The way this works is that the Outrage Mob gins up its hatred quickly, giving no one a chance to actually think slowly and carefully about these things — and they should be thought slowly and carefully about, because what’s being engineered here is possibly an irrevocable negative hit on someone — and then people feel pressure to react instantly precisely the way the mob wants because God Forbid we stand up to the mob and say, “Stop your baying, and give adult men and women of rational mind and good spirit a chance to actually think,” then maybe they’ll turn on us next.
Or, in the comments — Milo’s getting the “full John Derbyshire”.
Earlier today I read the full, unedited text of Milo’s interview. He was awfully clear in his comments, hard to spin them away. As such, this isn’t about freedom to express contrary views, its about freedom to endorse criminal conduct, sexual predation of a child, etc. And Milo’s free to endorse whatever he wants, just not at CPAC. And that’s alright with me, I stand with CPAC on this one.
Perhaps you could share the, “full, unedited text of Milo’s interview?”
In the meantime the quote, ” Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?” comes to mind.
Considering that the progressives think it’s fine for some adult men (who wish they were women) to use washrooms that little girls frequent, I think any outrage they might drum up over this screams hypocrisy. In other words, par for the leftist course. Yawn.
Let’s also not forget that the age of consent has varied from place to place and from time to time. Is it an outrage to have an opinion on the subject?
Then recall the activities of a certain Prophet with regards to a young lady aged nine, which the progressives are willing to gloss over, as if he were Roman Polanski. But (as I have long suspected, but had not bothered to investigate until now), there was a lot of that about in those days. According to Wikipedia, for example:
– In the 12th century, Gratian, the influential founder of canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be around 12 (girls) and around 14 (boys) but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7.
– The first recorded age-of-consent law dates from 1275 in England; as part of its provisions on rape, the Statute of Westminster 1275 made it a misdemeanor to “ravish” a “maiden within age,” whether with or without her consent. The phrase “within age” was later interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.
– In the 16th century, a small number of Italian and German states set the minimum age for sexual intercourse for girls, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact similar laws. The first French Constitution of 1791 established the minimum age at 11 years. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons initially set the minimum age at 10–12 years.
– While ages from 10 to 13 were typically regarded as acceptable ages for sexual consent in Western countries during the mid-19th century, by the end of the 19th century changing attitudes towards sexuality and childhood resulted in the raising of the age of consent.
– The English common law had traditionally set the age of consent within the range of 10 to 12, but in 1875 the age was raised to 13.
– In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10–12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).
– In France, under the Napoleonic Code the age of consent was set in 1832 at 11, and was raised to 13 in 1863. It was increased to 15 in 1945.
We’re more civilized these days of course. But Milo is clearly taking a bad rap for being a vigorous advocate for freedom of speech. The book deal should continue and Breitbart shouldn’t cut ties.
I am heterosexual. There. I’ve done it. Out of the closet with me. Why was I in the closet ? Well, here in the SF Gay Area it is much more fashionable, if not blatantly socially preferable, to be a homosexual. Homosexuals are “smarter”, “wittier”, “richer”, more “creative”, yadda yadda yadda. Hell … even APPLE has a gay corporate figurehead.
And to make matters worse … I am a Christian. Make no mistake, I keep BOTH of those characteristics stuffed into the closet. Hidden. Out of sight. The militant gays, Hollywood, the Democretin Party, and every public institution cram homosexuality down my throat (so to speak). “Get in that kitchen and bake me a cake!” … “Celebrate Harvey Milk Day … or else!”… “You’re a Christian? then you’re a bigot!”. If I dare publicly “out” myself, I will become a target for Christo-bashing and bullying by the “gay community”.
I am an Iconoclast. A neo-iconoclast. Pretty much the opposite of what you THINK an iconoclast is. I rail against the neo-institutions that threaten me if I don’t toe their line. I refuse to obey Political Correctness. This includes worship and “normalization”of homosexuality. Sure, whatever … call me a homophobe … it is a convenient label to end all discussion and understanding.
I am a Milo admirer. Why ? Because other than that gay top & bottom thing … he is exactly LIKE me. His attitudes are my attitudes. Milo would NEVER call me a homophobe, and I know that he is not a heterophobe. Milo has torn apart every tenet of political correctitude imaginable. And THAT pisses-off a LOT of people on both left and right wings. Milo is not a leftist like 90% of his gay brethren. Milo doesn’t seek to “get-even” with whatever “prejudices” the dominant culture has visited upon him. Milo supports and defends most every sacred Christian value … including the sanctity of life. Milo is blunt yet extremely well spoken. Milo is a young, attractive, well-dressed man (there ends our similarities). Milo is, as he accurately asserts, a dangerous fa&&ot. He is as dangerous as a black Republican or a Trump-voting immigrant of the LEGAL variety. Far more dangerous to the LEFT and GOPe than a common garden-variety Christian-conservative-hetero like me (well … except for my Trump vote).
I do not, for a moment, believe that Milo is a pedophile. This despite my fear (born of evidence) than a substantial % of the “gay community” are – pedophiles. I completely understand (without further discussion or investigation) what Milo meant in his livestream statement. And I agree with him. Young adolescent gays (confused kids in my opinion) actually DO flee their homes into the arms of older gay men for reassurance, acceptance, and probably sex. In fact, most of the gay community routinely lectures us breeders about being “welcoming” and “accepting” … even “encouraging” of gay youth. Yet now the LEFT and the gays plead amnesia.
Now, it appears as though the John McCain wing of the GOPes has joined the LEFTist RESIST movement, working overtime to DESTROY each and every conservative voice that dares utter a word of TRUTH. Was Milo too popular ? Too flamboyantly gay ? Did Milo turn down Lindsey Graham’s sexual advances ? Graham’s always struck me as a little light in the loafers. This has all the earmarks of a professional mob hit. All the earmarks of a Putin polonium poisoning. If the so-called Free-speech advocates of the right-wing join the LEFT in this assassination attempt … they might come to regret the martyr they’ll create. There are immense forces aligning against Trump and his supporters. The election may have been won, and the correct presidential actions taken, but not a single LIBnutjob or GOPe corporate tool has surrendered. Seems as though Trumps people will have to keep speaking … and whatever else it takes.
A quote attributed to Cardinal Richelieu, 1585-1642:
“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”
“…We’re more civilized these days of course. …”
We live longer, at least in the first world. The age of consent should probably be 25, since most of our “adults” are unlikely to sustain their first or second marriages and aren’t ready to have children until they are in their forties.
Older gay men seek out and have sex with younger men. Older non-gay men seek out younger women. No surprise. For a culture where anything goes(see Declination thread) we sometimes see some surprising targets for banishment. Remember Tom Flanagan who was forced to retire and has not been seen nor heard from since he made those unfortunate comments.
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news-politics/canadian-political-advisor-pilloried-over-child-porn-comment-t37986.html
We keep hearing about these 1000 seats the GOP has picked up as if the GOP had anything at all to do with it.
These slippery, conniving weasels are worthless and will give back each and every one of them when the dems get a less (openly) corrupt leadership. Obama, Clinton and trump won those thousand seats for mostly useless people to warm them.
GOP owns all the legislative power and they seem to want to sit on their hands like they haven’t a clue what to do with it.
Milo was the best thing that happened to the right in decades. Not because he’s dogmatically right but because he entertains, engages and normalizes the right. He makes being conservative less geeky and more cool. Bowing to those worthless GOP establishment arseholes and their leftish friends on any subject is suicide. So they’ll do exactly that and throw the gay guy under the bus.
(((Milo))) is a another gay show pony who creates controversy. Not many I’ve read on the alt-right sites ever viewed him as any kind of ‘spokesman’, seeing him more as a distracting, burlesque provocateur. That he irritated all the right people was fine, but he did so from a perverse angle few endorse. I don’t know and don’t want to know whether he’d prey on chocolate-hued twinkies, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
robby, posted from your church no less
I’m waiting to see the thumpers pile on in here, all the one who get upset when I point out the gay priest problems. If people think adult sex with children is restricted to gays, I have a bridge for sale. Having an opinion and acting on said opinion is 2 different things
But then I think this is a hit by the religious right, no matter who, when or were this info came from, and point exactly to why I always say people should keep their religion out of politics
By the way, Kenji and nv53, good posts
Myself and I’m sure most people, are grossed out by it. Free speech, yeah, but that doesn’t mean people have to like it, including CPAC, which has their reputation on the line. This isn’t rioters blocking a booked speech, this is a group who decided they don’t want that creep at their show. I hate to see people’s reputations ruined by their opinions, but for god’s sake, society doesn’t make room for positive comments on pedophilia. No sympathy.
It’s called Freedom of Association. Nothing scary about it.
I’ve listened to and read many commentators over the years who were able to convincingly articulate a conservative message without talking about who they have sex with and how they perform it as part of their presentation.
Normally, I wouldn’t hesitate to criticize some flaming faggot who was accused of promoting pedophilia…. but in today’s political climate, it is wise to doubt what you hear from most any source with a partisan bias before coming to your own judgement. Show me some actual proof he believes in raping young boys and I will heartily denounce him. Same if he is actually sick enough to promote the idea that all young hetero men should risk their lifelong mental health by at least trying gay sex(which has been my single biggest fear of the fallout from unchecked gay activism).
Milo, almost single-handedly, brought the sorry state of our universities, etc to the public eye. He is also personally responsible for making hundreds of thousands of leftard’s heads explode. For those two reasons alone, he should at least be given a fair chance to defend and explain himself.
Blew a priest at 14? At the time he was 14, this was legal in Canada but not in the UK. Sounds like he was a victim, despite his humour. Stephen Harper raised the age to 16 despite the Liberal preference for legal child sex. He had a big fight with human rights groups. Please note that sexual relations with a 12 year old is still legal in Canada if the partner is 14 or less. Maybe there is still room for moral outrage but there are better targets than Milo.
Agree 100% Brick50. Milo is an attention whore wearing a figurative tar ‘n feather bomb belt. Something CPAC doesn’t need to be damaged and distracted by. I’m glad Milo’s now come out to disavow his past comments – it shows he has shreds of hope and decency – but I’ll never want to see him do his “act” on a stage, on tv or anywhere. I didn’t like the narcissist before and have much less reason to start liking him now. Having two young kids to raise I would never ever consider supporting any person expressing empathy for sexual predators. No sympathy.
Let us take a moment to remember that this is all because of something the guy -said-, not something that he -did.-
I refuse to participate in a five-minute hate because of something outrageous said off-hand on a TV show, the purpose of which is to get people to say outrageous things.
There’s recently been a guy sitting in the Oval Office who has DONE worse things to people than what Milo merely said. Let’s all try to keep things in perspective, shall we?
You want free speech or not? From the looks of it, there’s a whole bunch of people sincerely dedicated to taking it away. Just as many on the “right” as the “left”.
Milo is the canary in the coal mine. Keep an eye on who is trying to destroy him. Those are your enemies, not some goofy gay kid with stupid hair.
Hi SDA,
The “Pedo” angle is the bright shiny squirrel object.
What’s really going on is a defenestration by both the amoral Left and the Moral Majority Right (for their own particularly peculiar reasons). Milo isn’t a paedophile. He is a Free-Speech Libertarian Anglo-sphere ‘Nationalist’. And he is exceedingly helpful to our cause because he is, as a Gay Jewish kid who dates Black Men, & even now with these “revelations”, one of the few advocates we have whose motivations cannot be questioned (ie: not homophobic, antisemitiic, racist, etc. etc.). That is his immense value.
He is being, as the Brits say, “fitted up” to take a fall: we will all be the worse off without him (tho’ I believe he will prevail)
Yours in Christ,
Niall from Winnipeg
Perceptive comments nv53, Kenji, Jason, Canadian Observer, scar, and Deplorable Phantom,
I don’t think Milo survives this one. I saw and heard the video he made in question (3X) and it was right out of the NAMBLA playbook. Creepy and twisted as shit.
It’s on YouTube as we speak. Go and see it for yourselves. He *actually* defends man-boy sex and then has the gall to point to a Catholic priest who kicked him off on his lifestyle as offering him “protection” and “guidance”. His “retraction” is no more than a cover-your-ass non-denial-denial.
Homosexuals have always lusted after boys to groom and sodomize. I know first hand. I grew up just outside Hollywood, CA and have been assaulted several times by faggots while in my early teens (never successfully). Milo is no different than the norm for that deviant cohort.
Breitbart has now deleted all reference to him on their site, CPAC has disinvited him as their keynote speaker and S&S has pulled his book.
Good.
I put up with him for a long time in spite of his “orientation” but he is now dead to me.
Oh, and as far as that douchebag Ace is concerned (he who took every chance he had to excoriate Trump *AND* any and all supporters) he can FOAD.
Timing of all this is curious. This video is a year (or more?) old. Days ago, Milo is on Bill Maher (HBO). Someone was sitting on this for a long time.
Niall:
Yes, he was good for being able to use his gayness and Jewishness to deflect the left/milenials. (Though it obviously didn’t work on them.) If he wants to be a fringe guy and do his schtick, go right ahead. But every time I’ve seen him speak it’s all about graphically describing gay sex with black guys, and now this. It’s gross. Excuse me, and a lot of other conservatives who don’t want to endorse/cheerlead this guy. I’m no Moral Majority guy. Just don’t want this guy to be at the centre of my cause.
This kind of reminds me of the time about 37 years back when Elvis Costello nearly derailed his career by making blind, ignorant comments about Ray Charles. Before that his persona was that of an abrasive punk who’d go out of his way to be offensive, but after he pissed off the wrong people in the wrong way he had to do a major image adjustment right quick if he was going to survive. And if Milo survives this, he’s gonna have to ditch the more abrasive trolling and cut out the unnecessary provocations and insults. He’s much better when he’s direct and focused on issues than when he’s doing the giddy troll crap anyway.
F-sakes people. No wonder our side are such useless twats. Milo was taken down by the establishment conservatives. Wouldn’t want to focus on the other side or anything. Nope, lets shot at each other instead. How’s that legislation coming along then?
F-it. I’m tapping out. There’s no point defending a position that can’t even tolerate its own recruiters. Milo did more to bring in the next generation of voters than the rest of the establishment combined. You didn’t have to blow him. Just let him be.
I quit.
Yeah it pretty much has been at that point for a long time, hasn’t it. Why donate to, volunteer for, vote for… anyone who is willing to Chuck anyone or anything under the bus at the behest of Don Lemon, or Sharpton or that annoying Solo guy here in Saskatoon.
Quitters never prosper. Life was meant to be a struggle.
If things start to get too easy, look over your shoulder and see if there is a meteor smoking down from above.
I saw his apology and explanation — though not the original video comments. The apology seemed straightforward and sincere. This smacks of a witch hunt. Someone was out to destroy Milo. I hope he bounces back as he is a unique personality. Any chance the CBC might consider hiring him? The CBC badly needs some conservative commentators and Milo is more amusing than most.
What’s up with continually hearing about gay guys seemingly being into pedophilia? I guess if you’re not going to stop yourself from living that way then you just spiral downward.
The attack on Milo kind of reminds me of the work of the C-word John McCain who continually tries to undermine Trump. Something wrong with winning?
Right on Oz !
Having watched him on several interviews I did come away with the feeling that he was using the overdone Madonna method of shock news to gain financial gain by widespread media coverage. It still works for her.
Or is he the real thing?
Milo’s whole schtick was based on outrage. He kept ratcheting it up until he found where the boundaries are. Sure he was taken down by conservatives – so what? It was an up with which we will not put, as someone once said.
I don’t care if he was making a joke or not. He is now backtracking which tells me everything.
Milo is no Edmund Burke or John Locke. He’s a flash in the pan media creation and the conservative movement will survive quite well without him.
“Milo is the canary in the coal mine. Keep an eye on who is trying to destroy him. Those are your enemies, not some goofy gay kid with stupid hair.”
Exactly, nothing to add here.
The fact that so many on this side are rushing to form a lynch mob is much more disconcerting than what he said. I am willing to bet that most heaven’t even bothered to listen to what he said. They “heard enough”. In other words they were just looking for excuses to dump him first chance they get. Cupid stunts.
Milo Yiannopoulos Full Press Conference (2/21/17)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABJo7w-efTA
Lets get one thing straight.
Milo didn’t take the high jump because he is gay. He’s a loud mouth provocateur who finally did himself in. I suspect the gay lobby is as pissed with him as anyone.
I don’t believe that Milo is being so much lynched by a mob of angry establishment Conservatives as everyday deplorable schmucks find themselves disgusted enough to not want to hear him speak. He’s been tuned out by a base that deplore child sex predators much more than they applaud someone capably espousing general conservative talking points. It looks like Milo is missing quite a few toes on one of his feet and the guilty perpetrator is looking back at him in the mirror. On the bright side Hugh Grant made some o.k. movies since Divine Brown… There’s always hope.
I’m glad Nazi Milo is gone–destroyed!
If he was a famous Hollywood director like Roman Polanski, he would deserve an award and the praise of famous Hollywood actresses like Meryl Streep, but he is an alt-right Islamophobic racist Nazi!
Lame.
I’ve read better children’s books. Oh wait!!? Can I even say that in this political environment created by the Left who think it’s Kool for Children celebrities to flaunt their sexuality just to sell music or movies?
Really, how many babies does the Left murder every year…I know it’s around 100K in Canada and 1Million in the U.S… Maybe we need an expert witness like Kermit Gosnell to testify about how much love the Left has for babies, kiddies, chillins…
You honestly believe that all this outrage from the right is spontaneous and is not just manufactured virtue signaling? Really?
The right now demands purity tests and burn their own over out of context remarks from more than a year ago?
“I’m glad Nazi Milo is gone–destroyed!”
A Nazi libertarian. You truly are a frigging idiot. You do realize how stupid that sounds?
Thank you for pointing out how many here are starting to sound like you. But that is your point, isn’t it? 😉
For the record…I have found Milo irritating to listen to. But I would cheer for him every time he stood for freedom of speech, and ridiculed the politically correct. I’m sure he had the lefts heads spinning when he came on the scene.
I honestly believe that what Milo said is more than just locker room “boys will be boys” talk. There’s been a huge push to sexualize kids and lower the legal age of consent and gay activists are doing a lot of that pushing. Maybe Milo is now caught between conscience and lifestyle but he did clearly say that predation of young kids was ok and only back tracked after being out’ed. I find what he said reprehensible as should all parents no matter what political stripe. I will never support people that want to prey on kids. It may be a character-killing cruise missile shot by the Left that toppled Milo’s shining star but Milo’s responsible for giving them the ammunition to do that. Falling on his Breitbart sword was honorable – he’s young and may yet redeem himself at some point from his mess.
I am no psychologist, but easy to see what is going on; Milo is in pain. The easiest person to lie to is yourself. I think that priest thing is a source of pain for Milo. He may or may not know this consciously, but pain makes people say silly and or stupid things. When I hurt, lashing out is one thing I do. Denial is another. Destructive behavior like speeding, drinking, extra risk taking…
That is just my empathy filter. Your mileage may vary.