Flood or famine, heat or snow, AGW does it all:
Over 1 million fish and thousands of alligators, turtles, dolphins and other river wildlife are floating dead in numerous Bolivian rivers in the three eastern/southern departments of Santa Cruz, Beni and Tarija. The extreme cold front that hit Bolivia in mid-July caused water temperatures to dip below the minimum temperatures river life can tolerate. As a consequence, rivers, lakes, lagoons and fisheries are brimming with decomposing fish and other creatures.
Unprecedented: Nothing like this has ever been seen in this magnitude in Bolivia. Inhabitants of riverside communities report the smell is nauseating and can be detected as far as a kilometer away from river banks. River communities, whose livelihoods depend on fishing, fear they’ll run out of food and will have nothing to sell. Authorities are concerned there will be a shortage of fish in markets and are more concerned by possible threats to public health, especially in communities that also use river water for bathing and drinking, but also fear contaminated or decaying fish may end up in market stalls. They’ve begun a campaign to ensure market vendors and the public know how to tell the difference between fresh and unhealthy fish.
… at this point in time only the most stubborn zealot or sad simpleton won’t be getting at least a bit sceptical.
Previous @ Cjunk … a fool’s game.
Is Al Gore in Bolivia ?
Well here’s another juxtaposition:
1.http://www.thestarphoenix.com/health/West+Nile+mosquito+bugs+Estevan/3370503/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
(The Culex tarsalis has moved north because of AGW.)
2.http://www.mosquitocatalog.org/files/pdfs/106950-5.pdf
(File from 1985 showing the distribution includes the Aspen parkland of Canada.)
Tell you what Senator,we deniers will take your offer of our own Country. Let’s divide the North American continent vertically down the middle. We deniers will take the West, you “believers” can take the East.
You get the cities, we get the farms.
We’ll see how it works out in the long run.
John Cross will be here presently to explain it all.
Meanwhile, the good senator is making Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity and Glen Beck look like the Oracle at Delphi for predicting his behavior to a T.
Perhaps the good senator would explain the movements of the glaciers in pre-human times. They’ve been both bigger and smaller than they are right now.
You know, I kinda like being a Denier. It has all the right people mad at me, the type of people I’d like an excuse to take out to the parking lot. Like this senator. 🙂
…and a little over a month ago in South Africa, penguins are freezing to death.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-06-17-eastern-cape-penguins-freeze-to-death
Come on everyone! It’s quite obvious global warming is causing a new ice age!
Yeah:
HIDE THE DECLINE!!!
The calving of Greenland’s Peterson Glacier is considered as evidence of warming only by scoundrels and simpletons.
Tidewater glaciers only move into tide-water when they are GROWING! If they were shrinking they would be inland going drip drip….not out in the sound subject to tidal stress….SNAP!
That meltwater lubrication nonsense is sophistry. Glaciers accelerate when increased snow/ice accumulation causes increased pressure causing the ice to flow faster.
Those WW2 aircraft abandoned on the ice-cap during the early 40’s….were recovered from under 250+ ft of accumulated ice. This is not evidence of a lowering of ice-mass.
Whew! Methodism appears to have fallen off the wagon, at least in the UK.
“South African theologian, Ernst Conradie, has argued that the need for white South Africans to confess their involvement in the structures of apartheid is a good analogy for the confession necessary in relation to climate change. Just as most white South Africans had no direct responsibility for the establishment or maintenance of apartheid but were guilty in benefiting from it and failing to challenge its injustice, so we did not originate the industrialized economies that resulted in climate change but are now guilty of enjoying the fruits of systems that threaten the future of God’s creatures.”
Bad science meets bad theology in a badly written paper employing faulty logic.
But my favorite part is where the Pacific Conference of Churches urges the “highly industrialized nations” to “take responsibility for the ecological damage that they have caused by paying for the costs of adaptation to the anticipated impacts.”
Well, St. Matthew was a tax collector.
See what happen when you stop using hydrocarbons the C02 levels drop and terrible things happen. How ever not to worry I am sure the Kenyan can figure out how to blame Bush.
The link between CO2 levels and warming is the reverse of Al Gore’s fantasy. Warming oceans released CO2 in the 20th century. Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” had to reverse the warming and CO2 levels to make their graph work the way they wanted to. That’s one of the things even the British courts had to admit.
If CO2 had the effect on warming that Al Gore wants, this would have led to runaway global warming millenia ago, with no need for man.
Another problem with the war on CO2 emissions is that plants need CO2 like humans need oxygen. It’s one of the three requirements for photosynthesis, along with chlorophyll and sunlight.
If Al Gore gets his way and reduces CO2 in the air to zero, all plants will die. Then all animals will die. If Al just gets close, he’ll still cause mass extinctions worse than the most extreme of any of his alarmist warming scenarios.
The clincher is that there are much worse greenhouse gasses out there. It’s been pointed out how much water vapor affects the Earth’s heat retention. “You can go outside and spit and cause more global warming than all the CO2 combined.”
Markey: Deniers of global warming should ‘start their own country’. We have it is called Alberta Canada. Anyone who thinks hydrocarbon is the best thing since they wheel is welcome. To all the pinko commies IE green peace may we suggest anything east of the of the Manitoba border.
Indeed, AGW truly does it all.
To wit, AGW causes:
1. Glaciers to recede or even disappear.
2. Glaciers to grow 30 miles over sea water, only to calve as, you know, glaciers are wont to do when they reach the sea.
*sigh*
What is it with these people? Don’t answer, it was a rhetorical question.
Zeolot s/b zealot.
Spelling here is usually pretty good!
You remember Bolivia, don’t you? It’s the land-locked, high-altitude country where NASA can’t find any thermometers.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013142.html
Phantom I like being a denier also, when the nosey neighbours’ gather daily for their cocktails by the neighbours pool I often yell over the fence Climate Change is bull shite. I’m also not going to obey my town’s Mayor’s latest directive from on econut high, if he want’s me to use clear garbage bags he can buy the forking bags I’ll go to jail before some pissant snivel servant can tell me what color garbage bags I have to buy.
Anyone else fed up with leftard politicians invading our lives with stupid forking rules that make the pissant snivel servant feel so smug and pious and superior to us? We need a support group or somethin.
Let me get this straight.
IF you benefit from a certain system, THEN you are guilty of its results (bad results presumably).
So, if you benefited from apartheid (by having property and a job???) then, you are guilty of being a perpretator of apartheid.
So, if the Iranians, Hamas, Hezbollah, benefit from the West’s invention of cars, guns, missiles, then..wouldn’t they be guilty of the results of their use?
If we benefit from the results of the development of print, literacy and symbolic communication, then, are we guilty of the fascist and racial propaganda communicated by those techniques?
Looks to me like Someone really doesn’t like the Global warming theory. Indeed is playing cat & mouse with the “Great” Climatological brains.
In ancient times they called this Quint idea Judgment for sin.
I think lying to a whole World & pretending Humans are gods qualifies. Don’t you?
JMO
Oh no! shock and dismay. Someone made a spelling error.
I thought Methodists were supposed to be hard-@sses. What was that?
I’ve been trying to sneak this onto the CBC Moscow’s
heat wave thread. Tried for about three days or more. Don’t know if it made it past the nanny.
ET@2:57 asks
“If we benefit from the results of the development of print, literacy and symbolic communication, then, are we guilty of the fascist and racial propaganda communicated by those techniques?”
Yes. if your’e white.
Posted by: rose at August 8, 2010 2:48 PM
Heh, this year in Mission, there has been, for the first time, a total lawn watering ban during July and August. Because, you know, here on the ‘Wet’ Coast, we live in an arid desert.
/end_sarc
Needless to say, I have disregarded this edict, as have the neighbors around me. To quote the fellow across the street, “Let them fine me!”
Oh, and I should add, every trip to the dollar store, irrespective of what I’m there for, I always add a couple boxes of 3-pack incandescent light bulbs to my basket. So far, I have a laundry-room cabinet full of this illicit stash.
INFALLIBLE IPCC WEATHER INDICATOR
There’s nothing Obama, the UN, or the IPCC can’t do.
every trip to the dollar store, irrespective of what I’m there for, I always add a couple boxes of 3-pack incandescent light bulbs to my basket. So far, I have a laundry-room cabinet full of this illicit stash.
So, other than heating your house with electricity while getting a bit of light, and supporting China’s economy, what does that prove?
This is interesting because January 2010 was equally cold in Florida which had some of its coldest weather ever especially in the first two weeks of the year.
Usually, anomalies like these arrive near the front end of a cooling climate episode. The unusually strong heat waves in some regions this summer could well be a natural sort of feedback as the climate is apparently entering a higher variability phase, again something that comes and goes throughout history.
I think that we’re going to see a revised sort of global climate theory taking over the spotlight fairly soon, one that is more realistic and less ideologically driven. There are many people clamouring for it within the atmospheric sciences too, because this distorted political version is just plain embarrassing for many long-time meteorologists especially private forecasters like most TV mets in the states.
The problem now is going to be establishing any sort of order in this total anarchy where you have some people off the deep end about warming, others perhaps vastly over-reacting on the cold side using exactly the same (reverse) logic, so that a more balanced assessment is difficult to come by or use as a consensus. In reality though, I think what we’re actually seeing is a growing variability of climate. This has more of chance of morphing into a colder regime than into a warmer regime, based on past events. A similar period of increasing variability was probably the century before the LIA started, and also perhaps 1820 to 1840 which preceded a colder phase that lasted almost a century.
From Jerry Pournelle’s blog
few rational people would “deny” that temperatures have been rising since the end of the Little Ice Age. We all know that the Hudson froze over solidly enough for cannon from Ticonderoga to be taken across the frozen Hudson to General Washington at Haarlem Heights in the year 1776. The Hudson hasn’t frozen that solidly since before the Civil War. Temperatures are certainly rising: the question is, how long have they been rising; by how much; are they rising now faster than they were rising in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries; and in all cases, the key questions are by how much, and how accurately can that be determined. I can confidently say that temperatures in North America rose between 1776 and 1875; there are many accounts of skating on the Hudson, snow fall, growing seasons, dates when streams froze and when the winter ice broke up, and so forth. We can be very confident that temperatures were rising. (We have similar data from Europe, and to a lesser extent from Asia, South America, and Australia.) What we can’t say is just how much they rose, or what the absolute temperature of the Earth was in 1776 and in 1875. We don’t really have any means of determining worldwide temperature to an accuracy of a single degree today, nor did we have them in the past. Thanks to pioneers like Singer we have better means of determining temperatures now, but they are all dependent on assumptions, and the notion that they are accurate to a single degree is absurd.
And I note that whether this is the warmest year since 1910 or not, it’s not asserted by anyone that it’s much warmer. We’re still talking about numbers to a single degree. If I really wanted to compare the temperature in 1910 to that of 2010, I’d probably go digging into records of ice formation and ice breakup, growing seasons, and the kinds of stuff I’d find in the Farmer’s Almanac. Tree rings and the like coupled with Navy sea temperature records and medical logs at various bases and the like may give you a pretense of greater accuracy — probably they are more accurate — but to assert that you know how to average those data into a world temperature accurate to a single degree is absurd. Yet that is precisely what many of the global warming alarmists assert. They publish charts in which the temperatures vary about plus and minus one degree. Some show larger “hockey sticks”; it’s easy to change the “world temperature” by a couple of degrees just by changing the weights given to the various (often inferred) temperatures.
The point here is not that there is no global warming. It’s not that it’s a good idea to increase the CO2 levels in the atmosphere or to pump out more CO2. The point is that assuming we know more than we do, and vigorously asserting that we should spend trillions of dollars on remedies derived from the knowledge we do not have, is not a prudent decision.
Bolivia has a first nations marxist president elected by a first nations majority electorate. Being so close and in tune with nature, it is surprising they got caught like this. Good thing there is all that natural gas and oil they stole from foreign companies to keep them warm.
Disco Evo… before fame brought him to the masses… from Humberto Fontova, regular contributer to Babalu, humanevents, Big Jounalisim… others….
http://babalublog.com/2010/08/disco-evo-morales/
oh there is that other little bit regarding Argentina importing all that extra natural gas this cool season in order not to freeze to death because of global warming.
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This event has nothing to do with Global Warming, it has to do with drug dealers using chemicals in the refining and processing of cocaine.
Unprecedented: Nothing like this has ever been seen in this magnitude in Bolivia.
I doubt if the coke refining just started up or increased significantly just recently.
Galt, it’s my protest against government legislating what kind of light bulbs I use. It’s patently absurd the machinations of government would consider such a law to be within the legitimate purview of legislators.
I certainly wasn’t trying to impress you, Galt, and if you’re honestly suggesting you had no idea what I’m “trying to prove”, then we don’t have much common ground for discussion, anyways. Most of what I’d speak about would fly right over your head. I’d also suggest you consider changing your forum handle.
“John Galt”, thank you for referencing Jerry Pournelle’s thoughts.
Galt, it’s my protest against government legislating what kind of light bulbs I use. It’s patently absurd the machinations of government would consider such a law to be within the legitimate purview of legislators.
How does government legislate what light bulbs you use?