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Update: Patrick Brown wins. I know nothing about anything, Ontario readers can catch you up in the comments, I presume.
livestreaming here
Update: Patrick Brown wins. I know nothing about anything, Ontario readers can catch you up in the comments, I presume.
Just linked up and there is some no name middle age white dude which will forever doom the Ontario to only two parties to vote for… left and lefter.
Agreed. Elliot was the better choice.
Well, I’m happier with Brown than Elliot. At least he had the guts to stand up and denounce Benny-the-Diddler ‘ s “Anal sex for 11 year olds” curriculum. The best Elliot could muster was a weak ” there should have been more consultation with parents” response.
The last few paragraphs in Andrew Coyne’s recent piece in the National Post about the Alberta elections make some pretty good points about the failures of pinky PCs. What he says is that if you’re a lefty pretending that you’re a righty, the voters will reject you and vote for the genuine article.
Andrew Coyne tweeted that PC’s have shot themselves in the foot or something…
The same Andrew Coyne who thought Jim Prentice was the cleverist thing since sliced meat just a few weeks ago.
36 is “middle-aged”?
Maybe Brown is a straight-shooter; people want somebody who will call a spade a spade. I guess time will tell.
Brown showed a remarkably strong riding level organization in the campaign which is important. I went to one event. He needs to up his charisma and retail politician ability. But he has time for that.
“I guess time will tell”
Yes…and it shouldn’t be a long time either. He should be drop – kicking Wynnebag first thing. It’s not like he had to go digging up ammo.
“I guess time will tell”
Yes…and it shouldn’t be a long time either. He should be drop – kicking Wynnebag first thing. It’s not like he had to go digging up ammo.
36 is middle aged if you live to 72.
Average life expectancy for a man in Canada is about 80, so 40 is middle-aged.
Just because 40 year old’s think they’re 25 forever doesn’t make it so.
Actually don’t have a clue who the guy is as I don’t have much faith he’ll do much if anything to change things in this province anyways. It’s a friggin disgusting mess politically, and things are more than likely going to run their course as be corrected by the type of people some call leaders.
“….people want somebody who will call a spade a spade.”
And that’s exactly what Hudak did when he said he would cut the PS union by 100,000 and we all know how that turned out. He would have had no argument from me on that score.
I firmly believe Ontario is beyond salvation. Fortunately I have the means to leave at the drop of a hat but where do I go? Maybe I’ll wait four years and see what the Ontario PCs can do but perhaps more importantly, will Alberta be a potential destination.
It’s a friggin disgusting mess politically, and things are more than likely going to run their course as be corrected by the type of people some call leaders.
Yeah, people wanted a king, so they got it good and hard…
1Sa 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
1Sa 8:12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
1Sa 8:13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
1Sa 8:14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
1Sa 8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
1Sa 8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
1Sa 8:17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
1Sa 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
‘ye shall be his servants’, yes, I think working half your life for the gov’t would qualify.
And then we have the naive libertarians among us who think there can ever be a gov’t instituted by man which doesn’t do these things. The USA had just such a beginning, how’s that going?
Elliot was another doesn’t really stand for anything Progressive.
Brown appears to be more conservative, but time will tell if can rebuild the party, given that 29% of the working population works for the public sector, he has a big hill to clime.
“At least he had the guts to stand up and denounce Benny-the-Diddler ‘ s “Anal sex for 11 year olds” curriculum.”
Speaking of Benny-the-Diddler, his sentencing is 29 May. Going to be interesting to see if the story shows up on CBC (radio/TV/web) or on the Red Star’s website and if his role in the perv sex ed curriculum will even be mentioned. Wonder if Global or CTV will carry the story….
Seems the Ontario Conservatives have missed the last 20 years of politics. You can look blue and govern red (Martin), you can talk red and govern blue (Chretien), you can talk blue and govern red (Harper) but you can’t look blue and talk blue because you’ll never get elected to govern blue (Hudak and probably now Brown). Elliot looked red and could have taken Wynne easily in an election. Then she could have governed blue-lite, which is all we get these days. Ah well. Hopefully Trudeau (looks red and talks red) continues the tradition in the fall.
No,people don’t want a guy who “will call a spade a spade”,they want to be seduced, they want a person who will whisper sweet nothings in their ear and tell them how beautiful and intelligent they are while voting for the seducer.
Voters want stuff the politician can’t deliver, free this,that,and everything,and lower taxes to pay for it. At election time I’ve seen way too many episodes where otherwise sensible people turn into teeny-boppers and vote for “the face” or “the voice” instead of the dull boring guy who can actually provide a positive influence.
Ontario voters, especially in Toronto, believe they are more highly developed creatures than the rest of us, so they will continue to vote for the most politically correct, most convincing liar who runs for the Premier’s Office. Wynne is that person right now,the opposition has to come up with a candidate who is better at one of the above to defeat her.
Straight shooters die very quickly in politics.
Hopefully he is not as stupid as hudak
I think Brown will do better because he wasn’t trying to be a conservative version of the liberal leader.
He was running as a conservative.
This was/is the same appeal as the guy they said would never unite the right, win a general election, or become PM.
Already the bolsheviks have a snarky wikipedia entry for the fellow.
Brown spent a lot of time on rural ground during the campaign because he realized that was where his numbers were going to come from. Elliot spent her time trolling for dollars and hoping that her endorsrment by high profilers and the media (which liked her pinkery) would somehow translate into votes.
However, rural Ontario had been down this road before with a multitude of PC pretenders. They all played lip service to things like property rights and the relaxing of stifling environmental regulations, but once they got to Queens Park they were indistinguishable from the others.
Ad recently as March this year the PCs voted along with the Liberals and NDP to support yet another motion about the danger of Climate Change and the utter necessity of reducing greenhouse gasses. This is the f****** stupidity Brown has to stop.
The PC’s got it right this time. He may prove too conservative for some but given the mess the Liberals have made and the NDP who kept them in power far too long, no thinking person could vote for either.
It’s long past time for conservatives to be conservative, the province needs another common sense revolution to clean the mess up.
I voted for Brown, even though Elliott was at first impression more likely to win the next election. Here’s why
1) Ontario is going down the toilet anyway. There will have to be massive cuts. Let the Liberals wear that.
2) The progressive conservative party of Ontario is run by a boys (and girls) club of non-energetic rich people who have no contact with the grassroots. They are not really about conservatism as much as they are about getting into power. They resemble the Liberal Party of Canada. Elliott was their candidate. Its them, not Hudak, who are to blame for the disasters of the last few elections. Many of us feel that for the sake of the future, the PCPO needed an enema, to get control of the party out of these people’s hands, even if means we lose the next election.
3) Elliott is not a conservative. I voted against her last time she ran for party leader (we got Hudak 🙁 ) and I voted against her again, as much as I voted for Brown. She is also very uninspiring as a candidate. She waffles, she gives vague answers, she seems phoney to me.
4) Brown has great energy, a marked contrast to the very boring current leadership. He did an outstanding job motivating young people. I’ve never seen so many young faces in the Conservative party, doing active things. There must be something about him. Again. The future.
5) Although Elliott is touted as the candidate who can win Toronto for the PCPO, Brown did better than her in most Toronto ridings except in the city centre.
Brown could end up being a total disaster. Not a small chance of that. But I don’t think we have much to lose. Let the Liberals wear the mess they have made of Ontario’s economy while Conservatives in Ontario rediscover what they are about.
Maybe a nice lady like Elliot can win in four years or so but I don’t think we have the luxury of having a nice lady in charge now. We are not getting the press about all the scandals and the selling of Ontario Hydro after bribing the workers with stocks in the company so we need someone who will make a fuss. Plus Brown’s recruiting of ethnic groups is smart.
I wish Flaherty hadn’t gotten sick and passed away. He was the type of Conservative people could relate to. Well let’s pray the electorate doesn’t go for the Orange wave federally, because Justin is fading fast.
“It’s not like he had to go digging up ammo.”
That’s for sure.
“Just because 40 year old’s think they’re 25 forever doesn’t make it so.”
Judging by the human specimens I’ve observed, it takes an extra ten years to mature now, compared to a few decades ago, although many of the REALLY dopey individuals today are as old as Al Gore and Jane Fonda.
I don’t think it matters anymore who leads the PCs in Ontario. The Ontario electorate voted McGuilty back into power after he broke every promise he made about taxes and spending and then they voted in Wynne who was his accomplice. The fact that Ontariowe will soon be $300,000,000,000 in debt doesn’t register with them at all, even though that debt negatively affects every aspect of their lives.
You can’t cure stupidity.
Tamarax, I’m putting in a good word for B.C. We need more conservatives!
@Steve: Elliot will govern RED, so what’s the point?
@oldLori: Totally agree.
As we can plainly see now, John Tory was a “red tory” — Disaster!
Hudak was also a “red tory” — Calamitous!
Brown is the most conservative of the remaining candidates. I believe Elliott was yet another progressive (red tory). My impression was that she was appeasing the left. We’ve been down that road twice already. Time for someone to stand on principal for a change. He may lose, but losing on principle is far more preferable than winning by selling your soul.
Just watched Brown’s victory speech.
He’s a little rough around the edges, but comes off as sincere. Quite refreshing actually, especially during the parts where he goes off-script.
Nice touch at the end about his speech impediment. Can’t hurt him with that.
He’s still young. He’ll grow, become more refined with experience. He did cite Nordic countries and Germany (which happen to be progressive) in his speech, tries to reconcile with public and private sector unions, and says that he will not re-open the abortion debate. This does concern me in the long term, but I’ve heard enough to at least give him a chance. As long as he doesn’t turn to the dark side, I can still support him.
oldLori: “Its them, not Hudak, who are to blame for the disasters of the last few elections. Many of us feel that for the sake of the future, the PCPO needed an enema, to get control of the party out of these people’s hands, even if means we lose the next election”.
This point needs a great deal more emphasis then it has ever received. Tim Hudak resigned forthwith, but how many people at party headquarters did the same, after the last debacle? Apparently some of the architects of the 2014 campaign also worked on two previous losing efforts. The direction of the 2014 campaign was not all dreamed up by Tim Hudak, I saw plenty of sound advice on blogs imploring PCs to focus on Liberal weaknesses , as if there weren’t enough, and get away from the 1 note disaster that was bound to sink them again. All good strategy points were ignored and the result is what we have to suffer for four years. Changing leaders every 2 years or so does not get to the heart of the problem.
Patrick Brown has been our MP in Barrie for a couple of elections. I’ve met him, campaigned for him and of course voted for him. He was the only Ontario PC leadership candidate who is not just a ‘Progressive Conservative’ but also a CONSERVATIVE in his political instincts and philosophy. Yes, Patrick Brown is a right wing conservative, and that’s a GOOD thing …and it will be a VERY GOOD thing in Ontario by the time the next election rolls around. One more thing – he will likely be the only male party leader in the next election. Ontario voters will be quite ready for a competent conservative white male after the Wynne years.
ON will be clamoring for an iron Mike Harris if they come to their senses. Not real sure that will happen though.
Who votes for someone who promises belt tightening and tough medicine?
It’s been fascinating reading the comments from my leftist friends on Facebook about Patrick Brown. Step back, yadda yadda. Worse thing to happen to the PC’s, yadda, yadda. Never win again, yadda yadda.
I have toothmarks in my tongue from restraining the urge to post comments and scream at them that they wouldn’t vote for a PC candidate no matter how left of center they were. I just hope Mr. Brown will actually come through and revive the conservatives in Ontario. Especially in any of the urban centers where the PC party was shut out of in the last election.
I just may stay now, we need to make a stand somewhere. If we keep running we will just die tired.
a real conservative has a difficult time voting anywhere in Canada. most of those who run for office are picked by a few people in the party. after questioning a few over the years I find that many times they do not have a clue just what might comprise conservative values. some are just as far to the left as their liberal and n d p counterparts. it gets more difficult to vote every election because I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. you want my vote, then express conservative values and then live up to them if elected. if you have to vote against something just to vote you might as well not vote because you are getting the same product.
Well, I am not the least surprised: everybody knew that Patrick Brown was going to win.
Without disclosing our preference, me and all my family voted the same way.
Except, that is, for my sister, who didn’t get to vote, actually, because she didn’t get her membership card, on account of an astonishing level of disorganization by one of the two campaigns — if it couldn’t even get its phone number right on its literature, how could it ever expect to beat the Liberals?
As it happens, we were not the only ones so almost-disenfranchised, apparently, to the point that we heard from the wife of a cousin, somewhat removed, quite by happenstance, who had the same problem and recommended a certain person, whom, also as it happens, we have know for decades, to contact to ensure we were on the voters’ list, which, apparently, we mostly were. Guess whose campaign that individual was working for?
At any rate, I warned a friend of mine in the upper reaches of the Ontario Party, some weeks ago, that when Wayne Gretzky endorsed Patrick Brown, it was serious trouble for Mr. Brown’s opposition. And then came the seriously great campaign brochure…
At any, any, rate, the MPP who needs to resign his seat for Mr. Brown’s by-election is none other than Jim Wilson, also from the Barrie area (Simcoe County), who is currently interim leader in the legislature. While Mr. Wilson has served honourably over the years, he was a consistent problem on many issues for the Harris government, which problem we won’t go into at this time (I was stunned that he was voted by caucus as interim leader, actually). No trading seats, Jim: do the right thing and leave — permanently.
I was involved for many years as local PC riding president here in Wasaga Beach (Simcoe-West) for Jim. He held several prominent cabinet positions and has always, and continues, to stay in touch with his predominately rural riding on a regular basis. That said he has been there long enough. Jim has done as best he could to assist in the concerns of his riding but a fresh face sometimes is needed not a dynasty.
As long as Jim does not drag the bible out and start pounding, as a conservative he should do well in the next election. Hudat is an incompetent, nuff said.
Many atheist cons, agnostic cons, and some marginally religious cons get turned off by bible thumpers and won’t show up on vote day. The same is true for centrists.
People like strad are a huge turn off for people who want elected officials to separate church and gov’t work. Religion is personal, so keep such
He is still the MP for Barrie, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. He has not indicated when he will resign his seat.
It is going to be hard for him to attack Wynne et al, when he is at the trough himself.
Why elect an anti-abortion, anti-evolution, anti-gay marriage candidate? Right wingers need to give up this fight against an un-winnable culture war. Cameron just won in the secular cesspool of the UK, notice how he never mentions any of this sh*t?
Focus on the economy. Then again, that didn’t work in ‘Berta…