As with most things it would seem there is a learning curve.
The decades after WWII were the best. Now, guys just can’t have real fun anymore.
“It’s all fun ’till someone …” (Fill in ending of your choice)
I am stilling shaking my head at never connecting the use of Atomic Weapons with a Tsunami.
Would? Could? a rogue Nut Bar from North Korea or an Isamic Entity conceive and initiate a Radioactive Tsunami close enough to an Island or Coastal Nation to effectively destroy and contaminate a significant portion of the Nation with Radiative Residue.
Ghastly !!- But we are learning Ghastly is not a deterraent for the Radical Extremist.
Every significant harbour; canal; and watrerway could become an avenue for Total destruction. The impact of the Tsunami alone, with radiation undertones on the sophisticated and technologically Japan is an indication of the potential impact on Mega Cities located in International Ports around the world.
I am certain that the Iranian Ayatollah’s Nuclear tests will go much smoother … now that Obama and Valerie Jarrett have ‘shared’ all of America’s Nuclear knowledge.
A tsunami is triggered by an earthquake.
A terrorist would have greater success murdering more people simply by detonating the device in the target city.
No, it can’t. The energy release from the Hiroshima weapon was about 10(12) joules. The energy release from the largest nuclear device that ever existed was about 10(15) joules. The smallest earthquake capable of generating a tsunami of any significance is about ten times that size. The energy release from the Tohoku Earthquake in Japan was about 5 x 10(18), or at least 5000 times greater than the largest nuclear device ever created (Tsar Bomba)and at least 5 million times the size of the Hiroshima weapon.
From the story, it appears that the dangerous scenario would be a nuke dropped into a coastal metropolitan deep-water harbor, combined with onshore winds aloft. The radioactive rain would render the area completely uninhabitable and quickly deadly for anyone within the zone of “black rain.”
Might be more deadly than a larger air-burst over the city.
The nut-bars in Iran are probably thinking a bit lower tech than that; say a device loaded onto a ship aimed at a vulnerable sea port. Mumbai has already had terrorists attack from their port because of its easy access to the Arabian Sea.
Interesting despite the loaded language used in the article; and at least it gave us a cool name for the 2-piece bathing suit.
Also I didn’t know that’s how the captured cruiser, Prinz Eugen, ended up. (According to Wiki its screw-propeller was salvaged from the wreck and is in a German museum today.)
The Gore II was a successful test to weaponize Carbon. The “Carbon Eliminator” will make Nuclear weapons obsolete. The weapon looks like a common willow walking-stick …
From the story – “The Navy had a point to prove. In this new era of nuclear warfare, in which the Air Force could rain down explosives on entire cities, what use was a naval force? The military leaders who proposed the test wanted to show that their ships could ride out a nuclear attack and that the fleet was not obsolete.”
So, set off a nuke for the sole purpose of keeping the money flowing?!
One reason tests like this were conducted, and still are with conventional explosives, is to investigate the effects of the resulting explosions on structures and materials, particularly armour.
Of interest were the resistance to heat and radioactivity, the ability to withstand the blast shock wave, and how the materials that were used behaved under such sudden loading. The findings could then be used in the design of aircraft, naval vessels, and armoured vehicles.
Proof positive of JUST how dangerous carbon can be. Ban all shillelaghs NOW !
We don’t need to worry about the nukes anymore. John Kerry says air conditioners and refrigerators are the most serious threats to life. I’ll miss cold beer . . .
Over 300 above ground nuclear tests were done by the US and USSR in the 1950’s alone, sending thousands of tons of radioactive material into the stratosphere.
They probably contaminated the entire planet with fallout.
Maybe that’s why so many of us are dying of cancer these days, but it’s a lot more convenient to blame alcohol or tobacco or coffee, red meat, over cooked steaks, and other bad habits, than it is to admit that our beloved governments poisoned us all.
My Uncle was a Captain in the Army,served at Ground level in Nevada when they did their nuclear tests. He said the fallout landed on a herd of cattle they had nearby as part of the test,( along with unprotected soldiers). The fallout was like a thick layer of dust and he said,” we brushed the dust off the cattle,slaughtered a couple of them and ate the steaks for supper”.
In the late 1980’s he died riddled with skin cancer.
Many of the cast and crew that worked on the movie “The Conqueror” were likewise affected. It was filmed in Utah and, as it turned out, downwind from a Nevada nuclear test.
John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, and Pedro Armendariz, as well as director Dick Powell were among the 91 people who worked on the movie and who contracted cancer (according to IMDB.com), all believed to be due to fallout from the test.
Very sorry to hear that about your uncle, Don. What I can say is that all radiation exposure records by US military personnel had to be retained permanently. The size of the dose from a particular test would indicate whether or not radiation was the cause. Given that it was a nuclear test, this would have come as a prompt dose, not a chronic dose to which B referred.
B, John Wayne died of lung, stomach and throat cancers, all of which were caused by chain smoking most of his life. Agnes Moorehead died of uterine cancer. None of these are prone to causation by radiation fallout. There is some considerable evidence of synthesis between smoking and inhaled radioactive particle inhalation. That is, smoking and radiation exposure makes for a much higher cancer incidence than just smoking or the same radiation dose incurred separately.
Yes, the Prinz Eugen broke loose from her moorings during a storm and rolled over on Enubuj (Carlson or Enubuj Island) reef, in the atoll side, east of Kwajalein Island, on the south side of Kwajalein Atoll. She is visible via Googlemaps (type in Kwajalein, Marshall Islands, then follow the barrier reef west to the next island, and go slightly north to inside the atoll.)
She is a popular dive site, though I believe several have died diving it. The water is usually clear.
Got to touch her once in 1972 while my parents were diving on her.
You may be right as we now know there are different varieties of cancer, with their own unique characteristics.
However, radioactivity can affect the metabolism in other ways, such as weakening the immune system, thereby making one susceptible to other diseases.
Only at high chronic doses, B. Much of the current medical evidence over the past two decades suggests the reverse, that long term low chronic dose strengthens the immune system.
“…So, set off a nuke for the sole purpose of keeping the money flowing?”
Of course. When you’ve based your life’s work on the belief that your country’s security depends partly on having an effective navy, and the recent several years of global war have vindicated that belief, you don’t conduct these tests because you are genuinely concerned that the effects of a new weapons technology on the viability of warships should be properly understood before getting rid of the navy, you just blow sh*t up to “keep the money flowing.”
Neat, Andrew. I’ve never dived although I did get to use a friend’s scuba-gear in our family pool once!
What could possibly go wrong? It was necessary to know the effects and consequents of an underwater nuclear device.
Chances were taken, which from the light of the superior knowledge presumptively now resident in the US nuclear laboratories, appear unconscionable. For example, the possibility was raised that the atmosphere might be ignited by a nuclear blast, via a CNO cycle. The temperature reached in the detonation of the device would seem sufficient for ignition.Hans Bethe (incidentally the discoverer of the first CNO cycle) calculated it out, and found that the likelihood was nil.
Now Bethe was thorough and careful as well as brilliant. However, he didn’t know everything about the CNO cycles!
There were, apparently, all sorts of betting pools about what would happen as a result of the Trinity test. I think there was one about the atmosphere catching fire.
This wasn’t the only test in which people got scared about things going wrong. Apparently when the Soviets detonated the Tsar bomb, its yield was more than anticipated and there was genuine concern that the reaction would continue.
Before we all get worked up here people, let us remember that Uncle Sam’s ”Atomic Bombs” (love the term) have kept many rogue nations at bay since Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. There were only two incidents where the USA and ”the Commies” were close to nuclear confrontation and that was during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. I believe JFK saved the day on that one. The second was an incident that was caused by a false alarm from USSR radar in 1983, however the confrontation was avoided. I do however believe that we are living on borrowed time.
“I do however believe that we are living on borrowed time”
Especially when Obama gives away the keys that will open the luxury suite at the Armageddon Hotel to a rogue state like Iran.
actually, Khrushchev backed off because he wasn’t to sure about Kennedy’s ability to deal with the situation. Khrushchev actually liked Kennedy, but did not consider him competent. Kennedy effed that one up big time.
As with most things it would seem there is a learning curve.
The decades after WWII were the best. Now, guys just can’t have real fun anymore.
“It’s all fun ’till someone …” (Fill in ending of your choice)
I am stilling shaking my head at never connecting the use of Atomic Weapons with a Tsunami.
Would? Could? a rogue Nut Bar from North Korea or an Isamic Entity conceive and initiate a Radioactive Tsunami close enough to an Island or Coastal Nation to effectively destroy and contaminate a significant portion of the Nation with Radiative Residue.
Ghastly !!- But we are learning Ghastly is not a deterraent for the Radical Extremist.
Every significant harbour; canal; and watrerway could become an avenue for Total destruction. The impact of the Tsunami alone, with radiation undertones on the sophisticated and technologically Japan is an indication of the potential impact on Mega Cities located in International Ports around the world.
I am certain that the Iranian Ayatollah’s Nuclear tests will go much smoother … now that Obama and Valerie Jarrett have ‘shared’ all of America’s Nuclear knowledge.
A tsunami is triggered by an earthquake.
A terrorist would have greater success murdering more people simply by detonating the device in the target city.
No, it can’t. The energy release from the Hiroshima weapon was about 10(12) joules. The energy release from the largest nuclear device that ever existed was about 10(15) joules. The smallest earthquake capable of generating a tsunami of any significance is about ten times that size. The energy release from the Tohoku Earthquake in Japan was about 5 x 10(18), or at least 5000 times greater than the largest nuclear device ever created (Tsar Bomba)and at least 5 million times the size of the Hiroshima weapon.
From the story, it appears that the dangerous scenario would be a nuke dropped into a coastal metropolitan deep-water harbor, combined with onshore winds aloft. The radioactive rain would render the area completely uninhabitable and quickly deadly for anyone within the zone of “black rain.”
Might be more deadly than a larger air-burst over the city.
The nut-bars in Iran are probably thinking a bit lower tech than that; say a device loaded onto a ship aimed at a vulnerable sea port. Mumbai has already had terrorists attack from their port because of its easy access to the Arabian Sea.
Interesting despite the loaded language used in the article; and at least it gave us a cool name for the 2-piece bathing suit.
Also I didn’t know that’s how the captured cruiser, Prinz Eugen, ended up. (According to Wiki its screw-propeller was salvaged from the wreck and is in a German museum today.)
The Gore II was a successful test to weaponize Carbon. The “Carbon Eliminator” will make Nuclear weapons obsolete. The weapon looks like a common willow walking-stick …
From the story – “The Navy had a point to prove. In this new era of nuclear warfare, in which the Air Force could rain down explosives on entire cities, what use was a naval force? The military leaders who proposed the test wanted to show that their ships could ride out a nuclear attack and that the fleet was not obsolete.”
So, set off a nuke for the sole purpose of keeping the money flowing?!
One reason tests like this were conducted, and still are with conventional explosives, is to investigate the effects of the resulting explosions on structures and materials, particularly armour.
Of interest were the resistance to heat and radioactivity, the ability to withstand the blast shock wave, and how the materials that were used behaved under such sudden loading. The findings could then be used in the design of aircraft, naval vessels, and armoured vehicles.
Proof positive of JUST how dangerous carbon can be. Ban all shillelaghs NOW !
Blackthorn Lives Matter, h8er!
And then there is this – a doomsday bomb that destroys most of nato.
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=44588&no_cache=1#.V5PFjvSs-nM
We don’t need to worry about the nukes anymore. John Kerry says air conditioners and refrigerators are the most serious threats to life. I’ll miss cold beer . . .
Over 300 above ground nuclear tests were done by the US and USSR in the 1950’s alone, sending thousands of tons of radioactive material into the stratosphere.
They probably contaminated the entire planet with fallout.
Maybe that’s why so many of us are dying of cancer these days, but it’s a lot more convenient to blame alcohol or tobacco or coffee, red meat, over cooked steaks, and other bad habits, than it is to admit that our beloved governments poisoned us all.
My Uncle was a Captain in the Army,served at Ground level in Nevada when they did their nuclear tests. He said the fallout landed on a herd of cattle they had nearby as part of the test,( along with unprotected soldiers). The fallout was like a thick layer of dust and he said,” we brushed the dust off the cattle,slaughtered a couple of them and ate the steaks for supper”.
In the late 1980’s he died riddled with skin cancer.
Many of the cast and crew that worked on the movie “The Conqueror” were likewise affected. It was filmed in Utah and, as it turned out, downwind from a Nevada nuclear test.
John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, and Pedro Armendariz, as well as director Dick Powell were among the 91 people who worked on the movie and who contracted cancer (according to IMDB.com), all believed to be due to fallout from the test.
Very sorry to hear that about your uncle, Don. What I can say is that all radiation exposure records by US military personnel had to be retained permanently. The size of the dose from a particular test would indicate whether or not radiation was the cause. Given that it was a nuclear test, this would have come as a prompt dose, not a chronic dose to which B referred.
B, John Wayne died of lung, stomach and throat cancers, all of which were caused by chain smoking most of his life. Agnes Moorehead died of uterine cancer. None of these are prone to causation by radiation fallout. There is some considerable evidence of synthesis between smoking and inhaled radioactive particle inhalation. That is, smoking and radiation exposure makes for a much higher cancer incidence than just smoking or the same radiation dose incurred separately.
Yes, the Prinz Eugen broke loose from her moorings during a storm and rolled over on Enubuj (Carlson or Enubuj Island) reef, in the atoll side, east of Kwajalein Island, on the south side of Kwajalein Atoll. She is visible via Googlemaps (type in Kwajalein, Marshall Islands, then follow the barrier reef west to the next island, and go slightly north to inside the atoll.)
She is a popular dive site, though I believe several have died diving it. The water is usually clear.
Got to touch her once in 1972 while my parents were diving on her.
You may be right as we now know there are different varieties of cancer, with their own unique characteristics.
However, radioactivity can affect the metabolism in other ways, such as weakening the immune system, thereby making one susceptible to other diseases.
Only at high chronic doses, B. Much of the current medical evidence over the past two decades suggests the reverse, that long term low chronic dose strengthens the immune system.
“…So, set off a nuke for the sole purpose of keeping the money flowing?”
Of course. When you’ve based your life’s work on the belief that your country’s security depends partly on having an effective navy, and the recent several years of global war have vindicated that belief, you don’t conduct these tests because you are genuinely concerned that the effects of a new weapons technology on the viability of warships should be properly understood before getting rid of the navy, you just blow sh*t up to “keep the money flowing.”
Neat, Andrew. I’ve never dived although I did get to use a friend’s scuba-gear in our family pool once!
And then this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/23/kerry-air-conditioners-as-big-threat-as-isis.html
What could possibly go wrong? It was necessary to know the effects and consequents of an underwater nuclear device.
Chances were taken, which from the light of the superior knowledge presumptively now resident in the US nuclear laboratories, appear unconscionable. For example, the possibility was raised that the atmosphere might be ignited by a nuclear blast, via a CNO cycle. The temperature reached in the detonation of the device would seem sufficient for ignition.Hans Bethe (incidentally the discoverer of the first CNO cycle) calculated it out, and found that the likelihood was nil.
Now Bethe was thorough and careful as well as brilliant. However, he didn’t know everything about the CNO cycles!
There were, apparently, all sorts of betting pools about what would happen as a result of the Trinity test. I think there was one about the atmosphere catching fire.
This wasn’t the only test in which people got scared about things going wrong. Apparently when the Soviets detonated the Tsar bomb, its yield was more than anticipated and there was genuine concern that the reaction would continue.
Before we all get worked up here people, let us remember that Uncle Sam’s ”Atomic Bombs” (love the term) have kept many rogue nations at bay since Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. There were only two incidents where the USA and ”the Commies” were close to nuclear confrontation and that was during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. I believe JFK saved the day on that one. The second was an incident that was caused by a false alarm from USSR radar in 1983, however the confrontation was avoided. I do however believe that we are living on borrowed time.
“I do however believe that we are living on borrowed time”
Especially when Obama gives away the keys that will open the luxury suite at the Armageddon Hotel to a rogue state like Iran.
actually, Khrushchev backed off because he wasn’t to sure about Kennedy’s ability to deal with the situation. Khrushchev actually liked Kennedy, but did not consider him competent. Kennedy effed that one up big time.