During the 10-minute video of his questioning in Guantanamo a year later, he can be seen crying, his face buried in his hands, and pulling at his hair. He can be heard repeatedly chanting: “Help me.”
At one point he lifts his orange shirt to show the foreign ministry official and agents from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) wounds on his back and stomach which he says he sustained in Afghanistan.
“I’m not a doctor, but I think you’re getting good medical care,” one of the officials responds.
Mr Khadr says: “No I’m not. You’re not here… I lost my eyes. I lost my feet. Everything!” in reference to how his vision and physical health were affected.
“No, you still have your eyes and your feet are still at the end of your legs, you know,” a man says.
Sobbing uncontrollably, Mr Khadr tells the officials several times: “You don’t care about me.”
Now, may we view any of the thousands of similar videos of vicious and manipulative murderers, rapists, and thugs sobbing their way through other police interrogations?
Spare me.
A typical comment on the CBC article. And we think the Khadr’s are the enemy?
“CSIS and Harper’s goon squad are probably behind most of the posts that choose to ignore the realities that relate to this case.”
Check. Tin foil hat is firmly placed on the head.
“The vast majority of people suggesting that Khadr be returned, including his lawyers, are not saying he should go free if returned. Rather, they expect that he be tried under legitimate terms, rather than the illegitimate process being adhered to by the Bush League.”
Check. The “vast majority” as usual is always on the leftard side. And they don’t need proof either.
What’s Harper going to do when Bush bites the dust in January, 2009 and we reach the end of an error (one of America’s all-time biggies)? We can only hope that Canadians will get the opportunity to make their outrage known before then and Harper, as former PM, can join Bush on the sidelines.
Check. The unproven “vast majority” otherwise known as all Canadians are going to get “the opportunity to make their outrage known…”
When can we have a civil war and settle all this?
Here’s a question for all you “concerned citizens” out there. We know Little Omar killed an American guy, right? Would you feel better about leaving his narrow little backside in a US jail if he’d killed the guy in Buffalo, instead of flying all the way to Assganistan?
What does that say about you?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2008/07/15/6162781-cp.html
What’s your opinion of the Omar Khadr interrogation video.
It’s disgusting how Canadians treated a vulnerable wounded child-soldier.
14%
I’m sympathetic but this is what happens in a post 9/11 world.
21%
Khadr deserves to stay in jail for the rest of his life.
66%
Total Votes for this Question: 822
OR: check out his family “photo album @ http://www.rawa.org
I don’t care to register to comment on the cbc forum, but I’ll say my piece here:
Mr. Khadr took up arms against the United States, and was captured after being wounded in combat with US forces. He is subject to the laws of the United States on these matters. There is no basis for the “return him to Canada because he is a Canadian citizen” sentiment in either international law or historical precedent. He should be thankful that he was captured by a country which upholds the principles of natural justice and law–he would be dead already otherwise. He should also be thankful that the leftists in the US have saved him from the death penalty.
Barjebus,
Your example of an FLQ kid addresses a crime committed in Canada, under our Charter, by Canadian citizens. The Kadr kid acted in another country, as an enemy of Canada in a global conflict and is being held by another state as a POW or enemy combatant, whatever you prefer. My assertion that our criminal justice model, developed for criminals in Canada still stands. When we try to extend our Charter beyond our country and beyond it’s criminal justice mandate, we run into problems with the mandate fitting the situation and offering an adequte response to the real situation.
With regard to “frothing at the mouth” – au contraire – in my reference to clear eyed thinking, I was advocating against frothing at the mouth………….by BOTh sides in this debate, if we can call it that.
barjebus says….
Either the U.S. amends it’s constitution, or makes new provisions for what it’s doing, or it treats them like POW’s and follows the international treaties it’s signed.
ah yeah sure, just like the taliban abide by international treaties. NOT. give yourself a shake.
All of Toronto will rise up in defence of Omar Khadr .. their citizen being held by the Amerikan devils.
But we all know that Toronto is NOT Canada..!!
after reading what the cbc has writen on this story is that the cbc has not learned that the majority of canadaians do not give a crap about this little terrorist. We careabout our soilders,the ones who fight for our freedom and what Canada should stand for,not some little creep who triedand succeeded in killing our soilders.The best thing for this little s–t is to rott in that jail till he dies and when he goes he can take the cbc and all thier coharts with him
set you free:
But I’m told by the Left and most of our media that he’s not a combatant and therefore not a POW! Precisely what do you think his status is?
Be careful with your reply: most of the credible answers you can give to this question lead to the conclusions that he either (a) stands trial in Canada under several different charges, or (b) stands trial in Afghanistan under several different charges.
I can pretty much guarantee that the outcome of sending him to Afghanistan will result in a firing squad. Kinda puts Gitmo in perspective.
And if he remains defined as an enemy combatant in your view, then the insurgency (we’re told) continues in Afghanistan, in which case it can be argued that the war is not over. Indeed, given his family’s allegiance to the concept of global jihad, the war is never over until every last infidel is either converted or dead. A definition of continuing combat never envisaged by the Geneva Conventions, to be sure, but hey, I’m nothing if not flexible.
The little horror doesn’t get to pick and choose only the best possible interpretations of his actions according to the whims of the moment — he should face up to the consequences of his actions. You show me (for example) credible evidence that he was brainwashed, and I might be willing to bend — but if he was brainwashed, then under no circumstances should he be returned to the very family that turned him into a jihadist/murderer in the first place.
Garth
Graham Richardson of CTV Newsnet is on and in high dudgeon. He “would argue that there is no place on earth like it”(Gitmo).
I’m surprised Newsnet can broadcast with the wind whistling so loudly between their broadcasters ears.
From the press conf.with lawyer Dennis Edney:
“Khadr’s rights trump National Security” WTF????
and this gem:”the BBC and Al Jazeera are sympathetic”…ya think???
Just noticed on the G&M website that the comments for this story were open for only 10 minutes. There must have been a shortage of touchy-feely boohoos submitted.
First: could someone tell me who is paying for the numerous Canadian lawyers behind Khadr?
Second: If Kuebler is a US miltary lawyer, under what authority is he prancing around Canada insulting his own government and Commander-in-Chief?
Third: Hasn’t anyone in the CBC/Star/Globe and Mail “Front for the Liberation of Canadians from Common Sense” read the Al Queda manual for prisoners—the one about claiming torture, bad food and no medical care, and peaceful intentions and ignorance?
Garth:
There’s a reason I asked you to name me one terrorist who’s now a talk-show host.
To have rational debate, facts are important.
As a combatant, he is not accountable for his actions under any civil or criminal laws.
As I’ve pointed out before, my father was a POW in a German camp and was liberated at the end of WWII. Nobody ever charged him with criminal action for what he may or may not have done (he talked very little about it).
Given the record of jihadist thought, the war is never over, so he should be held prisoner forever and his treatment protected under the Geneva Convention.
It’s so much easier to deal with the facts instead of making wild and unprovable statements, such as terrorists becoming talk show hosts. Those types of statements just damage your credibiilty.
set you free, you wrote:
“It’s so much easier to deal with the facts instead of making wild and unprovable statements, such as terrorists becoming talk show hosts. Those types of statements just damage your credibiilty.”
You’re absolutely correct. Like the fact that I never made such a statement. (Scroll up, grasshopper, scroll up; feel free to apologize when you realize you’ve screwed up and wasted your dudgeon on the wrong target. On second thought, forget it…)
Try to get your facts straight. Specially the ones immediately in front of your face, and therefore requiring almost no mental effort at all. That’d be nice.
Garth
Garth:
Sorry. That was kursk.
Cheers.
barjebus
Are you kidding?
Not only would I not have sympathy for an FLQ Traitor/Terrorist and would not give a rats ass if someone tortured him like an old-school conquestador, I’d add a whole lot more groups to the list of non-persons deserving of pain and suffering: Weather Underground, Black October, Bahder-Minhoff (sp?), etc.
A terrorist or traitor loses their rights and deserves to die badly. I don’t care what colour or religion they are.
I read somewhere he was thirteen years old when he left Canada to join an Afghanistan terrorist training camp.
shouldn’t he lose his citizen for that, wouldn’t that be considered an act of treason?
Is it just me or is our government just as bad as this “kid”?
There sitting on their hands instead of being proactive and doing something.
That’s make them responsible for the ‘bad Press’ as far as I’m concerned.
barjebus – get real, the US isn’t going to amend its constitution, how many wars have we had in our history, and, yes, we signed the Geneva Conventions, but, guess what, stateless un-uniformed terrorists don’t apply to it.
Oh, and, this kid’s lucky, it doesn’t violate military law to outright shoot him after he’s captured and identified by the military under the present circumstances.
If people really have the guts to win against the Islamist jihadis they better get used to the idea of defending ourselves against all of the 15 year old jihadis that are out there and that means shooting them if we must.
blanks:
Which government was in office when Khadr left for training camp?
set you free
Was your father in a uniform, fighting under an organized army following the rules of war as outlined in the GC’s?
If so (and it would astound me to hear otherwise,) your story is irrelevant.
Kadr violated the GC’s, was not in a uniform and killed after a fake surrender. All illegal.
He has no rights under international law. It would have been entirely legal under the GC’s to shoot him in the head right then and there. It would’ve saved us all a lot of grief.
The yanks aren’t allowed to torture him under a separate treaty (un convention against torture or some such,) but he has no other protection other than US law.
last week CanadaAM had a poll RE: his return
the poll was overwhelmingly “Keep Him”
and the comments of the poll were also reflective of the poll. These can still be read at canadaam unfortantly the final results have disappeared,
Imagine that.
We should have him and his traitor family shipped off to Afganistan.
Fox news reports that the wounds he claims are from the hand grenade he tossed killing the US soldier.
I feel bad for him — just like the kid who kills his mother and father and asks judge to have mercy on him because he is an orphan! Boho Boho…
I just knew we were going to get a endless parade of weeping criminals after Brenda Martin. My God! Cry me a river.
May this kid and all his relatives rot in hell. Surprise, surprise, the first rule in the playbook when a terrorist gets captured is to cry torture. We’ve heard it all before. Deport the entire klan back to where they came from and spare us all.
“You don’t care about me”.
I think he should tell that to his parents/family. They obviously didn’t care about him from the get-go.
I watched that video a second time.
I’ve seen worse at bedtime at my house when the kids don’t want to go to sleep.
Anyone want to see a video of my wife trying to get my 11 yr old to comb his hair or change out of a dirty shirt?
I’ll save my righteous indignation for those who say I should be upset at the video.
I blame the parents
I think if there was ever a family that should be deported it is the Kadrs’
Is there a threshold for loss of citizenship?
Bob Rae Ever so the social activest
Rae defends liberal inaction
“i think the question is what we do Now? and the answer is we bring him Home”
Boo Hoo Hoooo.
Wow that and a Canada Council grant can land you a permanent spot on CBC’s Little Mosque on The Prairie.
Maybe that’s why the CBC wants the little perforated crybaby back; or maybe they want to fill Avi Lewis’s vacant fur lined office with another dipshit anti American with a little street cred.
What most of the comments I’ve seen have overlooked in regards to bringing that little creep back to Canada. Here, he would be treated as a juvenile offender – his name would not be allowed in the media, his crime expunged from records after he served his 2 weeks for the crime (less time served)
Daddy Khadr lied about his background when he applied to Hotel CAnada – therefore his whole family is here on a falsehood. Ship them back – all of them.
Rae: “The question isn’t why we did bugger all for all those years, the question is why haven’t the conservatives been blamed for it enough!”
I’d say send Khadr (and Rae) to Afghanastan to face the victims of the people the terrorists have murdered. Maybe they can find the family of the guy whose hands Khadr was photographed smiling with (as in severed hands on a rope he was holding.)
Irish
You can only be stripped of you citizenship for that sort of think if you’re a white nazi. Muslim terrorists are exempt from stuff like that. As are criminals. In fact, anyone not white, male and christian need not fear any such thing for any reason.
I heard Boob Rae on CBC today blathering on about due process for Khadr.
I wonder what his thoughts are on our HRCs, where LAW-ABIDING Candians are persecuted, within our own country, without due process.
I’m thoroughly sick of these hypocritical dolts. But Canadians keep voting them in.
There’s a very strange idea out there in liberal-land that young people can’t really be all that bad. The idiots who think this, especially our media gurus, judges, and politicians, should be placed in charge of the zoo that too many classrooms are today and have the responsibility to get the barbarians under control and teach them, minus, of course, the support of their parents or administration. Our overlords would soon find out that some of these kids (some eight or younger) are very bad apples, indeed, with no social conscience or any idea of obligations to others: many are angry, violent, dangerous, nasty operatives who have the system well figured out. Guess who loses?
Yes, let’s place some of these “little darlings” in the Annex, Rosdeale, and Rockcliffe and see how the ruling class feels about them then.
What do you say, Mr. Rae?
Will Kadhr be receiving an Order of Canada?
A couple of observations; Sleep interruption happens all the time in jails IN CANADA,trust me on this one. It is not torture. It is uncomfortable,as any new parent can tell you and does make you cranky,even weepy,and pliable. Get over it. 2; this video that has been released by HIS lawyers is most likely the worst that they can come up with out of 7 hours of tape. The worst. I have been through worse a few times at the hands of the police IN CANADA…. My sympathy lies with the family of the medic that has lost a good man,not this treasonous POS or his treasonous POS family.3;cbc newsworld will be covering this story all day from their perspective. As someone on this blog has written a few times (cal2?),cbc,all khadr,all the time.
You have to admit that with its sandy beaches, fine weather, and three squares a day Guantanamo is too good for the little terrorist. Perhaps bringing him to Canada is the right thing to do, with a transfer to Hans Island or some such ungodly place being in order for the little twerp (not Bob Rae, although he’s a twerp too. Aw what the heck, send Rae along with him).
Warwick:
To answer your earlier question, my father was in uniform, fighting for a country.
Therefore, he was covered under the GC and considered a ‘lawful combatant.’
Jihadists do not fight for any country or nation, as we understand it.
Khadr was not fighting for a country per se, perhaps a tribe or a philosophy, but definitely not a country as per the GC.
Since tribes and philosophies are not signatories to the GC, by rights they’d have no protection as POWs, yet are accorded its courtesies.
Since the alleged action took place in a different country, it seems the ‘when in Rome’ concept should apply.
Afghanistan continues to be a UN-sanctioned action in a country where Canadian laws do not apply.
We should be asking how much of a donation Rae will be getting if the Kid makes it back onto Canadian soil.
I bet the donor would be of the Jihad type. Some organization has put him up to this.
There is an obvious solution.
/sarc on
Give Khadr two quarters, tell him to phone his Mum to get uncle Jean Chretien’s phone number, then phone uncle Jean and ask him to intervene with George Bush for his release. It worked in Pakistan for this father, don’t see why it should not work again, after all Uncle Jean is a well respected ex-PM with superior negotiating skills for terrorists.
When he is released perhaps uncle Jean might adopt him because we all know how well his adopted children turn out.
/sarc off
let me very clear young feller…..I feel very very very deeply about you…..and feel the same strong emotion regarding your fambly….ditto the people who formed your little mind….and the people who eased your ‘type’s’ way into my country….and are continuing to do so.
the emotions you engender in my breast are powerful indeed little feller.
Where are Mo Elmasry and his band of Socks on this one? C’mon kids, lets talk about the whackadackaphobia. I’d love to hear what Awan or the jihad chicks have to say.
set you free
“…by rights they’d have no protection as POWs, yet are accorded its courtesies.”
Therein lies the problem. Those who violate the standards of the GC’s (like pretending to surrender to let soldiers get closer before you kill them) are not supposed to be accorded its courtesies.
The GC’s are there to protect the innocent, not the guilty. In other words, their protections are a REWARD for acting honourably.
In the case above, people who pretend to surrender and then kill put at risk all others who are surrendering as you will not stop shooting at the enemy when they attempt to surrender if you don’t believe their surrender is genuine. The actions of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the terrorists in Iraq are war crimes.
You don’t kill civilians because you will not be protected by the GC’s. That is to protect civilians.
You wear a uniform so that civilians are not targeted. You don’t hide behind civilians or try to blend in or you lose your GC protection as your actions put the innocent in danger.
That is why your father was treated according to the GC’s and Khadr deserves violence and death (well, that and in the case of your father, he was lucky that our side won.)
The penalty for violatiing the legal combat rules of the GC’s is summary execution. Any combatant caught acting out of uniform is subject to being shot as a spy. As in a bullet and a blindfold. If not worse. That is justice as well as law. The two rarely go together any more.
You forgot to mention that CTV carried that story too.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080714/khadr_dvds_080715/20080715?hub=TopStories
I seem to remember one of the F.L.Q. terrorists having a job with one of Quebec t.v. stations and also having his own publishing house.
Didn’t the Kadhr family also benefit from our medical services?
Final point – isn’t this international embarrassment a result of our wonderful Supreme Court? Merci, Madame.
I believe it was one of the FLQ members who fled to Cuba that returned who has made a foray into radio..i can check..
Paul Rose is a regular commentator on RDC as well as other mediums that allow his opinions on Quebec political matters..
Jacques Lanctoc owns a publishing house that supplies (amongst others..) social study books to the Quebec govt, that have as content a unique version of Quebec history indeed..
Richard Therrien became a judge in Quebec..
I could go on..what do these men have in common? All were FLQ or affiliates, and all served time for either extortion, kidnapping, aiding and abetting, and murder
These are but a few of the terrorists from the FLQ who now hold positions of authority not to mention those in the film and television industry, as well as those in positions to administer public money..
At the same time they should be showing again the video of the little terrorist Kahdr building a bomb…(i am sure Bob Rae would say…kids will be kids!)
When the US Govt released this video Kahdr’s lawyers went ballistic….not fair they said!
When the US Govt is finished with him the whole Kahdr family leaches should be sent back to Afganistan where their buddy Osama can look after them.
“you don’t care about me”
this little jihadist punk murdered a US medic with a grenade
Khadr should remain confined for the rest of his natural life
Spelling?? Kahdr/Kadhr…oh well same sh*t….