33 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: State Of Anorexia Envirosa”

  1. One difference between California and Ontario: in California the leftist rulers want to be left alone to
    wreck their state; in Ontario the leftist rulers wand federal money to keep Ontario afloat so that it can
    be comprehensively wrecked.
    In both countries, some federal politicians think that a more direct intervention might be in order. In any
    event, California is important to the US economy, and Ontario is, unfortunately, important to the Canadian
    economy.

  3. Dystopian…I’m not sure that I follow your train of thought. Care to elaborate?
    Thanx Simon

  4. My vote goes for being fair and reasonable. Both the Endangered Species Act and the EPA started out reasonable but have turned into monsters. Requiring them to provide 100% compensation to those affected would probably slow them down. As I said yesterday it take Top Men advising politicians to really make a mess of things. Too many (all?) of these people have never worked outside of government agencies or academia.
    I find it incomprehensible that there is no other way to save the smelt other than starving the farmers of water. With today’s technology and ability to manage water there’s no way that’s possible. If true then I’ll side with the humans in this case. California seems determined to drive people off their land and livelihoods all over the state so I don’t have much respect for them at all. That alone is probably the best argument for breaking up the state into three or four smaller states. Some parts have already voted for secession.

  5. Dystopian doesn’t think much of the hominids which inhabit California.
    My only experience in California is a week at UC Berkeley and SF. At least in those parts, water is everything. With
    water, a green paradise; without water, sun-baked desert.

  6. Actually, it is the hominids inhabiting California that don’t think much of other hominids. The Malthusians have taken over and will not stop until they are stopped by a greater force. They are insane and beyond reason. Personally, I intend to simply keep moving out of reach of their malevolence because I do not see anyone or anything capable of defeating them.

  7. at one time I think in the late 60s, the years of confidence in engineering there was a plan to move water from the north including Canada to California .
    of course the never sell water from Canada brigade would never allow it now
    the USA sells Canada water everyday in the form of Desanti, Chardonnay, Canned tomatoes.Fresh vegetables , fruit, florida orange juice(16$ a glass)and stuff our liberal overloads deem necessary to life

  8. But the good news is: The judge and the lawyers still have a job! Whew! What a relief! How else would they pay for the new pool & BMW?

  9. Following the premise of the ESA will result in the eventual extinction of the human race, one minority polity after another. The Smelt, like virtually all of the listings could be “saved” from extinction by privatization or domestication. In their case, a network of several aquariums could maintain viable numbers of redundant populations for less cost than your average legal action aimed at de-industrialization from the Bench. The farmers could cover the cost for a few pennies per head of lettuce. That’s assuming that less water in the Delta would actually drive the Smelt to extinction.
    Another example, the Spotted Owl which, even without human influence will eventually go extinct thanks to natural selection, but with the ESA, a half trillion dollars of timber assets now lose 5 billion a year AND the bureaucrats have initiated a Bard Owl shooting program to play God (in futility) in order to justify the initial intervention. Greens would rather see a species go extinct “in the wild” than preserve it in a zoo. To survive on this planet you cannot manage every hectare for every species and interest group.
    Another problem is the socialized system of water use where the users are currently subsidized but with no (water) property rights and are prone to political pimping with the most votes bought from the Bay Area.

  10. “The Malthusians have taken over and will not stop until they are stopped by a greater force. They are insane and beyond reason.”
    EXACTLY. Save the planet. Take out the humans.
    PETA freaks are of the same brand of insanity.

  11. On the bright side, having denied reality, it now rolls around to bite the secular anti-humanists.
    If not this drought, probably the one following.
    Following in the footsteps of Detroit, the cities of California hold sway over the more conservative counties.
    The businesses are moving, changing shape and adapting, government revenue falls every season.
    Twice the population for the same water storage?
    Kleptocracy is naked in all levels of government.
    I would not be surprised to find inland citizens plotting to mine the San Andreas Fault.
    We Canadians could help, provide our local do-gooders with an allowance and banish them to San Fran.
    Where they will fit right in….Water comes from the tap… money comes from the government… food from the supermarket.. steak in a plastic wrap.. killing animals is bad..
    And the local loons are armed.

  12. The FTA means that if Canada ever started to sell water to California then they could never stop selling water to California.
    Even if it was in Canada’s national interest to stop they would have to compensate California for the loss.
    That is why Canada should never cede sovereignty of it’s water resources to free trade.

  13. Here’s the farce in the whole situation. The delta smelt is doomed anyways thanks to government meddling with the ecosystem. From 1879 to the 1980s several species of bass have been introduced to the inland waters of California, for the enjoyment of sports fishermen. The Sacramento-San Joaquin delta is one of the top 10 bass fishing spots in the USA. What do bass eat? Smelt, of course, and lots of them. So the California Dept of Fish & Wildlife has doomed the delta smelt by introducing voracious predators and in response the US Fish and Wildlife Service has intervened legally in order to divert fresh water into the delta in order to increase the smelt population. This will also help the bass population increase in numbers and they will eat more smelt.
    The only solution to the problem is to reduce the bass population in the delta by reversing the catch and release policy for bass, maybe even putting a bounty on them.
    http://fishbio.com/field-notes/other-fish-species/the-delta-californias-big-bass-lake

  16. That’s the first I heard of that. If that’s what’s happening then the farmers should be protesting like Parisians or maybe even militant French farmers.

  17. Let me get this right. You are telling me there is enough water to cover every arable acre of land to a depth of 8 inches that is being poured into the ocean so the idle rich can catch and release an invasive species. Next thing you’re going to tell me is that they vote Democrat.

  18. To the eco-freaks the life of one smelt is more important then the entire human population of California.

  19. Judging from what I observe of the entire human population of Kalifornika, how are the eco-freaks wrong? I know, we get into that biblical argument “will you not destroy it if i can find three upright men?”

  20. The USA also generously floods the plains of Manitoba and dumps tons of good soil on the fields.
    I don’t know why the Yanks have never thought of draining off some water at the mouth of the Columbia River and piping it to California. Maybe it’s just too costly.
    Flow at the river’s mouth is 6 million gallons per second,all running into the Pacific,surely some could be taken without any adverse effects.
    The tragedy in the San Joaquin valley is that so many hard working people are victim to a three-inch fish. A lot of the food they produce probably ends up right here in Canader.

  21. When will Canadians wake up and realize the real reason that USA $’s have been coming into Canada through the Tides Foundation to fight against oil pipelines to coastal shipping? If Canada starts shipping 6 million bpd of crude to international buyers Canada will be rich enough to say no to water export plans to States like California. Yes, rich enough to protect Canadian claims in the Artic.
    It will be the same reason that opposition parties in the upcoming federal election will also receive money from outside the country. Defeating PMSH will be a top priority. His policies directly threaten the national security of many OPEC countries, Russia and the USA.

  22. Luckily, the artificial drought, which was sponsored by Nancy Pelosi, also lowered land values throughout the San Joaquin valley, thus allowing that land – some of the richest farmland in North America – to be more cheaply acquired for the high-speed rail boondoggle project that was awarded solely to her husband’s construction company even though his company had no previous experience with high-speed rail.
    So we got that going for us…

  24. Why will no one organize and march? With 17% unemployment, you would think that the local Republicans could organize these people, commandeer local school buses ( imagine the sight on the local news!), and flood Sacramento with angry people. That, I guarantee you, would make the hyper liberal coastal politicians think twice, especially if all those angry people came with pitchforks and flaming brands ( or their modern equivalent).
    Oh right, the Republicans won’t because they are really little different than the coastal liberals, and they want, deep down, the situation to survive and flourish. Viva the smelt, down with the people.

  25. Well on the other hand, there are a lot of bike builders and parts manufacturers there.(no,not the spandex junk hugging type of biker,either:)

  26. LC, the dams on the major rivers were built in the ’40s. If the smelt were affected by water being diverted to agriculture the population decline should have started then. The smelt life cycle is one year, just like salmon they return to the stream in which they were spawned to procreate and die. If the population were to have started declining by 2% each year the population in 1980 would have been less than 70% of what it was in 1940.
    The smelt population did not start to decline until 40 years later in the ’80s when a Florida native species of largemouth bass was introduced to California. The largemouth is a very invasive species and a voracious predator.
    Given the choice between blaming humans for the problem or another species of fish, the environmentalists chose those evil farmers who are only trying to grow food for people. In the environmentalists books, farmers are double plus evil in that they change the ecosystem by plowing under weeds, use pesticides to control insects and plant GMO crops.

  27. That explanation would not surprise me at all. The first time I read in a major popular science magazine, Natural Geographic, that the development of the agricultural society was a terrible mistake I wrote it off as a lone lunatic. Then I began noticing that this stupid idea was appearing more and more often. Worse, certain political types seemed susceptible to the message. If “progress is evil” is an accepted idea in the bureaucracy then it would partially explain the stupidity of their decisions. I think that’s how the ESA and EPA have turned into monsters and why citizens and industry are treated like enemies.

  28. I don’t know why the Yanks have never thought of draining off some water at the mouth of the Columbia River and piping it to California. Maybe it’s just too costly. Flow at the river’s mouth is 6 million gallons per second,all running into the Pacific,surely some could be taken without any adverse effects.
    Exactly… it’s yet another insurmountable opportunity. An undersea pipeline down the coast would be relatively easy compared with other solutions.
    If other countries want to buy Canadian water we can sell it to them at the river mouth when we’re done with it. ‘Bring Your Own Tankers’

  29. What does Bonneville Dam, OR and the Mission Bridge, BC have in common? You can google it.
    Maybe eating food grown in pig sh*t doesn’t make a person smarter.

  30. Largemouth, a voracious predator.
    –
    20,000 Largemouth are caught and released each year.
    Those twenty thousand eat millions of 2-3 inch smelt including their eggs.
    Present Obumbles will inform us read from a prompter,
    Friday that a billion dollars for CLIMATE CHANGE will reverse the course of nature.
    Infected Media, Infected Environ-mental Doomsters.

  32. We have neighbors, both Liberal grads from UC Berkeley…the husband is an environmental lawyer,
    a good buddy of Jerry Brown and the wife is just a Liberal. One night my wife and I were invited
    to dinner and the subject of water for agriculture and water to save the smelt came up. The wife made a
    statement that made my jaw drop but was probably current liberal thinking. She said, regarding
    water for agriculture: ” I Don’t understand why they need to grow all those crops in the central
    valley.” It was all I could do to bite my tongue and say: ” That agriculture feeds the world.”

  33. Reading up on the smelts does not say what part they play in the food chain, but generally speaking, small fish like this play a significant role in the food chain. So that would explain their importance. likely this has water shortage has been a long time coming and the cause is also likely more complex than just the fish. I also suspect that there are many guilty parties including the farmers (or some farm corporations)that created more fields than they knew they had water for. Even if the smelt issue went away, this issue would likely rear it’s head yet again. Riverine systems and lakes can only tolerate a certain amount of extraction before a whole mess of problems start to happen.
    I suspect poor planning, greed, the inability to say no early on and natural variances in climate are the true background to this story, with the smelts being the final act.

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