Find an anti-Semite.
Director Oliver Stone belittled the Holocaust during a shocking interview with the Sunday Times today, claiming that America’s focus on the Jewish massacre was a product of the “Jewish domination of the media.”
The director also defended Hitler and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and railed against the “powerful lobby” of Jews in America.
Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series “Secret History of America,” seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin “in context.”
I can’t believe people even bother arguing this anymore.
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I think I have figured the Left’s love affair with Hitler. After all he was against eating meat, anti-smoking and placed animal rights above those of human beings.
ebt,
While the Wannsee Conference did take place after the Russian invasion, that was just the full gearing up of the “Final Solution”. Systematic killing of Jews had already been going on for some time, and concentration camps had been built as far back as 1933, including Dachau, though Jewish murders didn’t really get going there until quite a bit later (1938-ish?). Early writings also indicate that this was Hitler’s (and others’) plan from the outset, so I don’t think one can say the decision was made after the invasion; that’s just when it became “official” policy. Keep in mind that Hitler’s Chancellery made Jews–even ones born in Germany–“guest citizens” and removed their ability to do just about anything. So the writing was quite visibly on the wall long before Wannsee. Especially in hindsight.
I’m not sure, though, how you arrived at the conclusion I said anything about Stalin being complicit with the German invasion of Russia.
if Stalin was a ‘socialist’ so socialism = evil
then Hitler was ‘Christian’, so Christianity = ?
really?
this is a left wing blog looking in the mirror, who thinks they are different
6,000,000 jews killed
out of how many, historians now think hitler “killed” between 15 and 50 million
the 9 to 14 million have largely been ignored over time because the jews (hollywood) made films about only 6 million, and the news only reported about 6 million
my father, a gypsy, was lucky to survive 1-1/2 years in a concentration camp, as historians feel that the gypsies suffered the greatest % of kill ratio
so carry on with the IGNORANCE, the holocaust is only about 6 million jews. Maybe stone will talk about the silent deaths!!!!
If you re-read the article about Oliver Stone but his name wasn’t mentioned, is there anything about his views that would be different from that of a devout Ku Klux Klan member?
The fact that there isn’t a massive outcry from Jewish Leftists clearly shows what their real religion has become – namely that their Judaism has been supplanted by the Religion of Leftology.
arc – You can’t be serious. Hitler wasn’t a Christian; the Nazis invented a sort of ersatz neo-paganism for themselves. Reactionary Catholicism as I understand it had some connection with Spanish and Italian Fascism, but not with Nazism.
Stalin’s millions of murders were committed in the process of trying to force socialism onto the Soviet Union.
huh…stones a little bit of a abrasive weirdo but… what’s stone saying here that was actually untrue?
30 million russians, untold millions of slavs and 6 million jews killed by Hitler. George bush’s grandpa and brown-harriman DID finance the nazis-thats why he was convicted ounder the trading with the enemy act….ford sold them motors too. nothing to debunk really and the Krupps, farben, siemans and other large german corps did support hitler-he couldnt have done it without them. So yeah…stone says hitler was an asshole but hardly acted alone. I don’t find that to be support for hitler. the fact that the various jewish lobbying concerns have worked the holocuast to the point its better known than the things that happened in the baltics or russia…hardly comes to the level of jew hating. its simply true….and stone does have one point: in venezuela, you can vocally attack the governrmnet and not be killed by right wing paramilitaries (or left wing paramilitaries) because there arent any ,unlike in columbia where people are killed everry day for thier political beliefs by both leftists and rightists. What you can’t do in Venezuela is use funds from US AID and the CIA to incite coups through your private TV stations…
Oh well, this post i’m sure will be deleated shortly…and even if it werent, you’d be unable to argue with me on anything like the actual merits…meanwhile I see that conservative commenters in various chat rooms mand yahoo news make distinctly anto semitic comments all day long…just google ‘Rahm Emanuel’ and ‘comments’ sometime…
Of course the Hitler and Stalin were bossom buddies. After all they BOTH attacked Poland in 1939 – half (the eastern part) got taken by USSR and the western by Hitler.
As for the jews, “progressive” movements and anti-semitism. It has long history. Many “progressive” jewish people in Russia supported communism and in the first KGB purges (it was then called Cheka) many purged members were the (secular) jews.
Black Mamba
Stalin did not try to force socialism on population, Stalin experimented with communism.
I think stalin may have given some lip service to communism but what he did more closely resembled industrial stregth tsarism; only with him as the tsar
or to paraphrase Gandi- we’ll never know if communism could work because no one’s ever actually tried it…
“Stalin did not try to force socialism on population, Stalin experimented with communism”
Ella, Get real! You need a short History Lesson.. The Russian Communist Revolution took place during the First World War and it was those betrayals that setup the events & attitudes that resulted in WW11.
The Marxists had infiltrated the officer ranks of the Military and they engaged in “treason” designed to convince the military that the Czar’s generals were incompetent The Marxist’s of Russia provided the Marxists of Germany with Russian Battle Plans. It was this treason, within the Army, that was blamed on the Czars Generals and resulted in demoralizing the Army. The Russian army left the battle field (twice) & was convinced to support the Marxists. Russia made peace with Germany before the end of WW1. Lenin promptly took power & purged both the Czars regime and his own traitors. Dead men don’t tell tales or pose a political threat…
The German Marxists, who had reached levels of patriots, then turned on Germany and through treason provided the allies with the Intelligence needed to defeat Germany…. Hitler was not crazy when he said Germany had been betrayed. He blamed the Jews. Hitler was a tool of the communists until he turned on them…
If we look at America over the last 60 years we see the same acts of treason, betrayal and demoralizing of our Military. This is the mantra of Communism….
Who’s Oliver Stone?
Philip g. Shaw
How your “lesson” pertains to what I wrote? And what is your “lesson”- are you trying to tell me that Stalin tried to force socialism on people, too?
It’s funny how communism and socialism are the same in the minds of some Americans.
Your “history” lesson is what some people in America think of Europe’s history , looking
through the prism of their own history, background and beliefs.
btw I do not need History Lesson from YOU. My family LIVED the history you want to give me a lesson in.
Well, sorry, marc, but you can’t equate the occasional opportunistic killing of groups of Jews with the organized attempt of the extermination of the entire race, without venturing a lot further into holocaust denial territory than I’m willing to escort you. Obviously Hitler wanted his country – his entire domain – rid of Jews. Obviously he was quite happy to kill them whenever that was expedient. Less obviously, he did not at first insist on kiiling them, and most Jews, in Germany and in western Europe, were able to flee. There were very substantial numbers of Jews who fell into German hands in the earlier years and were exiled, not killed. But the Wannsee Conference represented a fundamental shift in attitude and policy, and it is only at that point that it becomes meaningful to talk about the Holocaust. And I think that is an event important enough to deserve to be spoken of meaningfully.
So, since the Holocaust was the consequence to the conquest of Russia, it stands to reason that to co-operate in the Holocaust, Stalin would have had to be complicit in the conquest which triggered it. And there certainly have been Russians who, aware of Stalin’s nature and outraged at how abjectly unprepared Russia was for the German attack, assumed more or less reasonably that Stalin had indeed been complicit. My point is that though this might have been a reasonable belief, in the light of the facts it isn’t historically true.
reginakd – “Don’t you understand that anyone who criticizes Israel must be an anti-Semite?”
Well no, they needn’t be necessarily, but still a person asks hersef questions, such as: Why isn’t reginakd crying itself to sleep every night over the horrors happening in the Sudan/Congo/Saudi Arabia (try being a woman)/Pakistan/Every other Muslim Country/China/North Korea/India (Dalits)/Turkhmenistan/Russia/Indian Reserves in Canada/ etc. etc. et-sodding-c.
Israel is a civilized (not perfect) country in a barbarous world; why hate it? Why not get your panties into a twist about Mauritania? Oh, right… because you don’t give a $h*t about Mauritania.
So why do you give a %&!t about Israel?
Holy smokes. Reginakd got out of bed really late.
reginakd – “Why do you lie and make false assertions… Why do you guys take such pride in being liars?”
It’s a sex thing, silly!
Now, why do you support the enslavement of women in the Muslim world, the Hindu caste system, the genocide in the Sudan and the fact that Iran is imminently getting the bomb for to nuke Tel Aviv?
Take your time.
Reginakd – You certainly have a right to your opinions, and Black Mamba seems sometimes too sensitive re: anti-Semitism, as I am re: comments about the Whore of Rome, etc., but I do resent the circle jerk comment. It is crude and unnecessary.
–sorry for the thread bump–
ebt,
Sorry for the delay in responding. Last couple of days have been busy.
I think you’ve assumed a conclusion on facts not in evidence. How do you get that the Holocaust was a result of Operation Barbarossa?
Leaving aside your comment about denialism (WTF?), hindsight provides us with a pretty good view that Jewish extermination was always that nut-job’s plan. Years of transportation and extermination were preceded by more years of systematic dehumanisation, to make it easier for people to allow his atrocities to occur–and to participate in them. He, gradually at first and then at a more accelerated pace, removed every single, legal right German Jews had, including their citizenship. Government jobs, regular jobs, property rights, money, dignity, legal recourse: everything was systematically taken away from them, and in return they were given yellow stars and free showers. By the time Nazis were invading other countries, they stopped with the pretexts and just identified and killed (or ID’d, shipped, and killed in job lots–ignoring casual brutality, slave labour, and less savoury practices). The Holocaust started in 1933 after Hitler was “elected”, and to pretend anything else is disingenuous at best. The fact that wholesale, systematic slaughter started more or less around the time of Wannsee is merely an exclamation point to de facto policy. The ground-work had been done long since.
I think I’ve now argued myself out of any support of Stalin being directly complicit in the Nazi Holocaust; whether he was pursuing coincidental, parallel aims within his territory is a different argument.