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There a short video clip at The Burning Platform yesterday showing what appeared to be a muslim man at an upper level of the church. No verification just a brief clip.
owg,I just had a conversation with a guy originally from Holland , who travels to Europe every year, and is familiar with the construction work going on at Notre Dame. He stated that a lot of the construction workers at the church are Moroccans. That makes sense as here in Canada construction is one of the few jobs you can get with no real skills, starting as a laborer.
As our millenials don’t like to do “dirty” work, the French are undoubtedly of the same mentality, so on a construction site, you have lots of immigrants in the unskilled portion of the work force. And in France most of those immigrants are from the ME.
No it was not arson, it was ah erm …….careless smoking. yeah that’s the ticket.
Just read a report a few minutes ago blaming the fire on an electrical”short”. Electricians have told me that fire causing electrical shorts are a thing of the past as there are breaker switches in place. Any electricians here?
Must have been an issue with the 800 year old electrical wiring.
Where’s a Marinus van der Lubbe when you need ‘im?
I suspect the official report on the holy week Notre Dame inferno will simply state….
“Somebody did something.”
It was started by a monster.
We need a modern Van Helsing to address this monster problem.
That’s the question I was asking while the fire was still burning. What kind of investigation comes to a conclusion before the fire’s even out? Like the Hillary “investigation”?
All very accurate and important information that somehow eluded Shepherd Smith. But since Pamela Geller is the source, it will all be discounted.
Here is what my LOGICAL brain told me as soon as the fire began:
1. Heavy Timber structures do not easily catch fire, no matter how “old” and “dry”. And this structure was renowned for its use of a “forest” of old growth timbers … huge timbers. The scale is not that of your average one-story ranch home. So, an accelerant of some sort must have been used.
2. The Roof structure is the ONLY flammable part of this stone church.
3. The newly-erected scaffolding provided ACCESS to this combustible construction for the first time.
4. The FIRE started at the end of the work day – early evening, indeed, after all the workmen have left the site.
5. Where were the security guards? Were there any? I suspect not, as the French Govt. wouldn’t budget for it (like HER Benghazi debacle) for fear of implying suspicion that the fine Muslim population might get ideas.
6. The fire became so big, so fast, that firefighting access was severely limited – again, suggesting accelerant use.
Pam Geller’s information simply verifies all I intitially thought about this untimely, illogical, blaze. And her information is unimpeachable.
Arson seems very likely. So a big question is where were the security guards? Bought off? May be they were Muslims– just like all those airport security people.
If this was an example of Muslim terrorism, they have no choice but to try to hide that fact. Their immigration policies have released a monster and they have no idea how to control it. If people were told the truth — that there is a war against Christians (called Jihad), there would be chaos. I see no resolution to this problem without violence. You can only pretend the problem does not exist for so long. 800+ episodes of attacks on Christian churches in 2018 are hard to ignore.
I am a Pro-board certified Fire Investigator, I can give you the following opinion.
First, there is no way in hell you can determine the cause and origin in that time frame.
Second, if they are claiming it was or wasn’t arson, that is flat out a political decision.
Third ‘Arson’ is a very specific act/crime, usually to fraudulently gain insurance payouts, they may be weaseling by claiming no pay out, no arson.
I imagine they must ensure they get the insurance money, so the right words need to be spoken. Item two is to steer public opinion as to what really caused the fire. This is easily done by having someone dress up in ridiculously obvious Muslim garb and having him filmed, and then uploading it.
Thus, the Vatican gets to:
1) Rebuild what was literally falling apart and costing a fortune to hold together.
2) Build up public sympathy that lapses every time one of their clergy is caught in pedophilia.
3) Make a couple of their Luciferians look magnanimous by donating a Masonically-denominated donation amount to the rebuilding of the anti-biblical cathedral.
4) Divide the people by pitting them against Muslims.
All Jesuit theatre.
The only problem with your anti-Jesuit screed is that The French Govt. OWNS and operates the Cathedral …
But don’t let facts get in the way with your spittled tirade
And the Vatican owns the French government.
Nope, there is a secret society of the five wealthiest families, who meet tri-annually in a secret country mansion in Colorado known as “The Meadows”, known as The Pentaverate, who control everything, including the newspapers. Who is in The Pentaverate, you ask ?
The Queen, the Vatican, the Rothschilds, the Gettys, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.
Who toke over from the Colonel? Ronald McDonald?
The Jesuits put out a lot of disinformation to cloud everything involving secret societies into a fog of mystery. Some say it’s the Jews. Others, it’s the Rothschilds. Or the Illuminati, or the Templars, or…
But it’s the Vatican, and has always been the Vatican.
The Rothschilds are the bankers for the Vatican. “Rothschild” is simply German for Red Shield. The Romans had red shields. The Vatican sees itself as the extension of the Roman Empire. Hence “Holy Roman Empire”, Just instead of emperors, it is led by popes. The popes have always used the various kings of Europe as their puppets. If one got out of line and actually thought he was supreme, then the papacy would stir up another king to attack him and depose him. Or simply use the Catholics in that king’s territory to murder him.
The Illuminati was started by a Jesuit priest, Adam Weishaupt. The Jews are puppets dangled out in front for the public to see. If things get a little rough, the Catholics with the real power behind the scenes allow the people to take down one of their puppets. Much like Harvey Weinstein in Catholic-controlled Hollywood.
The Queen requires permission to even enter the sovereign territory of London from the Lord Mayor. She is wealthy, but has no real power. Her cape with the iron cross upon it displays who she serves, for those who have eyes to see.
Same with the French nobility who wear the Fleur de Lis.
I could go on forever, but facts sway few. Most have simply already made up their mind that they don’t want to believe what’s uncomfortable.
So just take your blue pill and go back to sleep, and speculate endlessly about whatever the puppet-masters have fed you in the mainstream media.
As Rosicrucian Francis Bacon once wrote under his pseudonym, “All the world’s a stage…”
How fortunate for the Vatican that all the relics and Luciferian statues were first removed prior to the fire.
And how lucky they were that the damage caused by the fire was confined to the parts of the cathedral that were in need of replacement, and not the foundation itself.
And how prescient they were to raise the alarm 23 minutes before the fire was detected.
The article’s quote from Auric Goldfinger, in the Ian Fleming novel, dryly observes to James Bond that “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”, seems to be very appropriate in this case.
It is as LindaL says above, “no resolution to this problem without violence”, and the longer the authorities try to hide what is happening the bloodier it will get. Or, France will just roll over and surrender. There is much precedence for surrender or waiting until it is too late.
Here’s a video of a Muslim looking guy on the church. I suspect timing on this video is everything. The video might not be at the time of the fire. In other words – without provenance and context this might be fake news.
Perhaps the French need a “Special Investigtor” to make a two-year-long Investigation into the cause of the conflagration?
Their own Deep State cannot be trusted to perform their duties without bias.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/notre-dame-hoax-timeline
A Timeline Of How The Notre Dame Fire Was Turned Into An Anti-Muslim Narrative
This is how disinformation spread from fringe message boards and social media to far-right websites and cable news.
Craig Silverman Jane Lytvynenko Posted on April 16, 2019
// (Note: Authorities have not released any definitive information about the cause of the fire, which means we still don’t know for sure what was responsible. This story shows how baseless and false claims sought to fill that information vacuum.) //
The article supplies a link that some people here might check before posting:
Oxford Internet Institute Junk news Aggregator. https://newsaggregator.oii.ox.ac.uk
Inspector Clouseau wasn’t just a movie star, he must be on the case….
Eh bien, ça arrive….. (Gallic shrug)
I am revising my theory. I thought the fire was deliberatdly caused by Muslims, as they have been involved in a multitude of attacks on Churches. Now I think it was a false flag– work of the globalists. The crime seems rather too complex to have been done by random Muslims. This video interview with the former retired architect provides some background: https://youtu.be/Y5QO5dP_NSk
A distinction without a difference. The globalists have done all in their power to prevent a solution to the Muslim problem, at least in the West.
(China is free to do what is necessary to stop jihad before it starts.)
Yes and no. I think Muslims are also the dupes of the globalists — they just to not realize it. Muslims may think they are doing Allah’s work, but once the one world totalitarian communist government is in place they too will have to knuckle under.
No, I think the mohammedans are a golem that the globalists have animated and it may wind up turning on them.
Given the hundreds of attacks on churches in France, and the burning of the 2nd largest church already this year, and the quick insistence that this was not arson (before any investigation) I would put my money on The Usual Suspects.
But in the fine tradition of “never let a crisis go to waste” and the burning of another national icon back in Germany quite a few decades ago, may I float a cynical prediction?
Macron may find a way to pin this on Yellow Vesters. By painting them as the perps, rather than the hordes he allows to remain in France, he portrays the vesters as attackers of all that is French, and himself as the true defender of the heart of France….when he persecutes them.
Just my idle speculation….
Lack of evidence = evidence
Maybe you should become a detective.
Lack of investigation => lack of evidence B====D can you extrapolate from there?
Maybe you should stop pretending being a scientist?
There a short video clip at The Burning Platform yesterday showing what appeared to be a muslim man at an upper level of the church. No verification just a brief clip.
owg,I just had a conversation with a guy originally from Holland , who travels to Europe every year, and is familiar with the construction work going on at Notre Dame. He stated that a lot of the construction workers at the church are Moroccans. That makes sense as here in Canada construction is one of the few jobs you can get with no real skills, starting as a laborer.
As our millenials don’t like to do “dirty” work, the French are undoubtedly of the same mentality, so on a construction site, you have lots of immigrants in the unskilled portion of the work force. And in France most of those immigrants are from the ME.
No it was not arson, it was ah erm …….careless smoking. yeah that’s the ticket.
Just read a report a few minutes ago blaming the fire on an electrical”short”. Electricians have told me that fire causing electrical shorts are a thing of the past as there are breaker switches in place. Any electricians here?
Must have been an issue with the 800 year old electrical wiring.
Where’s a Marinus van der Lubbe when you need ‘im?
I suspect the official report on the holy week Notre Dame inferno will simply state….
“Somebody did something.”
It was started by a monster.
We need a modern Van Helsing to address this monster problem.
Similarly, but more completely, Mark Steyn:
https://www.steynonline.com/9307/fire-and-faith
That’s the question I was asking while the fire was still burning. What kind of investigation comes to a conclusion before the fire’s even out? Like the Hillary “investigation”?
Fake news, more often than not, is omission.
From Pamela Geller
https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-whatwe-know.html/
All very accurate and important information that somehow eluded Shepherd Smith. But since Pamela Geller is the source, it will all be discounted.
Here is what my LOGICAL brain told me as soon as the fire began:
1. Heavy Timber structures do not easily catch fire, no matter how “old” and “dry”. And this structure was renowned for its use of a “forest” of old growth timbers … huge timbers. The scale is not that of your average one-story ranch home. So, an accelerant of some sort must have been used.
2. The Roof structure is the ONLY flammable part of this stone church.
3. The newly-erected scaffolding provided ACCESS to this combustible construction for the first time.
4. The FIRE started at the end of the work day – early evening, indeed, after all the workmen have left the site.
5. Where were the security guards? Were there any? I suspect not, as the French Govt. wouldn’t budget for it (like HER Benghazi debacle) for fear of implying suspicion that the fine Muslim population might get ideas.
6. The fire became so big, so fast, that firefighting access was severely limited – again, suggesting accelerant use.
Pam Geller’s information simply verifies all I intitially thought about this untimely, illogical, blaze. And her information is unimpeachable.
Arson seems very likely. So a big question is where were the security guards? Bought off? May be they were Muslims– just like all those airport security people.
If this was an example of Muslim terrorism, they have no choice but to try to hide that fact. Their immigration policies have released a monster and they have no idea how to control it. If people were told the truth — that there is a war against Christians (called Jihad), there would be chaos. I see no resolution to this problem without violence. You can only pretend the problem does not exist for so long. 800+ episodes of attacks on Christian churches in 2018 are hard to ignore.
I am a Pro-board certified Fire Investigator, I can give you the following opinion.
First, there is no way in hell you can determine the cause and origin in that time frame.
Second, if they are claiming it was or wasn’t arson, that is flat out a political decision.
Third ‘Arson’ is a very specific act/crime, usually to fraudulently gain insurance payouts, they may be weaseling by claiming no pay out, no arson.
I imagine they must ensure they get the insurance money, so the right words need to be spoken. Item two is to steer public opinion as to what really caused the fire. This is easily done by having someone dress up in ridiculously obvious Muslim garb and having him filmed, and then uploading it.
Thus, the Vatican gets to:
1) Rebuild what was literally falling apart and costing a fortune to hold together.
2) Build up public sympathy that lapses every time one of their clergy is caught in pedophilia.
3) Make a couple of their Luciferians look magnanimous by donating a Masonically-denominated donation amount to the rebuilding of the anti-biblical cathedral.
4) Divide the people by pitting them against Muslims.
All Jesuit theatre.
The only problem with your anti-Jesuit screed is that The French Govt. OWNS and operates the Cathedral …
https://www.thisisinsider.com/notre-dame-was-crumbling-before-fire-works-obstructed-by-french-govt-2019-4
But don’t let facts get in the way with your spittled tirade
And the Vatican owns the French government.
Nope, there is a secret society of the five wealthiest families, who meet tri-annually in a secret country mansion in Colorado known as “The Meadows”, known as The Pentaverate, who control everything, including the newspapers. Who is in The Pentaverate, you ask ?
The Queen, the Vatican, the Rothschilds, the Gettys, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.
Who toke over from the Colonel? Ronald McDonald?
The Jesuits put out a lot of disinformation to cloud everything involving secret societies into a fog of mystery. Some say it’s the Jews. Others, it’s the Rothschilds. Or the Illuminati, or the Templars, or…
But it’s the Vatican, and has always been the Vatican.
The Rothschilds are the bankers for the Vatican. “Rothschild” is simply German for Red Shield. The Romans had red shields. The Vatican sees itself as the extension of the Roman Empire. Hence “Holy Roman Empire”, Just instead of emperors, it is led by popes. The popes have always used the various kings of Europe as their puppets. If one got out of line and actually thought he was supreme, then the papacy would stir up another king to attack him and depose him. Or simply use the Catholics in that king’s territory to murder him.
The Illuminati was started by a Jesuit priest, Adam Weishaupt. The Jews are puppets dangled out in front for the public to see. If things get a little rough, the Catholics with the real power behind the scenes allow the people to take down one of their puppets. Much like Harvey Weinstein in Catholic-controlled Hollywood.
The Queen requires permission to even enter the sovereign territory of London from the Lord Mayor. She is wealthy, but has no real power. Her cape with the iron cross upon it displays who she serves, for those who have eyes to see.
Same with the French nobility who wear the Fleur de Lis.
I could go on forever, but facts sway few. Most have simply already made up their mind that they don’t want to believe what’s uncomfortable.
So just take your blue pill and go back to sleep, and speculate endlessly about whatever the puppet-masters have fed you in the mainstream media.
As Rosicrucian Francis Bacon once wrote under his pseudonym, “All the world’s a stage…”
How fortunate for the Vatican that all the relics and Luciferian statues were first removed prior to the fire.
And how lucky they were that the damage caused by the fire was confined to the parts of the cathedral that were in need of replacement, and not the foundation itself.
And how prescient they were to raise the alarm 23 minutes before the fire was detected.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/paris-notre-dame-fire-extinguished-revealing-massive-damage-to-the-800-year-old-landmark-situation-still-precarious
The article’s quote from Auric Goldfinger, in the Ian Fleming novel, dryly observes to James Bond that “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”, seems to be very appropriate in this case.
It is as LindaL says above, “no resolution to this problem without violence”, and the longer the authorities try to hide what is happening the bloodier it will get. Or, France will just roll over and surrender. There is much precedence for surrender or waiting until it is too late.
Here’s a video of a Muslim looking guy on the church. I suspect timing on this video is everything. The video might not be at the time of the fire. In other words – without provenance and context this might be fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEMwPvDqDAY
Perhaps the French need a “Special Investigtor” to make a two-year-long Investigation into the cause of the conflagration?
Their own Deep State cannot be trusted to perform their duties without bias.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/notre-dame-hoax-timeline
A Timeline Of How The Notre Dame Fire Was Turned Into An Anti-Muslim Narrative
This is how disinformation spread from fringe message boards and social media to far-right websites and cable news.
Craig Silverman Jane Lytvynenko Posted on April 16, 2019
// (Note: Authorities have not released any definitive information about the cause of the fire, which means we still don’t know for sure what was responsible. This story shows how baseless and false claims sought to fill that information vacuum.) //
The article supplies a link that some people here might check before posting:
Oxford Internet Institute Junk news Aggregator. https://newsaggregator.oii.ox.ac.uk
Inspector Clouseau wasn’t just a movie star, he must be on the case….
Eh bien, ça arrive….. (Gallic shrug)
I am revising my theory. I thought the fire was deliberatdly caused by Muslims, as they have been involved in a multitude of attacks on Churches. Now I think it was a false flag– work of the globalists. The crime seems rather too complex to have been done by random Muslims. This video interview with the former retired architect provides some background:
https://youtu.be/Y5QO5dP_NSk
A distinction without a difference. The globalists have done all in their power to prevent a solution to the Muslim problem, at least in the West.
(China is free to do what is necessary to stop jihad before it starts.)
Yes and no. I think Muslims are also the dupes of the globalists — they just to not realize it. Muslims may think they are doing Allah’s work, but once the one world totalitarian communist government is in place they too will have to knuckle under.
No, I think the mohammedans are a golem that the globalists have animated and it may wind up turning on them.
Given the hundreds of attacks on churches in France, and the burning of the 2nd largest church already this year, and the quick insistence that this was not arson (before any investigation) I would put my money on The Usual Suspects.
But in the fine tradition of “never let a crisis go to waste” and the burning of another national icon back in Germany quite a few decades ago, may I float a cynical prediction?
Macron may find a way to pin this on Yellow Vesters. By painting them as the perps, rather than the hordes he allows to remain in France, he portrays the vesters as attackers of all that is French, and himself as the true defender of the heart of France….when he persecutes them.
Just my idle speculation….
Lack of evidence = evidence
Maybe you should become a detective.
Lack of investigation => lack of evidence B====D can you extrapolate from there?
Maybe you should stop pretending being a scientist?