There’s a debate going on between doctors on the BMJ website about the new covid vaccines. Here is the original article that kicked it off.
We have a duty to protect patients
Vageesh Jain, public health specialty registrar, University College London, says, “As it stands, legally, you don’t have to have a covid vaccine. But ethically, clinically, epidemiologically—whichever way you slice it—I would argue you do.“The ethical case is grounded in the professional duty healthcare workers have to protect their patients: do no harm. Although everyone has the right to decide whether to take a vaccine or not, patients (often elderly or unwell, and therefore vulnerable to covid-19) also have fundamental rights to be protected from avoidable harm. When these principles come into conflict, actions that safeguard the best interests of patients must be favoured.
Responses to the article can be found here.
One in particular stands out.
I have had more vaccines in my life than most people and come from a place of significant personal and professional experience in relation to this pandemic, having managed a service during the first 2 waves and all the contingencies that go with that.
Nevertheless, what I am currently struggling with is the failure to report the reality of the morbidity caused by our current vaccination program within the health service and staff population. The levels of sickness after vaccination is unprecedented and staff are getting very sick and some with neurological symptoms which is having a huge impact on the health service function. Even the young and healthy are off for days, some for weeks, and some requiring medical treatment. Whole teams are being taken out as they went to get vaccinated together.
Mandatory vaccination in this instance is stupid, unethical and irresponsible when it comes to protecting our staff and public health. We are in the voluntary phase of vaccination, and encouraging staff to take an unlicensed product that is impacting on their immediate health, and I have direct experience of staff contracting Covid AFTER vaccination and probably transmitting it. In fact, it is clearly stated that these vaccine products do not offer immunity or stop transmission. In which case why are we doing it? There is no longitudinal safety data (a couple of months of trial data at best) available and these products are only under emergency licensing. What is to say that there are no longitudinal adverse effects that we may face that may put the entire health sector at risk?
But do go through them all it’s interesting reading. It also highlights why we need freedom of speech instead of just the blue pill consensus garbage they keep feeding us.
Fascinating discussion. I find I am more concerned about the bad effects of the vaccine at least one of the letters reports. I am also more concerned about the fact that we don’t know if the vaccines work and we don’t know if the vaccines stop us from transmitting the virus. If we don’t know these things about the vaccine, and my government of Manitoba clearly states on their website we don’t, then why the hell are we taking the risk of the vaccine???? Who takes a treatment when there is no benefit?
For the same reason we are wearing masks that do very little to prevent the spread?
also, does the government changing the recommended interval between doses violate the Nuremberg laws against human experimentation? the manufacturers went and tested at a given interval for their drugs, but a political decision was made to extend it from the tested 21 to 28 days to up to 120 days or more later.
I agree with you, Justin about right now being more concerned about the aftereffects of the vaccines themselves. I don’t know if I’m going to feel hunky-dory or have all sorts of unpleasantness or something in between, and then I’ll have to do it all over again in a few weeks unless I’m lucky enough to get the single dose. Plus at this point it looks like here in the States, it isn’t going to be much longer until the vaccine supply outnumbers the demand across most if not all of the country, and they’ll be begging people to show up, just walk in, we’ll take you. I know it’s happening already in parts of the country. And now they’re saying we’ll have to do it all over again next year.
So while I do have some issues that would make me someone who is recommended to get it, do I jump through the registration hoops to get an appointment now and get jabbed, or wait a month or 6 weeks when I can likely do it at my convenience? Or do I not get it at all? That’s one reason why I think they’re really pushing the stories about the variants showing up. Not that I welcome those variants, not at all, but they need to keep up the PR press as they get past the people who absolutely want to get vaccinated and to the people who aren’t in a hurry, don’t want it at all, or are conflicted about it for various reasons, and as more states and localities loosen restrictions.
Canada? Well, I don’t need to say anything about how they’ve messed the vaccination thing up.
Exactly, Justin and why has the Thug Pallister come out publicly in favor in a vaxx passport? Because he is part of the new world order, globalist cabal and has always been in favor of their depopulation agenda, whether he admits it or not. What a scum bag!
Actually JB, we have been informed many times, by many medical people and the manufacturers, that the “vaccine” cannot stop you from getting the virus, and the “vaccine” cannot prevent you from spreading the virus. There is zero chance of immunity with any of the offerings out there. I don’t know when we became so foolish but it just might finish us off.
Another there goes the narrative…
https://www.iceagenow.info/contrary-to-popular-belief-sea-ice-at-both-poles-is-growing-not-shrinking/
Called Climate Emergency now is it?
Wish our governments global warming kicks in real soon.
It’s getting damn cold!
Based on the information available to me I accept the risk of driving my car on a major highway to go to the hospital, and my friendly insurance company has converted that risk into $$ for me so I can see if it’s worth it.
Based on the information available to me I do not accept the risk of a new technology untested mRNA gene therapy colloquially known as a “vaccine”, and no insurance agent or actuary that I know of has converted that risk into $$ for me, or if they have it is a very, very, very secret calculation. So secret that they had to eliminate liability for the makers of this “vaccine”.
The “vaccines “ are licensed under Emergency Use Approval (EUA) ie they are still in stage three trials which will variously end late 2022/early 2023. EUAs are granted in the absence of an effective fully licensed treatment . Should one arise the EUA is withdrawn and the medication withheld until it is fully licensed as safe and effective.
Please watch Dr Tess Lawry carefully lay out her meta analysis of the use of ivermectin from which the obvious conclusion is that it works both early and late in the disease. It is moreover cheap, safe and easy to administer with very few recorded side effects.
The second half of the interview is the most revealing: the reluctance of health authorities to even acknowledge her work which she has distributed according to WHO protocol(from the days when public health was more important than politics) on important breakthroughs.
Now tell me there aren’t powerful interest groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctpuhtHmXhs
Francisco, Did you see the poll at the bottom of the article? The no side was in the lead with 57% of the votes.
The No side is now leading 59 – 41% as of 4:25 PM.
People, it’s not a vaccine!
It’s an injection of a virus, human DNA, chemicals and nano-technology.
A vaccine is used to infect a person so they are immune to the virus should it become present in the body, as the immune system fights off the virus as it has already recognised it and prevents reinfection.
This monstrosity does nothing of the sort. There are many cases of people still getting Covid after they have had the jab.
So, why did they get the injection in the first place? Somebody told them to, they obeyed and didn’t realize the fallout or the consequences of their obedient actions.
Friend of ours in the medical system has refused to take the jab as they are seeing first hand the destruction and sickness caused after their co-workers have gotten it and they are not willing to take that high-risk chance of long term ill effects.
Which is probably why “vaccine” is being used, since if more people knew they’re expected to do what the regular flu shot does (ie. you still might get it, you still might transmit it), less people will want to line up for them. Not to mention there will be demands people keep wearing masks forever for the same reason.
I think there will come a point, though, and it’s coming sooner rather than later, that they’ll make it mandatory to show proof of “vaccination” in order to do certain things or participate in certain activities, and I bet the commercial airline industry will lead the way.
“I bet the commercial airline industry will lead the way”
I strongly suspect that the airlines are so desperate to get back flying they will agree to almost anything. If proof of vaccination, no matter how useless the ‘vaccine’ is, will allow them to resume operations, then they will jump at it.
My son is (was) an airline pilot, and he hasn’t flown for a year now, with no sign that he will be recalled anytime soon. Some airlines haven’t flown in a year and those that are flying are down 90% or more. It is a disaster for the industry and it will take quite some time to get things going again, even if all restrictions are cancelled tomorrow.
“Trust the Experts”?
I don’t trust anybody when it comes to opinion and speculation, which is all even the “experts” seem to be offering in these times. Dr. Fauci has been a text-book example of an incompetent “expert”, constantly flip-flopping on central issues and pandering to social ideologies while neglecting ethical ones and even ignoring scientific fact.
Will the vax stop all the covid lies? You know the answer is no.
If it really were a truth serum, I would take it. Just to shut these bloody liars lying.
A high proportion of patients caught COVID-19 infection in the hospital setting.
In the UK, they die of NHS.
It’s the tests and the cures that kills yer.
Or, as was previously known by scientists since Nixon’s War on Cancer, it’s the rats that gove you cancer, and government that pays yer.