Ignatieff tried very hard to change the channel on Sunday. This lead to much clapping and huzah from Liblogs. “Exactly the right tone.”…etc.
Of course, Mr Rae couldn’t have that. Off goes the attack poodle. This lead to much consternation on Liblogs.
hahahaaahaha, that’s funny coming from a dipshit.
Bobby Rae, Mo Strong’s nephew (Rae called him “Uncle Mo” while he was growing up — wait, he hasn’t done that yet — when he was a little boy) and Power Corporation’s pick (John Rae, his brother, is a CEO at the Liberal Puppet Master’s bizz) is getting a little too smart for his britches.
The spectre of high-living, Baby Point socialist giving away all of our money to the ever-growing nanny-state enterprises, which will profit most Canadians nothing — and, I suspect, will bankrupt us like the entitled cradle-to-grave Euro-weenies — riles me.
Go to your room, Bob. And, no, you can’t use the phone.
This is all good. Many in the liberal party want to leave, and are looking for a place to park their vote. The liberal and ndp forming a new party will be the catalyst to bring them over to the right side. It will take years for the democratic liberals to be considered a valid party and the infighting will provide entertainment for Canadians. It was a good day when Iffy the dud kicked Kinsella’s ass to the curb, and Kinsella the scorned, with the nod of his hero Crouton, set out to destroy the liberal party.
The subtext of those high-fives was “can we please now talk about something else.” The damage is done.
Please, Lance: that’s “led,” twice.
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hmmm, lemme see… $57,000 “fake lake” makes fiberals insane with rage…
totally ineffectual $2,000,000,000 pork barrel p.r. stunt… not so much.
go figure.
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The worst move the fed Libs made was to incorporate closet Dipper Bob Rae. He’s going to take them down from within.
Liberal democrats….go ahead.
It will not happen because the two parties are incompatible. From a policy perspective the tent is too large and cant remain up. How do you accomodate doctrinaire socialists with blue Liberals. Heck even Bob rae got sick of the harrangue and unreality from the left of the Ontario NDP…that dynamic hasnt changed. BTW that left is the majority of the NDP base.
So the waffle group will form again…and the waffle group will not allow the merger to take place. The Blue Liberals wont allow it to take place either. However, the play from the Liberals.
Talk merger, why not, if the NDP is dumb enough to let it happen the Liberals dominate due to numbers and the NDP dies and the socialsists can pound sand and form a new party. Or in the process of discussion the Liberals are able to demonstate that there is only one alternative to a Con governemnt. In business terms you face a choice when confronted with a weak competitor, do you buy the competition or do you let them fail and just pick up the customers.
Often it is cheaper, and cleaner to just get the customers.
This gambit shows off the weakness of Iggy, the Chretiens wing 1st goal, it also highlights the futility of the NDP, their second goal. The Chretien wing want Iggy gone to install a “progressive leader” that will peel off NDP voters….that is the traditional road to Liberal success.
The flaw, the NDP is a pretty solid set of political operators right now. They are engaged in a similar stunt. If they ever get polling numbers that match or exceed the Liberals the game becomes theirs to lose. They are trying to make the Liberals look irrelevant as well.
But as I said, policy wise, as opposed to tribe wise…the tent is too big and cant hold itself up. The left wing and Blue Liberals might respectively hold their noses for one election, but win or lose one or the other is going to agitate.
I also do not see them winning a majority without the Bloc being eroded. Any significant erosio of Bloc support will peel off some seats to the Cons in Quebec as well.
Anyway, good luck to them, the con vote is solid, the others not so much.
Socialist Patronage Party has the ring of truth to it and would be a real grabber en francais.
I think the problem with the Liberals is that they long ago fell into a mentality that focused only on themselves as a ‘corporation’ so to speak.
That is, as a Brand Name. The Liberal Party. The fact that they had NO policies, NO program..and just The Name..didn’t occur to them. Liberals considered themselves as The Government. Their lack of policy and programs went unnoticed because for them, the only task of a political party was to GOVERN. Not to offer policies and programs for the electorate to choose. But to GOVERN.
Governing meant, running the country as they saw it, which meant big government, the welfare nanny state, big authoritarian bureaucracy. None of these systems were viewed as ‘policies’. They were simply ‘How Government Operates’. None of these systems were up for debate because, after all, a government…simply governs. There’s nothing to debate.
The Liberals as a Brand Name rather than a political party with specific policies, then focused only on one factor for the electorate to choose from. The Leader. That became the sole area of choice. From Trudeau on, the choice of which party..was really..all about the Leader. That was Chretien’s key focus. And Martin as well. And Dion. And Ignatieff. And Rae is trying for it.
Notice that even with this talk of a merger, the focus is on The Brand Name. Not a whisper about policies and programsm to offer to the electorate for debate and discussion. Not a word. Again, the Liberals are focusing only on the Brand Name and..the Leader.
That’s good news! Two birds with one stone: it will get rid of the NDP and move the Liberals to the left where they belong. It can only work in favour of the Conservatives. I always liked the two party system.
The story here is what did Bob Rae promise Kinsella to help destroy the liberal party from the inside out?
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“They were simply ‘How Government Operates’.”
Good point. I’m wondering how on earth the so-called progressive/liberal politicians can campaign, let alone govern, when we have reached the end of the debt and deficit path. There’s nothing left to hand out, no way to subsidize groups, or expand the government base.
What’s left for them to say?
I will tell you what is left for them. The liberals have nothing, no leader, no platform or polices, and most of all, no money. That means they will have to adapt to whatever crazy idea the ndp come up with. We all know the ndp can come up with some real whacked out stuff. There is not a chance in hell that the Newer Ndp will be considerd an alternative vote in the next 20 or so elections.
“Warren Kinsella, former adviser to Jean Chrétien, says Liberal and the NDP insiders are discussing the possibility of forming a new party – CBC”
lol, just move the quotation marks from the footer at the bottom of the picture of Kinsella and I think that pretty much explains The Mother Corpse
In other news,
Lizzy “Beavus Oralus” May of the Green Party is having secret meetings with Gilles “Buttheadus Marxismus” Duceppe of the Bloc Quebecois for a possible merger.
The GREEN BLOC would eliminate all carbon based energy in Canada, let the US take over the Canadian territory in an understanding that the Green Bloc party would become a third party along with the US Republican and Democrat parties. After each election, the Green Bloc would always be Guaranteed the Opposition benches which they could then start blackmailing for equalisation payments and other socialist redistribution of wealth or else separate.
The Obama White House was consulted and really liked the idea except for the separation part where they said: “We do not see the threat of secession necessary as our current agenda of eliminating dirty capitalist energy and social justice matches the Green Bloc proposals”.
Duceppe was OK with that except for the words “separation” or “secession” which he would like to see “Continental Sovereignty Association” instead.
“If a breakup occurs, it would only be fair we still use the currency and all existing infrastructure like Defense for example” he said.
…it will get rid of the NDP and move the Liberals to the left where they belong ~ Kroket at 9:29 AM
I see that more as getting rid of the Liberals.
Update:
Gilles Duceppe was under pressure by the Loi 101 dept that the proposed new party name, “GREEN BLOC” is unnacceptable.
After much rambling, posturing and endless debate like any development debate in Quebec which seldom produces anything worthy instead paralysis in legislation in the end, this time a final proposal was sucessfully reached:
“GREEN BLOC VERT”.
Like any Canadian box of cereal or soap, double language jargon is mandatory.
Should this merger go ahead (sure hope so), then the nickname of the new party will have to combine Dippers and Grits, while still keeping the name short:
The new name is: Dits
Combining votes/seats from previous elections rarely works with a new/combined party. Just ask the Reformers and PCers.
Any merger (trial balloon IMO) would surely move the new party left of the old Liberal party. Harper will easily exploit that.
Even in the most optimistic scenarios, the new party would be lucky to win more seats than the Tories, most likely be in minority, so would have to rely on them for support – or the Bloc that is.
I hope they go for it, this would be quite interesting. The new leader would likely be Bob Rae. Most Canadians do not want him, Layton or Ignatieff as PM (nope, not buying hypothetical, between elections polls).
Harper will pick them off, policy by policy, leader by leader, gaffe by gaffe. I’m sure he’s secretly hoping the merger happens.
It won’t though, the Liberal establishment won’t go for it. Nor should they.
Special K looks pretty rough in that photo eh? I guess being a Liberal Party yes-man is a tougher job than I thought. Either that or all the drugs he did as a kid are catching up with him.
This just up @ Toronto Sun
Liberals & NDP Deny Coalition Talks
Laura Payton – Toronto Sun
IMO: Of course they are going to deny it, Because it will not happen until an Election has occured & If the vote results are close to allow them to try their little coup again Only this time minus the BQ)
Bryanr: I think this denial of the talks is just a case of “plausible deniability”. They run up the trial balloon (talks proceeding regarding merger) to see which way the wind blows but then deny the talks (so they can claim it’s all nonsense if the wind blows the wrong way).
They’re talking.
Re: The new name is: Dits
I would have gone with “Grippers”, given their storied history of holding on to their brown bags full of money.
The Whinoceros Party.
Although I have to say that GREEN BLOC VERT would be a good leg-up for of our global reputation as GREEN DORKS VERT.
@The Phantom – I’m a year older than Warren and, not boasting here, just stating a fact – I look ten years younger. I think the operative mechanism of his accelerated decrepitude might be *hatred* rather than drugs.
Hatred of Asian restaurateurs just for starters.
“GREEN BLOC VERT”.
ROGLMAO I Luv it:)
I think Stephan and ET sum up the situation quite well, and I have to agree with glas that “I see that more as getting rid of the Liberals”. The Dippers exist solely because they’re NOT LIBERALS.
I think I mentioned this on another thread but I didn’t follow-up.
Any pre-election merger would require a cull of half the politicians running for seats. Any volunteers? I think not. The best strategy for obtaining power is to run against each other and then attempt Coup Scam Deux. This is the only path to victory; and, a bias media will do its best to convince Canadians that this is “normal”. I’ve already heard clips of Lefties saying that the coalition government in England is justification for such a coup. Obviously it’s not, but it’s all about perception.
I think PMSH agrees with me and thus has seen the necessity to replace the GG expecting another Constitutional crisis.
I love how “Big Business” is demonized…they mean the PRODUCTIVE part of society that pays their bills…yet “Big Government” is the angel as long as it’s from the Left. Plus ca change….
I’m loving Bernier though!! Donation to follow to his campaign if possible.
A pox on both their houses. Desperation leads to the rationalization that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Voters can attach to a number of emotions but I am guessing that a merger of parties based entirely on desperation is not one of them.
Mens, mens.
Mao Stlong, Liberal leader Boob Lae’s Uncle Mo ask:
You wan coarition?
Vote Boob.
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“Dutch May Face Months of Coalition Talks After Tied Election
BusinessWeek – Jurjen van de Pol – 33 minutes ago
June 10 (Bloomberg) — Dutch political leaders may face months of talks to form a coalition government after projected election results showed the Labor Party led by former Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen and Mark Rutte’s Liberals tied …”
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http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2010/06/09/which-is-worse-fake-lake-or-fake-coalition/#comment-83303
First, does anyone really believe that Bob Rae joined the Liberal party for any other reason than to try to “unite” the “Left”?
Second, uniting the “Left” won’t be as easy as the Conservative-Reform merger. Why, you ask? NDP’ers who want to vote Liberal already do, influenced by the constant propaganda to vote “strategically”. Those who don’t — around 15% of the population — will look for a non-Liberal party to vote for and find the Greens well-established and ready to take their vote. No such option existed on the right after the Cons-Reform merger.
Within 10 years of any such merger, the Conservatives will have grown stronger as the Liberal party sheds its right flank to move left. The Green party will have taken the NDP’s place as the fourth party in Parliament. The Bloc will still dominate Quebec, which is more open to the Greens than the rest of the country.
What will the Liberals have gained?