to have a child with my nephew. They are indoctrinated and clueless.
Pallister is an old angry fool, stuck in the past . All he is able to do is blaming Manitobans for existence of the virus.
Well, as used to be said on this site, “no one needs to be a doctor”. Likewise, no doctor born and raised and trained and certified in Canada need to stay. They are experiencing this, first hand. Suffering is good. Without suffering, there is no opportunity for learning.
People can learn to live independently. Or, people can choose to be ever more dependent on government and continue to complain when being dependent on government hurts them personally.
This whole Wuhan Flu crap has never been about the f*cking virus itself, which kills an infinitesimal minority, most of whom had co-morbidities. Lockdowns, stay at home orders, masks, distancing, the whole f*cking kabuki show was always about hiding the fact that our much vaunted health care system is far from the myth most Canadian idiots (BIRM) believe it is. Our health care system can barely cope with regular demand, because a single-payer, single-tier arrangement will be chronically and irredeemably starved of resources. Add a tiny surge of intensive demand and it breaks. That’s it. That’s all. The draconian lockdown advice pols are getting from the medical sector is about the reality that our health care system is crap and can’t handle a virus 99.9% of people survive if they catch it at all. And for that, they’ve ruined our economy.
I’d dearly like to see the prime minister, premiers and all the sanctimonious, incompetent medical officers of health get an appointment with Madame Guillotine for what they did to this formerly prosperous country.
“Control healthcare and you control the people” ~ Saul Alinsky
You are correct. If they lose control of that narrative, there is no bottom to that rabbit hole.
Yes indeed.
Socialized medicine has become so deeply ingrained in the canadian psyche, it’s essentially elevated to sacred cow status and its purveyors are beatified. How much tax revenue goes to support this bloated, union-infested, white elephant?
The level of credulity exhibited by the canadian population at large with respect to “information” spewed by these midwits, quacks, and charlatans is really disheartening.
I notice this amongst people I associate with regularly. The amount of joyful exuberance that they’ve manifested at the prospect of being able to sign up for and receive the Covid shots is deeply troubling. And I’m viewed as something of a leper for daring to question the safety or efficacy of these shots, and adopting a “wait and see” approach.
I notice this amongst people I associate with regularly. The amount of joyful exuberance that they’ve manifested at the prospect of being able to sign up for and receive these shots is deeply troubling. And I’m viewed as something of a leper for daring to question the safety or efficacy of these shots, and adopting a “wait and see” approach.
You’re not alone ET.
Said the same to an older acquaintance a couple weeks ago, and they literally took 2 steps away, and were tongue tied, then had to get on their way.
The level of blind faith in governments and CBC is staggering.
Tanker, well said.
On your final paragraph, I would posit the option of Madame Woodchipper, feet first for all that fit the bill.
Have a nice day
It’s not the providers that are the problem.
It’s that all funding must go through a government agency that operates like an insurance company.
They are risk adverse and they ration payouts lest their fund not get a ROI.
Canadians were, and still are, too addicted to the “free stuff” that socialism came in with a bang. Now, many Canadians cannot wipe their own noses without government intervention.
I have often pointed out we developed and survived two million years and only in the last 60 do we now fear crossing the street because we’re not sure about government healthcare.
Yep. And it is always advantageous to have a politically-correct disease or ailment. For a while … it was SUPER !! Yeayyy !! If you had AIDS. Why? Because POLITICS steered a HUGE amount of limited resources to AIDS research and treatment. If you had cancer … well … you can just dieeeee. Now … it’s the Chyyynah Flu. Cancer patients are dying … again.
Yes.
This is SICK. This is what totalitarian governments do.
It’s not single-payer that screws up health care in Canada, it’s that the single-payer micro-manages everything from doctor visits to hospitals. Canadians should all have lifetime Health Savings Accounts contributed to monthly as child allowance and Old Age Pension is. Then make every health care provider balance its books as it sells services to consumers. No one tells senior citizens where and on what they must spend their pension; a universal health care plan that adopted such a consumer-directed approach would see services improve and costs go down.
But isn’t the system south of the boarder worse than hell it self?
Houston currently has 200 empty icu beds and another 800+ icu beds ready in their phase 1 and 2 over flow plans. https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/
That’s just Houston TMC
A medical patient in the US is a customer.
A medical patient in Canada is an expense.
In the USA, insurance companies, medicare, medicaid, veterans’ health, etc handle almost the entire funding and management of healthcare – they are hardly different from our bureaucrat-heavy system. The one advantage America has over Canada is that their health care market is somewhat competitive, resulting in a wide variety of providers at varying price levels. They try to maintain the myth that they don’t have universal health care but who in America doesn’t receive care when needed?
What Tanker said at 7:51.
As long as all the unionized floor moppers making 2.5X minimum wage also have their gold plated pension, who gives a fuck?
This simply cannot be.
I was assured by people who have never had to use the single payer system in any real measure that we had the best system in the world and that America is bad.
OK, I’v used both, and prefer the USA system. My neighbour from the past, had pain under lft eye, needed MRI, his doctor sent him to Buffalo, $2400 later he was back, and doctor scheduled him for gama knife treatment, he died about 4 years later. Doctor said he would have been dead before he could be scheduled for MRI in Canada. McGimpy bought out ore private MRI clinic, instead of just adding new capacity. My SIL died bc, she didn’t get an MRI, and one brother died prematurely bc lack of MRI capacity. The problem is political and unions , more so than health care capability
Pre-Wu Flu, I had an MRI and also took my mother for an MRI. What surprised me, both times, was the empty Radiology department. It was a ghost town. There were no patients waiting anywhere for anything. I’m not sure if that’s good management or just the lousy, rationed healthcare system.
We had a family friend who had a rare cancer that was not covered under Canada’s single-payer, unimpeachable healthcare plan.
She eventually died.
Had her illness been too great that medical science could not help her, one could understand.
That the system she worked for and paid into told her to screw off, well, that’s a little harder to take.
Canada has the absolute best palliative comfort care in the world. That is because by the time you get a diagnosis that is usually the only viable treatment option left. Now, that is also being threatened with MAiD; which will become mandatory before this century is out.
Read Solzhenitsyn’s “Cancer Ward” and have it all make sense.
The only thing the critics can propose to keep the system from overloading is, naturally, to close all businesses they deem “non-essential”. One assumes that includes golf courses, among others, which are not doing anything to spread the virus.
If you wanted to have a bigger impact on Covid numbers, you could close down manufacturing. That would pretty much put the economy into a death spiral in short order, but if it alleviated the strain on a bankrupt, collapsing health care system, my guess is that they would see this as an acceptable price. Maybe they think various levels of government could just make good on all these losses. I beg to differ.
This is the end game of socialized medicine. This is how it goes down.
From the Steinback online article: “He says in March, Manitobans were much more proactive about the orders.
“I am not getting the same sense right now.”
Maybe he could point to some evidence of where these alleged rule-breakers are and what they did to cause this. In any case, people are just sick and tired of putting their lives on hold and having precious little to show for it.
1.3 million population, 75 icu beds pre-pandemic.
They’ve since added 40 icu beds but since they don’t have icu qualified staff to operate them, they use a shared coverage model… which means the traditional 1 to 1 icu coverage goes out the window and patients in icu are being cared for by unqualified staff
Math is not something the government or the media has any kind of grasp of. Stupid or lying…
After this October, AB will be re-negotiating equalization payments with the federal gov’t (and other provinces?) … it’s doubtful the status quo will be the model in the next few years. It’s a certainty the funding won’t be coming from us here, as we’re hooped for the next decade as well. Manitoba will just be getting into the hooped game in the next few years.
It’s going to be ugly, you haven’t seen anything yet with this medicare problem in Manitoba, they were set to drown in debt without covid, with covid, they’ll be the new Newfoundland in a decade.
It does appear to be a nice place to visit as long as you’re not paying the taxes, somewhat like the Atlantic provinces.
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/report-shows-manitoba-hydro-debt-the-scandal-of-the-century-premier-1.5329436
If I was an icu patient and they offered transfer to North Dakota I’d be happy. They actually try to treat patients there, not just stabilize them.
Exactly, I’m hoping to get sent to an ND hospital and not have to come back.
Chris at 10:56pm said:
“A medical patient in the US is a customer.
A medical patient in Canada is an expense.”
THIS. 1 MILLION PERCENT.
Tommy Douglas. Not dead enough.
(applause)
If they were being honest with the pcr testing they could actually just isolate the truly sick from covid patients. They have plenty of sick with covid patients that are actually in hospital for other legitimate reasons. Rapid testing and temperature checks could have then allowed family in to see these patients. I don’t think people realize how much of a burden is lifted off hospital staff when family is there to help take care of their sick family members. They help with many physical tasks not to mention they greatly reduce the mental anguish and stress patients are under.
the pcr test is useless and should never be used as a diagnostic tool.
This is just weird. Here in the US covid is essentially over. In my locality and state (bluegov but fairly moderate lockdown policies; officially restrictions on the number of people at gatherings haven’t been lifted yet but it’s not like it’s enforced very carefully) the numbers are the lowest they’ve been since the start of the outbreak and by midsummer it should be about done.
Why is Canada different? Higher latitude and therefore more people indoors with recirculated air?
I’m convinced it’s a higher proportion of people with Vitamin D deficiencies and poor diets generally. Food costs are sky high in MB.
“Food costs are sky high in MB.”
No, pop and chips are cheap, plane loads fly out every day.
Higher proportion of socialized medicine. When bureaucrats control the supply there is never enough supply, and that applies to hospital beds and drugs. The volume of people who are actually sick with the whu who flu could be accommodated easily if facilities were properly planned and staffed. Someone made the comment that in America the patient is a customer, but in Canada they are an expense, and that is a significant difference.
Of course Canadians are still running around with their hair on fire in fear of a virus that still has a 99.8% recovery rate.