24 Replies to “An Unfortunate Truth”

  1. “Muslim Reformation” from Cjunk:
    If there were a Nobel Prize (okay not the best example lately)…
    If there were an Oscar for Best Common Sense and Tell-It-Like-It-Is Essay, “Muslim Reformation” would be a shoe-in.

  2. Islam not religion
    Response to VoiceOfCanada, Feb 2011
    The main issue with islam is that it is not simply a religion, but a total way of life, which has religious, political, legal, military, dietary, hygienic, medical, financial and other components. The major difference between islam and the religions (I am purposely not using word ‘other’) is that islam requires establishment of specific global government – caliphate – which is supposed to last until the judgment day when all muslims are expected to fight non-muslims and exterminate them.
    That quranic requirement makes islam incompatible with all Western democracies that I know of. Surprising indeed is support given to islam by the members of Western economic and scientific elites whose very existence is directly threatened by islam.
    How can Western society preserve its democracy? It is currently unacceptable to expel the muslims living here on the premise of religious tolerance and freedom of faith. The only solution is to recognize islam for what it is – militant political doctrine – and strip it of protected status provided by its recognition as a religion. Continued ‘free pass’ which part of our society gives to islam is suicidal. We are sitting ducks.
    The muslim radicals are very sly and sneaky when it comes to non-muslims trying to understand the quran. They are doing their best to hide true meaning of the verses by ‘sanitizing’ the translations and omitting the concept of ‘abrogation’ where later suras cancel out the earlier ones. To understand the quran it is important to know exact chronological order in which the suras were ‘revealed’, not the order in which they were compiled for publication by caliph Utman or someone else.
    Only when general public will actually read and understand the quran’s true meaning they can establish informed opinion about the ‘religion of peace’.
    I was horrified to learn it, just like I was horrified to read Vladimir Lenin’s writing. Both are horrible in their cold-blooded practicing of mass murder to advance their goals. We live in difficult times when schools are dumping education for socialist indoctrination and frankly I am not holding my breath about Western public ever learning what they are facing until it is too late and there are burning cars and smashed windows in our streets.
    For the muslims it is absolutely impossible to ‘rip the violent pages from the quran’ because according to quran itself, it’s the final, immutable word of god. Alteration of quran is punishable by death. Also Mohammed cemented the quran and islam by pronouncing self the last prophet and ordering the muslims to kill anyone who would claim prophethood. That explains why 1+B ‘peaceful’ muslims are ‘peaceful’ only as long as they read and follow the sanitized versions of quran, translated into their languages.
    But as soon as they meet a Wahhabi preacher, they become a ticking time bomb on the way to radicalization. Reason being that Wahhabi are not some sinister devils in human clothes, but simply native Arabic speakers who read quran in its original version and take it literally.
    It is quran itself and islam itself which make it impossible for their followers to coexist peacefully with other religions and the atheists. The christians and jews are better off – for the time being (until the ‘last day’ when they are ordered by Allah to be exterminated), while the polytheists and atheists are destined for slaughter at any time.
    Also, contributing to violence of islam is the fact that Mohammed is prescribed as a role model for all muslims and history of his life, a-hadith, celebrates the murder, pillage and child molestation that he has committed.
    That all means that islam must be contained as a doctrine, not treated equally with the religions as I said above. Unless this containment is treated by entire ‘dar al harb’ – house of war, or non-muslim territories, treated as seriously as Nazi Germany, we are doomed as right now we are sitting ducks, hostages of Trudoe’s multiculturalism enshrined in Charter.
    While islam and quran are self-preserving, immutable concepts, cemented by fear of death from their followers, our democracy is fragile and self-destructive in its misguided tolerance of even most intolerable. Tolerance is consent to abuse. I refuse to be abused and refuse to consent to it.

  4. Oh, they do love to weep, do they not?
    Remember, anyone who refers to Islam as a violent religion is opening themselves to violence.

  5. I’ve been watching the testimony of the witnesses and it’s clear why CAIR and the other Official Muslim Organizations are panicing, tiss they who are the enemy of moderate and secular Muslims.

  6. relgion of Islam always reform not in basic in
    idea of certain areas as we see 70 branch of Islam by explanation and leading
    but they can not change Quran to new book like Bible
    they can not change eat pork added to Muslim
    they can not change Gays and lesbian law add to Islam
    god is only one not three is main of Islam
    but law of execuation can allow people with mental ill go to use medication if proof and not get executed
    they can change law of taxation in certain area
    they can change leader who know politic science and relgion background
    area link to science also can get changed too
    ==================
    This is not colour of black African made them salvery that was culture and background and country of origin Africa made them into slavery game
    can we say Liberal and Conservative are racist OH answer some are more than other but both are not like too much multiculture in act but in word YES in act NO. I think. because they do not like differences and are ignorant. Like Jewish deny jesus are ignorant but they deserve to live even if they are ignorant and not face discrimination. so as so many black culture can be good some not okay some is jentic all act similar behaviour made them different than non black people.
    black and spanish are more emotional but white are less emotion they are good in art and entertainment and sport and music better than white people I think.
    So, We have black culture we have black TV
    black african can not hide the old history
    like all Iranian are Aryan and had background of kingdom and so as Italy
    some can abused and some abuse other people both were wrong in history.
    —-
    Can we say when we go to google
    and typle
    Obama vs. BUSH we will see Obama brought changes and or attract right or wrong opposition to him or pro Obama up to 220 + milion viewers
    while Bush has less or half of Obama
    can we call it Black culture entertainment
    or if we search engine all black musci direct or indirectly behind all music
    we will see they neck by neck singer in black music compete more viewer numbers
    in compare with politic viewers
    except UN and INDIA and China has trillion viewers
    while wealth transfer from one group in USA to more billionar in Russia and china
    ====
    off course we have competition over two culture sometimes
    people will hire among same race more or less
    and final solution
    we can see pizza among all people to eat and not belong to Italy link two nations
    we see Yogo excercise more among North American link for Indian hindu tradition to west
    we see felafel arabic food link Arab and all Nonmuslim all people love Felafel
    we also see kebab which is Greek and Iranian food are now famous among all nation
    food culture now link among all people and marriage link people
    in country like Canada we see all link of all multiculture to one culture call it Canadian culture which mix and cut and paste of multiculture include English culture
    I like some of black culture and I dislike some other culture
    some behaviour is jenetic can transfer from one generation to others no matter where they live

  7. Muslim reformation might be a possibility. But it would have to be even more radical and earth-shaking than the reformation that shook the Catholic Church centuries ago. It extinguished forever the erroneous idea that christianity should function as an earthly political/government system. After all, Christians should have known better: Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world”.
    All Muslims have to do is be convinced of the same thing regarding their own faith, but I think it will be much more difficult to do that than it was with the Christian reform. Christians never started out as a war-like political power-mongering movement in the first place so at least we had something fundamentally peace-loving and spiritual in our roots — free from illusions of earthly grandeur — that we could return to.
    Does Islam have something equivalent in its historical roots? I really don’t know.

  8. The best way to reform all relgion is as follows
    Jewish reform their religion
    they accept Jeses as prophet as well as Mohamad then all blood shiet can be stopped by reform jewish law of religon to not be ignorant
    christian reform to accept Mohamad as prophet
    all hindo and budism accept god as reform their relgion
    Muslim radical wahabi get reform to cut culture out of relgion
    then half of world problems can be resolved

  9. Islam is being reformed.
    Osama bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri are Islam’s reformers bringing Islam back to it’s roots, reforming it.
    That’s what the Wahabbi/Salaffi movement is all about.
    The prophet Mohammed would approve of these men.
    “Does Islam have something equivalent in its historical roots?”
    No.
    Quite the opposite.
    Islam, at it’s roots, teaches that Islam will rule the world by conquest.(Jihad)

  11. The biggest problem is the history is not taught in school….
    If it was then impressionable young “blacks” would reject that Islam is the religion of their ancestors.
    History is that Muslims were the slavers who sold slaves to slaveships to be sold to democrats.
    Soetoros’ ancestors were not slaves but slavers.
    The history of slavery in Africa is the history of Islam.
    The Maghreb(North Africa) was the base of the Barbary pirates who enslaved more europeans over the centuries than the blacks which were transported to North America. Barbary pirates raided the coasts of Europe from Italy to Ireland…even to Iceland.

  12. just want to throw this point in: nobody should ever assume that Muslims worship the same God that Jews and Christians do!!!!
    many many scholars have pointed this out. They are not the same.

  14. Denial and deflection was morally and intellectually dishonest when the Soviets did it. It is tiresome and – quite frankly- insulting to one’s intelligence now.
    Muslims should clean house if they don’t wish to be labelled as terrorists.
    Is it possible?

  15. Very interesting Soccermom, I have never heard that proposed, as I just thought that, being descendants of Abraham, they worshiped the same God.
    Could you expand on this (theory/fact) it could clear up a lot of confusion around the whole rigmarole if it were so.

  16. yes they are descendants of Abraham, as the Jews are. God promised Hagar, the mother of one of Abraham’s sons, that her son would be the father of a great nation. Doesn’t mean that they worship the same god, just that they would be numerous. The koran is full of threats to Jews; now seeing that the Jews were God’s chosen people from the old testament, his divine providence has protected them always, would it fit in that God on the one hand hates the Jews and then on the other hand, loves them?
    the koran is their only holy book. If it was the same God, would they not look to the Old Testament as a holy book as well?
    there’s also theories that the moon god is actually who they worship…(hence the crescent symbol)
    I have read up a bit on this…it is quite interesting stuff. Although, of course, I’m no expert. I can’t help but think that a God who sent his son to die for our sins wouldn’t also tell his people to kill others. of course, the Old Testament says “Thou Shalt Not Kill”

  17. sorry, “would not tell his people to kill the Jews”
    …
    I recommend a book called “What In The World is Going On?” by David Jeremiah.
    Very interesting reading on this very issue.

  18. I’ve heard the questioned asked, on occasion, “If you could go back in time, and kill some one….?”
    Anyone who doesn’t answer mohammed, is a muslim. The lines are becoming more clear, every day. I hope someone is keeping track of the number of times they’ve had to be driven out of civilized lands.

  19. Interesting, even fascinating, but I’m relatively sure this will infuriate to murderous intent, many Muslims out there. Of course they entered the scene quite a bit later than Jews and even, Christians. I once worked with a fellow, Mustafa, who tried to convince me that he was on my side, but finally asked “You don’t really believe that the Deity would conceive a son with a human being, do you?” To which I replied “Yes I most certainly do! And told him to F*** Off! (I am, as I’ve mentioned before, a Catholic, not a Puritan).

  20. A fine example of Taqiyya . This guy should have went into acting. The CHRC here would lick this guys toes in admiration.
    JMO

  21. That’s a nice little comment from our old pal new – sorry, ‘ok’ – at 6:16. Seems (as is my understanding; I guarantee nothing) that if we all – “Jewish… christian… hindo… budism” – convert to Islam most of the problems in the world will go away. Apparently she also wants “Muslim radical wahabi get reform”, so it’s very much a two-way street.
    Ru @3:43 is similarly open-minded; I shouldn’t wonder that she and ok would get along. “Like Jewish deny jesus are ignorant but they deserve to live even if they are ignorant and not face discrimination.”
    That’s awfully big of you, Ru.

  22. The way crybaby Ellison was carrying on makes all phony sleazy manipulative hammy*** political chancers look bad. I actually yelled at the screen “oh, act like a man, you snivelling creep!”.
    ***How insensitive, sorry.

  23. It should be noted that King is an unapologetic past supporter of the IRA. The irony abounds.

  24. Ever notice what happens to people who aren’t Muslims in Muslim lands? I lived in the Middle East and only a fool thinks Islam has anything to do with religion. Its a form of facism to allow the annointed to rule despotically.
    King like many Irish aMERICANS WERE UNAWARE THAT THE ira IN THE 60-70S WAS a radical Marxist group. No wonder CAIR and the Muslims embrace the IRA today.

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