45 Replies to “The same mistakes”

  1. But there’s money to be made…
    So now the smoke that cost you $20 today will cost you $60 tomorrow.
    And be of lower quality.

  2. Thing is, I think MJ is much easier to grow on your own than booze is to make on your own.
    Ontario is the statist lodestar of Canada. Quebec maybe used to be but not anymore. Q is more fiscally responsible and has surprisingly good liquor laws or so I hear.

  3. Alberta dumped our government owned liquor stores and nobody noticed. The place hasn’t gone to hell. It took an NDP government to accomplish that. I suspect it is less likely that serving underage people would take place at private stores. Losing a liquor license would easily have a cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, a great disincentive.

  4. “I suspect it is less likely that serving underage people would take place at private stores.”
    Exactly. When Saskatchewan finally gravitated into the 21st century and permitted private liquor stores, albeit on a limited basis, the outcry from the usual culprits was deafening. Of course the most noise came from the government union crowd and the Tommy Douglas worshippers. Privatization of liquor sales could only result in an epidemic of drunk driving, underage drinking, alcoholism and, of course, loss of government control. Or so we were all told. I’m still waiting for the booze apocalypse that would overwhelm the province if the dreaded private enterprise ever got involved.

  5. I find it absolutely amazing that the same lefties that are so set against smoking tobacco or e-cigs are so determined that anyone can light up a joint whenever they want.
    A responsible gov’t would be actually solving problems like deficit spending, shitty healthcare, terrorism, etc, etc and not encouraging people to smoke dope to escape reality.
    But it has been decades since we’ve had responsible gov’t, hell have we ever had it?

  6. “I suspect it is less likely that serving underage people would take place at private stores.”
    Exactly. When Saskatchewan finally gravitated into the 21st century and allowed private enterprise into the liquor sales business, albeit on a limited basis, the outcry from the usual crowd was deafening. Of course, the most noise came from the big government unions and the Tommy Douglas fan club. This could only result in an epidemic of drunk driving, underage drinking, spousal abuse, rampant alcoholism and a dramatic decrease in government revenue. Or so we were told. I’m still waiting for the booze apocalypse that was inevitable if provincial liquor sales were privatized.

  7. Well … you Canadians DO allow the government to dispense your medical treatment … and we all “know” how “medicinal” marijuana is … so this is quite consistent Federal policy

  8. If this was about the stated cause of legalization, the issues around how well restrictions have worked using a government operation are worth discussion….but its not about legalization.
    This is about the government having a monopoly over the recreational drug use market.
    Just like organized crime.

  10. This was never going to go any other way, boys and girls. The Ontario government is going to maximize their income from weed. They are going to tax the hell out of it, and they are going to control and tax all levels of its growth, manufacture and retail distribution.
    Otherwise known as a land grab. They’re keeping all the profit for themselves, and letting the private sector do all the work.
    As far as Liberals are concerned, no money exists in Canada that is not theirs by right. None of this was ever about safety, or under age kids, or driving stoned. None of it. This is all about the money, and about Liberals giving out the retail licenses to their friends. Whoever gets the weed franchise in your town has a golden goose. That golden goose will be given to some loyal bag man.

  12. Government greed and obsession with control trumps government ability to maximize revenue. Just like Washington State and Colorado, Ontario will drive (actually keep) much of the market underground where anyone can grow the stuff inexpensively and away from the nanny-state do-gooders. Ironically, many of the dopers who enjoy the freedom to kill brain cells persist in voting for the leftists who hate freedom but enjoy political power through populist leaning like silly smoke legalization. Too many conservatives feign affinity for freedom while supporting the nanny state in their opposition to such. It’s much like the paradox of people who value freedom running for office to shrink, kill, and otherwise remove government from our lives against pretenders who buy votes with stolen loot and run on their “management abilities” to oversee and inevitably grow leviathan. Politics on all sides is littered with the later.

  13. You have described the reason for this quite well Deplorable’
    I will emphasize one factor; The Liberal Grab of another Government Revenue Source Control will open up Many more opportunities for Liberal Party Crony(s) insiders to place their Minions into secure Payment Jobs.
    Which will increase both Liberal (proven) corrupt donations and sign poster put-up minions.

  14. Second last sentence in the TorStar article:
    “It can only be delivered directly to patients’ doors by Canada Post or a courier.”
    And Ontario law will apply to the newly sprouting businesses in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba?
    https://ganjaexpress.ca
    https://www.momcanada.ca/ontario.php
    http://www.marijuanalaws.ca/mailing-shipping.html
    https://cannabismo.ca
    https://stressfreedelivery.ca/mail-order-marijuana-canada/
    http://buyweedonline.ca/ontario/#.WbLF8a0ZN-U
    https://www.thcdelivery.ca
    https://www.cannabiscare.ca
    https://stashclub.ca/mail-order-marijuana-canada-ontario-2/ “curated online dispensary” 😉
    I worked for the past 2 years with people that would routinely (weekly) order their bud by messaging people by phone, from work, on company time, and pay online via PayPal, and when they arrive home, there will be a package in their mailbox, or between the screendoor and their main door, the order they had requested. Some folks would prefer to pay by cash, and have the delivery scheduled for 5 pm just as they were getting out of the shower (hey we’re plumbers, that’s our time schedule).
    None of these people ever said they had a problem with the service.
    There are thousands of results similar to the ones I’ve linked above.
    I have no horse in this race, I simply don’t care, aside from what Lance has stated above, that if this is going to be legal (aside from “driving while baked”) then why is the government involved?
    *will non union grown and delivered pot be available?
    While typing this, the thought occurred to me, do the Indian Bands that border Ontario / USA mail or courier deliver their cigarette products?
    Why not? They’re certainly capable.
    and again, I don’t care if these guys supply the entire nation of Canada.
    Don’t_care_at_all.
    nada.

  15. Whenever I hear some political whore like Wynne crow about “protecting the children”,which probably plays well to the reefer madness generation,I have to,as they say,LOL!
    Folks, marijahoochee is freely and readily available anywhere youth congregate,you name the venue,mj is on sale there.And unfortunately,so are a lot of far more harmful drugs.
    Secondly,to the “dope in our schools” brigade of righteous hypocrites, dope is and has been in the schools,since the 1960’s. Any kid who wants to try mj or anything else can easily get it and if they tend toward that type of stimulant,already have.
    I have sat in on SO many conversations where parents have piously assured everyone that “my child would never use drugs”. Yep,the parents of the kid I just saw lighting up beside the garage a few minutes ago.
    Government will F*** this up as they do everything else.Wynne’s greed for more tax money will lead to legalization of anything she thinks they can control and tax.She is about to get a real lesson in free market economics.

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  17. Classic twofer for Wynne and her cronies. Government keeps control of commerce by selling pot themselves AND they get to create more government union bureaucrat/stock boy jobs by having two separate stores for booze and pot.

  18. Where Organized Crime leads,government follows,once they see there’s a buck or two billion to be made.
    Remember bootlegging and Prohibition? Now the exclusive territory of government.
    The “numbers racket”? Now the exclusive territory of government,right down to charities not being allowed to hold a casino night or bingo without government permission?
    Prostitution? Now the government licences “escort agencies”.
    Big government,the enemy of the people.

  19. *
    “don morris says… some political whore like Wynne
    crow about ‘protecting the children’    “
    So, any entreprenuerial kid who can pass for 19 has
    just cut out the gangbanger middleman and can
    resell to the rest of his cohort? Sounds a lot less
    scary to me. Thanks a lot, Liberal Party of Ontario.
    *

  20. I got news for ya SDA, the fix was in *right from the start*.
    too bad the moralistic harper CONservatists couldn’t finally get into the 21st century and realize if they are such champions of private entrepreneurialship they better GET with the ‘times’.
    prohibition gave us 32,000 speakeasies in NYC alone and proved a big foot in the door for organized crime. not to mention really obscene amount of hypocrisy at high levels.
    according to rerun of a 3 part documentary ‘Prohibition’ on PBS recently.
    does babbs bush still believe pot has NO medical benefit whatsoever?? none?? none at all for anyone anywhere?? oh. that’s right, she a republitard talking puppet. etc etc.
    (feel free anyone to goggle death rates and severe health complications aka side effects from ALL legal MAN MADE medical chemicals vs that from pot.)

  21. So the fools are now talking about the govt takeover, not about the legalization, itself a stupid idea. It would lead to huge slowdowns at the border, if not the introduction of visa requirements for Canadians by the US administration (IMHO, a great idea).

  22. The STATE will make more citizens criminals, “employ” more lifetime gubment union parasites AND 3 new levels of The Ministry Of Weed MOW, what’s not to like?

  23. “Alberta dumped our government owned liquor stores and nobody noticed.”
    I noticed. Service, selection and convenience all increased.

  24. Um, yeah, there is not a lesson in the universe that can break willful stupidity. Socialism, worship of big parasite; death is the only cure for that mental illness. They cannot be reasoned with, taught, cajoled, threatened, scared, nothing in all of creation can stop their speeding toward the wall. No number of walls hit and broken can deter them or change their minds.

  25. Part of the rationale for this is we “lost the war on drugs”. There has never been a war on marijuana in my lifetime. But you will certainly see one now. government will spare no expense to crack down on their competition.

  27. In addition to the reasons listed above, government shouldn’t do this because they will severely limit choices and preferences. Think of the time before microbreweries. The only beer available was the mass marketed, bland beer from big corporations, which is exactly what the big corporations pay for when they give political donations and buy expensive tickets to political fundraisers. I’m sure a few big donors will be given exclusive rights to provide pot to government stores. Meanwhile, all the novel varieties, flavors, strengths in both smoked and consumable pot will be developed in the USA or the black market.

  28. In Victoria there’s a pot shop on every corner and none of them even have a business license and city hall doesn’t care. There’s one rule for pot shops and one for everyone else.

  30. *
    “historybuff says… does babbs bush still believe pot has NO medical benefit
    whatsoever?? none??    “
    and absolutely no side-effects on plasticity of growing brains…
    “The Canadian Medical Association had recommended setting the age at 21,
    with strict limits on quantity and potency until 25.”
    medical marijuana is completely harmless… wait a minute…
    “Health Canada says it will begin random testing of medical marijuana products
    to check for the presence of banned pesticides after product recalls affecting
    nearly 25,000 customers led to reports of illnesses and the possibility of a
    class action lawsuit.”
    *

  31. The PROVEN medical benefit of marijuana: The user becomes so stoned, and their brain’s wiring so scrambled, that they f-e-e-l no pain … and further … just don’t give a shit about it anyway. The ULTIMATE “mellow” IS the medicine. Who cares mon ? My altered state IS the medicine.
    Next: Peyote buttons
    Then: Government-issued methadone

  32. I’m waiting for the penny to drop and all the potheads to suddenly realize they’ve been hoodwinked by the government into being regulated and paying more for their beloved weed.
    Then we’ll start seeing illegal grow-ops again.
    You couldn’t make this up.

  34. Or stick with their current source . . . so long as it’s cheap and good. I wonder if the government will be regulating (or attempting to curtail) “grow your own”. At this point you can grow around 5 plants if I am not mistaken. But now that this will be taking revenue away from the government, things could change. Depending on how things are implemented, this could be one step forward and two steps back. Personally, I think that all that was needed was decriminalization.

  35. *
    “mark says… they get to create more government union
    bureaucrat/stock boy jobs…”
    ontario’s public service unions already crowing about the
    2000 jobs they say this will create    . hmmm… the ontario
    liberals have a long and shady history of pandering to the
    unions.
    coincidence? i think not.
    *

  36. *
    “kenji says… Then: Government-issued methadone…”
    let’s take the time tunnel back to 2008…
    Should we be giving free heroin to addicts? Don’t choke.
    Researchers in Vancouver say yes.
     And they’ve just spent $8-million in public money to prove
    their case. Last month, after concluding a landmark clinical
    trial, they announced that the best way to treat hard-core
    heroin addicts is: Give them more heroin!
    i understand the iniative is now in full swing.
    *

  37. Awesome. This is asteroid territory! No friend of the crony corrupt LIEbrals, but the stupid stoners had it coming. What did they think, that it would be free? And not only will it be expensive, they get to pay tax on top of it.
    You voted for it, you got it stoners! Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!
    (Mea Culpa, sober former MJ user, 27 years free of that awful stuff)

  38. You must have been in a coma for the last several decades. There are many people in jail and who have otherwise had their lives ruined by the War on MJ, which is now coming to and end Wynne’s grasping desperation notwithstanding. I mean good god you couldn’t control it when it wasn’t legal nation-wide, good luck trying to stop it from coming in from other provinces.

  39. That absolutely it nails it kanji. Two exceptions:
    One, for epileptics, MJ has reduced seizures and severity of them. If normal medication has uncomfortable side effects, then I see no problem there. Two, cancer patients, MJ gives the munchies, helping their appetite.
    As far as being a pain killer, it’s all BS. During my time as a stoner, it did nothing for my chronic back pain(now healed), sore knees, or headaches, which actually got worse thanks to MJ.
    It’s not a pain killer, give me T3s instead, no comparison.
    Too much BS and lies from the stoner crowd. Go ahead, sell it in stores, just tax the bejeezuz out of it. No sympathy.

  41. No Unme I was not in a coma. Smoking dope was easy. Name me a concert that you couldn’t pretty much freely light up at. Don’t wave it under the cops noses and you were left alone. A few people got occaissionally busted but that was primarily caused by stupidity.
    Point is there was no “WAR” on drugs. They have been endorsed, promoted and glorified for the last 40 years.

  42. ” Don’t wave it under the cops noses and you were left alone. ”
    That’s a lie. Thousands of people in NY alone were held up by ‘stop and frisk’ and got busted when forced to turn their pockets out. What a police state hellhole.
    “there was no “WAR” on drugs. ”
    Maybe you should just stop now, unless you can prove that all of the people arrested for engaging in consensual activity, and the existence of the DEA, are just optical illusions or something.

  43. “Thousands of people in NY alone were held up by ‘stop and frisk’ and got busted when forced to turn their pockets out.”
    However, completely irrelevant.
    We are discussing the situation in CANADA.

  44. Sure, and you’ll see sniffer dogs & police/dope hounds roaming your neighborhood tracking them down like Revenuers did for illegal hooch.
    I have a skunk living in my yard. I think I’ll let him/her stay.

  45. *
    unme says… There are many people in jail…”
    sweet baby jebus… what are you talking about, trollboy? read about
    all the shootings in toronto, montreal, vancouver, etc. and you will
    invariably find that the perps all have previous aggregious criminal
    records for drugs and violence.
    if you can’t pull a significant jail for assault or attempted murder,
    who’s going to jail for smoking a joint?
    *

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