Interesting commentary coming out of the National Post, now that Dalton McGuinty has won a third term:
What are your macro & micro predictions about what’s going to happen to the Ontario economy in the next few years?
Interesting commentary coming out of the National Post, now that Dalton McGuinty has won a third term:
What are your macro & micro predictions about what’s going to happen to the Ontario economy in the next few years?
Prediction? Easy! Take the progression from the last two terms and extend forward 4 more years. Perhaps an exponential increase in the freefall into debt as the Libs fill their pockets before heading to the door and leave the populace to figure out what happened.
Being from Ontario (and glad to be gone!) the people there are sheep and deserve to be fleeced.
Yup – and it will only take 1 member of either the NDP and/or PC party to cross the floor for a 4 year stint as Minister of More Silly Walks to make the Ontario dream machine just another 4 year nightmare.
Afterall – it was McSquinty that turned Ontario and the Toronto Party into a “Have not” province -dependant on equalization payments from the East and the West.
There are “Have” provinces East of Ontario?
I’m from Ontario. Condolences accepted. 😉
‘An utterly lack-lustre campaign, with Tim Hudak and his Provincial Conservatives the big losers at their own hand, not to mention all Ontarians now that we have to face four more years of McGuilty.
I’m totally frustrated and, frankly, pi**ed off: Mr. Hudak hid his light under a bushel during the whole campaign and, in his concession speech, beamed while he told his constituents, “I’m glad to be home.”
That’s great, Mr. Hudak. You’re glad to be home and c/Conservatives across the province are in the dog house, thanks to your tepid campaign. This election was totally Mr. Hudak’s to lose — and lose he did, with a huge smile on his face.
I sometimes got the impression that he didn’t really want to win. Thanks a lot, Mr. Hudak.
My predictions:
HST at 15% shortly.
Dion’s carbon tax implemented.
And a fat tax on not just chips & chocolate bars but butter, cheese, ice cream, beef and pork.
In Britain, Australia, America and many other countries there is no distinction between political parties. It’s not that people aren’t choosing, rather it’s that there is no choice. If I was given an option, sure as hell I’d use it. There is, however, not much difference between those running for the lead of the province. Why vote if there is no distinction?
Political party’s, if they want the populace to rally around them, MUST offer alternatives to what they have been giving the people. As an immigrant it is my duty to vote, my duty to choose wisely and my duty to invest my hope in the future of my adoptive province and nation. It is the duty of politicians to provide me with a choice.
I won’t agree with everything my provincial leaders stand for but by God I can agree with a lot. Politicians MUST STOP PANDERING to EVERYONE in order to represent everyone. By that I mean they must LEAD even if I don’t want to follow. As a Canadian, I know I won’t get everything I wish for, but, I will get leadership in areas that I don’t care about… leadership that looks out for ALL not just ME.
If I got my way this nation would be Kingjeffland, and, I would be King Jeff. It’s not and I’m not. STOP PANDERING to my wants and START PANDERING to the good of ALL citizenry.
There was MORE than enough I disliked about McGinty, I wish Hudak had offered a vision of where he wanted to take us… he didn’t. He didn’t lead and as such no one followed.
Why vote for one who say’s nothing?
batb, is it possible that actually Hudak and the rest of his progressives had this in mind all along?
Now I guess I should read the links before I get a finger wagged at me.
batb – I sympathize with your view of Hudak’s effort. I’m not sure how much was him, and how much was the usual suspects in the media deliberately hiding him, although he certainly could have driven a more conservative agenda and got rid of the 1st P in PCPO. Having said all that, the total turnout was less than 50%, and Hudak was only 2% less than McLiar in vote totals. If some conservatives stayed home because Hudak wasn’t perfect enough, well screw them. If getting rid of McLiar wasn’t enough, I don’t know what is. Hudak at least promised to stop any further FIT (Feed in Tariffs)deals. That alone should have made any conservative hold their nose and vote. We could easily had a majority in only 70% of conservatives had actually voted.
President McCain agrees with Mr Hudak’s campaigning style.
Hi, David! [waves to Frum]
Ontario’s bond rating will be down grated, as a result the massive amount of money Dalton’s borrowed will cost Ontario a great deal more in interest rates. That will in result economic hardship, businesses will leave because of the unpleasant tax environment and Ontario will face twenty years of economic depression.
Fearless forecasts:
1) One or two NDP members will be bought off into crossing over to give McGuinty a majority before the provincial legislature sits.
2) McSpendy will face a simmering ‘revolt of the ambitious’ in his cabinet within 12 months = PERFECT timing for Nanny McSpendy to “be begged and cajoled” (by the Toronto Star and usual Liberal king makers) into running for the FEDERAL Lieberal leadership.
3) They are SOOOO desperate for a proven “winning track record who can carry Ontario” that Nanny McSpendy WILL WIN the federal Lib leadership despite his near non-existent French (NOTE – after Iggy, it’s once again Quebec’s turn to lead the fed Libs = Junior Trudeau or Jean Charest)
So Canada, we Ontarians gleefully anticipate the day not far off when we inflict Nanny McSpendy upon ALL the rest of you!
batb, I share your frustration. There were a lot of factors in play as well as a a rotten campaign.
We can also blame ourselves, (Conservatives), we are our own worst enemies, some of our people decide to stay home because they didn’t like the leader’s performance, we know who gained in that case.
There was the media party,the unions, the special interest groups,including immigrants, in and around Toronto,all for McLiar, it was in the bag before the writ was dropped, the pandering was all wrapped and tied for presentation. IMO McGuinty would not have run if he thought he wouldn’t win, he knew who to suck up to.
We are broke in windmill/solar panel hell,we’ll be lucky if we don’t freeze in the dark.
Here we go again with the Ontario PC apologists. Don’t blame the people of Ontario, Jan. They are not sheeple. This is the exclusive responsibility of the Ontario PC party and the Red Tories it is infested with.
If there is something the Red Tories at the Ontario PC should learn from this election is that
“Not McGuinty” is not a successful campaign strategy.
Blame the Ontario PC for the disastrous candidate they put up against Dolton. The people are not stupid. Say what you want about Dolton, at least he is sincere about his beliefs.
Hudak did not earn the trust of the Ontario electorate. Hudak like all Red Tories is ashamed of conservative principles and will not stand up for them. He always looked like he was trying to weasel himself out of simple questions.
What kind of conservative vision for Ontario was someone like Hudak -who is ashamed of conservative principles- going to put forward to the Ontario electorate? The answer is none and that is why he lost.
The electorate will respond well when you put forward sincere candidates who are passionate about conservatism and can articulate conservative principles in an engaging manner.
I think Liz and I just proved the axiom ‘Great minds think alike and fools vote liberal’. I may have paraphrased the axiom a little
More McSquinty
More Lies
More Taxes
More Unemployment
More Debts
More Gubmint
Why should anything change, except for the worse, Onterrible is Liberal Land
Ken (Kulak) and Liz, this is what I cross-posted over at BCF: My feeling is that Hudak didn’t try to unseat McGuilty:
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Sadly — because I’m sure he’s “a nice guy” (not, BTW, what we needed) — Tim Hudak let the c/Conservatives of Ontario down. This election was his to lose — and, damn it, that’s exactly what he did because he didn’t try hard enough. Heck, he hardly tried at all.
I don’t know where he was, but he sure as heck didn’t keep a high profile, didn’t forward the c/Conservative cause, wasn’t in the limelight, wasn’t challenging the worst of the McGuilty government’s lying, union, OHRC ways.
I can’t tell you what Tim Hudak and his party stood for — but it wasn’t what I wanted to see and hear: personal responsibility, smaller government, taking back genuine freedom of speech rights, not the bogus, patronage-soaked OHRC kind.
Tim Hudak seems to be a career politician, not the kind that has the guts to roll back the sucking-on-the-government teat parasites and their lifestyles that we in the dwindling middle class are getting sick of supporting — and going broke doing.
Mr. Hudak said he was glad to “be home.” Well, good for him. Why doesn’t he stay there? We were hoping for a Conservative leader that would work to make government smaller and less intrusive to the hard-working Ontario taxpayer, not someone whose prime concern seems to be staying home and serving his own constituents.
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Here’s what Rex Murphy had to say about Hudak’s (non) campaign: “Make no error here. Dalton McGuinty did not get re-elected as Premier on
Thursday night: Tim Hudak declined the pportunity to fight him for the job. …The Conservatives really need to find both a new leader, and stop and figure out just what their party believes in these days. ”
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/10/08/rex-murphy-ontario-gets-four-more-years-of-father-knows-best/#more-53426
Greg, it’s a scandal if c/Conservatives stayed home and didn’t bother to vote. It could have made a difference. Hudak, unfortunately, didn’t light a fire under any of us — but I voted anyway!
More p*ss*ng and moaning about the evil simpleton Westerner, and their carbon addiction. Meanwhile scheming how to strip that wealth off and transfer it east. Because only they have culture and know what is best for us underdeloped non-socialist lower life forms.
Summarize it as Condescending Imperialism.™
Probably a Grope and Fail trademark…
Poor Hudak. Everyone and their uncle was against him. Such a fine candidate. It’s all the fault of media party, the unions, the special interest groups, the freemasons, the scientologists, the Opus Dei, the immigrants, in and around Toronto, all for McLiar. It was in the bag before the writ was dropped.
Even conservatives! Oh those dastardly conservatives didn’t come out of the closet and support Hudak in high enough numbers.
That is precisely why Hudak was polling 15 points above McGuinty in June, right Liz J?
Hudak was a Weenie.
And correctly perceived by the Ontario electorate as such.
When you change a government you have to offer better than a Weenie.
These words* sum up Liberal socialist Liar McGuinty:
“Dr Spock, tolerance, self esteem, moral decline, lack of respect, education decline, welfare mentality, political incompetence, voter fraud, propaganda, unions, corruption, greed,… and the list goes on.”
H/T:
“highflight56433 says:”
Flom: Mao Stlong:
““Global warming is a bogus proposition…””
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/08/global-warming-is-a-bogus-proposition/#more-48880
The following site has a phone call that somebody who calls himself Btok and included in his comment on Rex’s article. Interesting. I wonder how many of our politicians have bought into the UN’s Agenda 21. Does anyone have any idea what the articles in Agenda 21 are?
http://forum.batr.net/showthread.php?tid=1517
I don’t really get the Hudak red conservative thing. During the leadership run he was portrayed as too right wing too win. During this campaign the liberals and the media (but I repeat myself) painted him as Mike Harris returned. Yes, I think his advisors and he did wrong by not following a true conservative agenda, but that’s a campaign mistake. I paid attention, and I truly believed that once in we would have had a real conservative leader, based on his past actions, not on the campaign BS.
The future for Ontario is first California, second Greece, and third a muslim Detroit, it may skip Greece.
As a scrutineer for the Conservatives there were a whole lot of Conservative supporters that simply didn’t vote. These were people that even had a sign on their lawn and strong supporters. Hudak had tremendous ammunition to bring down McGuinty but once again we were led by a Red Tory. Where are the Mike Harris’s of our party, why are we given people like Hudak or John Tory. My candidate, Andre Mandel-Campbell, had far more fire in her than Hudak.
I do wish that a Conservative party won the election in Ontario but I don’t know how that could have happened since no conservative party was running in that election.
I’m not a political science major or anything like it but from casual observation I would suggest that the way to win elections is by proposing strong ideas. Once the ideas are out there the parties will fight over them and eventually the party that proposed them will win.
The Liberals under Trudeau proposed a whole raft of ideas (most of which is oppose) and the PCs ran against the ideas without having any of their own. The Liberals won and the PCs lost. Finally the Reform Party came forward with a whole list of strong ideas. The Liberals tried to steal some of them but all that did was strengthen the Reform ideas. The people eventually noticed that the Reform ideas stolen by the Liberals worked in practice and so decided to cut out the middleman and go straight to the generator of ideas, the Reform/Conservative party.
The exact opposite happened in Ontario. The PCs simply regurgitated warmed over Liberal ideas without any ideas of their own and so they failed to ignite the imagination of the electorate. Once again if you are going to have Liberal ideas why would you vote PC?
BTW blaming the other guy’s team (union/media/action groups) simply points out your own weakness and failure. You should have your own outside agitators trumpeting your message. You didn’t have much of a message so don’t be too surprised that others failed to trumpet it for you.
When the opposition can’t do better than namecalling: McSquinty, McGuilty, McLiar, McSpendy, it’s easy to see how the libs stayed in power. Childish schoolyard idiocy like namecalling does not win elections.
Show more intelligence like the following statement and you could win next time.
“The electorate will respond well when you put forward sincere candidates who are passionate about conservatism and can articulate conservative principles in an engaging manner.”
Are you a blue collar worker?
Head west … Saskatchewan, Alberta … take your pick.
Ontario will continue to over regulate and wander down the loser role of man made global warming. As Barnum said theres a sucker born every minute.
Ontario will continue to be a have not province possibly dropping down to manitoba status.
Davers6 prediction sounds all too plausible. 🙁
“What are your macro & micro predictions about what’s going to happen to the Ontario economy in the next few years?”
We in Ontario will all be bored to tears by the myriad tiny-minded nitpicking PC quibbledicks and flim-flam artists at Queen’s Park as our electricity bills continue to skyrocket and a once-mighty province is reduced to the same status as Québec. For shame.
Come back, Bill Davis! All is forgiven.
One reason NDp lost because people do not know her too much and does see her has experince
one reason Conservative lost because people scare like Mayor of Toronto conservative come and keep cut budget but add more war cost and nothing of those cost bring benefit to all public interst
One reason Dalton MacGuinty won but stay in Minoriy was that he has two above advantage but he got minority because of disadvantage of price of hdro and Enbridge gas and all home land transfer and all job for all ethinc is not good enough and too much drug and strip club in Toronto I heard Quebec are worth
Greg, that is something that always baffled me. By what stretch of the imagination was Hudak portrayed as a return of Mike Harris?
From the Globe and Mail:
>>>>>”He’s bland. He’s smart. And he stubbornly clings to the same script he’s been reading now for months: increased spending for health care. More money for education. A harmonized sales tax. And all-day kindergarten for the province.
No, this is not Dalton McGuinty. It’s his rival, Tim Hudak, the man who will spend the next month crisscrossing Ontario, pleading for an end to eight years of Liberal rule. And he intends to do it not so much by opposing Mr. McGuinty as by occupying his territory – claiming the middle ground for the Progressive Conservatives and squeezing the Liberals to the marginal left.”
http://tinyurl.com/3rr44mw
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Well we all know how that turned out, don’t we?
The most hilarious part is that he tried to label himself as “Not McGuinty”
Out in the hinterlands the loathing of all things Toronto knows no bounds. For years the bureaucracy has been squeezing the life out of the rural economy. Be it OMAFRA forcing out small abbatoirs by enforcing regulations due to Maple Leaf killing off folk with sandwich meat; be it burgeoning wildlife populations (bears, deer, turkeys)destroying crops w/o any compensation (thanks MNR), be it rural planning authority being stripped away by the Green Energy Act; all this and much more has driven many people to even vote for the PC party. I can hardly wait for the next 2 – 4 years to see the skyrocketing electrical costs finally shake some of the city ‘cattle’ into realizing how screwed up this province is. Reality has a habit of forcing itself into the discussion and the credit rating agencies will force the Liberal’s hand. The PC party may end up being relieved not to have had to face the coming economic maelstrom. A Liberal/NDP coalition govt is on the way; welcome rural Ontario to the kind and gentle face of urban bureaucratic facism.
The Process is called reverse Engineering of the Liberal (last elected party)policies…Then just adding a few Conservative changes and hoping you can get a majority Vote.. The problem is that the reason people voted in previous elections are connected to past “emotional” issues…These can not be repeated unless you can appeal equally to the emotional level of the Morons that chase nonsense
The fools trying to follow other fools….
The true conservative will follow thier own path…
By the way
who killed Steve Jobs — Apple computer
I guess was computer
Is seating near computer and up side down in business can affect in simple people more than other and caused them cancer
liver will attached to too much pain he may has or too much pressure was under in competition
Is this time for high end CEO need to higher high end nutrition and high end doctor to watch their health carfully daily to make sure they are ok and they live longer too may be
If you put smart person under too much pressure and not eat food on the time and workhalic can expect to they have short life too
but can they Apple helped him before it is too late to check out their high ceo by good doctor to prevent their deseases I guess
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/jobs-authorized-biography-kids-know-him-113418301.html
I felt sorry for his death he was not old but his face turn old
is people who want to die can recognized by their face shape I guess
Like Mr. T, I predict -pain-.
1. Go Okie. Alberta and Saskatchewan could use energetic, productive workers and producers, and they don’t tax the heck out of you. Less tax dollars for the Liberal/NDP axis.
2. Go Galt. If you are not busy producing or consuming, you are not feeding the Liberal/NDP government machine. Don’t work overtime, don’t expand your business or hire new workers, patch your clothes and keep your car running a few more years. Grow a victory garden and get a rain barrel.
3. Stand and fight. Bring up the uncomfortable economic facts in every forum and using every channel at your disposal. Anti-Obama forces in the US are now placing stickers and notices in grocery stores and gas pumps pointing out the new high prices are brought to you by Obama; we can do the same with McGuinty. Phone in shows, even starting simple conversations on the street (“wow, look how much prices have gone up ever since McGuinty was re elected”) are other methods. Bringing up scandals wherever you can could also put pressure on people to quit or be forced out. Four years of preparing the ground will do wonders.
4. Take over the PC party riding association by riding association. Frankly, if the party had the balls to put the economy front and center and have a frank conversation with voters on how everything has to be on the table to prevent an economic disaster, the voters would have had some reason to vote for the PC party. Time to replace the current leadership with the sort of people who have the courage to stand for something.
Well said Joe.
syf, there are (truck) drivers wanted signs all over Saskatoon. The building trades are also looking for people that know how to swing a hammer, install a light switch and plumb a bathroom. New Pasta plant being build in Regina. Potash people are building more mines.
Thucydides, that is great advice.
“What are your macro & micro predictions about what’s going to happen to the Ontario economy in the next few years?” Posted by Robert at October 8, 2011 3:12 PM
Oh gosh. Macro slash f@#$%^&g micro predictions. Let me count the ways.
The Ontario economy in the next few years? It will absolutely f@#$%^&g flourish! I mean, how could it not?
After all, everybody will have a government paycheque; solar energy will provide free power; kindergarteners will know everything about deviance, while high school graduates won’t be able to recite the times table; and businesses will get ten grand from long-term Canadians if they hire someone off the boat.
Sure. Things will work out fine.
If by flourish you mean flail uncontrollably…yep.
Since more of the same was voted for, I predict more of the same.
It appears Ontario people are real stupid … and no, I don’t mean the positive definition of stupid.
Ontario has always had a superiority complex and this is just God’s way of showing she has a sense of humor and loves a good joke.
Four more years with McGuinty should put Ontario neck in neck with with Newfoundland in a economic race. My money is on Newfoundland because they do’nt have McGuinty.
Hudak took one for the team
Ontario’s 19 newly elected PC and NDP MPPs and the folks who
found them worth supporting were the only highlight of the evening.
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Kate, please excuse the profanity. There are only two words left for Ontario.
We’re f***ed.
The PCs won Ontario while the Liberals won Toronto. Hudak ran a strong issues campaign. It may not be reported that way in the media, but that is Toronto you are reading and hearing. Hudak failed in the GTA in a very similar manner to Stephen Harper. Remember,it took three cracks before Harper was able to break into Toronto.
Toronto elected Rob Ford as mayor last winter and they spent an unhappy spring and summer deciding what to cut from the obviously bloated budget As the frustration grew, support for a “tougher” provincially conservative program tailed off. Toronto has enough bad news on it’s plate right now.
The Green Energy Act was the key. In rural Ontario, the FIT program and the naked undemocratic inflexibility of the Liberals doomed them. But in Toronto, Liberal employed a totally opposite flexibility, cancelling offshore wind and local gas peaker plants, and promising mythical green jobs whenever Liberal seats were threatened.
Liberals played the numbers.
McGuinty does not even need to recall the Legislature. As the deficit climbs, he can announce his often denied Carbon Tax. The regulations were passed previously, all he needs is an order in council.
When depression unfolds, he will just point to Ford and Hudak.
We are definitely screwed in Ontario no matter how it’s sliced and diced.
The game unfolded as McGuinty played it, he played to Toronto, we in the boonies showed him the door.We didn’t buy his lies, we didn’t buy his blame Mike Harris shtick either. Dalton was in majority power for two terms, Harris didn’t shove “Green Energy”,”smart meters”,e-Health scandal,raise our taxes on everything we need to survive after saying he would not do so.
Hold onto your hats and your wallets,it’s going to be a rough ride with depression knocking at the door in McGuintyland.
A member of the NDP will be “enticed” to cross to Libs. Probably Cormose.
The Province will have either cap and tax or carbon tax.
Hudak follows Eves & Tory with a stupid Liberal Lite campaign. We need a Conservative party in Ontario.
As Ken Kulak mentioned yesterday @ 6:31pm the following link takes you to a very interesting conversation between a PC supporter and the typical backroom staffers who managed the campaign. Very interesting indeed and I recommend all give a listen.
http://forum.batr.net/showthread.php?tid=1517
Hudak promised more money for the Education industry, why? Enrolment is down 120,000 yet McGuinty has increased their budget by $6 billion, all for wages and more hires for all day kindergarten, which Hudak supported. This is insanity on Hudak’s part and an example of an easy target for his platform.
We need a courageous person like Ford or Harris for people to really support!