A lesson that Conservative Party bright bulbs have yet to learn.
39 Replies to “Pleasing Your Enemies Does Not Turn Them Into Friends”
Send your used compact fluorescent bulbs to an MP (your own, Lizzie May, a relevant Minister,) at the House of Commons, for safe disposal.
In the past I’ve sent my dead CFLs to the David Suzuki Foundation. With the address of the nearest NHL team, of course, in case someone got the bright idea of charging with trying to poison the little idiot with mercury.
This is the attitude that conservatives need to show when they’re in control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc
Enough with this Mr Nice Guy stuff. Reverse the harmful policies that the progressives have followed and cut needless programs with an axe.
Imagine the jobs if Canada were to allow manufacturing of the old bulbs here?
I hope my outside fixtures can handle 150 watts because the spinny bulbs don’t work outside at minus 40, at least for several minutes.
In winter I turn on the lights outside the doors as soon as it is dark and leave them on all night. If we need light out there we don’t want to wait for them to warm up. And they are fluorescent, so turning them on and off frequently for short periods of use isn’t efficient. Compared to incandescent bulbs they are efficient for continuous use.
This is just another case of city thinking that does not work in rural areas. I need 100w bulbs for my well pump housing to prevent freezing in the winter. Also for my unheated garage , porch and dog house because like everything else “green” the twisty excuses for light don’t work well in the cold and I need the heat as much as the light. Not everyone lives in a apartment but the thinking behind this type of legislation must be straight out of california where they have no idea what a Canadian winter means. Too much nanny state. Way too much.
Question: do we even have any factories in Canada still making or able to make regular incandescent bulbs? Fat lot of good it will do to reverse the ban, if all we can get are crap bulbs from China.
Rant: let’s quit bleating about the mercury in CFL’s. Look, nearly all of us have used regular old tubular fluorescents for years and years, and those things have way more mercury in them than do the CFL’s, especially the older ones. We, of all people, should know that those hazmat responses are written mainly by lawyers, and are needlessly complicated because of the CYA syndrome. The tiny amount of metallic mercury in a fluorescent lamp of any kind is simply not a huge risk to one’s health or well-being.
The real problem with CFL’s is that they are more expensive than incandescents, and they have a high rate of early failure. The good ones can last a long time, and work fine in certain applications, but too many die an early death. Incandescents are much, much, more consistent.
I note that in the USA, 37 and 55 watt incandescents are now seen in the stores. Maybe that is the answer for us, too.
For any of you who live near the border and have a mail drop in the US, I suggest you go here and order some 100w bulbs. http://www.newcandescent.com/
I think that the danger due to the amount of mercury in CFC bulbs is grossly exaggerated.
I dropped a bulb in the wash basin of our washroom. I just picked up the pieces and threw them in the garbage can.
Nobody died or was in any way affected by the mercury.
When I was a kid I used to put mercury in my mouth to feel the weight.
It has never affected my brain, except that in due time I became a conservative.
Well I have signed the petition and joined her twitter followers. I also have been stock piling for a couple years incandescent lightbulbs!!
Is it illegal for me to sell them on kijji ?
Contrary to what you have stated above gordy baby! it’s about choice and competition!!
I am very disappointed that Brian Lilley didn’t acknowledge the source of his opening paragraph. I find his the most watchable of Sun’s evening shows, and I expected better. I know a number of Ms Gallant’s constituents, and she certainly seems to have her ear to the ground on this issue (and several others as well).
LED lights are white light which the human eye has trouble dealing with and the Chinese-made “green” coil light bulbs have mercury in them. Mercury. SEE: Mad Hatter.
Send all of your useless coil lights, ect to your MP and keep doing so until one gets the safer and more effective light bulbs one was used to freely buying.
GE pushed this through in the US and they closed down the last incandescent bulb factory in the US so they can import their more profitable squiggly bulbs from their factory in China.
The enviromentalists were useful idiots
The flat panel OLED lights will be along soon – just stick them on the wall or ceiling. But incandescents have their uses and the government should get out of our lives.
I just sent Iglukluk (sp?) an email on this issue titled Incandescent Rage.
Yep – it’s one of those moves that pisses off large swatches of the Conservative base and won’t get a single vote from the enviro-left, who’ll still be complaining about other enviro-issues like pipelines, tankers, fracking, insufficient funding of wind and solar, etc etc etc.
Osumashi (1:59 PM), white light is fine, for my eyes at least; what I really can’t stand is that ghoulish green/blue twisty-bulb light, and florescent lighting in general. A couple of weeks ago, while stocking up on 100/150W incandescents, I bought a 19W “warm white” LED (the equivalent light output to a 100W incandescent, although it honestly seems a bit brighter than that) for the room I spend most of my time in, and I have to admit that the colour of the light is quite pleasant, not like the twisty bulbs that tend to make everyone look like they have cancer or are overdue for a kidney transplant.
If the government left these things to consumer choice I think that – over time – a lot of people would eventually switch from incandescents to LEDs, especially as the technology improves. I mean, a bulb that has a pleasant hue, uses just 19 watts, and lasts (supposedly) for over 22 years would eventually sell on its own merits, IMO, without government meddling.
Lilley’s main point is that by trying to please the greens,their enemies,the Conservatives are pissing all over their friends, US!
As I posted at the link,I expect the Harper government to;address the marketing Boards issue,iow close’em down, expunge Bill C-68, and expose the AGW/CC scam for what it is,instead of trying to suckhole to the green zealots. And F*** carbon taxes!
The Australians have denounced the AGW scammers and their political world hasn’t ended.
Those of us who possess a PAL, will again have to pay a $65 fee for the privilege of touching a scary gun. They cancelled the fee four years ago, so why bring it back? And there’s no Senior’s discount on the fee.
The Conservatives believe their constituency will never leave them due, in part, to the fact the opposition is is led by people we find abhorrent and would never vote for. True, but,in despair,many Conservatives will vote by NOT going out to vote when they’re discouraged enough,and we’ll have PM Teethandhair by default.
And when some blue-haired lady trills, “but isn’t he handsome!”, I’ll try to keep lunch down.
As an electrical engineer, don’t even get me started on this light bulb banning nonsense…blood pressure already rising as I type this…don’t know where to start with such stupidity…not to mention consumers are *not* being served by this ban at all. Plus the supposed benefits of other lighting technologies are exaggerated, etc. etc. Bit like when they wanted to ban plasma TVs in California.
The other thing that pleasing your enemies does is that it makes **your core supporters less enthusiastic** (I just hope that someone with a brain in the Conservative party is reading this). It is getting harder and harder to send off money to the Conservatives, I might as well just admit it…
Cheryl Gallant has been on this for some months. Sign her petition
It is possible the senior conservatives have Libtards as political advisors?, cause they are actively destroying their base support.
This ridiculous ban, is classic PC batshit crazy behaviour.
The half assed repeal of C68, is worse than insulting.
The use of the list of persons licensed to possess a firearm, is now an official tool of the RCMP, they brag about such use on their website.
Even more draconian than the long gun registry.
The failure to act in a fiscally responsible manner,
The continuation of nanny state crud, the Human rights commissions, CBC,…
If they do not act like conservatives, why bother to vote for them?
One way, the way of Pierre the Idiot, we crash and burn, Detroit becomes our future.
The other way? We fizzle to a stop,crushed by the cost of compliance, awash in bureaucratic expertise,Zimbabwe being that future.
Unless the paid actors in Ottawa start performing to a better script, the malaise will spread ever faster.
If I am being “governed” by Kleptocrats, why would I voluntarily produce anything?
Unless reforms and repeal of idiocy become much more pronounced in our federal government, I will deliberately vote for destruction.
Just-in will become our new dear leader, for the simple fact that crashing and burning is far less painful than death by slow drip, our children might have a future, if we allow the bandits, thieves and fools that infest our government a free hand.
Hasten the end.
Mailing burnt out CFL bulbs to your MPs office will get their attention but will cost you the time and postage. Alternately, if you M.P. has a nearby office or one you pass nearby to, drop off the expired bulbs at that office.
The populism that brought the Conservatives to power can rattle their cage.
If we can’t rattle their cage then we are the ones in the cage!
The only thing the Conservatives gain from this stupid tokenism is contempt – from the left and the right.
Stupid Conservatives. Do you really think anything will change by protesting with letters, emails, phone calls, prayer, commenting on SDA, etc. The only way change will come is when we march on Ottawa and actually demand change. Give the government a choice … either change or we will throw you literally out. Governments make too many stupid and immoral choices. Settlers left Europe and settled in north America to escape from oppressive governments. Now there is no place left to flee to. So stand up and fight.
“Contrary to what you have stated above gordy baby! it’s about choice and competition!!”
Yep.
This banning of a consumer choice is fascist totalitarianism.
Not only that, but pretending to rescind this dick decision a few years back was sneaky and underhanded.
No Conservative government would implement such a law, these guys are fakes.
Everyone attending a local Conservative meeting should bring all their old swirly tubes. I haven’t went since the locals elected a holy roller on an anti-abortion platform, me being a fiscal Conservative with a bit of libertarianism, not the fascist variety.
I think you can still buy those screw-in adapters that will give you allow you to burn two bulbs from the one socket.
Of course, that would mean that you are actually using 120 watts as opposed to the 100 watts previously, but if you can handle the extra guilt that comes with knowing you are destroying the planet a bit quicker, it may be the way to go. Be careful if there is a covering over your fixture as the bulbs may be too close and cause some melting .
I used to interact daily with seniors on fixed incomes. The higher electricity rates strained their budgets and still do. There was some real choices made between heat and decent food. Now the friggin greenies are throwing lighting into the mix.
If you are living close to the line, you will not spend $10 on a light bulb. This year you will use the 60 watters, next year, who knows ?
They have to eat, they have to stay warm, and adequate lighting would be a plus. The idiots that are saving the planet should all be put on a slow boat to Antartica.
People who dwell in in shacks and other small building here in the north have already noticed.
You get no heat from these govt imposed glow bulbs, the lights crap and if you have let the heat run down or be switched off at -30C, you now can’t see to get your systems up and running again.
People with larger homes have noticed an increase in their heating fuel burn.
Government, here to help you.
Freeze in the dark.
The white light, I find, is not good enough for me. One must also consider the light that the human eye can see and adapt to. It’s the mercury thing that bothers me the most.
Wally,
“If you are living close to the line, you will not spend $10 on a light bulb. This year you will use the 60 watters, next year, who knows ?
They have to eat, they have to stay warm, and adequate lighting would be a plus. The idiots that are saving the planet should all be put on a slow boat to Antartica. ”
Right on man, they will not stop. If you live in your own home mortgage free in your retirement, these people “the greenies” are determined to make it unaffordable. Any politician that puts a green agenda on the table as their platform should be defeated, PERIOD.
I just want to be clear that I was referring to the quality of light from the newer-generation LEDs, not the twisty/mercury bulbs that (IMO) make people look ghoulish.
When you say you say the white light isn’t good enough for you, are you referring to LEDs or the mini-florescent twisty-bulbs?
Here here Al, the party is over for liberals.
In your face STFU. Enough, facts are irrelevant to them, so we need to call a spade a spade, these people are commies. Not progressives, or lefties, or liberals, but commies. Call them all commies. That will register with most people – not sure on the younger set though.
I don’t think that even the Conservatives are stupid enough to think that this kind of mindless appeasement would win the green vote. The real reason for the incandescent light bulb ban is to appease the Media who could potentially swing-away the vote of the mushy mindless middle with incessant attacks on the Conservatives if they refused to play monkey-see monkey-do with green US policy. Besides, it’s not as if their base would abandon them and vote Libertarian or anything.
Read somewhere a while back that an entrepreneurial type in Europe was re-labeling and selling traditional lamps as incandescent space heaters.
Clever work-around.
I read that too, I think it was in Germany. What’s ironic (environmentally speaking) is that by building them to increase the ratio of emitted heat to light – i.e., making the bulbs less efficient — he was able (at the time, anyway) to bypass regulations by turning the the bulbs into heaters, by definition of the law, instead of light-bulbs.
My thoughts exactly.
The link to stopthelightbulbban.ca (formerly supported by Cheryl Gallant MP) now takes you to her web page and the petition has disappeared.
Looks like the PMO boys in the short pants have told her not to stand up for her constituents, and she obeyed.
Send your used compact fluorescent bulbs to an MP (your own, Lizzie May, a relevant Minister,) at the House of Commons, for safe disposal.
In the past I’ve sent my dead CFLs to the David Suzuki Foundation. With the address of the nearest NHL team, of course, in case someone got the bright idea of charging with trying to poison the little idiot with mercury.
This is the attitude that conservatives need to show when they’re in control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc
Enough with this Mr Nice Guy stuff. Reverse the harmful policies that the progressives have followed and cut needless programs with an axe.
Imagine the jobs if Canada were to allow manufacturing of the old bulbs here?
I hope my outside fixtures can handle 150 watts because the spinny bulbs don’t work outside at minus 40, at least for several minutes.
In winter I turn on the lights outside the doors as soon as it is dark and leave them on all night. If we need light out there we don’t want to wait for them to warm up. And they are fluorescent, so turning them on and off frequently for short periods of use isn’t efficient. Compared to incandescent bulbs they are efficient for continuous use.
This is just another case of city thinking that does not work in rural areas. I need 100w bulbs for my well pump housing to prevent freezing in the winter. Also for my unheated garage , porch and dog house because like everything else “green” the twisty excuses for light don’t work well in the cold and I need the heat as much as the light. Not everyone lives in a apartment but the thinking behind this type of legislation must be straight out of california where they have no idea what a Canadian winter means. Too much nanny state. Way too much.
Question: do we even have any factories in Canada still making or able to make regular incandescent bulbs? Fat lot of good it will do to reverse the ban, if all we can get are crap bulbs from China.
Rant: let’s quit bleating about the mercury in CFL’s. Look, nearly all of us have used regular old tubular fluorescents for years and years, and those things have way more mercury in them than do the CFL’s, especially the older ones. We, of all people, should know that those hazmat responses are written mainly by lawyers, and are needlessly complicated because of the CYA syndrome. The tiny amount of metallic mercury in a fluorescent lamp of any kind is simply not a huge risk to one’s health or well-being.
The real problem with CFL’s is that they are more expensive than incandescents, and they have a high rate of early failure. The good ones can last a long time, and work fine in certain applications, but too many die an early death. Incandescents are much, much, more consistent.
I note that in the USA, 37 and 55 watt incandescents are now seen in the stores. Maybe that is the answer for us, too.
For any of you who live near the border and have a mail drop in the US, I suggest you go here and order some 100w bulbs.
http://www.newcandescent.com/
I think that the danger due to the amount of mercury in CFC bulbs is grossly exaggerated.
I dropped a bulb in the wash basin of our washroom. I just picked up the pieces and threw them in the garbage can.
Nobody died or was in any way affected by the mercury.
When I was a kid I used to put mercury in my mouth to feel the weight.
It has never affected my brain, except that in due time I became a conservative.
I found this enlightening article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/realestate/led-bulbs-we-test-the-new-products-to-find-out-who-has-the-bright-stuff/2013/12/19/58119954-6766-11e3-a0b9-249bbb34602c_story.html?tid=hpModule_6032d2d6-919e-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239
Well I have signed the petition and joined her twitter followers. I also have been stock piling for a couple years incandescent lightbulbs!!
Is it illegal for me to sell them on kijji ?
Contrary to what you have stated above gordy baby! it’s about choice and competition!!
I am very disappointed that Brian Lilley didn’t acknowledge the source of his opening paragraph. I find his the most watchable of Sun’s evening shows, and I expected better. I know a number of Ms Gallant’s constituents, and she certainly seems to have her ear to the ground on this issue (and several others as well).
LED lights are white light which the human eye has trouble dealing with and the Chinese-made “green” coil light bulbs have mercury in them. Mercury. SEE: Mad Hatter.
Send all of your useless coil lights, ect to your MP and keep doing so until one gets the safer and more effective light bulbs one was used to freely buying.
GE pushed this through in the US and they closed down the last incandescent bulb factory in the US so they can import their more profitable squiggly bulbs from their factory in China.
The enviromentalists were useful idiots
The flat panel OLED lights will be along soon – just stick them on the wall or ceiling. But incandescents have their uses and the government should get out of our lives.
I just sent Iglukluk (sp?) an email on this issue titled Incandescent Rage.
Yep – it’s one of those moves that pisses off large swatches of the Conservative base and won’t get a single vote from the enviro-left, who’ll still be complaining about other enviro-issues like pipelines, tankers, fracking, insufficient funding of wind and solar, etc etc etc.
Osumashi (1:59 PM), white light is fine, for my eyes at least; what I really can’t stand is that ghoulish green/blue twisty-bulb light, and florescent lighting in general. A couple of weeks ago, while stocking up on 100/150W incandescents, I bought a 19W “warm white” LED (the equivalent light output to a 100W incandescent, although it honestly seems a bit brighter than that) for the room I spend most of my time in, and I have to admit that the colour of the light is quite pleasant, not like the twisty bulbs that tend to make everyone look like they have cancer or are overdue for a kidney transplant.
If the government left these things to consumer choice I think that – over time – a lot of people would eventually switch from incandescents to LEDs, especially as the technology improves. I mean, a bulb that has a pleasant hue, uses just 19 watts, and lasts (supposedly) for over 22 years would eventually sell on its own merits, IMO, without government meddling.
Lilley’s main point is that by trying to please the greens,their enemies,the Conservatives are pissing all over their friends, US!
As I posted at the link,I expect the Harper government to;address the marketing Boards issue,iow close’em down, expunge Bill C-68, and expose the AGW/CC scam for what it is,instead of trying to suckhole to the green zealots. And F*** carbon taxes!
The Australians have denounced the AGW scammers and their political world hasn’t ended.
Those of us who possess a PAL, will again have to pay a $65 fee for the privilege of touching a scary gun. They cancelled the fee four years ago, so why bring it back? And there’s no Senior’s discount on the fee.
The Conservatives believe their constituency will never leave them due, in part, to the fact the opposition is is led by people we find abhorrent and would never vote for. True, but,in despair,many Conservatives will vote by NOT going out to vote when they’re discouraged enough,and we’ll have PM Teethandhair by default.
And when some blue-haired lady trills, “but isn’t he handsome!”, I’ll try to keep lunch down.
As an electrical engineer, don’t even get me started on this light bulb banning nonsense…blood pressure already rising as I type this…don’t know where to start with such stupidity…not to mention consumers are *not* being served by this ban at all. Plus the supposed benefits of other lighting technologies are exaggerated, etc. etc. Bit like when they wanted to ban plasma TVs in California.
The other thing that pleasing your enemies does is that it makes **your core supporters less enthusiastic** (I just hope that someone with a brain in the Conservative party is reading this). It is getting harder and harder to send off money to the Conservatives, I might as well just admit it…
Cheryl Gallant has been on this for some months. Sign her petition
It is possible the senior conservatives have Libtards as political advisors?, cause they are actively destroying their base support.
This ridiculous ban, is classic PC batshit crazy behaviour.
The half assed repeal of C68, is worse than insulting.
The use of the list of persons licensed to possess a firearm, is now an official tool of the RCMP, they brag about such use on their website.
Even more draconian than the long gun registry.
The failure to act in a fiscally responsible manner,
The continuation of nanny state crud, the Human rights commissions, CBC,…
If they do not act like conservatives, why bother to vote for them?
One way, the way of Pierre the Idiot, we crash and burn, Detroit becomes our future.
The other way? We fizzle to a stop,crushed by the cost of compliance, awash in bureaucratic expertise,Zimbabwe being that future.
Unless the paid actors in Ottawa start performing to a better script, the malaise will spread ever faster.
If I am being “governed” by Kleptocrats, why would I voluntarily produce anything?
Unless reforms and repeal of idiocy become much more pronounced in our federal government, I will deliberately vote for destruction.
Just-in will become our new dear leader, for the simple fact that crashing and burning is far less painful than death by slow drip, our children might have a future, if we allow the bandits, thieves and fools that infest our government a free hand.
Hasten the end.
Mailing burnt out CFL bulbs to your MPs office will get their attention but will cost you the time and postage. Alternately, if you M.P. has a nearby office or one you pass nearby to, drop off the expired bulbs at that office.
The populism that brought the Conservatives to power can rattle their cage.
If we can’t rattle their cage then we are the ones in the cage!
The only thing the Conservatives gain from this stupid tokenism is contempt – from the left and the right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv59PJ30WeM
PAL is $80 not $65.
Stupid Conservatives. Do you really think anything will change by protesting with letters, emails, phone calls, prayer, commenting on SDA, etc. The only way change will come is when we march on Ottawa and actually demand change. Give the government a choice … either change or we will throw you literally out. Governments make too many stupid and immoral choices. Settlers left Europe and settled in north America to escape from oppressive governments. Now there is no place left to flee to. So stand up and fight.
“Contrary to what you have stated above gordy baby! it’s about choice and competition!!”
Yep.
This banning of a consumer choice is fascist totalitarianism.
Not only that, but pretending to rescind this dick decision a few years back was sneaky and underhanded.
No Conservative government would implement such a law, these guys are fakes.
Everyone attending a local Conservative meeting should bring all their old swirly tubes. I haven’t went since the locals elected a holy roller on an anti-abortion platform, me being a fiscal Conservative with a bit of libertarianism, not the fascist variety.
I think you can still buy those screw-in adapters that will give you allow you to burn two bulbs from the one socket.
Of course, that would mean that you are actually using 120 watts as opposed to the 100 watts previously, but if you can handle the extra guilt that comes with knowing you are destroying the planet a bit quicker, it may be the way to go. Be careful if there is a covering over your fixture as the bulbs may be too close and cause some melting .
I used to interact daily with seniors on fixed incomes. The higher electricity rates strained their budgets and still do. There was some real choices made between heat and decent food. Now the friggin greenies are throwing lighting into the mix.
If you are living close to the line, you will not spend $10 on a light bulb. This year you will use the 60 watters, next year, who knows ?
They have to eat, they have to stay warm, and adequate lighting would be a plus. The idiots that are saving the planet should all be put on a slow boat to Antartica.
People who dwell in in shacks and other small building here in the north have already noticed.
You get no heat from these govt imposed glow bulbs, the lights crap and if you have let the heat run down or be switched off at -30C, you now can’t see to get your systems up and running again.
People with larger homes have noticed an increase in their heating fuel burn.
Government, here to help you.
Freeze in the dark.
The white light, I find, is not good enough for me. One must also consider the light that the human eye can see and adapt to. It’s the mercury thing that bothers me the most.
Wally,
“If you are living close to the line, you will not spend $10 on a light bulb. This year you will use the 60 watters, next year, who knows ?
They have to eat, they have to stay warm, and adequate lighting would be a plus. The idiots that are saving the planet should all be put on a slow boat to Antartica. ”
Right on man, they will not stop. If you live in your own home mortgage free in your retirement, these people “the greenies” are determined to make it unaffordable. Any politician that puts a green agenda on the table as their platform should be defeated, PERIOD.
I just want to be clear that I was referring to the quality of light from the newer-generation LEDs, not the twisty/mercury bulbs that (IMO) make people look ghoulish.
When you say you say the white light isn’t good enough for you, are you referring to LEDs or the mini-florescent twisty-bulbs?
Here here Al, the party is over for liberals.
In your face STFU. Enough, facts are irrelevant to them, so we need to call a spade a spade, these people are commies. Not progressives, or lefties, or liberals, but commies. Call them all commies. That will register with most people – not sure on the younger set though.
I don’t think that even the Conservatives are stupid enough to think that this kind of mindless appeasement would win the green vote. The real reason for the incandescent light bulb ban is to appease the Media who could potentially swing-away the vote of the mushy mindless middle with incessant attacks on the Conservatives if they refused to play monkey-see monkey-do with green US policy. Besides, it’s not as if their base would abandon them and vote Libertarian or anything.
Read somewhere a while back that an entrepreneurial type in Europe was re-labeling and selling traditional lamps as incandescent space heaters.
Clever work-around.
I read that too, I think it was in Germany. What’s ironic (environmentally speaking) is that by building them to increase the ratio of emitted heat to light – i.e., making the bulbs less efficient — he was able (at the time, anyway) to bypass regulations by turning the the bulbs into heaters, by definition of the law, instead of light-bulbs.
My thoughts exactly.
The link to stopthelightbulbban.ca (formerly supported by Cheryl Gallant MP) now takes you to her web page and the petition has disappeared.
Looks like the PMO boys in the short pants have told her not to stand up for her constituents, and she obeyed.