Get new voters.
Federal vote intention by place of birth:
Born in Canada: LPC 35, CPC 32, NDP 17
Born outside Canada: LPC 54, CPC 27, NDP 11https://t.co/MetzTlmoXv#cdnpoli— David Coletto (@DavidColetto) May 21, 2020
Get new voters.
Federal vote intention by place of birth:
Born in Canada: LPC 35, CPC 32, NDP 17
Born outside Canada: LPC 54, CPC 27, NDP 11https://t.co/MetzTlmoXv#cdnpoli— David Coletto (@DavidColetto) May 21, 2020
Well another item to file in the “No Sh*t, Sherlock!” file.
Anyone who didn’t know this is either brain dead or a complete Liberal moron!
Having been around when Pierre introduced multiculturalism the intent was evident from day one. Tammany Hall reprised was the model.
Those proportions weren’t reflected in the last election. What’s changed? Maybe the Liberals’ stellar response to C19.
…or maybe those “newcomers” are accustomed to lying to strangers who ask them official-sounding questions.
“MAYBE”?????
Stop whining, start selling. You don’t get to say no to immigration.
*Amusingly it appears that the CPC is no less rejected by either set of voters than the Liberals.
Yes to unfettered, unlimited immigration.
The LPC must wake up every morning with glee that the average citizen of Canada is so fundamentally incurious and pliable to media they passively consume, so as to enthusiastically vote for their own demise.
Wexit is our only hope.
Open borders = LIBERAL POWER!
Look at California folks, was Republican in the 80’s and is now solidly Democrat.
Chip away day by day, drip drip, Liberal$ have been playing the long game for years with immigrants and now are in a majority position.
We are officially a UN post-national state.
“Look at California folks, was Republican in the 80’s and is now solidly Democrat.”
During the same period of time with similar immigration profile Texas moved to the right. More immigration is actually correlated with less welfarism and more open markets. It’s the fault of immigrants that the Cali GOP went insane and supported prop 187 and then foolishly went all in on it. And then spent the next couple of decades nominating a fairly bad celebrity governor and otherwise destroying itself. The more you fight immigration, the more it will hurt you. Don’t fight.
Same argument time after time from you dude.
Yes, never push back on open borders right?
It’s racist right?
This has worked really well for Liberals to date, but really has no basis in fact, just more liberal thuggery.
Is your position that bringing in a massive number of poor, low skill refugees and illegal immigrants and adding these expenses to the taxpayer to pay for somehow helps?
California is an absolutely unsustainable mess.
Open borders and immigration is all about expanding LIBERAL POWER!!
“Yes, never push back on open borders right?
It’s racist right?”
It seems to always boil down to economic illiteracy and wide-eyed fears of brown people.
“Is your position that bringing in a massive number of poor, low skill refugees and illegal immigrants and adding these expenses to the taxpayer to pay for somehow helps?”
Yes it’s clear that it’s great for economic growth and might be the only damn thing that can rein in the welfare state at the moment.
“California is an absolutely unsustainable mess.”
For reasons that have nothing to do with immigration.
Nope, bringing in poor and unskilled illegal immigrants (And their old parents) brings economies down. No benefits whatsoever, and adds to welfare and administration costs, wtf are you talking about, pick up a book..
“Nope, bringing in poor and unskilled illegal immigrants (And their old parents) brings economies down.”
Wrong. The entire history of the world demonstrates that this is wrong. We have had nothing but benefits from immigration.
“adds to welfare and administration costs”
Once again, exactly wrong. Welfarism grows the most in jurisdictions with less immigration when they have less immigration.
California is 36.6% white
Texas is 41.1% white
As a state becomes less white the more likely they are to vote Democrat. Texas will likely become permanently blue by 2024 or 2028.
Even the Sailor strategy can’t solve things once whites are outnumbered 3-1.
“As a state becomes less white the more likely they are to vote Democrat. ”
1) So what?
2) If that’s even true, it’s only because the GOP has become the party of white nationalists like Steve Sailor and his fellow trash. Stop attacking immigration and it will stop hurting you.
Unme talks like a Tankie. Therefore, he is a Tankie.
You say “So what?” to non-whites voting as a block. You say any white that votes as a block is “trash”. Your only political principle is hatred of whites.
(Stop attacking immigration and it will stop hurting you.) ha
600 people killed and still counting during 2 days of Ramadan.
You need to listen carefully to approved Islamic Koran verses so you can keep your ears.
Sorry;
My mistake over Ramadan numbers. 3 weeks not 2 days.
‘Battle of Ramadan’: Jihadis Kill 584, Injure 587 in Three Weeks of Holy Month
Prop 187 was overwhelmingly supported by the voters. Two thirds of Latino citizens (read legal voters, not the illegal aliens voting now) supported it. It was unconstitutionally overturned by the courts, against the will of the people, who have the absolute right, under the Constitution, to pass such a state constitution amendment.
In fact, the very first words of the U.S. Constitution are: “We, the People of the United States, in Order to … secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
We the people of the United States establish this Constitution. We the people of the United States, not we the people of the world. For ourselves and our posterity, not for ourselves and all those who may migrate here in the future.
The immigrants who made America great in the nineteenth century became Americans as soon as they set foot on American soil, before any official ceremonies to confirm the fact. I cannot tell you what joy there was in my heart when the President Cleveland liner passed under the Golden Gate Bridge. We stood in awe on the deck as we passed from the Pacific Ocean into the San Francisco Bay. I am eternally grateful that the U.S. had allowed me to become one of them, nay us. I can only repay by becoming as supportive of the Republic as I can, and supporting the Constitution which is the foundation of her greatness and uniqueness.
Not so the (mostly illegally here) demonstrators against Prop 187. They had a long parade of cars and trucks, carrying oceans of Mexican national flags. They only want to be here to bleed us of our wealth and support, but have no desire to ever becoming one of us. They only helped to cinch the passing of Prop 187. That was so then, and it is so now.
Prop 187 was 26 years ago. We lost California since then because the repressive laws against business and property have driven away a good portion of productive businesses, and with them, productive workers. Instead, we have half of the illegal aliens in the country, all of whom are unconstitutionally counted in House apportionment. And they are allowed to unconstitutionally vote. We have half of the homeless who flock here for the freebies, as in San Francisco which hands out free needles. Of course they vote for those who hand out the freebies. So the ideologues in the Silicon Valley have turned California into their ideal Brave New World. We have a few alphas (themselves) on top, supported by some betas, and millions and millions of deltas and epsilons. The average American citizen is treated like a gamma, and has preciously little to say about his fate. Let me tell you, middle America is much, much closer to America at the time of the Revolution than California
I don’t know anything about how how laws are decided in Canada, vis a vis a Constitution, at least not compared to other posters here, and I don’t comment on those issues. You don’t know shit about the U.S., and should remember the adage about opening your mouth and proving you are an idiot.
“Prop 187 was overwhelmingly supported by the voters.”
And hated in practice. Stated preference vs revealed preference. Voters took out the difference on the Cali GOP and the same happened to the Democrats during the Obama reign, where voters like Obama more than his policies and took the difference out on Dems.
“They only want to be here to bleed us of our wealth and support, but have no desire to ever becoming one of us. They only helped to cinch the passing of Prop 187. That was so then, and it is so now.”
“middle America is much, much closer to America at the time of the Revolution than California”
LOL. “Middle America” is a bunch of geriatric permanently dyspeptic boomers who just need to lay down die already.
The racist take is noted and dismissed.
un Dork, how long have you been too stupid to grasp that you are wrong, you are a low IQ idiot, who is on the wrong side about 95% of the time. this covid 19 is a prime example of the fact your open borders shit is and always has been wrong. I know quite a few immigrants like myself who disagree with uncontrolled open borders, as that destroys, economies, culture and health care systems, never mind standards of living and technology. Some of my liberal friends think TurD’oh is a great leader, and get offended when I point out the fact he is a low IQ fool, just like you are.
Great post, old Bruin.
Note to Fearless Leader. The Ramadan count at Geller Report is 3003 killed, 1377 wounded so far. The good news is they are primarily Muslim killing Muslim.
Amazing even in the face of a pandemic the left still attack Trump.
Hogwash. Texas didn’t become Republican State because of “immigration”…at least not how most people define immigration.
You’re playing fast and loose with the facts. Now if you want to talk about people migrating into Texas by the thousands to escape oppressive tax/ spend policies, welfarism and suffocating regulatory control by Democrats in other regions you’d be correct, all of which had nothing to do with your Texas immigration/ free market hypothesis.
Thanks to Karl Rove welfare reform became a hot button issue in ’94 as most dyed in the wool Texas Democrats became fed up with their party favoring those policies of paying people not to work, just to use one example. Hence a huge party member shift to the other side.
Interesting to note as well, that your average Texas Democrat voter in the 80’s would make Canadian Conservatives look like Marxists. Party loyalty will only take you so far till people have had enough.
Do better.
” your average Texas Democrat voter in the 80’s would make Canadian Conservatives look like Marxists.”
And that’s how smart folk like me know to ignore people like you. How am I supposed to take you seriously when you make nonsense statements like that?
LOL…too funny. Smarts folks like you eh? You never did tell us where you got your medical degree from.
But I do know what you are…you’re a sh*t filled twinkie.
That’s what you are friendo.
Sure are a lot of stupid people in CA, no offense Kenji.
Imagine their surprise on the day this liberal government runs out of other people’s money and has to tell their supporters that there is no more funding.
That should go over well.
Then we’ll get a Conservative victory like 1984.
It’ll probably unfold about as successfully.
Yep. Alberta needs to separate and bring in a very small government based on liberty and very limited welfare scams.
Dream on. Kenney and Notley have a globalist tag team going on. These absurdly high immigration levels are Kenney’s fault. The idiot thought they would vote Conservative.
There is nothing about these immigration rates that is ‘high’ historically speaking. It’s actually pretty anemic as %pop.
313K in 2019. Call it 1%.
Without actually digging, I’m guessing that migration skews heavily to TO, Mon, and Van.
It was almost 5% just before WW1. It is agonizing to ponder what we’ve lost by not keeping that high.
English Language Culture needs to allow the Republic du Quebec to become the Republic du Quebec it has wanted since 1759 and has actually achieved: through the OttaQuebec collusion of the PCO. plethora of Quebec born Prime Ministers; the N.G.P.P. Except to do it on Their Own Dime– not the Tax-Funding of the English Language Culture R.O.C.
R.O.C. to become the ___ Republic Of Canada ___ not the sneering Rest Of Canada; as pronounced in the bery vest Ottawa/Trawna Twang.
McCallion,
Easterners ought to advocate for Quebec separation. Think of the advantages and money saved. The language barrier and translation costs would be eliminated from everywhere it is a burden. No more Quebec Prime Ministers bossing everyone around, the Bloc Québécois would stay home — no new Federal Pensions to pay. It’s a new world. They’re not your friends.
I was born there. Glad to be gone since 1970s.
Oh, yes, we can no longer afford them, look what they’re doing to Alberta and to a certain extent, the West, in general. They’re so afraid of Canadians earning a living that they sold us out to China.
Polls are rigged imo
upvote and 100% correct. Push polls have been around for decades and of course just polling those who give you the answers they want is also SOP.
I can see how the liberals enjoy such poll results.
Just check out this shining example of intelligence from the liberal front bench.
https://youtu.be/M87peilmRYI
A balkanised country is easy for parties to run with policies like this.
If everything collapses, no matter, because no one was truly invested in Canada anyway.
Well ! __English Language Culture Canadians We are now have something to talk about which we are in advance of having any Honest & Truthful information Censored by the Users – Self -Interest Media__ &__ snidely hiding behind the False Narrative of Freedom of The Press.
English Language Tax-Payer subsidized C. B. C. has rarely if ever been concerned about Honest Reporting, especially since the Privy Council Office installed Their first Bureaucracy Prime Minister Lester B.Pearson.
Naturally the politically aware English Language Culture Citizens threw the ‘Click Heels’ P.M. Puppet out of his anticipated sinecure and the E.L.C. Put the first and only Non – Franco or Anglo ancestry Prime Minister John Diefenbaker as Prime Minister. His Administration won the Largest number of M. P.s in Canadian History. Passed the very First Law of Sovereignty for the Ordinary Average Person in the English Language Cuture and in the French Language Culture.
This is when the Frightened self-serving Bureaucracy realized the World War Two enlarged number of Ottawa Bureaucrats would not remain and the Bureaucrat’s Children would not be guaranteed to have a High Pay Career salary and might even have to compete for the positions remaining.
I believe it was around this time when the arrangements between the: ___ N.G.P.P. [self-proclaimed Natural Government Political Party – Liberals] ___ the P.C.O. [Privy Council Office] and the Federal Government’s Bureaucracy took control of the Tax-Payer subsidized CBC and Radio du Canada became the {now proven} collusive force in the governance agenda(s) of Canada.
So our American English Language Culture Friends who left the Dictatorships and S— H—- of the world and immigrated legally into the once Freedom of Speech Countries of North America. Canada lost Freedom of Press and Freedom of Speech over Sixty Years ago. Welcome to Orwell’s ___ 1984 ___ World.
The deepening misinformation in Canada’s also began Fifty Plus Years ago when the Canadian Publishing Companies learned if they wanted to sell Books it needed to be about “proper culture” — read politically correct –. If any of the private Television were allowed to use the Canadian Airwaves the it must have approval of the Privy Council Office controlled process: ____Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications … – CRTC. ____ Sooo ? Y’all say. — The Telecommunications part of the CRTC means if the __[Big ‘Event – Not Tent ] aspect of discussion on Politics continues with smooth sailing. ___ There has either been a lot of ‘Lobbying Grease’ or “Wink & Nod” between the Telecommunications [ Big Event ] Advertising Groups.
When you don’t have a real conservative party, Which in my lifetime we never have had one, you get commies. I go back to Def the thief.
I still can’t believe that double digits of ANYBODY would vote for the Liberals.
I blame your Christian pacifism. Your Christian rejection of violence against the enemies who are hell bent on your destruction paralyses your will and suppresses your survival instincts. And then you drag everyone else with you into grave. At least Muslims do something. You, Christians, only whine and moan on the Internet.
They silence you by labeling you racist, and all you do is try to convince them that you are not racist. Be racist, once in your lifetime! Stand up for your lives! There is no God. There never was Christ. You and only you can save your lives and the lives of your children and grandchildren before the brown deluge drowns you. Throw the shackles of faith off, stand up, and fight!
I had aN automated call from a pollster Asking who I’d vote for. I pushed 1 for Liberal.
I’d like to see an election this year.
It is the school curriculum too, and museums. We learned a lot of Canadian and British history as early boomers schooled in Alberta. I’ll bet that no immigrant kid learns any degree of history about who actually developed this country into a modern, democratic society. Oops, a modern now pseudo democratic post-national country.
My grandfather’s ranch near Fort McLeod used to have his photo displayed in the Fort Mc museum. He was born in Ontario in 1864, but took up a free land grant in Southern Alberta. All that pioneer history was replaced by 1998 with “First Nations” history. My NWMP great uncle’s diary is in the Glenbow museum. They do preserve our heritage, for now.
My Internationally and Ontario-schooled children do not know much, and their children will probably know nothing about their heritage. But, I will gift them my books about their roots. The immigrants will continue to know nothing. When you have the Mayor of Victoria desecrating a statue of John A. McDonald, you know that our real history is lost. Yes McDonald was a rake, perhaps not much of an outlier for his time, but he and the 3 others did create a country.
If Alberta and Saskatchewan do a Wexit, please take B.C. I would move back to Alberta, except for the terrible weather.
You should have talked to your children instead of drinking at the pub or sunbathing in Florida. I do, and they are as ultra-right as it can get. In a good sense. No swastika tattoos, just freedom and prosperity ideology.
I moved back to Alberta from the Lower Mainland, once I realized that the “nice” (i.e, not freezing most of the winter) weather was about the only positive thing B.C.’s Lower Rainland™ really had to offer. The last four winters I was there we had snow on the ground, sometimes for months on end. I woke up one day and said “I moved to get away from this — what the Hell am I still doing here?”
If “the terrible weather” is the only thing keeping you away from Alberta, your priorities are mixed up big time (I speak as one who knows about mixed-up priorities). And B.C. will never engage in a Wexit — they’re too beholden to the small-L liberals infesting the coast.
Hah! Ted Cruz left Calgary and Texas got him. Sorry.
To paraphrase something that Bill Whittle said a while ago, the government is bringing in foreigners to do the work that Canadians won’t: vote Liberal.
There is no such thing as a labour shortage, only a pay shortage. Somewhere in my past I have an economics major or minor or something like that.
Whittle’s point was that those immigrants are expected to vote for progressive candidates and parties, something that citizens might not automatically do. In the context in which he said it, he was referring to the Dimocrats being the party of choice.
“There is no such thing as a labour shortage”
Yes there is. If you have to raise wages, there’s a labor shortage.
If you don’t want immigrants to vote for progs, don’t push them into doing it.
I was about to say … great – now do USA. But of course the commentariat here already got there, more or less.
The real trick though, is getting it through to the long time Liberal voters (both here & USA) what it really means: liberal politicians are much more interested in new, identifiable voting blocks that can be swayed with bushels of money. So long time liberals .. your concerns & interests go to the back of the line, because your vote is already assumed. Get used to being second-class citizens in your own party.
Foreign born legal immigrants are more (socially) conservative than Canadian born. Conservatives have to ask themselves why people who are more socially conservative vote for Liberals instead of Conservatives.
Easy: because imports see Libranos as a tool to destroy the Western World.
Thanks for the lunatic take. It will be noted and dismissed.
hey Rizball, try talking to some actual new immigrants before sounding stupid like unDork, My across the road neighbour, who was a Sikh said that liberals buy off the leaders who then con the rest how to vote. That happens in more than just one demographic. So quit your bullshitting already, I know a lot of immigrants , new and older, and hear the same story ,over and over
I could see Ponyboy converting.
Inshalla.
Harper run the largest per capita immigration program in the world. Worked out great didn’t it? Five minutes after they landed, all those imported turd worlders forgot about gratitude, turned around and voted Librano. You get free shit while destroying the Western World and building a mini version of the shithole that you came from. What could possibly go wrong?
Diversity is white genocide.
The ultimate irony is that soon after they will be killing each other.
// Diversity is white genocide //
The Maple Leaf Forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxOhk4Lk9aE&list=TLPQMjEwNTIwMjBu8KzcbL6tVA
But that song wouldn’t include you, would it?
No not anymore, guess what, this song does not include me either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb55teb1gJ0 and that is from our state broadcaster.
Also does not include them: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/white-south-african-familys-refugee-bid-rejected-allegedly-boosted-case-with-white-supremacist-information
“Worked out great didn’t it? Five minutes after they landed, all those imported turd worlders forgot about gratitude, turned around and voted Librano. ”
So they did assimilate after all.
“Diversity is white genocide.”
No it’s not you’re just being a snowflake. Better learn to deal with diversity, sugar tits, it’s a diverse world. We won.
Yawn, keep toasting your success from the golden chamber pot of civilization. Low IQ savage.
I have a graduate science degree. I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know. Losers like you are losers because of your loser choices and loser values. Stop blaming brown people.
Ah, so Broom Closet Photocopier University did make some money off you after all…..
B. I always love it when baizuo ends his argument with “I have an MS degree”. It is especially ironic that in this thread alone there are three PhDs who have less than positive opinion about him.
Two of the PhDs he accused in this thread of racism. One of the two is an ethnic Chinese, the other repeatedly argued for Ottawa to offer asylum to HK dissidents.
Two of the PhDs are immigrants.
None of the PhDs here has used “I have a PhD so you shut up” argument… guess one needs more than two semesters of graduate school for that.
unDork, so you think wall paper signifys you are smart, try an schtick you low IQ’r. It’s funny seeing you andf unColon arguing about you respective smarts, you are both idiot, as is Ooz. the three of you put together wouldn’t present a challenge worth while! Domkop
I think it is about time you were deleted from this site. I take great offence by your comments. Nasty!
I suspect most immigrants who aren’t Jihadis come here and try to fit in as best as possible. The problem is that the Trudeau dynasty including Chretien purged as much (Anglo) Canadian culture and history as they could to appease their Quebec constituency, embracing first the nullity of multiculturalism and continuing with more post modern nihilism to where today’s immigrants perhaps think that being a “good” Canadian means to stand for the nullity of the LPC, complete with its identity politics including non assimilation. It also explains why the preferred and government subsidized import are Muslims as they would hold little interest in the Judaeo / Christian cultural inheritance that the LPC hasn’t managed to erase.
What is strange is that immigration is now an entirely state run program where the government controls every aspect including a fake refugee status where the process is entirely socialized and this is automatonically defended by the resident faux libertarian.
“I suspect most immigrants who aren’t Jihadis come here and try to fit in as best as possible. ”
Of course they do. Fitting in, means:
1. Celebrating diversity which in turn means blaming whitey and demanding special treatment while glorifying shit culture they come from.
2. Voting librano and getting more handouts.
Last thirty years we have seen our freedoms disappear, our prosperity slowly fade away, our standard of living gradually deteriorating while turd worlders are celebrating.
And thus idiot millennials are the first generation in the history of the West that cannot count on a standard of living better than that of their parents. They no longer even aspire to a higher standard of living. they have been brainwashed to believe that a faster phone is higher standard of living.
Meanwhile barbarians are celebrating.
“Last thirty years we have seen our freedoms disappear, our prosperity slowly fade away, our standard of living gradually deteriorating”
Actually Canadians are richer than ever before. This is simple fact. To the extent that we have problems it’s most importantly because we have 1) state run healthcare 2) aren’t allowed to build more housing and 3) supply management
Racist snowflake tears truly are the most delicious and dependable.
Meanwhile barbarians are celebrating.
So is anyone with an iota of economic and moral sense. So are businessmen. So are various tech firms.
akecincgy – you forgot to add Calgary in that list of cities loaded with immigrants,
Didnt you hear the Call To Prayer that the Mosques are allowed to use because ” its Ramada dont you know??”
Meanwhile Christians were not allowed to go to Church on Good Friday or Easter Sunday nor are Churches allowed to ring bells – if they have any!
Oh Canada, the True North Strong and Free! What a BS line of words in that anthem!
When the voters reject you
Import new voters !
that is what liberals in Canada ( and democrats in the USA) have been doing for decades
it is a GIGANTIC scam.
Conservatives have been successful in getting the votes of “New Canadians”
Jason Kenney was Minister of Immigration and:
Jason Kenney says the origin story of the Conservative party’s immigrant vote strategy
goes back to an argument he had with Stephen Harper in the ’90s about “Pulp Fiction” in an Ottawa pub.
Alberta’s United Conservative Party leader shared the story during a Maclean’s event on Thursday
after host Paul Wells brought up Kenney’s nickname “minister for curry in a hurry.”
[…]
Their discussion about Quentin Tarantino then evolved into a debate about the future of the Conservative party.
Kenney said things became heated after he proposed to Harper that if Conservatives want to win government,
they would have to reach out to immigrant groups whose “natural values and aspirations” align with the party.
“And he disagreed with me passionately that night. He said,
‘Most of these communities are hardwired into the Liberal electoral coalition — you can’t undo 30 years of that political work.'”
[…]
He recalled being called into Harper’s office in the “early 2000s” when the new federal Conservative Party leader said,
‘Remember that debate we had eight years ago … I want you to prove me wrong.'”
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/25/jason-kenney-pulp-fiction-harper-ethnic-vote-conservatives_a_23443144/
Just when I thought Pulp Fiction could not get any better, it saves Canada.
Obviously people who were not born in Canada are more intelligent than Canadians born whites. That is why diversity is our strength!
Hay PeePee, yes as an immigrant I am smarter than you, and whiter also:-))) And have probably lived in Canada longer than you:-)))
I hope most people realize that these poll results are absurd bullcrap. If the libs thought for a minute that they were anywhere close to those numbers, they’d call an election in a heartbeat.
Just like the bull about the popular support for the gun grab, if they thought they had the support, it would have been dragged out for 18 months of lies and misleading CBC stories.
The message seems to be, come here and enjoy the many perks of our grand hotel — the latest of which is no fault emergency benefit cash, no questions asked (for a while anyway), and this may explain the sort of “so what” attitude of Liberals when asked about the widespread fraud involved (as reported by their own employees at CRA).
Any change of government within 1-2 years must address this entire issue. I am all for immigration if we get qualified and enthusiastic citizens who can contribute. I was such a person myself although blacklisted because back in the day (this is ironic) Liberals didn’t like immigrants. At least that was one of the reasons, I think inadequacy and poor personal standards of moral and ethical behaviour played a part — probably too complex for a discussion in public in this country. It will all come out eventually though. Maybe. Probably not.