39 Replies to “Gun Ban Laws: Important Lessons from Australia”

  1. And that, boys and girls is why you want to own at least one gun that is not registered along with plenty of ammo. Well hidden until if or when you need it.

  2. You’ll notice these gun banners always descend like flies on poop, in ant shooting event to dance on the graves to demand prohibition. Every country that’s went through this, its always the same scenario..

  3. I haven’t owned a rifle in over 20 years. My last one was a Cooey semi-automatic .22. I’m starting the process to get my PAL and then I’m going to stock up.

  4. It doesn’t matter. Facts, reason, logic, these things are irrelevant. It’s an emotional issue for progressives and they will not listen to whatever cogent argument is presented. Nobody is going to be swayed into suddenly supporting the right to self defense when it’s their core belief that other people should protect them. It’s not going to happen. We don’t need batter facts, we need a better strategy to shout down, block out, harass and demonize any progressive that starts flapping their piehole on the subject.

  5. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
    —H. L. Mencken
    You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. —Rahm Emanuel
    The liberals will create their gun free zones, and ban guns they don’t think look right and in those states only criminals and madmen shooters will have guns, and there will be more blood in classrooms.
    The conservatives will hire plainclothes guards for the schools in their states, and they will make sure their kids don’t get killed.
    The problem will solve itself.
    If one looks at those states that have less than 30 firearm murders there’s an obvious pattern.
    gun murders 2011
    1 Hawaii
    4 Vermont
    5 Rhode Island
    5 South Dakota
    6 New Hampshire
    6 North Dakota
    7 Montana
    11 Wyoming
    12 Maine
    16 Alaska
    17 Idaho
    19 Iowa
    26 Utah
    28 Delaware
    163 total, about the same as Canada
    Why does anybody need/want a car that can go twice the speed limit, or a backyard pool, a boat, an airplane, or anything else for that matter. Why is it anyone’s business as long as the object isn’t used criminally?
    What gives some people the belief they have the right to control the lives of other law abiding citizens?
    Some people have this OC drive to tell others how to run their lives, just because they might have toys the control freaks think they shouldn’t have, even if they’re not doing anything wrong with them. The people who have the least control over their own lives often compensate by trying to control the lives of others.
    In a free and just society it is reasonable to require those individuals who wish to operate potentially lethal devices such as motor vehicles, airplanes, power boats, and firearms, to have an operator’s license. To obtain that license a background check to establish non-criminality and no mental history and a safety / proficiency course and exam should be required. In some cases operator’s liability insurance may be appropriate.
    Just because Columbine didn’t do it correctly doesn’t invalidate the concept. Look at how the Israelis protect their schools. They don’t have the problem. Also notice I specifically referred to plainclothes guards. There will be trained and qualified vets in plainclothes in the schools. It won’t be easily recognizable who is armed or not. This works, the Israelis have proven that in one of the highest threat regions on the planet.
    A smart person looks at the success and failure of others dealing with similar problems and learns from their mistakes. None of us live long enough to make all the mistakes ourselves.
    They can choose what level of gun control they want in their community by democratic process. If it works, great. If it doesn’t work, it’s not my responsibility to fix it.

  9. We in Canada, Australia and the UK know “gun control” (as the ststist left and police officaldom see it) has nothing to do with crime control or violence control, this is about an authoritarian state claiming a monopoly on the use of deadly force and defensive deadly force to the exclusion of the public, even though they cannot guarantee our safety and stand liable for it – all the other noise is just a din from the clown circus that can’t ser the realities of statist hegemony.

  10. I haven’t owned a piece since the late 1970’s. Used to have a Browning .22 semi-automatic. Should’ve kept it. I’ve since gotten my P.A.L., and have to agree with Trent that maybe it is the time to stock up…

  14. I’d commented on this before but something ate my links!
    The over-reaction to gun violence is banning all guns which always leaves an opportunity for criminal elements to get away with their crimes. Why no one here has picked up on it is anyone’s speculation.

  15. “Criminal element” including all the collectivists.
    When ideologies like communism, Marxism, and fascism (plus all the others that are also merely criminality dressed up in pseudo-intellectual clothes) are no more, then there will be far fewer reasons for people to hold on to their guns.

  16. It could never happen in the US the way it did in Australia.
    There are far more guns, owned by far more patriots and veterans that distrust their current government along with far too many liberally created felons and gangs already owning many of the streets.
    The Liberals are too stupid to understand the hell on earth that would be released by disarming the law abiding citizens of the US. The citizens that do understand and there are millions of them, won’t give a crap what the Liberals or the government thinks.
    Regardless the US economy could not stand the economic loss including jobs of its multibillion dollar firearms industry.
    Any attempt to seriously disarm the American people would bring the country to its knees, no two ways around it, and the many more non suicidal people will “just say NO” rather than listen to the Liberal moon-bats on Prozac.

  17. hell on earth that would be released by disarming the law abiding citizens of the US. The citizens that do understand and there are millions of them, won’t give a crap what the Liberals or the government thinks.
    Any attempts at civilian disarmament would be met with harsh and pointed resistance, and who would enforce it? Police?, the Army??? not likely… A military coup is a plausible outcome of that.
    I expect they’ll fragment into zones of red states and zones of blue states. The results of the last election showed it clearly.
    It will be an interesting experiment.
    People who control blue states will try banning ‘bad stuff’.
    People who control red states will protect schools, with armed force if necessary.
    In a few years we’ll see what works and what doesn’t.

  18. north_of_60 >
    Great points, it’s a Big subject to contemplate and debate, I believe with many variables to consider.
    One thing for certain is that anti-gun people really don’t understand the passionate depths that millions of gun owners have with gun ownership. They really seem to think that it’s akin to turning in your golf clubs and retiring your club membership then moving on to a new fad.
    Stupid people a few decades of soft living does create.

  19. I don’t own a firearm. I’ve never owned a firearm. I have no real need for a firearm.
    Having said that, I am in the process of getting my PAL and when completed I will purchase a firearm.
    Why? Because it will piss off my Leftie friends and neighbors and exemplify my right to possess one.
    If the ban-a-holics hadn’t made such a fuss over firearms I probably would not have even considered it.

  20. North-of-60, its even worse that red states-blue states.. most democrats strongholds, only are possible, because of huge urban centers, which dominate the elections. The sub-urban and rural areas tend to be more conservative.. If I was an annoyed, gun owner in one of these states, bound on insurrection, I’d simply, mess up the power grids going into the cities, within 7 days, the government wouldn’t have anybody left to force their gun ban dictates with.. every police, soldier, and wannabes of both would be busy dealing with, the problems, when the EBT cards, couldn’t be used to buy their cheeto’s.. Chicago would be my first pick…

  22. I am intrigued by all the coverage given to the US gun laws issue by Canadian media. Clearly the Canadian press is obsessed with this issue. The Globe had about five feature pieces, opinion pieces — in just Saturday’s paper with many more having appeared over the past week. One particular article was intended to profile attitudes towards guns in the states (this was done by Globe writers visiting Virginia). My take on this (based on many quotes from gun owners) is that for folks in the US, guns are a normal thing (even a fun thing when it comes to collecting, hunting and target shooting) and most people handle the weapons responsibly. When you think about this carefully, there is nothing sinister about this. By contrast, Canadians seem to have demonized guns to the point of paranoia. This is not a healthy attitude. I am wondering if the latest obsession with this (on the part of Canadian media) is another example of “holier than thou” posturing.

  23. LindaL >
    Good catch.
    Rex Murphy did a great piece a few years ago about “it’s not the guns, it’s the liberal welfare black crime ghettos in Canada” that caused a few aneurysms in the MSM.
    Should still be available on utube somewhere.

  24. Absolutely agree,Rob. Good points. One would have a better chance of convincing a jihadi of the folly of their beliefs than making an anti-gun liberal see the light.
    Every MSM outlet in Canada has called the NRA suggestion of armed personnel in schools and other vulnerable venues,”insane” or words to that effect. It is simply impossible,and I’ve tried on several news sites comments pages, to convince them that IF a deranged person with a gun shows up,the only thing that is going to save the situation is a “good guy” with a gun.
    But they simply WILL NOT admit that and go raving on about the insanity of me,the NRA, “gun nuts”,and the “gun culture”,offering no alternative solution.

  25. Consider the canadian conundrum , if you do not have a firearms license and have a gun you are a criminal. But until caught in possession, an unknown.
    If you have a license, the cops can search your home without a warrant and at their discretion , critique your storage methods with criminal charges and seizure of your weapons.
    Either way our govt treats us as criminals.
    When the LGR was introduced they claimed about 7 million owners with about 21 million guns.
    When LGR died, Less than 2 million registered weapons, and fewer than 3..?million licensed owners.
    So where are the missing guns in canada?

  27. Those silly Israelis, what do they know about security? What fools. They need to get their lessons from the NRA who are the world’s leading experts, bar none. Need protection, dial 1-800-NRA.
    Never in all my years of reading SDA have I seen such narrow and simple minded views on a topic. I fear for the future of conservatism. Many of the comments that have been posted on guns sit right up there with “women who are raped can’t get pregnant because their bodies reject the pregnancy”.
    Got friends who own guns, love their guns, and they shake their heads in dismay every time they hear the NRA make another stupid suggestion.
    It is no wonder liberalism continues its steady creep forward year after year.

  28. Registration equals confiscation. We have unelected bureacrats, the CFO’s, prohibiting weapons at whim. Vic Toes seems unwilling, or unable, to reign in this illegal practice. I doubt if more than 20% of the long guns in Canada were ever registered.

  29. Looking at all the posts I’m not sure which comment you have a issue with, since yours is the dumbest. Just tell us what you disagree with so it can be part of the debate. Never mind the “women who are raped” part because that’s so stupid it doesn’t warrant a reply.

  30. Peterj this is your comment: “And that, boys and girls is why you want to own at least one gun that is not registered along with plenty of ammo. Well hidden until if or when you need it.”
    If this statement represents the public face of conservatism then please don’t start crying when the liberals take over.

  32. TJ >
    So “Mr. sane self professed conservative”, please do tell us why the NRA is a bigger threat than Pfizer and other drug manufactures that provide the psychotropic drugs that the overwhelming majority of mass murders are found to be on?
    You side step the same question on every thread.
    You have all the answers but fail to address why the NRA is more dangerous to you than the drug manufactures that have provided a mind altering chemical presence within the minds of these mentally ill individuals.
    This is a sanctimonious and hypocritical Liberal stand that you take with the NRA, there’s nothing conservative about it. Save it for the sheeple in the student cafeteria, yes the ones on the meds.

  33. Calling something an ‘assault rifle’ because it looks like an assault rifle is like calling your girlfriend a supermodel because she wears the same dress and make-up. In both cases it might get the emotional response you want, so who cares if it’s true or not.

  34. The NRA’s position is that part of the solution to deal with the dregs of society, who it so happens can easily get a gun, is to own a gun yourself. Pack your piece wherever you go, or don’t complain if you get shot. This position has been repeated thousands of times by the NRA and its members.
    There may be many valid reasons to own a gun ranging from a need for personal safety to simple enjoyment. Nothing wrong with any of that. However when an organization as powerful as the NRA actively defines utopia as occurring when all of “good” society owns a gun and ammo, then that becomes an implicit restriction on personal freedom. It is no different than the left telling you to buy carbon credits every time you use a drop of gasoline.
    I believe in personal freedom, and I don’t need the NRA telling me how I must lead my life just because *they* want the convenience of easy access to guns, no more than I need the government or Al Gore telling me how I must lead my life.
    Sometimes the products we want come with restrictions. That’s just the way it goes. The NRA and the crying lunatics that run it can go to hell with their extreme positions.

  35. I used to hunt, and no longer, Id rather see a live deer then a dead one.
    There’s no reason for it, considering you can buy whatever you want in a grocery store.
    My lake that I fish I see getting depleted through over fishing, perch that I would of thrown back years ago everyone now keeps,smelt runs long gone.Even target shooting, although fun, is environmentally damaging,with all those led rounds fired year after year.
    I’m not convinced a gun ban would be the answer, but if it saved one life then its worth it, who can predict when someone will go nuts. I look at it like dynamite, it has many uses like blowing up stumps but try to buy some, you cant, and shouldn’t be able to.

  36. Thanks , both TJ and Peter for bringing it down to a discussion level. Although you are both on different subjects. The topic is Australia and if you checked the video it shows that weapon confiscation was brought a huge increase in crime. Once you have weapons that are registered, a change in government can bring a knock on the door and police departing with all your registered guns in hand. They can’t take them if they don’t know you have them. Don’t think it can’t happen here and now because it has happened many times in the past with various Dictators. Trusting government to do the right thing has led to the death of millions. Trust your own instincts. Disarming law abiding citizens means empowering the human garbage that will never give up their guns and have no qualms about shooting defenseless people . All proven theories. Gun free zones in the USA have higher murder rates than concealed weapon states. Rational, sane citizens do not kill children or adults so, focus on the nuts that do. Bring back the death penalty in all states for the human garbage. Not every life is precious. Timothy McVeigh did more damage with diesel and fertilizer than high capacity clips. Nothing has changed since I was a kid. Guns don’t kill. People kill and we don’t need those kind of people. Get rid of them.
    And Peter, you express personal opinions. Nothing wrong with that or how you feel about it. Forcing those opinions on others is where the problems would begin and that is what the NRA is fighting. I would rather study the Swiss model where every household is armed and they have one of the lowest murder rates in the free world.

  37. TJ >
    “I don’t need the NRA telling me how I must lead my life”
    Where has the NRA told you how to lead your life? Not once has the NRA demanded that YOU must carry a gun or try to have the government forcibly make you carry one.
    Your comments are disingenuous to say the least.
    You will always be able to NOT own a gun for self protection the NRA supports this, but it is YOU, I repeat, YOU that is telling people how to live and protect their own lives by force of government and law.
    Any fantasy you may hold that “Guns will never exist’ one day shows your world of ignorance on this issue – Guns will ALWAYS exist, whether in gun ban countries like Mexico, or every totalitarian regime in modern history. If the police or military have guns – all criminal elements will have guns, meaning forever.
    You need to get that FACT through your head before you forcibly disarm your friends, family, and future descendents into a world of helplessness of crime and dictatorship – that is if you actually cared about anyone else of course.

  38. “I’m not convinced a gun ban would be the answer, but if it saved one life then its worth it, who can predict when someone will go nuts.”
    Oh Lord.
    IF one person is saved from a heart attack by banning (pick your food), then it would be worth it? IF one youth saved from an injury, it would justify banning hockey? IF one life is saved, it would justify banning autos?
    And just how would you “Ban” these? Do a complete, massive, national search to make sure all guns are destroyed? Do you seriously think, in a world where third world rebels can buy AK47’s at $100 a piece, than any gun law would really be effective?
    Look, I understand your emotion — but THINK, man, THINK!.

  39. geek49203 >
    We never heard the “peters” come forward to ban airplanes after the 9/11 terrorists drove them into the twin towers either.

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