17 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: We’re Winning”

  1. Yay!
    Real science is going to win against junk science.
    “I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like victory. Someday this war’s gonna end…”
    ~Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore(Apocalypse Now)

  3. Movies versus reality…
    I recall a hill over by Cambodia that Victor Charles had fortified with bunkers and tunnels. That walk up the hill was deadly….and unforgetable.
    Charlie had just ducked and was still there.
    The enemy in this instance has successfully confused benigh CO2 with REAL POLUTION and a critcal mass still drinks the koolaid—43% to be specific.

  4. Obama made this decision easily – it’s a no brainer.
    Option A – produce energy in the US. Take flack from all the lefties about environmental impact, etc.
    Option B – continue buying energy from abroad. Take flack from even more lefties about environmental impact abroad, globalization, shipping american jobs to foreign markets, supporting hostile governments with poor human rights records, displacing local populations, profiting from third-world labour prices, stealing a country’s resources, etc. (I’m sure I forgot a few).
    What would you do?

  5. Are you confusing his announcement of last week with an energy policy aimed at increasing production? He did precisely the opposite. He shut down large areas of production while announcing they’ll open others to “exploration”.
    It resulted in a net loss of drilling area.

  6. That change in attitude happens when enough people realized how much this AGW lunacy will cost them personally.
    This isn’t about paying a bit more to gas your car, this about not being able to afford to gas your car or heat your home because the ghouls in government have taken away your wealth. They figure they know how to spend it to make everyone’s life better.
    We all know that can’t work.

  8. From climate alarmist acquaintances, I often received links to Gore, Monbiot, Mann, the UN, Suzuki, ect.
    To the alarmists, I send links to sda, WUWT, Climate Audit, Patrick Moore, Monckton, ..
    ‘You know you have won when’ – they are now sending me links to – ‘having a snooze is healthy’, and ‘space station pictures’ and ‘ancient mathematical formula and ..

  9. Inspite of public concerns, Obama and company are continuing the war on energy production.
    From Planetgore, Chris Horner:
    Remember the Obama administration’s refusal to release water to California farmers, leaving them suffering in the name of a fish (only to agree to a deal releasing some water after two members of Congress agreed to support his health-care takeover)? Bear that cold-blooded ideological putsch in mind when you consider his effort to shut down what are the best-paying jobs in certain areas, devastate communities dependent on mountaintop coal, and of course put us all at risk by recklessly foreclosing 10 percent of the U.S. coal supply. Because the war on Appalachia is in the name of a bug. No one could possibly be that heartless, right?
    http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTk1N2YyNzc0ZDUwNzZlYmY3N2RiYzJiMTE0MDdlZjU=
    The bug in question:
    Trading Jobs For Bugs In Coal Country
    By WILLIAM YEATMAN AND JEREMY LOTT Posted 09/02/2009 06:29 PM ET
    Mayflies are, by scientific classification, not long for this world…They may soon serve a second, far more annoying function if President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has its way. Emboldened by Obama’s campaign pledge to “bankrupt” coal, EPA regulators have been aggressive of late. Bug protection may well give them an excuse to wreck coal mining in Appalachia.
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=505130&Ntt

  10. Greens and the ignorant souls who drink their Kool Aid think that the locking-up of domestic hydrocarbons (on top of their legacy of halting US nuclear development) has something to do with the planet’s environment. It does not. The only thing that has been accomplished is to force the US to fund both sides of the everlasting “wars on terror” while deindustrializing the domestic economy. Global environmental impacts have increased because of the Greens and their watermelon antics. Greens, like their Marxist brethren with whom they are now embedded, will ultimately be responsible for the deaths of millions of people and global environmental degradation.

  11. Gallup speculates that the fact that Americans want increased oil, gas and coal production even as they are less worried than about the U.S. energy situation can be be explained by the economic downturn, but there’s a simpler and far more likely explanation for the coexistence of the two views: the number of people who believe in AGW has dropped considerably in the last few years.
    Since fewer and fewer people believe that energy production will to lead to environmental Armageddon, it makes perfect sense that there’s also going to be less opposition to energy production, regardless of what the economic situation is.

  13. An neat follow-up question and graph would be how much those questioned researched or followed the issue. My bet is that the more they knew about AGW the less they believed it was a problem.
    And if that’S true it is death to the cause within a few years.
    Hallelujah.

  15. Illiquid Assets, the Norwegians have to be the most hypocritical nation on the earth.
    They kill whales and they build their economy on offshore oil revenues and then they set up foundations like this and sponsor their environmentalists to go forth and criticise. But strangely, there doesn’t seem to be much criticism of the home practises.
    They only do this kind of things to asuage their guilt.

  16. Y2Kyoto: We’re Winning
    Not without the excellent work done by you & others Kate. You worked hard on this, even as the opposition morons broke a few rotten eggs hurled at us. Thanks to your shield of facts with rationality. They become impotent with the stink transfered to them of the lies produced by these science. Pretenders for power, stuck in their own obsessions.
    JMO
    JMO

  17. I’ve been looking at that chart and it strikes me that it begins with our side, the real science side, having a 16 point gap below the Warmists in 2001.
    Then we start to close the gap up until 2004 with a groundswell of public opinion because why?
    Maybe Steve McIntyre debunking the hockey stick graph or what exactly?
    And then we lose serious support right around 2006, which was when Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” crockumentary made it’s impact on the chowder heads.
    Finally we climb back with steady unrelinquished gains with, maybe, ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ which wasn’t released until 2007 before the East Anglia CRU releases in November 2009.
    Is the chart sloppy or does anyone have an explanation, please?
    Maybe the gains were political, just as AGW is political, and a lot of people became aware that the American Democrats were going to go “all in” and the supporting bluff position that was so cool for some posers earlier because they saw the ‘Green Agenda’ as mere rhetoric suddenly became a real possibility of success and the bluffers weren’t willing to offer up their necks?
    I would welcome input from people who aren’t *Leftists.

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