But it isn’t even the arguments (scientific, political, economic, or logical) that gets me, as much as it is the pure inanity of the topic. It’s the fact I have to even debate this in the first place. That there are millions of mindless, conforming humans that actually believe this stuff necessitating my expenditure of calories of energy to address the idiotic and very-religious-like premises of global warming. In other words, the fact we’re arguing about something so inane proves there is a larger underlying problem than global warming itself.
From the article: “So what’s a righter-leaning person supposed to do?”
Just a reminder, hippie punching is never wrong.
I frequently have similar experiences. When their running down the corporations, I have to remind them where their pensions and healthcare come from. Kind of like talking to 12 year olds or 5th Graders. The Senior demographic group seems to be rife with idiots.
Glen Beck’s “Arguing with Idiots” is a good read.
A good article ,well worth the read.
I was asked a couple of days ago by a co-worker,”What would it take to make you believe in global warming”?
I said;”global warming”. That started his loop again.
I walked away,smiling because a few others agreed.
Three or four years ago,they ALL would have been backing him.People are starting to realize the scam going down.
If the ME continues down its path of self-destruction,our oilsands will look much better to the working class. The elite and the foolish will still be cackling about the planet,but to a diminishing crowd. With any luck ,more than a few will get punched.
Once again, every single major scientific body on the planet concurs that climate change is happening, and the vast majority support the notion that humans are driving it. (Those that don’t, merely feel we need more evidence, but they don’t deny that humans probably play a role.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
(Yes, it is wikipedia, but you can go visit the sites for those bodies to confirm for yourself that the statements are true)
Soooo that means that the topic is most likely not inane, and that it’s those who choose to refuse the conclusions of the scientific community who are the inane ones. Put that in your pipes and smoke it. I now return you to your paranoid, rightwing circlejerk.
Captain, well said.
Gunney, exactly. The problem is that the Devils keep up the propaganda and brainwashing and it seems you never can get past this for any length of time.
Right on cue, support for my earlier contention at 2:49pm.
Guys like John are what gave Koolaid a bad name at Jonestown.
Climate change has been happening since the formation of the earth and the first monkey decided to be a lefty. The human driving of it is pure unadulterated BS and meant on to facilitate Marxist control of people and their economies.
Hosts and Parasites.
Time for a bumper sticker:
“Still believe in Global Warming?
Staying stupid – people need you that way!”
Hey, John:
You’re a liar, and you know it. You don’t believe the BS you’re spewing for one god damned second. And you ain’t fooling me.
Wow, Cap – that does feel good!
And what a time-saver!!!
Shoild have read “Stay Stupid…
It’s okay John. No need for more outing.
” Those that don’t, merely feel we need more evidence, but they don’t deny that humans probably play a role ”
John probably doesn’t see the irony of his words.
Anyone want to take a bet,I say John can afford a mere $3 a litre gasoline and also can tell us all how deeply concerned he is about the plight of the poor.
It’s my opinion that the only idiots are the ones who have completely made up their mind, either way. You do not know everything and are not always right, as much as your wildly out of control ego would like you to believe. The world is VASTLY more complex than the nice simple, convenient, black-and-white place that only exists inside your mind.
But, do you really think that they’re all that depressingly stupid? I mean, surely some of them might be just playing some pretend game. You know, like a 12 year old just saying that she believes in Santa Claus to get a bit of attention, or a college student spouting the drivel for the sole purpose of trying to appear truly ‘on board’ with the great ones.
John, here’s some “consensus” for you, notwithstanding your appeal to authority fallacy, brilliantly displayed by using Wikipedia as your source:
– Global warming has stopped for now, climate change is forever. The climate models are wrong, the feedback mechanisms underpinning catastrophic AGW theory haven’t been demonstrated, anywhere, with actual observation. Doom is always postponed to some fast approaching later date.
– Nobody has to believe in AGW in order to believe in forestalling the damage caused by pollution; IOW you don’t have to buy the watermelon argument – they’re the devils duping the dupes. Instead of talking about ridiculous concepts such as climate justice, we should be focussing on the real problem of what exponentially growing pollution in the developing world means to all us. I know, John, has does that dismantle capitalism? No, it’s easier to adopt a feel good mentality, make the polluter pay (hint: look in the mirror) and rake in the cash for purely coincidental statists projects and ever larger and more intrusive government.
– Many scientists, climate or otherwise, think humans have some input in past global warming, I mean climate change, albeit very minor. There is no consensus that we are heading for a tipping point, or the planet is doomed. Think about – if that were true, then we’re all screwed because the growth alone in Chinese emissions dwarfs any reductions Canada or anyone else could make, even if we impoverished our societies.
Finally, we have 100% consensus from statists who think the solution is some giant government tax and spend program, including chasing useless energy technologies such as wind power.
So Andrew,are you saying that one should agree to some restrictions or impediments to a fulfilling life because some people believe in “global warming”?
I do believe in climate change. The nature of climate is that it will change. That is a given. I also think that we should reduce our impact on everything (environment,family,people,etc) within reason.
I do not believe that I,or others,should accept an unproven agenda. Until then,take your own sanctimonious and ” wildly out of control ego ” and put it where the big ball of fire that the alarmists ignore doesn’t shine.
If my take on your comment is wrong,please explain why.
I think the difference boils down to the fact that some us retain enough of our vestigial instincts to sniff out and avoid toxic snake shit at great distances…the others get bitten.
Good news. Global warming on earth is not affecting the sun.
New paper says no evidence of planetary influence on solar activity
Heh, like evolution, GW stopped.
With apologies to Jesus:
What or rather which side would gAlileo chose?
The massive group that has been caught serially fudging or forging the data and the analysis or those who, against massive pressure and derision looks at the reality in front of them – no significant temperature change for several years – and declare the debate very much inconclusive.
It’s pretty easy to see who the pope and cardinals are declaring heresy in the modern day, thus it is also as easy to see where the galileos of the world stand on the issue.
There’s another type: people who don’t know or care about facts or morals when it comes to ideas, but simply hold politically correct opinions because it’s what good bourgeois people do. It doesn’t occur to them that a world view could be formed on any other basis. They’re not profiting off any of it, except maybe in avoiding social discomfort. These are the people for whom some notions are just nasty and lower-class and the people who hold them are self-evidently awful. It’s just fashion. If liking Hitler was cool, they’d like Hitler. It’s all class-positioning.
John your free to believe what you wish, all we are asking is for you scratch the surface and think for yourself.. Then if you still feel that failed computer models and their rent seeking scientists and politicians are up for the task of reworking our entire society, then put up and lower your own carbon footprint by going away!
Until then your just a phony troll burning energy where its not welcome..
On a brighter note.. Australia gave the boot to their green labor party.. Seems they dont read Wikki either.. They get their reality from looking out the window.. Good for them 🙂
Harper, our lefty PM and bam bam believe in Globull warming
PM reportedly talks greenhouse gas reduction with Obama
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/09/06/pm-reportedly-talks-greenhouse-gas-reduction-with-obama
Captain: paragraph 5 – feminism – second sentence needs to be corrected.
Black Mamba is closest to my view. It’s very much a class thing. Think of the mindless use of the utterly meaningless word “sustainable” as used by liberals, as in, for example, sustainable breakfast cereals which are helping to “save the planet”. But never in sentences like “welfare statism” is not sustainable. Money does grow on trees and scarcity is a scam.
At Christmas, my daughter, who has a doctorate of music from a world renowned school and who is off the chart smart (like her mother), during a little stroll around the neighbourhood, observing a cheesy little blow up airplane with a waving Santa and a tiny motor-driven propeller, told me that it wasn’t “good for the environment”. Another empty phrase.
I was stupefied but silent. It would have been totally pointless to engage her on this topic. Needless conflict.
I’m probably older than the captain. I wouldn’t scold the liberal wielder of inane liberal platitudes.
I remain pleasant and silent.
Obviously sustainable has meaning, just not in the ways it is often used. The problem isn’t adherence to meaningless tropes but people who don’t use them as a guide to how to think about something. Instead they bounce off the the word before they get to the thought. Depending on how the word is being used in the popular conversation the direction it takes them won’t have much resemblance to reality. This is how you get highly educated people with no common sense at all. Rafting down a river stuffed with words and concepts not too many people can actually use to accurately describe and facilitate a thought they lose any ability to independently paddle and become pure drifters bouncing around to whatever random place any piece of driftwood would.
Rob, I’ll shorten your post for you, ppl trip over their egos, rather than use common sense, Me No Dhimmi above you is a perfect example of this:-))))
Obviously the Captain discounts the sterling results MSM and globalist NGO indoctrinating/propagandizing have accomplished – somewhere Edward Bernays is in a jealous rage that his experiments in mass conditioning have been perfected – instead of using MI (mass indoctrination) to sell cigarettes to women and fluoride to parents, they use it to sell junk science, junk philosophy/politics and fear monger with startling successful results. Of course Bernays didn’t have the level of dumbing down in his subjects as the present mass education system affords today’s propagandists – makes it much easier to plant triggered responses in pre-conditioned subjects.
Let’s be frank, most of the zombie hordes ground through urban culture these days have had an intellectual lobotomy courtesy of education systems and MSM which condition reactions, not critical thinking. We are conditioned to react to information (stimulus) in a predictable pattern – primarily as unquestioning, guilt-ridden global collectivist subjects (not unlike “the Borg”). Note how all these fabricated enviro-crisis are “global” in nature and require global authority and universal political/economic solutions – note how these things are always OUR fault for living a free productive life. Note that the pre-conditioned reaction is to feel guilt for all symbols of success and our freedom of choice. Meanwhile we hear nothing of true disasters we had no hand in like Fukushima, Gulf oil spills, war eco-disasters etc. are glossed over and never part of the eco-crisis narrative – do you suppose the people who have interests in these things also direct the global environmental narrative? Do you suspect the zombie hordes have any thought capacity left to see they are being manipulated?
To me, the “stupid” ones are the ones who adopt a partisan philosophy then hang around with others with the same POV so they may bask in a constantly re-enforcing feedback loop, thus safely never exposing their own beliefs to challenge.
I hear you captain.
Whether or not you believe in stuff like global warming ( It’s arguable, and even more arguable what effect humans have on it. Though what’s not arguable is the current models are crap.) it’s all the OTHER stuff.
Windmills and solar panels – obvious economic (and environmental) nonsense on any large scale.
Taxes
Excessive government
Educational malfeasance
Immigration stupidity
etc.. ad infinitum
Make the stupid stop
That’s my (offline) experience, too. I’ve met people who are decent, hardworking, kind, etc., who passively (socially) absorb propaganda from those who *actively* absorb, and then reiterate à la John, patently false “factoids” (e.g. the earth is warming in an unprecedented way, it continues to do so, it’s caused by humans, and all scientists agree) that they’ve heard from particular would-be-rulers — media talking heads, Suzuki, professors, etc.
“Fashionable” is one way to describe the opinions of the first group, but I think the main motivation of those who don’t know much about the topic is, as you put it, to avoid social discomfort; so many people want nothing more than to blend in and get along, and to not offend people, or become a target, or be accused of ignorance, so, since they’re personally uninformed and unable to back up any counterargument, they simply go with what they perceive to be the social consensus.
It’s no coincidence that the word “consensus” is continually stressed — used falsely, abused — by people like Suzuki and the Goremonger. Whenever I talk to warmists one of the first things out of their mouth is that there’s scientific consensus about AGW. It’s a bald-assed lie, of course, but since they’re unaware of all the evidence to the contrary they get almost wide-eyed with rage at your unmitigated ignorance when you point this out.
It is uncomfortable in the “have a nice day” sense, but on the other hand you’re not going to have a nice day if you just let it slide, so you just have to deal with the Moonie.
Breitbart’s “default liberals”.