The single biggest misconception about Canada’s Healthcare system.
“I just think with the amount of shortage of doctors in this town, and that it’s a government provided service, I don’t really feel that they should be able to deny,” she said.
The single biggest misconception about Canada’s Healthcare system.
“I just think with the amount of shortage of doctors in this town, and that it’s a government provided service, I don’t really feel that they should be able to deny,” she said.
Idiot. Yeah a doctor shouldn’t discriminate and then take on a pile of old codgers near death and be worked of their feet. Every GP in Canada save military ones are private businesses. It’s the only damn thing that runs ok in the whole system.
If ya don’t like ‘discrimination’ then go to a public clinic, and wait in line. The doctor I visit limits his patient load to what he can comfortably handle while providing the quality of service the patients deserve.
Every GP in Canada save military ones are private businesses.
No they’re not. Every one of them works for the government. They’re de facto employees. Government decides how they get paid, and dr’s take it, or don’t work.
Yeah well, that’s not quite right.
You are the doctor’s client and Medicare, Blue Cross or YOU pay him.
The doctor is not a subcontractor for medicare or a HMO.
The doctor has no obligation to take anyone as a patient. There is some merit to “meet and greets”….doctor/patient is a very personal relationship….it eliminates the “blind date” effect…..some folks will just not get along….doncha know….cause they’re human.
sashqatty
here in morontario many doctors are subcontractors to a health clinics, they rent a space, do their thing, make the allowable limit, and that’s it, end of song and dance. A friend used to manage a couple clinics, and I’v done construction in those clinic, and it’s all a bloody joke, about as professional as dog kennels!!
You are the doctor’s client and Medicare, Blue Cross or YOU pay him.
Uh, no, most dr’s work for the government. The state pays them. The government even tells them what treatments can be given. If a dr comes up with a novel treatment, they can’t use it until their employer tells them they can. No free enterprise allowed. No competition allowed.
Dr’s are de facto employees of the state.
Most doctors I know weed out jerks and opiod seekers on these interviews. It is pretty rare for most I work with to refuse to take someone on.
…about as professional as dog kennels!!
Yeah, I always get a kick out of doctors who call themselves ‘professionals’, when they’re no more than public servants.
If government made a rule they have to take whoever came along, doctors would have to obey. That is, if they wanted to continue to suck on the public teat.
All the real doctors left when medicare came in…what we have now are mostly the dregs who can’t make it anywhere else.
GP doctors are not state employees. They own their practice and are self employed. Canada has single insurer that pays a fee based on a structure determined by provincial government and the provincial medical association. Same things with specialists in and out of hospitals. They do not draw a salary and they are not on a provincial or national payroll.
Next time you visit a doctor for anxiety pills, if you ask, they will tell you they are self-employed.
They are paid with a state-monopoly insurance scheme, which sets the rates per service.
The state does not pay rent on the doctor’s office space or pay the doctor’s secretary. The state does not provide telephones, computers or office supplies to the doctor.
Capice?
Its all irrelevant anyway, when we allow 600,000-800,000 new immigrants each year onto the so called Free Healthcare each year and every year. That is what needs to end, that is the source of the problem. Make all Immigrants buy their own healthcare insurance, and no free healthcare for new citizens or any member of their extended families until they have contributed at least 10 years in taxes after becoming citizens. Healthcare costs are the single biggest tax bite on Provincial Budgets but nobody has enough backbone to shut off the spigot of entitlements. It is bankrupting taxpayers.
The biggest hassle for docs is the drug seekers. They are huge time wasters and can get you in trouble if you prescribe too much for them, yet they never feel get enough. They often demand a variety of letters and forms for various services. They are always looking for new doctors because their old one “didn’t care” or “kicked them out”.
Legitimate users of narcotic analgesia are harmed by the abuse that the drug seekers carry out because anyone who requires narcotics becomes demonized.
I feel regular family doctors should be entitled to weed these out.
I would not be supportive of doctors weeding out old patients just because they are medically complex, and I know of no doctors who do this (I know many doctors).
I want to know what an “opiod seeker” is. Sounds exciting.
I think Kate has the best quote ever on this subject:
“Nobody -needs- to be a doctor.”
Quick tip for Stradivarious and Maranda there, the government does not provide healthcare. Doctors do. And they don’t have to. So don’t p1ss them off.
GP doctors are not state employees. They own their practice and are self employed.
If they were self-employed they could choose to work for whomever they wished. Doctors certainly don’t work for the patient, the patient doesn’t pay the doctor. They could also choose to be paid how they wished. They can’t. Doctor’s wages are set for them.
Doctors in Canada can’t even provide a treatment not covered by the State.
That isn’t self-employment. That’s just doing the State’s bidding for the State. It isn’t even the definition of a doctor. A doctor works for the patient.
the government does not provide healthcare. Doctors do. And they don’t have to. So don’t p1ss them off.
Heh, if the State allows them to provide care. Which only proves, once again, they work for the State.
we allow 600,000-800,000 new immigrants each year onto the so called Free Healthcare each year and every year.
or as the left calls them: undocumented voters.
They work for themselves, or they work for their customers, and their customers are the patients, or the customer is the government’s health care region, blah, blah, blah. We can argue these terms forth and bacn and forth again, but as to who employs them there is employment law that makes it clear, General Practioners are self-employed, or employed by practises owned by other doctors, they are not employees of the government.
Makes me think twice about that vasectomy.
In socialist systems, you start out as a collective of equals, you end up as slaves.
Doctors will be pleased to know they have no freedom to provide their work as they see fit.
Doctors will be pleased to know they have no freedom to provide their work as they see fit.
Heh, self-employed slaves, now there’s an oxymoron. 🙂
Hey, at least it equal pay for equal work. The worst gets paid the same as the best. If they kill the patient, they still get paid. Can’t beat that.
Would make one a little nervous as a patient, not much incentive there…other than these socialist doctors care so much. heh
I have the best doctor in Canada!
He fled South Africa with his family for Canada when apartheid fell and could read the writing on the wall for white people there.
A “meet and greet” works two ways – fortunately for Islamic doctors in Canada, they can screen out infidels all day every day, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Ottawa+doctor+Christiane+Farazli+faces+disciplinary+hearing+over+alleged+disgraceful+conduct/8666626/story.html
I moved from Calgary to Newfoundland, just outside of St. John’s. My local doctor will not accept me as a new patient, even though I was his patient 12 years ago before I left.
I use a walk in clinic and the hospital emergency room as my primary care.
You know Stradivarius, usually when people in the trade tell you that you are mistaken about something the smart thing to do is listen. Do you need Loki to come on here and repeat what Kate, Sasquatch, The Phantom, Lori and a few more already told you?
You’re exemplifying the behaviour that makes people of high intelligence seek self employment. Also what drives doctors to drink. You’re the guy who’s wrong and proud of it. Your doctor is a saint for putting up with you.
If the government thinks they need doctors in small towns, perhaps they could make a point of accepting medical students from small towns instead of raiding the 3rd world for doctors. At some point the governments might have to take control of the professions as the standards they set seem to be as much about increasing income by limiting numbers as protecting the public. By increasing standards we may be providing better doctors but if we have made them too expensive to afford and people are dying because they can’t see a doctor it matters not.
Your doctor is a saint for putting up with you.
I wouldn’t let one of those socialist, public teat sucking, so-called doctors, touch me. You needn’t worry.
I’ll accept a screening interview to sign up with a new doctor, if it comes to it. Whether it is a good thing or bad will be determined by the doctor and me in concert, no matter what the rules say. I’ll start with ones who don’t charge for it, if I can find them, but I’d rather pay for it myself than have the doctor charge the rest of the taxpayers. The screening works both ways, if I don’t think a doctor is right for me I’ll try to find another, but I accept that I may have to settle for what I can get. I’d rather deal with reality and the fact that I can’t have everything I wish for than live under an ideology that serves people like Maranda in her fantasy that the governement can, should, and will provide everything.
Secondly, I have no respect for doctors who wh ore themselves out to ‘socialized medicine’ (that’s an oxymoron, if there ever was one).
So long as they continue to do so, they’re going to have to put up with people such as this woman who view them as de facto employees of the state.
And now, with electronic medical records, if requested these socialist ‘doctors’ must disclose all your medical records to the State, without consent. Lackeys of the State…self-employed, indeed…
http://canlii.ca/en/ab/laws/stat/rsa-2000-c-h-5/106363/rsa-2000-c-h-5.html
Disclosure to Minister or Department
(2) If the requirements of subsection (1) are met, the custodian must disclose the information to the Minister or the Department, as the case may be.
(4) Individually identifying health information may be disclosed under this section without the consent of the individual who is the subject of the information.
I don’t see the screening interview as a bad thing. Gives the patient a chance to screen the doctor, as well. If you don’t find what you like in a small town, you might have to go elsewhere, which is inconvenient, but one’s health is important, is it not?