“The world’s source for global temperature record admits it’s lost or destroyed all the original data that would allow a third party to construct a global temperature record.”
Andrew Orlowski (Register, UK)
The destruction (or loss) of the data comes at a convenient time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in East Anglia — permitting it to snub FoIA requests to see the data.
The CRU has refused to release the raw weather station data and its processing methods for inspection — except to hand-picked academics — for several years. Instead, it releases a processed version, in gridded form. NASA maintains its own (GISSTEMP), but the CRU Global Climate Dataset, is the most cited surface temperature record by the UN IPCC. So any errors in CRU cascade around the world, and become part of “the science”.
Professor Phil Jones, the activist-scientist who maintains the data set, has cited various reasons for refusing to release the raw data. Most famously, Jones told an Australian climate scientist in 2004:Even if WMO agrees, I will still not pass on the data. We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.
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Canadian statistician and blogger Steve McIntyre, who has been asking for the data set for years, says he isn’t impressed by the excuses. McIntyre obtained raw data when it was accidentally left on an FTP server last month. Since then, CRU has battened down the hatches, and purged its FTP directories lest any more raw data escapes and falls into the wrong hands.
More from Steve McIntyre, at Climate Audit.
Via Planet Gore
This is really unbelievable even by their standards.
You can give some of the “scientists” out there the feeble excuse that they are incompetent and just buying into this fraud because they were told to.
This is quite different. This is outright, deliberate fraud. As in the type the police ought to be investigating.
Don’t people in other fields actually end up losing their positions for this kind of astonishing blunder?
On the plus side, it means that no one has to listen to them anymore, since they can no longer say “We have the data to prove our assertions.” Now they just have unverified copies (at best) and outright fabrications (at worst). Not an enviable position to be in if you’re the original researcher…
Garth
The drawing of the dog eating the homework sums it all up.
This is the equivalent of the overworked paper shredders in the Enron escapade.
The “loss” of documentation is a strong sign of fraud.
“The “loss” of documentation is a strong sign of fraud.” John Luft
Very true, and Harper will follow the USA in their cap and trade with no facts. Again I wish one politician would state the truth and say Global Warming/Climate Change is not based on facts, but fearmongering and a money grab.
It will be interesting how Canada will follow DeYawn’s carbon tax under a different name just to destroy our fragle economy which is starting to improve.
Professor Jones ,by his statement,has admitted that there is something wrong with his interpretation of his own data.These people are unbelievable.
How inconvenient a truth is that?
No, Garth, it isn’t a blunder. People have been trying to get the raw temperature date for nearly 20 years. Jones and the CRU have been resisting this all along. The reason is simple: if you have the raw data, and you have their final product, you can work back to the methodology they used to go from the one to the other. Withhold the raw data and it remains an inscrutable black box.
This entire issue is about preventing any disclosure of what the AGW types like Jones have done in their analysis. So it’s not a blunder at all. After all, who says the data is actually destroyed or lost? Why would anyone believe the excuses of the CRU now after all of the misdirection and they’ve done to this point?
Kyoto = the biggest, most expensive fraud/hoax the world has ever seen. Bar none !
Heads shall roll. Especially in the media, the fraud’s promotional arm.
Nothing to hide. All on the up and up.
Dr. Jones is deathly afraid that the release of the data would provide the ammunition to bomb every bridge in front of his Gravy & Fame Train.
No more $$Million dollar grants, no more BBC interviews, no more paid trips to Bali . . . .
Dr Jones . . . the great Alchemist of Climate Scince.
On second thought isn’t “Climate Science” the new greatest oxymoron, replacing “honest politician” ??
CRU has battened down the hatches, and purged its FTP directories lest any more raw data escapes and falls into the wrong hands.
Wrong hands?
How can such a party exist? It’s temperature data, not plutonium.
This data should be open source, unless it’s being misused by the AGW Cult to drive an agenda.
The upside is, now the AGW Cult has no leg to stand on, nada.
We can say “Prove your conclusions.”, and they can only answer, “We have no proof, only conclusions.”
Sorry, no sale.
“Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.”
Even if you discount the rest of the mountain of evidence against AGW, this sentence alone proves that what we have here is not science.
No scientist would say that.
“People have been trying to get the raw temperature date for nearly 20 years”
Just like many Americans are trying to vet their current Prez that was never properly vetted for the commander in chief position according to the Constitution. Neither by the internal forces nor the MSM…”This story is dead, nothing to see here, move along”
This “lost of data” is creepy. More so now that the Global Warming jig is up for increasingly more people around the civilized world. Witness Australia just rejecting their Cap $ Tax scam. Bravo Ozzies!
Has the US pass Barry’s Cap & Tax yet? I think it made it through the house and sitting in congress.
Here’s another one the “UnAmerican right wing, FOX organized, birther, teabagging crazies” need to voice their discontent on next.
Freedom is in deep trouble. I am pleased to see my American cousins coming to it’s rescue.
If Harper moves on it, it will be his Dion moment; and we all know what happened to Stephanie-eats-hot-dogs-with-knife-and-fork.
In a perfect world, I’d be able to buy Calls on Bullets and Blindfolds Inc. for after the trials…
I see Big Climate is going into full CYA mode by leaving no way to analyze or replicate their “scientific” conclusions. The MSM should be all over this bombshell: scientific corruption, incompetence or fraud, political interference, corporatism…Then again anonymous sources, missing/misleading information, fabricating events, alarmism and outright deceit is the exact same method of operation as the “balanced and professional” media. The only difference is that the AGW business generates huge profits.
If Harper moves on it, it will be his Dion moment; and we all know what happened to Stephanie-eats-hot-dogs-with-knife-and-fork.
~Right Honorable Terry Tory
As if the Liberal/NDP/Bloc Coalition, don’t have a Green Shaft for Canada that’d make anything the CPC might do look pale in comparison.
Who do you think would replace the CPC in government, Terry Tory, the Libertarians?
I’m thinking this is one of those pants on fire moments.
When you’ve lied to get funding and approval, sooner or later someone is going to say, show me the beef.
I have a problem with the notion that world wide temperatures have or can be measured accurately. How many people buy the idea that the missing data in question could be reliably counted on as being accurate in the first place.
Where’s John Cross to explain all this? Come on, John! Tell me again why AGW is not a fraud and all this isn’t made up from whole cloth!
And can somebody tell me why, in this age of satellite remote sensing and surveillance, when I can see the kiddie slide in my neighbor’s back yard on Google Earth, FOR FREE, why don’t we have even one dedicated instrument in orbit recording surface temperatures?
Is it because they might discover an inconvenient truth? Naw, couldn’t be that! We can trust the “scientists”, right?
That pretty much seals it. With the loss/destruction of their original data, their results are now irreproducible, therefore no longer scientifically valid.
Forward the article to your MP
Actually that should read, “. . . their results are now irreproducible, therefore not scientifically valid.” Since they failed to make their original data available for scrutiny they never had scientifically valid results to begin with.
robins111 said: “When you’ve lied to get funding and approval, sooner or later someone is going to say, show me the beef.”
Not when the guys who funded you told you how they wanted it to come out, robins. 🙂 In that case you get paid extra for convenient hard drive failures.
Never let the facts stand in the way of a good scam.
Ever try to obtain the raw data from a media “public opinion” pollsters?
“Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.”
Uh, isn’t that sort of the definition of science?
The dog ate their homework.
That happened all the time to me when I was a kid….
John, Payn Attention, please comment. I would like to hear your defense of this.
pete, trolls don’t comment when its -their- sacred cow that’s being Gored.
Bwaha!
The Global Warming Truthers don’t want the real data . . . the words of a Nobel winning Warmonger Economist Thomas Schelling.
In simple English – “We have to lie”
“It’s a tough sell. And probably you have to find ways to exaggerate the threat. And you can in fact find ways to make the threat serious. I think there’s a significant likelihood of a kind of a runaway release of carbon and methane from permafrost, and from huge offshore deposits of methane all around the world. If you begin to get methane leaking on a large scale — even though methane doesn’t stay in the atmosphere very long — it might warm things up fast enough that it will induce further methane release, which will warm things up more, which will release more. And that will create a huge multiplier effect, and it could become very serious.
And you mean serious for everyone, including the United States?
Yes, for almost anybody.
And when you say, “exaggerate the costs” do you mean, American politicians should exaggerate the costs to the American public, to get American support for a bill that will overwhelmingly benefit the developing world?
[Laughs] It’s very hard to get honest people.”
rtr @ http://tinyurl.com/nwez8a
It is official.
na na na na
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hey hey hey
goodbye
The fat lady has left the building, after a fifth encore.
You know, the scientific counterarguments I’ve read I could probably have been persuaded out of, by a sufficiently enthusiastic debunker; I’m not a scientist, what do I know. But it’s behaviour like this, more than anything, that turned me into an AGW skeptic.
Scientists do not refuse to share data. Period. Paragraph. If you are keeping data proprietary you are not a scientist, you are an economic concern, and you are trying to sell me something.
Stephen:
Do you have to be send to re-education?
Your success is enough evidence of your guilt of oppressing the downtrodden.
This injustice can only be equalized by handing over your hard-earned money to those who are entitle to it.
That’s one small step to utopia according to the gospel of progressiveness.
When I hear or read a “five” day forecast for weather my standard response is that forecasters are no bad at it that they can’t accurately predict yesterday’s weather.
Turns out I’m right!
Okanagan Valley receiving lotsa rain.
45mm (1.75ins) and counting in West Kelowna.
Look for a special;
Drum roll – Tonight, on the National, Mark kelly in Kelowna. So Mark what can you tell us about the dangerous, life threatening, end of the world situation there?
Well, Peter, (sob sob) there is only bad news (damn) I cannot fine any dust to throw during my torqued up clip.
I agree with the above comments that the “Oops, we lost all the original data” line is utter bullshit. Same conclusion for their refusal to release even the mythical “confidentiality agreements” they claim to have with various governments that they claim bar release of the data.
Same with their refusal to release the algorithm(s) used to “adjust” (i.e. change) temperature data that goes against GW into data supporting it.
So yes, this should be a day of victory for science over fraud. But you might not pop the corks just yet. Because the con-artists have simply layed a minefield for you: By coining the clever name “value-added data” for the data they will cheerfully admit they still have, they can continue to obfuscate ’til the Sun expires.
After all, they’ve spent God-knows-how-many-millions of pounds or dollars on incredibly complex, super-sophisticated *computer processing* of the original data, to discover and “adjust” all “outliers” and “spurious data.” And Lord knows we wouldn’t want to base the fate of the earth on *those*, right? So their “adjusted” data is even better than the original. And a rational person would want only the *best* data, right?
Second, the only penalty for a “scientist-like person” who deliberately commits scientific fraud is being disgraced and cast out of the community *by other scientists*. That’s a process that the pro-AGW crowd controls, through membership on the boards of the governing bodies. Further, none of the frauds wants to come clean, because they all realize that the only hope of maintaining their reputations lies in maintaining the stonewall: “We were right, we are right, we have always been right” is the only plausible recourse for them.
Third: For most issues, eventually the mainstream media notices and turns on the heat. But the MSM has been the flag carrier for AGW and hates debumkers, and they’re not about to expose their own gullibility. Result: 20 years from now, no one outside the field–and a few specialized bloggers–will remember who did what, who lied and scuttled and dodged and clouded the issue, and who was on the other side.
But still–a great day. Kudos to all.
holy jamoley.
p.s. this is not the ‘smoking gun’.
see, the gun never fired because THE POWDER GOT ALL WET FROM THAT RAIN WE’VE BEEN HAVING LATELY.
In 20 yrs from now, if the media has not changed their ways, the blogsphere will have taken over news reporting and the world will know all about this mother-of-all-frauds.
The truth always wins in the end.
Ah so, I guess the DEBATE is over now ?
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“Result: 20 years from now, no one outside the field–and a few specialized bloggers–will remember who did what, who lied and scuttled and dodged and clouded the issue, and who was on the other side.”
As much as we hope that sf is wrong on this statement, I fear that the Suzukis and Gores of this world will, after their mega-scam finally comes crashing down, slink away quietly … laughing all the way to the bank.
Politicians who were duped will look incredibly stupid. But … no problem. Voters have short memories and seem to cast their ballots based on current promises and nothing more.
Al Gore & the 12 Days of Global Warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPSUMBrJoI&feature=related
Forward the article to your MP
Posted by: Aaron at August 14, 2009 11:29 AM
Done.
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Posted by: Stephen J. @ 1:57 PM
A pithy, yet entirely accurate summary. Well said, sir.
“Activist/Scientist”? With an attitude like that, you can drop the “Scientist”…
“The CRU has refused to release the raw weather station data and its processing methods for inspection — except to hand-picked academics…”
Well then surely one or more of those hand-picked academics – in the interest of science will be more than happy to send a copy of that data back to the CRU and then make it public.
They lost the data?
More likely they never had any data to begin with!
What do you need data for when you have computer models?
You see the Church Lady was right. You can bet a person is a bandit when they won’t even allow you too see their work. Just another phoney scientist with an agenda.
JMO
Personally, I hope the US Marines extend their carbon footprint all over the enemy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6025460/US-Marine-Corps-goes-green-in-Afghanistan.html
Clown Party at August 14, 2009 10:12 AM
There is no reason to believe Harper will follow ObamaCarbon Crap & Tax. Note how he has artfully done zippo, nada, on this issue, which he knows is political BS.
And I don’t see the Libs or Dems (Dippers) running on a platform of increased taxes and energy prices at this time.
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There is no such thing as coincidence in global power politics. That is what climate change represents. It isn’t grubby hippies driving the climate and green agendas. The forces behind climate hysteria, and the recommended public pillage to ally it, are well heeled connected globalists.
Expect any criminal act from them to get their agendas implemented.