72 Replies to “Not Waiting For The Asteroid”

  1. “Just because YOU don’t see the value in invading Iraq, it doesn’t mean it isn’t there; Clinton, Pelose, Dodd and Biden thought it was the right war, so I really don’t see your point. If you’d prefer to say it was a war for oil; so be it. It’s accepted on the left and right that energy security is part of national security, so I win that argument also. Have you asked an Iraqi lately their thoughts? Probably not, liberal thinkers assume, they don’t concern themselves with results. Seriously, can you not see the benefit of establishing a strong democracy in the middle of the middle east? Can’t you see how success in Iraq would be a positive catalyst for the rest of the middle east and a positive for world security?
    Geead, but I hate knee-jerk reactions to questions that ignore the original comment.
    I did not say whether or not there was any value in invading Iraq. I did not say it was about oil. I specifically did not say it was not good for the Iraqi people or could be a positive catalyst. It was not even a comment opposing the Iraqi War, Mr. Blind-support.
    It was a very specific response to a specific and pretty outrageous comment that “Bush protected the American people”.
    I fully accept that there are lots of very valid and good reasons to knock of a murderous dictator like Hussein (or the far worse and more dangerous dictators Bush was afraid of in Iran, Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc.). But I do not accept that the Iraqi War protected the American people.
    In fact, I think the war made the world a more dangerous place for Americans and so, in addition to all of the reasons that going to war in Iraq was studip, it failed in its fundamental purpose and Bush failed in his primary obligation as President.

  2. “In fact, I think the war made the world a more dangerous place for Americans and so, in addition to all of the reasons that going to war in Iraq was studip, it failed in its fundamental purpose and Bush failed in his primary obligation as President.”
    Proof?
    You’ve got nothing. I was simply demonstrating that almost EVERYONE felt it was in the best interest of national security to invade Iraq. The fact that YOU don’t think it saved American lives is irrelevant. The fact that Democrats and their supporters would like to revise American history and forget they agreed with GWB is simply politics; your politics. Keep playing small ball and keep ignoring the bigger picture. Ignore the fact that a strong democracy with liberated people and a growing middle class helps protect America!

  4. What the US has is a constitutional lawyer that does not understand or respect the Constituion. Why are his educational records sealed? Is he listed as a foreign student? Was he marked as a an affirmative action student? A young Masters student I knew (competent by the way) said there is no way a female could fail her orals. I worked with affirmative action hires that couldn’t have passed old school science classes. It is known that black males have the easiest ride, easier than black females. I sat on a Board that a black male failed the knowledge section which is an automatic fail. He had a Chemistry degree. He had failed previous Boards and had claimed discrimination. We were not informed of this fact pre-interview so our rating was not clouded. We hired a young woman that had one science class and was trained as a Vet Assistant. She did however have a good mind and a lot of common sense.

  5. Heh, Circular concrete logic MSM style well displayed.
    The MEDIA and leftists made the world more dangerous for Americans. They shouted and cried “everyone HATES Americans” day in and day out for almost a decade now, and at ever opportunity and on every continent.
    They, the MEDIA/leftists, love to divided and that’s why they worship the big OWE, suites their simplistic mind set IMHO. Don’t have to think about it, just go with the flow eh?
    Stuck on Stupid indeed.
    Instead of delivering factual intelligent news, they follow the shallowness of algore, george soros and jon stewarts(all leftists/Media) that just make up $hit, while ignoring history and science to suite their lies and line their pockets as they know their adoring audience won’t fact check them.
    The leftists MSM, needs to die – faster.

  9. ” I was simply demonstrating that almost EVERYONE felt it was in the best interest of national security to invade Iraq.”
    I’m not denying lots of people felt it was the right thing to do. But who cares? You are caught up in history and conservative talking points and ignoring reality.
    The statement made up above was that Bush actually did protect American lives. Not that he felt it would.
    Back when we all thought or were led to believe that there were WMD – either from outright lies, incompetence or wishful thinking – there were grounds and knocking off Hussein would have conceivably protected American lives.
    But we all know better now.
    And so going to war in Iraq made the world more dangerous for Americans.
    – obviously, soldiers lives were at stake so it was certainly more dangerous for them.
    – CIA estimates showed a marked increase in Middle East sourced terrorist activity and bombings.
    – Afghanistan was not pursued as vigilantly and with the full attention and resources that were required, and was therefore a more dangerous place and, not only was an opportunity to kill or capture Bin Laden squandered, but the Taliban were allowed to settle into stronger positions. We are seeing the fruits of that now.
    – by pursuing an illegal war with no foundation and no imminent threat, and then screwing it up royally, worse dictators than Hussein’s have gotten much more beligerant: Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea as only the most obvious examples.
    – then there is the debt. History has shown that great powerful regimes have blown it when their military affairs exeeded their budgets and longterm revenues. From Rome to Louis XIV’s France, to the British Empire and now to the US. The amount of money spent on the Iraq War has had a direct negative impact on the ability of the US to defend itself and strengthen itself.
    So yeah, I do believe that there are a lot of good things about the Iraq War, including tossing Hussein, but no, I do not believe for a second that the Iraq War protected Americans. In fact, the evidence is the exact opposite.

  11. Okay Excuseme, you win./sarc
    I guess a page of unsubstantiated bloviating passes for proof in your world.
    You still haven’t said anything real. For example: “by pursuing an illegal war with no foundation and no imminent threat, and then screwing it up royally, worse dictators than Hussein’s have gotten much more belligerent: Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea as only the most obvious examples.”
    Please explain
    1)What law has been broken that you use the term “illegal war”?
    2) Explain how the Americans have “screwing it up royally”?
    3) Explain how invading Iraq is related to the increasing “belligerence” of “Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea”.
    As I said, you’re statements are nothing but bloviating. You draw connections between unrelated events to suit your argument and never offer anything concrete.

  12. White House *LOVES* MSNBC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJzKyWs7SjY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Flatimesblogs.latimes.com%2Fwashington%2F2009%2F05%2Fwhite-house-msnbc.html&feature=player_embedded
    [ At the 1:51 mark of this video, Dale candidly reveals the new administration’s reciprocal feelings. Hint: Apparently the new White House has a popular internal saying involving the words “love” and “MSNBC.”] LAT
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/05/white-house-msnbc.html

  14. a diffferent bob: ‘GWB did all the things he was supposed to do – like protect the American people’.
    Did he protect’em from the biggest mass murder ever to take place on the watch of any President in the history of the country? Nope.
    Amazing how you guys always *conveniently* gloss over that.

  15. bleet:
    If somebody kills you, we’ll makes sure to pardon them … since it’s obviously your fault.

  17. it will be interesting to see if the glow ever wears off, and they refrain from standing for even Obama.

  19. I wonder if there will be a Republic after four years of this rabid socialist?

  21. The majority of the MSM in the U.S. have betrayed the Founding Fathers, and the very Constitution which provides them with special protection and priveleges.
    They are not fulfilling their duty of providing arms-length, independent information about the government. In fact, they have become a de facto mouthpiece for one particular political party. It is a sad state of affairs — it’s pretty obvious Zero would never have been elected had the media reported on him impartially.
    There will be hell to pay, down the road, for this bastardization of the U.S. political system.

  22. The MSM isn’t biased.
    Imagine a person holding a ‘coming out’ party at their home to introduce a up and coming senatorial candidate.
    That senatorial candidate later rises to become a leadership candidate for the Presidency of the United States.
    The person responsible for the original introduction is then discovered to be a America hating unrepentent terrorist bomber and murderer.
    We all know that the fine journalistic standards of our media would demand a investigation into such a unbelievably important allegation.
    Right?

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