119 Replies to “Hearts, Flowers, And Death To Israel”

  3. The stark differences between Christian and Muslim demonstrations are the messages on display. Typically, Christian messages will be about love, forgiveness and tolerance. The muslim messages are……..(fill in the blanks).

  5. My invisible almighty deity, can beat that crap out of your invisible almighty deity.
    *The invisible has much in common with the non-existent.*
    I agree with the right on pretty much everything except for their belief in imaginary magical mystery beings who are all might, all wise and all kind and who created this totally screwed up disgusting excuse of a planet for the some of the most whacked out, dangerous, stupid, evil people in the galaxy and whose victims number in the billions and who lead lives of pointless suffering and toil and oh ya … over taxation.

  6. Hey momar, Lets see how much you pray when your in a foxhole with death all around. I’m willing to bet millions you sing a different tune.

  8. Momar, the only difference between the two sides are that one lets you choose your faith and the other will eventually ban your faith.

  9. Human beings are born with free will.
    Christians believe it. Mohammedans, atheists and all totalitarian policital systems, including marxism and National Socialism, do not.
    That could help explain the differences in outcomes between successful nations and failed nations.
    Momar, living is very easy with your eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.
    Open your eyes, your heart and your mind and you will see the distinction is quite clear.

  10. Atheists do not believe in free will?
    What else do I not believe in besides the obvious, set you free? You seem to be an expert on what I think.
    Very possibly the dumbest thing I have read here, outside of the average new post.

  11. When I see stuff like that it makes me SO glad I left Toronto all those years ago. Every time I go back I’m reminded of why I left and appreciate my bucolic location even more. My last visit was to the air show, the friggin’ pig ignorant yobs pretty much ruined that for me.
    Imagine getting up in somebody’s face who’s just standing there minding their own business, and demanding their name at a public event. WTF kind of society is that to live in? I’m fortunate to have missed the whole thing, or I’d surely be in jail.
    Think I’ll go outside and contemplate the neighbor’s hay bales for a while.

  12. Knacker,
    The Progressives have already pretty much banned Christianity … they don’t have the nerve to mess with Allah though.
    Let me be clear, I agree with Christian tenets, they make sense and the rules are there to help us all lead a civilized life and to live in harmony with others. That’s all good … but the magical part … where there isn’t a shred of evidence that an almighty deity exists, is just too big a stretch for a realist like myself.
    God and heaven was a great idea when a small child lost a parent or grand-parent or even a pet … how do you pacify the child? Simple tell him that they are in heaven with god, waiting for the rest of us to live happily ever after for all eternity.
    Do any of you know how long eternity really is? I can tell you … it’s long enough for you to get really sick of playing golf or whatever else it is you are doing whilst rolling around in heaven all day.
    What a great fantasy, what a great control tool.
    Here are the real choices: You can believe in the state, as many on the left do, or an invisible deity who may or may not have a personal interest in each and everyone of the several billions of humans on the planet, as many on the right do … or … you can believe in yourself as only true free-thinking humans can do.
    The first two choices can and will sell you out.

  13. Momar instead of saying there is no evidence try being a good scientist and looking for some evidence to confirm or deny your pet theory. You remind me of the guy standing beside the microscope solemnly swearing there is no evidence of microbial life in water.

  14. I dabbled in atheism, for awhile, and decided it makes people just as miserable as any other belief system. Now, I just keep an open mind, and try not to piss off the spirit world.
    If I have to choose, I’ll side with Christians every time. Even the fanatical ones aren’t out to behead everyone who doesn’t agree with them.
    Their only weakness is the inability to believe some people can’t be “saved”. They’ve allowed islam to regain a foothold, and in today’s high tech world, that’s a deadly situation. We can no longer depend on their stupidity to keep them in their place. It’s just too easy to steal someone else’s technology, and use it against them.

  15. back in I think it was 2006, June, there was a pro-palestinian rally at the city park.
    well, I ‘parked’ myself across the street and held a star of david flag out at arm’s length for the better part of half an hour (try it some time, feel the weight). I responded to the reporters’ question by explaining June is the new Jew-for-a-day month.
    momar doesn’t ‘get’ the concept of eternity; the trick is to not impose the limitations ie time, distance, onto the Almighty. (hint: time can be slowed down, stopped, reversed or entirely done away with when you’re Him)

  16. The Progressives have already pretty much banned Christianity … they don’t have the nerve to mess with Allah though.
    Well said.

  17. Flatworms have one neuron. Can a flatworm appreciate a top fuel dragster?
    We are not even flatworms compared to the observed universe. Therefore I reserve judgment on most things.

  18. The people who invent things should come up with the proof, not the skeptics.
    Applies to God as well as AGW.

  19. momar doesn’t ‘get’ the concept of eternity; the trick is to not impose the limitations ie time, distance, onto the Almighty. (hint: time can be slowed down, stopped, reversed or entirely done away with when you’re Him)
    C’mon now, that’s just too funny. You must be a science fiction writer …

  20. Johan i Kanada: Life isn’t like that. Proof is never proof for those who never experience. Proof offered should I accept it is simply my accepting another’s word. Since no one experienced the “Big Bang” the Big Bang theory remains just that, a theory. There is no ‘proof’. There is simply evidence which can be interpreted according to one’s bias.

  21. Joe,
    I am not sure what your point is, but the principle does not change. If one comes up with the idea of God, or AGW, or Big Bang, or whatever, it is that person’s responsibility to support that claim with evidence, observations, theories, etc. It is not the skeptics’ responsibility to provide negative proof.
    Re: the Christendom vs Islam topic, my vote, despite, or perhaps because of, being an atheist lutheran, goes to Christendom.

  22. Joe, isn’t da proof da proof and therefore the proof is, well, within da proof?
    Defaulting to God for the exclusive source of one’s beleifs (perhaps including spelling) raises all sorts of other questions.

  23. Quite the contrast. One group carries signs like “God is Love” and “God is Good,” while the other group is in high dudgeon whenever they’re on the march, portraying other people – Jews, for example – as inherently evil. One group preaches equanimity, and that offense is the bait of satan, while the other teaches that those who cause offense must be punished.
    Any overlap between the two groups is minimal – as rare as an apparition on a dog’s butt – and mostly limited to comments at SDA.
    /:>`>

  24. Momar, I like you and everything but I must disagree. If man is the pinnacle of the universe, then it wouldn’t matter what we embraced because we’re all screwed given that- as you have alluded to- man has messed up the place. If God created the world and man in it then man’s choices ruined an otherwise nice plot of land.
    It’s just how I feel.
    As much as I don’t care for the theatrics, I think it’s very telling how Christians behave and how Muslims (et al) behave. One is motivated by joy, the others not so.
    Just saying.

  25. My point Johan i Kanada is simply that no amount of ‘evidence’ is sufficient to provide proof to one who will not accept it. I can ‘prove’ the sky is blue but should you determine that the sky is green no amount of proof on my part will convince you of your error. Thus my point is to as far as possible, without pride or prejudice seek evidence both for and against one’s beliefs. Having done so, take the evidence you have and again without pride or prejudice determine which is closer to the truth.

  26. Joe,
    The very fact that we can observe ourselves and the stars in the sky is at least some evidence that that the big bang may have occurred. That is one theory, but there may be others.
    There is no evidence of an almighty deity to be found anywhere, but in the writings of people from the distant pass for whom there is a theory whereby they were schizophrenics who heard ‘voices’ and claimed that they were recieving instruction from god.
    We give those people medication now, not a stage or a podium. That theory makes more sense to me than believing, with no evidence, that magic prevails.

  27. And Joe, you have succeeded in convincing me that the sky is blue, because the EVIDENCE is right above me.

  28. Actually Momar I didn’t convince you that the sky is blue by evidence. I said the sky was blue and you agreed that the sky was blue except that I don’t even know what colour you see when you say blue. In other words, convention is not evidence or proof. Thus it is with Christianity. People have been experiencing the Divine and recording these encounters for thousands of years. For example I read St Paul and notice that I have experienced some of what he experienced. You obviously have not experienced what I am talking about so you default to ‘that’s superstition’ position rather than try to experience what St Paul and I have experienced. To use a weary analogy Momar. St Paul and I looked up and agreed that the sky is blue. You are standing there with you eyes closed, saying the sky doesn’t exist.

  29. For an atheist who’s sensible about his lack of belief in a deity and chooses not to judge those who do, except by their actions, I’ll side with the Christians,thank you.
    My Mother is one of the few true Christians I know, by her actions, and she NEVER tries to convert anyone.
    For Mom’s sake, I hope I’m wrong in my atheism, and will meet all the false Christians in Hell together with the suicide bombers of that other religion.
    I don’t intend to be nice to any of them.

  30. Joe,
    This may be of interest to you.
    They have banned reading the bible in Vegreville AB.
    The reason?
    There are several mentions of St Paul in the bible and not a word about Vegreville.
    If you know Alberta, you will get the joke.

  32. Sung in a Ukrainian accent to the tune of “Oh Tannenbaum”:
    Oh breath of garlic
    heart of steel
    you must have come
    from Wagrawheel…

  33. The Phantom,
    I agree with your assessment of TO…I’m fortunate to live an hour north and am only ‘forced’ to watch the shenanigans…comedy hour…if it weren’t so sad and serious! World class?…yeah…right!
    I was going to jump into to ‘dog-god’ fray but your “Therefore I reserve judgement on most things” is a wise position that I also share. I think that agnosticism (“an intellectual doctrine or attitude affirming the uncertainty of all claim to ultimate knowledge”) should not be excluded from the debate. But I digress…
    Did you catch “Hawk One” at this year’s airshow?
    (question is rhetorical in nature and not meant to break the thread, Kate. It’s a segue to “High Flight”, a favourite poem of mine, by Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr, 412 Squadron, RCAF). I won’t post it but you might like to. Others, from all sides, should read it and enjoy it’s wonder.

  34. If God does not exist, it does not matter. However if he does, it might be prudent to be on the safe side and at least make an honest attempt to live accordingly.

  35. “The very fact that we can observe ourselves and the stars in the sky is at least some evidence that that the big bang may have occurred.”
    Actually no Momar. Existence is not proof of how existence came into being. Big Bang simply offers a possible explanation for those who do not believe in the Divine. Those who believe in the Divine also believe in existence.

  36. “The very fact that we can observe ourselves and the stars in the sky is at least some evidence that that the big bang may have occurred.”
    Actually no Momar. Existence is not proof of how existence came into being. Big Bang simply offers a possible explanation for those who do not believe in the Divine. Those who believe in the Divine also believe in existence.

  37. > Hey momar, Lets see how much you pray when your in a foxhole with death all around. I’m willing to bet millions you sing a different tune.
    Anybody would pray in a foxhole with death all around. What do you think that proves?
    People invent religion when they’re facing death, or otherwise terrified and confused, and not in control of their situation.

  38. I had a discussion once with a real “man of God”, a priest, about the existence of God. In the end he, not me, decided that we had to “agree to disagree”.
    God did not create this universe and certainly not this planet of fools, because then God would have to be someone like Dennis Miller.

  39. http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/securityspending/articles/fy09_dod_request_global/
    On February 4, the Bush administration released its budget request for Fiscal Year 2009, which begins on October 1, 2008. For FY 2009, the White House is seeking $711 billion for the military — $541 billion for the Pentagon and the nuclear weapons-related activities of the Department of Energy, and, according to Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, at least $170 billion for ongoing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Total spending in world is 1.47 trillion dollar in year 2008
    Europe spend $289 billion china 122 billion and east asia and asutralia is 120 billion and middle east is $82 billion
    spend money to bomb muslim to help built Palsten and high rise for them or made water in African country or or rebuilt Afganstan thos money spend in USA is wrong way or all high interes in credit card and nobody know how they plan to made medi care and help poor in Canda and help welfare in Canda this is better to bomb Afanstan

  40. > If God does not exist, it does not matter.
    It matters, dude.

    Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday. “She got sicker and sicker until she was dead,” he said.

    Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

    The girl’s parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to “apparently they didn’t have enough faith,” the police chief said.

    They believed the key to healing “was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray,” he said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html
    This girl died because her parents rejected reason, as Martin Luther advised them to. Well done, guys.

  41. Any time I hear people malign others who adhere to religion as “weak” or “needing something”, I think how smug they are.
    If you don’t agree with religion, fine. That’s on you. But lump me or anyone else into a looney category because we would prefer to believe this entire universe was not an accident.
    Just my thoughts.

  43. Darrell your little story is proof of what? Foolish people do foolish things? I know several people who convinced themselves that God wanted them to be rich and set out to make it so. Soon after they went through bankruptcy. There are all kinds of ‘false prophets’ who beguile gullible people with falsehoods. Witness Al Gore.

  44. The debate over the existence/non-existence of God has been going on for thousands of years. It’s heartening to see that the issue will finally be put to rest today in the comments at SDA.

  46. The possible existence of a god or God or other sentient entity that guides the universe has never occurred to me as a possibility. In my world view this seems so ludicrous a notion that I couldn’t even begin to debate it with a believer. Maybe I’m wrong, but I am what I am.
    However, I believe that what I am is a basically decent person who does not do violence unto others, treats people fairly, is faithful to family and friends, and would help someone in need. I don’t care what people believe as long as they don’t believe that they have the right to tell me how to live my life. Some may regard most or all these as Christian values, but I see them as simply an internally consistent way to live my life and expect others to do the same. God telling me to live this way has nothing to do with why I live this way.
    I think that the world we live in now is a better one than the world most people lived 100, 500, or 1000 years ago, because of scientific, philosophical, and cultural advancement. I recognize that Judeochristian ideas and resultant civilizational progress are a part of how we have come to where we are now. Further, though in the past the same might not have been said, currently Christianity and Judaism are basically peaceful religions that are much more likely to turn the other cheek and try to help others than to head off on violent crusades against infidels.
    In contrast, Islamic theology and the Muslim world have given nearly nothing good to the world, certainly not in my lifetime, and this is the greatest force creating conflict and suffering in the world today.
    The two sides are not equivalent and I choose my side with a clear heart, notwithstanding that I don’t believe in the god of either side.
    But what is this silliness about atheists not having free will. Seriously – that’s just stupid.

  47. We are not even flatworms compared to the observed universe. Therefore I reserve judgment on most things.
    hantom
    “We are not even flatworms compared to the observed universe. Therefore I reserve judgment on most things.”
    How very true – we are so insignificant compared to the rest of the universe – smaller than a grain of sand, yet he knows everything about you -you can not breath your first or last without his knowing – our significance is in our insignificance. That is what causes Christians to fall on their knees and worship. He is so huge one can not imagine, yet we are so tiny and he has numbered the hairs on your head, a swallow does not fall without him knowing – that is how much he loves us. To get a better sense of this – read the book of Job (in the Bible) Chapters 39 and 40.

  48. The odd thing about God is that he honours your decision not to believe he exists. The only “proof” he gives – the viel is not lifted from your eyes – until you do have faith. The dull numbness goes away – you become alive and feel and see life and the world and creation for what it is – some all at once – some bit by bit – most of us can not handle being showen it all at once – to much for us. That is what Jesus meant when he said you must be born again to see the kingdom of God.

  49. But what is this silliness about atheists not having free will. Seriously – that’s just stupid.
    A dog returns to its vomit and a washed sow returns to her wallow.
    Seriously old Lori we are creatures limited by our nature. We Christians believe that we are afflicted by a fallen nature and thereby are bound to failure. Islamists believe that we are good and masters of our own destiny.
    Which most closely describes you?

  50. EBD: “It’s heartening to see that the issue will finally be put to rest today in the comments at SDA.”
    ——————–
    Well, it’s putting me to sleep.

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