In the meantime Ezra caught Ahmed Assal asshat suing himself and neighbors so he could observe the takeover of Christian country’s live on Al jasneera TV. Tee Hee Eh!
Linky, http://ezralevant.com/
Hmm, “page not found”.
Premiere Brad Wall displays the fine art of “How to Win Friends and Influence People.”
Wall demands the resignation of Ahenakew, meanwhile he believes that an apology will absolve him of his hatefilled comments towards ethnic minorities and women.
Is Wall fit to govern this province if he holds such views. I’m sure many of you are willing to forgive him. Just like FSIN Chief Joseph has forgiven Ahenakew.
Yes, the comments were innapropriate and should not have been made. Why release the tape now? What have the NDP got to gain by this? Are they that desperate or just totally stupid!
I think Brad Wall better clean house now….in more ways than one!
Premiere Brad Wall displays the fine art of “How to Win Friends and Influence People.”
Wall demands the resignation of Ahenakew, meanwhile he believes that an apology will absolve him of his hatefilled comments towards ethnic minorities and women.
Is Wall fit to govern this province if he holds such views. I’m sure many of you are willing to forgive him. Just like FSIN Chief Joseph has forgiven Ahenakew.
I am getting increasingly tired of the politically correct age. Eventually there has to be a swing back to some form of normalacy. We cannot make comments about drug dealers, first nations people, gays, or fat people. This week has been unreal. I would hate to be a politician these days because they can’t even say anything in the coffee shop or to a friend that might be on tape – how can we freely discuss ideas if we are so afraid of not being politcally correct? I am sick of politicians saying nothing – but how can you blame them with the media how they are? Secondly – the NDP have lots of crazy ideas in their caucus – take their bid to ban private ownership of houses at their convention. It seems no matter what crazy stuff the left comes out with it gets no press…
Let this be a lesson to us all: Don’t get drunk in the privacy of friends with video cameras and don’t use over the top satire trying to be funny for the camera.
And then don’t leave behind said video in an opposition party office.
In other words – don’t do or say anything in private that you would not do or say in public to the media for all to see.
Is anybody here innocent?
The link names keep changing, so I’ve directed it to the main page.
Lucky for MP Murphy from PEI that the media didn’t parade his unfortunate comments as breaking news when he heckled “Hang Mulroney high” in the house of commons. Mr. Murphy apologised and now Mr. Lukewski has apologised.
They both made unfortunate comments but were treated very differently by the MSM.
tenebris – for someone to label someone’s speech as ‘racist’ or ‘homophobic’ doesn’t mean that this is a valid evaluation!
And, so what? I’m getting fed up with politically correct speech. The FACT that someone may ‘think’ whatever they think, but are deemed ‘sinful’ if they both think and express these thoughts is getting ridiculous.
Our thoughts are our own. Our speech is our own. I think we have a right to them; we may indeed be prejudiced and biased and dislike other individuals, other ethnicities, other religions. So? Our thoughts are our own. Why on earth must we like everyone? Why must we accept everyone?
Out thoughts are our own. Acting on them is a different matter and it is only then that the state has any business getting involved. Otherwise, – stay out of my thoughts and my speech.
Look who are now the apologists for there political masters. It makes me all laugh.
Kate extols her virtue that she speaks for herself and doesn’t let the media spin color her opinions.
I can’t wait to see how she “spins” this one.
Who amongst us has not,when young,made comments that nowadays we would think twice about saying?Give me a friggin break…and Suhanna M. on cbc has been all over this like sh*t on a quilt!She has this major,painful constipated look,and keeps yapping about it.Where was the media saturation over all the Lib.stupidity?cbc shows the clip,then gets Sask.cbc reporter,to read transcript.
I think Tom dealt with this,upfront,and openly.I think he honestly regrets something he said..over beers…MANY yrs ago.
Cue up the Tommy Douglas speeches on homosexuality.
Oh boy….racist, sexist and homophobic all wrapped into one. Sounds like an NDP chant….”racist, sexist, anti-gay”…..
I agree with Lindy. This isn’t worth the time of day. The people most offended by this crap are the ones making sure it gets top billing in the media. I don’t like gays either and some pc ass hat or HRC tribunal isn’t going to make me with threats or punitive action. In fact, depending on how stupid they are, they will only entrench the hard feelings.
Just my two cents Kate, but maybe you shouldn’t comment on this unless you have some other reason for doing so.
beardyscree asks “Is Wall fit to govern this province if he holds such views”. That’s not up to you or anybody else but the electorate. No doubt you believe that some goose-stepping fascist from some Human “Rights” Commission should make that determination?
@ beardyscree,
I don’t know exactly what was on the tape so we’ll see but if it is like a Saturday Night Live wanna be episode then I probably will not pay it any mind.
The difference is that Ahenakew actually believes what he said and was serious.
Where oh where is the tape of the Liberal MP who screamed at his election victory party ” This is a victory for Allah!”
How about a tape of the same Liberal MP’s henchmen (Gerard Kennedy supporters) who were arm twisting delegates at the leadership convention not to vote for Bob Rae because his wife was a dirty filthy Jew.
Lots of things are NOT caught on tape. Nobody is innocent of bad taste, bad faith or just being bad.
What the hell, eighteen years ago i was fairly left/liberal and said all manner of silly things. I grew out of that.
@ Langman
Focus on the similarities instead. They are both hatefilled. Don’t try and “smoke and mirror” me.
Further- is it ever terrible to be a straight white male these days (I am a woman by the way)…I hate all these quotas for hiring on race, sex, etc. As a woman, I want to get a job because I deserve the job/ I am the best candidate not because i was compared to any lesser number of candidates due to my sex or race. I don’t care what people do in their personal lives in terms of their sexuality and I certainly wouldn’t judge someone for their choice – It is none of my business…but why is it that it is okay to be gay but not okay to be anti-gay. Why are we not allowed to judge criminals or drug dealers harshly – everybody makes choices – live with them. Media – please allow ALL points of view – and stop protecting aboriginals from due scrutiny just because of their race. This Ahenakew thing – he has been on the payroll while he was suspended – is this any surprise to anyone that first nations have high corruption levels? But we can’t look into this because they are aboriginal – they can’t be held accountable? Oh I could go on – I am so enraged about all this crap!
Inappropriate comments were made and an apology has been offered. If he were an NDP-er or Liberal, the apology would be accepted…since he is Conservative, it will not be.
The “Progressives” are allowed to make mistakes and move on…Conservatives are not. That’s just the way it is in “non-Liberal-biased-MSM” Canada.
I haven’t the time or the resources to search out all of the damning quotes by Liberals and NDP-ers, but I’m sure that we’d find more than enough examples of similar things. Hypocrisy.
What’s next?
Burning Nestor Pistor’s records?
What’s the old saying, Kate? Revenge is sweet? Or best served cold? Or best served with white wine? You’ll be filling your boots soon, no doubt.
I blame the CWB.
We couldn’t sell our own grain, so we had to sit around telling ethnic jokes.
Seems the Saskatchewan Party website is definitely deserving of the SDA endorsement. Or is it the other way around?
It’s just like the NDP to bring up a videotape of something someone said 17 years ago at a party. An apology is in order, and it’s been put forward.
This is so petty. To compare it with what Ahenakew said is ridiculous.
Let there be a lesson learned here – never, ever let your guard down around the NDP. They NDP are out to get you, and will stop at nothing. Watch what you say, and what you do at all times, because the NDP are certainly watching, and waiting for the right moment to pounce, and they have spies everywhere. You must behave, and appear to behave, at all times! No slip ups! You are not allowed to make a mistake, even in your youth, because there is no time limit on political correctness.
And never bring an NDP sympathiser to a party.
To his credit, Bill Siksay, on MDL, has said he accepts Tom’s appology as sincere and, unlike Scott Brison & the Liberals, doesn’t think that Tom should be kicked out of the Conservative caucus.
Just another feeding frenzy at the old coral of Liberal/Left hypocrisy. The MSM will be salivating. There will be no apology accepted from a Conservative Member, forget it, he will have to be hung, the Party will be drawn and quartered as well. The rant will be “they’re all the same”. Front page news in all the daily rags.
How much time are these Opposition operatives spending dredging up old tapes, playing the gotcha games at our expense?
Time for the liberals to break out the mock outrage again. Just wondering how this compares to a 20 year old reform party policy statement, or the liberals bringing up the cancellation of the Avro Arrow in question period today. Now they want to dig up Diefenbaker and hang him too. Ohh the outrage….
So the dippers stole a 17 yo tape?
And why did they release it if it was offensive?
Politics 101:
The slightest speck of dirt tends to stand out on an otherwise clean shirt. However, if you swim in filth, no one bats an eye at a bit of extra crud.
Hey, to the twiddle-fingered, neck-craning “Johnnies” above:
Do you know what’s on the tape?
Fill us in, won’t you?
“What have the NDP got to gain by this?”
• displacing the PM’s good results in Bucharest from the headlines?
• paying back for displacing the NDP from their Saskatchewan throne?
• reigniting “the Conservatives are anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-visible minorities” meme?
So what else is new?
But what is it with Conservatives and their not clearing out their offices?
And other parties sticking their noses in another party’s belongings?
Aren’t they all supposed to value the “privacy” of individuals? Huh?
EBD: click on the link. Read the story. Then let it seep into the grey matter in your head. Shouldn’t take long.
Johnny Ringo, I did click on the links. I’m asking you what the comments in question were. What specifically did Wall and Likiwski say?
Cross posted at Reader Tips:
I can’t BELIEVE this: a video made IN 1991, that the NDP just happened “to stumble across,” making disparaging comments about homosexuals, is now being used to try and discredit Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s CPC caucus.
This is absolutely LUDICROUS.
Did the NDP actually “find” this video in the offices vacated by the Conservatives a year ago or did someone unearth it and decide to embarrass the CPC government EIGHTEEN YEARS LATER?
This kind of political grandstanding is so transparent as to be pathetic. I’m not defending MP Tom Lukowski’s words that night 18 years ago, when he made these comments with a beer bottle in hand (‘wonder how many he’d had by then?), but these remarks should not be grounds for demanding his resignation from the CPC caucus. He has made a sincere and public apology, but the Liberals (via their spokesman Scott Brison, who is such a wuss) seem to want a pound of flesh. (I’d just like the over $40-million they’ve stolen from Canadian taxpayers. Why can’t we talk about that?)
I don’t hear the NDP or the Liberals (excepting Keith Martin) speaking up for nasty things said about Christians or punitive measures taken against them by our bogus Canadian Human Rights (sic) Commissions.
This is total nonsense.
The only good thing about it, is that it seems to indicate that the Opposition Parties and the MSM must be pretty darned desperate to be trying to tar and feather the CPC by spending so much time on an unfortunate remark made by a CPC MP EIGHTEEN YEARS AFTER THE REMARK WAS MADE.
Pathetic Canada.
Posted by: batb at April 3, 2008 5:21 PM
OF COURSE: The Lukowski Scandal is meant to deflect attention from Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s sterling performance at the NATO Summit in Bucharest, Romania this week.
Now, it’s all making sense: The Liberal Lapdogs have dutifully fallen in line, tongues drooling. Bow wow.
Posted by: batb at April 3, 2008 5:31 PM
SYF
Also Tommy’s eugenics theses. The NDP better worry about their own garbage.
Wall better be a quick learner. He hasn’t been stellar this week.
Sit back, watch this Russel Peters video and lighten up a little.
3w.youtube.com/watch?v=VELXE7xvVHo
The CBC’s Royal Canadian Air Farce uses accents to make fun of people, sometimes Ukrainian accents, are the NDP going after them next?
There is something wrong in this world when naked gay men can strut their privates (complete with bondage accessories) on the streets of Toronto in front of children, prosecution-free… and guys goofing off while having a beer causes this much outrage.
There is no doubt whose side I’m on!!!
The Globe’s got the Ron Burgundy inspired video here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403&ids=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403,RTGAM.20080403.wvtape0403
Here’s the story:
Tory MP apologizes for taped homophobic remarks
BRODIE FENLON AND JENNIFER MACMILLAN
Globe and Mail Update and Canadian Press
April 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM EDT
Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski apologized Thursday after the Saskatchewan NDP released a 16-year-old videotape featuring him and Premier Brad Wall that contains sexist, racist and homophobic comments.
In particular, the NDP said Mr. Lukiwski made “hateful” remarks on the 1991 tape shot at Conservative Party headquarters following a leader’s debate, while Mr. Wall reportedly made inappropriate ethnic comments.
Those comments include a homophobic diatribe by Mr. Lukiwski, said NDP MP Bill Siksay, who repeated them Thursday during Question Period.
Mr. Siksay told the House of Commons that Mr. Lukiwski “allegedly states on the tape, ‘Let me put it to you this way. There’s A’s and B’s. The A’s are guys like me. The B’s are homosexual faggots with dirt in their fingernails that transmit diseases.’ ”
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Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski speaks to media in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday April 3, 2008. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)
Videos
1991 videotape showing Lukiwski (warning: graphic language)
WARNING: Graphic language, viewer discretion is strongly advised. 1991 videotape showing Tom Lukiwski.
Tom Lukiwski apologizes for remarks
onservative MP Tom Lukiwski speaks to media in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa
Mr. Lukiwski, 57, quickly apologized for the remarks, which he said don’t represent his true views.
“I am truly, truly sorry. I’m ashamed [of] the comments. If I could take those comments back, I would. I would give anything in the world to take those comments back,” he said.
“I have no prejudice against gay people whatsoever. Those comments do not reflect the type of person I am.”
Mr. Lukiwski did not address questions about his future and whether he will step down over the matter.
“Why would you videotape this, why would you keep it and why would you leave it behind?” Saskatchewan NDP deputy leader Pat Atkinson said at a press conference.
“We decided that given Mr. Lukiwski’s comments – he’s a member of Parliament representing the people of our province in Ottawa – that the comments were so troubling and so disturbing that people needed to know what he had said,” she said.
Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall also apologized for his comments that appear to make fun of the Ukrainian heritage of former Saskatchewan premier Roy Romanow, who defeated the provincial Tories in the November, 1991, election.
“It just never was then, and neither would it ever be, in any way an attempt to slight any group,” Mr. Wall said.
Mr. Romanow was flying to Ottawa on Thursday and was not immediately available for comment.
The New Democrats said they found the tape in a camera case when they moved into Opposition offices after Mr. Wall’s Saskatchewan Party won last fall’s provincial election.
Mr. Lukiwski was a Tory organizer at the time the tape was made and Mr. Wall was a ministerial aide.
Ms. Atkinson said the pair is heard on tape ridiculing Roy Romanow, who defeated the provincial Tories in the 1991 election. “They’re done in the context of Mr. Romanow and his descent, his ethnic background,” Ms. Atkinson said.
“I would say that he [Mr. Wall] is using an immigrant accent of some kind and he is referring in the end to Mr. Romanow … There are those of us who grew up at a time when, in the province of Saskatchewan, negative things were said about people of Eastern European background and they were hurtful things,” she added.
Ms. Atkinson also said there were inappropriate remarks about the gender of the provincial Liberal leader at the time, Lynda Haverstock.
Government House Leader Peter Van Loan said he was unfamiliar with the videotape but would take the matter seriously.
“The comments do sound distressing and inappropriate and they will have due attention,” Mr. Van Loan said.
Mr. Lukiwski was a long-time insider in the provincial Conservative Party and the Saskatchewan Party before his election in 2004 in the riding of Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre. He won the seat by 122 votes and was re-elected in 2006 with 42 per cent of the vote.
The incumbent, Larry Spencer, was a member of the Canadian Alliance caucus but was dropped by the party after he told a reporter in 2003 that homosexuality should be outlawed and that a conspiracy is responsible for the successes of the gay rights movement.
When the new Conservative party was formed by the merger of the Progressive Conservative and Canadian Alliance parties, Mr. Spencer was banned from running for the Tories. The party justified its decision by saying people across the country don’t accept intolerance.
Mr. Spencer ran as an Independent and garnered less than five per cent of the vote.
Mr. Lukiwski was a small-business owner who served as executive director of the Saskatchewan PC Party from 1995 to 1997. He went on to become the general manager of the Saskatchewan Party, founded in 1997 by former Saskatchewan Liberals and Progressive Conservative party members.
Mr. Lukiwski is married and has two children.
Mr. Wall, 42, was elected premier of Saskatchewan last fall but has been involved in politics for more than two decades. He first served as a ministerial assistant in the final years of Grant Devine’s Progressive Conservative government in Saskatchewan.
In 1991, Mr. Wall ran for the Conservative nomination in his hometown of Swift Current and was defeated. He later worked as Swift Current’s director of business development before successfully running for the Saskatchewan Party in 1999. He became leader of the party in 2004.
I just love the gloating by the usual inarticulate, semi-literate cretins from the left of the spectrum. Boys, you aren’t making yourselves look any smarter. The partisanship in politics in this country is juvenile and asinine, especially on the left – where intellect and ideas are in short supply, hence the need to unearth a 17 year old tape that just conveniently happened to surface now. Line that up with every other attempt by “progressives” to smear the hated “cons”, including the idiotic motion to half-mast the flag on the Peace Tower for every military death – something opposed by 100% of the soldiers, sailors and airmen of the Canadian Forces (incl. myself).
Stupid crap was said, apologies were made. I have still to hear the corrupt thieves from the Liberal Party of Canada apologize for stealing uncounted millions from the taxpayer – something waaay worse than some idiotic words spoken two decades ago. Johnny Ringo and the rest of the children, grow up and remove the sty from your blinkered eyes.
Won’t open — says “the protocol isn’t associated with any program.” Rats.
So, what’s on it? What are some of the worst things that were said on the tape? Can you let us know?
Right on, Gypsy: ‘talk about double standards.
Stan: “The CBC’s Royal Canadian Air Farce uses accents to make fun of people, sometimes Ukrainian accents, are the NDP going after them next?”
Maybe they already have. Apparently, the Royal Canadian Air Farce is going off the air.
(I never liked them–‘always found their 8-year-old humour unfunny…’sorry for the Ukrainians they insulted…)
EBD ~ you probably accidentally included the “video:” prefix before the “http://”. If so, remove it. I can’t view it either for other reasons, but that’s probably what the word “protocol” means, it’s the part of the URL before the first colon.
EBD: Just watch CTV or CBC news. They’re running the tape every few minutes, it seems.
‘Best timing is at the top of the hour, so you’re a little late now, but anytime tongight, at 7:00, 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 o’clock will probably do it. The Liberal MSM Lapdogs can’t seem to get enough of it.
Shouldn’t there be a statute of limitations on 17-year-old “news”?
GIVE ME A BREAK.
16 year old tape? Gimme a break…
In the meantime Ezra caught Ahmed Assal asshat suing himself and neighbors so he could observe the takeover of Christian country’s live on Al jasneera TV. Tee Hee Eh!
Linky, http://ezralevant.com/
Hmm, “page not found”.
Premiere Brad Wall displays the fine art of “How to Win Friends and Influence People.”
Wall demands the resignation of Ahenakew, meanwhile he believes that an apology will absolve him of his hatefilled comments towards ethnic minorities and women.
Is Wall fit to govern this province if he holds such views. I’m sure many of you are willing to forgive him. Just like FSIN Chief Joseph has forgiven Ahenakew.
Yes, the comments were innapropriate and should not have been made. Why release the tape now? What have the NDP got to gain by this? Are they that desperate or just totally stupid!
I think Brad Wall better clean house now….in more ways than one!
Premiere Brad Wall displays the fine art of “How to Win Friends and Influence People.”
Wall demands the resignation of Ahenakew, meanwhile he believes that an apology will absolve him of his hatefilled comments towards ethnic minorities and women.
Is Wall fit to govern this province if he holds such views. I’m sure many of you are willing to forgive him. Just like FSIN Chief Joseph has forgiven Ahenakew.
Kate – The updated link is
http://www.newstalk650.com/incoming/20080403/ndp-releases-potentially-damaging-tape
damning = potentially damaging?
Someone spoke to their lawyers!
I am getting increasingly tired of the politically correct age. Eventually there has to be a swing back to some form of normalacy. We cannot make comments about drug dealers, first nations people, gays, or fat people. This week has been unreal. I would hate to be a politician these days because they can’t even say anything in the coffee shop or to a friend that might be on tape – how can we freely discuss ideas if we are so afraid of not being politcally correct? I am sick of politicians saying nothing – but how can you blame them with the media how they are? Secondly – the NDP have lots of crazy ideas in their caucus – take their bid to ban private ownership of houses at their convention. It seems no matter what crazy stuff the left comes out with it gets no press…
Let this be a lesson to us all: Don’t get drunk in the privacy of friends with video cameras and don’t use over the top satire trying to be funny for the camera.
And then don’t leave behind said video in an opposition party office.
In other words – don’t do or say anything in private that you would not do or say in public to the media for all to see.
Is anybody here innocent?
The link names keep changing, so I’ve directed it to the main page.
Lucky for MP Murphy from PEI that the media didn’t parade his unfortunate comments as breaking news when he heckled “Hang Mulroney high” in the house of commons. Mr. Murphy apologised and now Mr. Lukewski has apologised.
They both made unfortunate comments but were treated very differently by the MSM.
tenebris – for someone to label someone’s speech as ‘racist’ or ‘homophobic’ doesn’t mean that this is a valid evaluation!
And, so what? I’m getting fed up with politically correct speech. The FACT that someone may ‘think’ whatever they think, but are deemed ‘sinful’ if they both think and express these thoughts is getting ridiculous.
Our thoughts are our own. Our speech is our own. I think we have a right to them; we may indeed be prejudiced and biased and dislike other individuals, other ethnicities, other religions. So? Our thoughts are our own. Why on earth must we like everyone? Why must we accept everyone?
Out thoughts are our own. Acting on them is a different matter and it is only then that the state has any business getting involved. Otherwise, – stay out of my thoughts and my speech.
Look who are now the apologists for there political masters. It makes me all laugh.
Kate extols her virtue that she speaks for herself and doesn’t let the media spin color her opinions.
I can’t wait to see how she “spins” this one.
Who amongst us has not,when young,made comments that nowadays we would think twice about saying?Give me a friggin break…and Suhanna M. on cbc has been all over this like sh*t on a quilt!She has this major,painful constipated look,and keeps yapping about it.Where was the media saturation over all the Lib.stupidity?cbc shows the clip,then gets Sask.cbc reporter,to read transcript.
I think Tom dealt with this,upfront,and openly.I think he honestly regrets something he said..over beers…MANY yrs ago.
Cue up the Tommy Douglas speeches on homosexuality.
Oh boy….racist, sexist and homophobic all wrapped into one. Sounds like an NDP chant….”racist, sexist, anti-gay”…..
I agree with Lindy. This isn’t worth the time of day. The people most offended by this crap are the ones making sure it gets top billing in the media. I don’t like gays either and some pc ass hat or HRC tribunal isn’t going to make me with threats or punitive action. In fact, depending on how stupid they are, they will only entrench the hard feelings.
Just my two cents Kate, but maybe you shouldn’t comment on this unless you have some other reason for doing so.
beardyscree asks “Is Wall fit to govern this province if he holds such views”. That’s not up to you or anybody else but the electorate. No doubt you believe that some goose-stepping fascist from some Human “Rights” Commission should make that determination?
@ beardyscree,
I don’t know exactly what was on the tape so we’ll see but if it is like a Saturday Night Live wanna be episode then I probably will not pay it any mind.
The difference is that Ahenakew actually believes what he said and was serious.
Where oh where is the tape of the Liberal MP who screamed at his election victory party ” This is a victory for Allah!”
How about a tape of the same Liberal MP’s henchmen (Gerard Kennedy supporters) who were arm twisting delegates at the leadership convention not to vote for Bob Rae because his wife was a dirty filthy Jew.
Lots of things are NOT caught on tape. Nobody is innocent of bad taste, bad faith or just being bad.
What the hell, eighteen years ago i was fairly left/liberal and said all manner of silly things. I grew out of that.
@ Langman
Focus on the similarities instead. They are both hatefilled. Don’t try and “smoke and mirror” me.
Further- is it ever terrible to be a straight white male these days (I am a woman by the way)…I hate all these quotas for hiring on race, sex, etc. As a woman, I want to get a job because I deserve the job/ I am the best candidate not because i was compared to any lesser number of candidates due to my sex or race. I don’t care what people do in their personal lives in terms of their sexuality and I certainly wouldn’t judge someone for their choice – It is none of my business…but why is it that it is okay to be gay but not okay to be anti-gay. Why are we not allowed to judge criminals or drug dealers harshly – everybody makes choices – live with them. Media – please allow ALL points of view – and stop protecting aboriginals from due scrutiny just because of their race. This Ahenakew thing – he has been on the payroll while he was suspended – is this any surprise to anyone that first nations have high corruption levels? But we can’t look into this because they are aboriginal – they can’t be held accountable? Oh I could go on – I am so enraged about all this crap!
Inappropriate comments were made and an apology has been offered. If he were an NDP-er or Liberal, the apology would be accepted…since he is Conservative, it will not be.
The “Progressives” are allowed to make mistakes and move on…Conservatives are not. That’s just the way it is in “non-Liberal-biased-MSM” Canada.
I haven’t the time or the resources to search out all of the damning quotes by Liberals and NDP-ers, but I’m sure that we’d find more than enough examples of similar things. Hypocrisy.
What’s next?
Burning Nestor Pistor’s records?
What’s the old saying, Kate? Revenge is sweet? Or best served cold? Or best served with white wine? You’ll be filling your boots soon, no doubt.
I blame the CWB.
We couldn’t sell our own grain, so we had to sit around telling ethnic jokes.
Seems the Saskatchewan Party website is definitely deserving of the SDA endorsement. Or is it the other way around?
It’s just like the NDP to bring up a videotape of something someone said 17 years ago at a party. An apology is in order, and it’s been put forward.
This is so petty. To compare it with what Ahenakew said is ridiculous.
Let there be a lesson learned here – never, ever let your guard down around the NDP. They NDP are out to get you, and will stop at nothing. Watch what you say, and what you do at all times, because the NDP are certainly watching, and waiting for the right moment to pounce, and they have spies everywhere. You must behave, and appear to behave, at all times! No slip ups! You are not allowed to make a mistake, even in your youth, because there is no time limit on political correctness.
And never bring an NDP sympathiser to a party.
To his credit, Bill Siksay, on MDL, has said he accepts Tom’s appology as sincere and, unlike Scott Brison & the Liberals, doesn’t think that Tom should be kicked out of the Conservative caucus.
Just another feeding frenzy at the old coral of Liberal/Left hypocrisy. The MSM will be salivating. There will be no apology accepted from a Conservative Member, forget it, he will have to be hung, the Party will be drawn and quartered as well. The rant will be “they’re all the same”. Front page news in all the daily rags.
How much time are these Opposition operatives spending dredging up old tapes, playing the gotcha games at our expense?
Time for the liberals to break out the mock outrage again. Just wondering how this compares to a 20 year old reform party policy statement, or the liberals bringing up the cancellation of the Avro Arrow in question period today. Now they want to dig up Diefenbaker and hang him too. Ohh the outrage….
So the dippers stole a 17 yo tape?
And why did they release it if it was offensive?
Politics 101:
The slightest speck of dirt tends to stand out on an otherwise clean shirt. However, if you swim in filth, no one bats an eye at a bit of extra crud.
Hey, to the twiddle-fingered, neck-craning “Johnnies” above:
Do you know what’s on the tape?
Fill us in, won’t you?
“What have the NDP got to gain by this?”
• displacing the PM’s good results in Bucharest from the headlines?
• paying back for displacing the NDP from their Saskatchewan throne?
• reigniting “the Conservatives are anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-visible minorities” meme?
So what else is new?
But what is it with Conservatives and their not clearing out their offices?
And other parties sticking their noses in another party’s belongings?
Aren’t they all supposed to value the “privacy” of individuals? Huh?
EBD: click on the link. Read the story. Then let it seep into the grey matter in your head. Shouldn’t take long.
Johnny Ringo, I did click on the links. I’m asking you what the comments in question were. What specifically did Wall and Likiwski say?
Cross posted at Reader Tips:
I can’t BELIEVE this: a video made IN 1991, that the NDP just happened “to stumble across,” making disparaging comments about homosexuals, is now being used to try and discredit Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s CPC caucus.
This is absolutely LUDICROUS.
Did the NDP actually “find” this video in the offices vacated by the Conservatives a year ago or did someone unearth it and decide to embarrass the CPC government EIGHTEEN YEARS LATER?
This kind of political grandstanding is so transparent as to be pathetic. I’m not defending MP Tom Lukowski’s words that night 18 years ago, when he made these comments with a beer bottle in hand (‘wonder how many he’d had by then?), but these remarks should not be grounds for demanding his resignation from the CPC caucus. He has made a sincere and public apology, but the Liberals (via their spokesman Scott Brison, who is such a wuss) seem to want a pound of flesh. (I’d just like the over $40-million they’ve stolen from Canadian taxpayers. Why can’t we talk about that?)
I don’t hear the NDP or the Liberals (excepting Keith Martin) speaking up for nasty things said about Christians or punitive measures taken against them by our bogus Canadian Human Rights (sic) Commissions.
This is total nonsense.
The only good thing about it, is that it seems to indicate that the Opposition Parties and the MSM must be pretty darned desperate to be trying to tar and feather the CPC by spending so much time on an unfortunate remark made by a CPC MP EIGHTEEN YEARS AFTER THE REMARK WAS MADE.
Pathetic Canada.
Posted by: batb at April 3, 2008 5:21 PM
OF COURSE: The Lukowski Scandal is meant to deflect attention from Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s sterling performance at the NATO Summit in Bucharest, Romania this week.
Now, it’s all making sense: The Liberal Lapdogs have dutifully fallen in line, tongues drooling. Bow wow.
Posted by: batb at April 3, 2008 5:31 PM
SYF
Also Tommy’s eugenics theses. The NDP better worry about their own garbage.
Wall better be a quick learner. He hasn’t been stellar this week.
Sit back, watch this Russel Peters video and lighten up a little.
3w.youtube.com/watch?v=VELXE7xvVHo
The CBC’s Royal Canadian Air Farce uses accents to make fun of people, sometimes Ukrainian accents, are the NDP going after them next?
There is something wrong in this world when naked gay men can strut their privates (complete with bondage accessories) on the streets of Toronto in front of children, prosecution-free… and guys goofing off while having a beer causes this much outrage.
There is no doubt whose side I’m on!!!
The Globe’s got the Ron Burgundy inspired video here:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403&ids=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403,RTGAM.20080403.wvtape0403
Here’s the story:
Tory MP apologizes for taped homophobic remarks
BRODIE FENLON AND JENNIFER MACMILLAN
Globe and Mail Update and Canadian Press
April 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM EDT
Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski apologized Thursday after the Saskatchewan NDP released a 16-year-old videotape featuring him and Premier Brad Wall that contains sexist, racist and homophobic comments.
In particular, the NDP said Mr. Lukiwski made “hateful” remarks on the 1991 tape shot at Conservative Party headquarters following a leader’s debate, while Mr. Wall reportedly made inappropriate ethnic comments.
Those comments include a homophobic diatribe by Mr. Lukiwski, said NDP MP Bill Siksay, who repeated them Thursday during Question Period.
Mr. Siksay told the House of Commons that Mr. Lukiwski “allegedly states on the tape, ‘Let me put it to you this way. There’s A’s and B’s. The A’s are guys like me. The B’s are homosexual faggots with dirt in their fingernails that transmit diseases.’ ”
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Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski speaks to media in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday April 3, 2008. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)
Videos
1991 videotape showing Lukiwski (warning: graphic language)
WARNING: Graphic language, viewer discretion is strongly advised. 1991 videotape showing Tom Lukiwski.
Tom Lukiwski apologizes for remarks
onservative MP Tom Lukiwski speaks to media in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa
Mr. Lukiwski, 57, quickly apologized for the remarks, which he said don’t represent his true views.
“I am truly, truly sorry. I’m ashamed [of] the comments. If I could take those comments back, I would. I would give anything in the world to take those comments back,” he said.
“I have no prejudice against gay people whatsoever. Those comments do not reflect the type of person I am.”
Mr. Lukiwski did not address questions about his future and whether he will step down over the matter.
“Why would you videotape this, why would you keep it and why would you leave it behind?” Saskatchewan NDP deputy leader Pat Atkinson said at a press conference.
“We decided that given Mr. Lukiwski’s comments – he’s a member of Parliament representing the people of our province in Ottawa – that the comments were so troubling and so disturbing that people needed to know what he had said,” she said.
Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall also apologized for his comments that appear to make fun of the Ukrainian heritage of former Saskatchewan premier Roy Romanow, who defeated the provincial Tories in the November, 1991, election.
“It just never was then, and neither would it ever be, in any way an attempt to slight any group,” Mr. Wall said.
Mr. Romanow was flying to Ottawa on Thursday and was not immediately available for comment.
The New Democrats said they found the tape in a camera case when they moved into Opposition offices after Mr. Wall’s Saskatchewan Party won last fall’s provincial election.
Mr. Lukiwski was a Tory organizer at the time the tape was made and Mr. Wall was a ministerial aide.
Ms. Atkinson said the pair is heard on tape ridiculing Roy Romanow, who defeated the provincial Tories in the 1991 election. “They’re done in the context of Mr. Romanow and his descent, his ethnic background,” Ms. Atkinson said.
“I would say that he [Mr. Wall] is using an immigrant accent of some kind and he is referring in the end to Mr. Romanow … There are those of us who grew up at a time when, in the province of Saskatchewan, negative things were said about people of Eastern European background and they were hurtful things,” she added.
Ms. Atkinson also said there were inappropriate remarks about the gender of the provincial Liberal leader at the time, Lynda Haverstock.
Government House Leader Peter Van Loan said he was unfamiliar with the videotape but would take the matter seriously.
“The comments do sound distressing and inappropriate and they will have due attention,” Mr. Van Loan said.
Mr. Lukiwski was a long-time insider in the provincial Conservative Party and the Saskatchewan Party before his election in 2004 in the riding of Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre. He won the seat by 122 votes and was re-elected in 2006 with 42 per cent of the vote.
The incumbent, Larry Spencer, was a member of the Canadian Alliance caucus but was dropped by the party after he told a reporter in 2003 that homosexuality should be outlawed and that a conspiracy is responsible for the successes of the gay rights movement.
When the new Conservative party was formed by the merger of the Progressive Conservative and Canadian Alliance parties, Mr. Spencer was banned from running for the Tories. The party justified its decision by saying people across the country don’t accept intolerance.
Mr. Spencer ran as an Independent and garnered less than five per cent of the vote.
Mr. Lukiwski was a small-business owner who served as executive director of the Saskatchewan PC Party from 1995 to 1997. He went on to become the general manager of the Saskatchewan Party, founded in 1997 by former Saskatchewan Liberals and Progressive Conservative party members.
Mr. Lukiwski is married and has two children.
Mr. Wall, 42, was elected premier of Saskatchewan last fall but has been involved in politics for more than two decades. He first served as a ministerial assistant in the final years of Grant Devine’s Progressive Conservative government in Saskatchewan.
In 1991, Mr. Wall ran for the Conservative nomination in his hometown of Swift Current and was defeated. He later worked as Swift Current’s director of business development before successfully running for the Saskatchewan Party in 1999. He became leader of the party in 2004.
EBD, here’s the video:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/video/vs?id=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403&ids=RTGAM.20080403.wvcomments0403,RTGAM.20080403.wvtape0403
I just love the gloating by the usual inarticulate, semi-literate cretins from the left of the spectrum. Boys, you aren’t making yourselves look any smarter. The partisanship in politics in this country is juvenile and asinine, especially on the left – where intellect and ideas are in short supply, hence the need to unearth a 17 year old tape that just conveniently happened to surface now. Line that up with every other attempt by “progressives” to smear the hated “cons”, including the idiotic motion to half-mast the flag on the Peace Tower for every military death – something opposed by 100% of the soldiers, sailors and airmen of the Canadian Forces (incl. myself).
Stupid crap was said, apologies were made. I have still to hear the corrupt thieves from the Liberal Party of Canada apologize for stealing uncounted millions from the taxpayer – something waaay worse than some idiotic words spoken two decades ago. Johnny Ringo and the rest of the children, grow up and remove the sty from your blinkered eyes.
Won’t open — says “the protocol isn’t associated with any program.” Rats.
So, what’s on it? What are some of the worst things that were said on the tape? Can you let us know?
Right on, Gypsy: ‘talk about double standards.
Stan: “The CBC’s Royal Canadian Air Farce uses accents to make fun of people, sometimes Ukrainian accents, are the NDP going after them next?”
Maybe they already have. Apparently, the Royal Canadian Air Farce is going off the air.
(I never liked them–‘always found their 8-year-old humour unfunny…’sorry for the Ukrainians they insulted…)
EBD ~ you probably accidentally included the “video:” prefix before the “http://”. If so, remove it. I can’t view it either for other reasons, but that’s probably what the word “protocol” means, it’s the part of the URL before the first colon.
EBD: Just watch CTV or CBC news. They’re running the tape every few minutes, it seems.
‘Best timing is at the top of the hour, so you’re a little late now, but anytime tongight, at 7:00, 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 o’clock will probably do it. The Liberal MSM Lapdogs can’t seem to get enough of it.
Shouldn’t there be a statute of limitations on 17-year-old “news”?
GIVE ME A BREAK.