Evening Update – via a reliable source:
This story started with a Canadian Press story that obviously did not understand House of Commons procedure. The Ways and Means Motion being voted on Monday is for tax measures only. The elimination of political subsidies will be in the enabling legislation for the fiscal update as planned, it will be a confidence vote.
With the Liberals held hostage, Jack Layton has reportedly laid out his list of demands – including both the finance and environment portfolios.
I told you this’d be worth it!
Bourque seems to be on top of the other news headlines, so I’l redirect you there…
Original post continues below:
Opposition hold coalition talks, Grits may dump Dion
One option under consideration is to suspend plans for the May 2 leadership convention and just go straight to the cage match…. developing….
Updates:
A CBC poll goes horribly wrong.
Breaking – after calls to the Saskatchewan “a leadership convention date has yet to be decided” Liberals produced a “this number is no longer in service” message, opposition parties are reported to be seeking advice on coalition-forming from Jean “when I’m finished with Paul Martin he won’t get elected dog-catcher” Chretien.
ROTFLMAO Update… via John Gormley Live. … With the opposition parties on record vowing to take down the government over the “lack of a stimulus package” in the economic update … Harper The Merciful has announced he’ll remove the party funding portion and separate it from the confidence vote… developing…
To the Liberal/NDP supporters whining that the CPC is exploiting the opposition’s financial vulnerability to play “partisan games”, I offer this advice – get out your checkbooks and shut the hell up.
Is Canada a democracy?
Does Canada actually operate by a system that says that every time a financial bill comes up, it allows the Opposition Parties the opportunity to coalesce and topple the legitimately elected government – and they’ll do this not by analytic reasons against the Financial Bill but because it allows them the opening for one Agenda. Getting Power.
They’ll get power by promises of financial and power rewards (promises of cabinet positions, promises of pet bills passed, other perks)?
And they’ll do this with the aid of a rogue party, the Bloc, which has no interest in the well-being of Canadians, which rejects Canada and Canadians but lives off the Canadian tax dollar?
Is Canada a democracy?
If this so called coalition comes to fruition, and the sociallists from the Center of the Universe, along with the Quebeccers, over throw the duly elected CPC. Then i would first like to welcome Joe M to the west to participate in freeing the west from the lefty lunacy. Bring it on. Lets see how Quebec does with their social programs when the west is no longer paying the tab.
I read your comment Robert W on the CBC site and greatly appreciated it. I wish that I could express myself as eloquently.
(A fellow Lotuslander)
How about a list of opposition MPs who may be inclined to cross the isle ?
I suspect they are waiting for a little push.
“Here is hoping that responsible individuals take control of our government and protect our democracy against these dark economic times.”
Duh. Like who? Bankrupt Bob?
ET, you’re right. “Is Canada a democracy?”
This may very well end up being the unravelling of Canada.
How can these deranged imbeciles think that Canada, outside of Toronto, Ottawa and Quebec, will acquiesce to this?
Although, I’d wager the likely outcome will be the death blow to the Liberal party of Canada.
In the following election, how will they ever recover any federalist credibility after teaming up with the Treasonous Bastard Party of Canada?
How will they ever recover the political centre after teaming up with The Socialist Party of Canada?
They’re dead, dead, dead.
Which, according to Tom Flanagan, is the Conservative end game.
Fools played like a minaret.
Below is a copy of my email to the pm, Dion, Layton, Rae, Ignatieff and at least half of the MPs. I urge others to write also, and write to the Press. It’s an appalling blatant grab for power outside of the democratic process:
“I am appalled and disgusted at the Liberal-NDP blatant grab for power. How dare they so abuse our system and the electorate for their own agenda of Power.
Is Canada a democracy? How dare the Liberals and NDP attempt to gain power without an election.
The democratic process is that any change of government MUST be one that is the act of the electorate. Not an act of a few political parties coalescing on their own with the agenda only of grabbing power.
1) If a financial bill is rejected by our legislature, this rejection MUST BE BASED on constructive analysis and legitimate reasons. The Liberals-NDP haven’t provided this, for their superficial words of ‘no stimulus package’ are inadequate to the realities of the economic crisis, which requires – not flinging tax dollars at industries – but restructuring the actual industrial system.
The Liberals-NDP haven’t sat down with the government and worked on such a restructuring plan – one which can’t be developed in a week, but requires months and above all, it requires careful networking with the policies of the international world. The Liberals-NDP aren’t interested in such an approach; their only tactic is to ‘fling money’ to maintain the Old Economic Mode – a mode whose structure is outdated and crumbling.
2) The next step is an election. NOT an undemocratic grab for power by several opposition parties coalescing, rewarding such ‘collaboration’ with promises of benefits, cabinet positions and other promises. This is a disgrace.
AND – aligning themselves with a rogue party, the Bloc, a party that is utterly indifferent to Canada and Canadians and exists only to live off the Canadian taxpayer.
Again – this is a disgrace; it is an outright rejection of democracy. How dare you – Mr. Dion, Layton, Ignatieff, Rae, Duceppe – how dare you treat the parliament and the electorate with such contempt. How dare you so abuse our system to gain power.
Is Canada a democracy? Not to the Liberals, NDP and Bloc.
How dare you, Mr. Dion, Rae, Ignatieff, Layton – how dare you destroy Canada as a democracy. How dare you use a fiscal bill as a blatant grab for power. How dare you ignore the electorate.”
This is an Historic thread being played out here Kate. Hope it goes into your best list.
Here Here Et well said
I too have sent my disgust at this sham and if they do succeed they will be the ones responsible for the breakup of this country & should be held responsible for acts of treason to our constitution & queen.
Pigs at the Trough thats all these opposition leaders are. I pray there are some decent MP’s in the liberal party that are not willing to form an alliance with the Devil, that will act responsively and think of the people that elected them & they represent By Not making a decision based on Greed & Power & they decide to cross the floor to save this country.
A possible solution that I posted on a G&M thread [of course, this wouldn’t happen in a week, but still poses an interesting scenario]:
” If Sarah Palin was to bring Alaska into Canadian Confederation, that could give the Conservatives a majority, and perhaps we could enjoy her as Vice-Presdent, er: Vice Premier, or whatever. Think of the endless advantages. Wow! ”
Note: Sorry Kate, you were my first choice, but can you bring Alaska into Confederation?
but can you bring Alaska into Confederation?
If you can select a former CBC reporter to be head of the Canadian military then I would say you can bring 3 lunar craters into Confederation.
Anything goes in the Demented Dominion. Have oil, will travel.
The citizen subsidized CBC and the rest of the media are IGNORING the fact that the Dippers and Liberanos are willing to merge with 44 traitors! The media are traitors too. Starve them, harass them, heap your disgust on them, and NEVER, EVER trust them. A person can watch them (stalk them, they are traitors!) demand defunding, ruin them by constant criticism and no purchases of ads or newspapers but never, ever believe anything the press gang spew – it is treason by virtue of their ‘pals’.
I like your comment about the two sleazy old buzzards- Broadbent and Cretian – uuass. Those two creepy, craven vultures have stolen millions from the coffers of Canada to line their own pest holes. We should put them in jail as traitors and retroactivly recoup all money ever paid to them by the tax payers of Canada. It is payback time, this time. The opposition has opened a Pandora’s box – the demands for payback will not end when this day’s work is done; the taxpayers are on a roll and we have a Prime Minister to back us up – a Prime Minister on the same side as taxpayers!! Our outrage will not stop – the train has left the station.
Scott Brison is yapping on CTV right now, he certainly has a ‘thing’ for Obamma. Does Scotties ‘wife manikin’ know about this obsession? Is there more to this obsession than meets the eye? I’m thinking that the ‘hero worship’ for the American President – elect could be a dangerous and unhealthy thing in an elected politician from Canada. Who elected Scott Brison?
Thanks for sharing your letter to MP’s ET. I heard both Bob Rae and Libby Davies on the Roy Green show today and they both claimed that the letters of support they are getting run 9:1. I think they’re both lying through their teeth, but let’s all shift that ratio.
Here’s the letter I’ve sent to ALL Members of Parliament.
Dear Liberal, NDP and Bloc Members of Parliament;
Few issues have aroused as much anger amongst Canadians as the proposed ‘coalition’ of Liberaland NDP parties who are demanding to form a government along with avowed separatists, the Bloc Quebecois. We had an election just six weeks ago and the people made their decision. If as Liberal, NDP or Bloc member, you wish to dissolve Parliament, then I call on you to again take the issue before the electorate through another election – not weasel your way into power through a decision by the Governor General.
If, as Liberal, NDP or Bloc member, you wish us to believe that you are acting out of concern for Canadians and the current economic climate, then immediately show us your plans. Not in generalities, but as specifics. What taxes will you raise? What spending will you cut or increase? What programs will you initiate or trim? Who will receive subsidies and how much? How big a deficit are you prepared to incur?
You claim the government has no plan (the stated basis for which you intend to subvert the will of the people as expressed just six weeks ago) so in fairness, show us your own well thought out and agreed upon coalition plan. Liberals have no leader, so who will be the Prime Minister and on whose authority? And because neither the NDP nor the Liberals have sufficient numbers to form a coalition government, it is clear that Giles Duceppe and the Bloc will be the puppet masters within the coalition. Nothing can be done withour their express approval and the Bloc has no interest in the rest of the nation.
This is attempt to subvert the expressed will of voters is shameful and a travesty of democracy. It is a naked grab for power and at it’s heart, a desperate attempt to hold on to public funding. You are not entitled to your entitlements. If your platform is sound and your arguments reasoned, you should have no difficulty in attracting independent financial support from voters. If you cannot, you need to ask why your policies are not resonating and what modifications to your policies you need to make in order to convince them to do so.
The anger amongst we ‘ordinary people’ is incalcuable and you shall reap what you have sown. Be careful what you wish for
Damn, people, I’m on your side, but think.
The opposition MPs were elected democratically too, remember? In a “representative democracy” they have a role. If a majority of duly elected MPs lack confidence in the minority government, it can fall. And then we have… elections.
Christoph….It’s not an election that the coalition want,they would lose even more votes for having another election,they know this.This is why they plan on forming a coalition government through the GG,no election required.
Je propose comme nom de coalition:
“la carpe et le lapin”.
Je propose comme nom de coalition:
“la carpe et le lapin”.
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Chef-less pizza parliament
Chef-less pizza parliament