56 Replies to “Whatever Happened To Jeans And A T-Shirt?”

  1. Wow, that’s a tough one. Grade 3 kids can probably handle it better than adults, though. I have an acquaintance who recently came out as transgendered, and from all accounts it was a trainwreck.

  3. A transgendered 3rd grader???????
    The parents as well as the doctor should be locked up with the key thrown away.

  4. If kids are anything like they were when I was one, that kid will be bullied mercilessly. He doesn’t know the Pandora’s box he has opened.

  5. “it’s every man’s right to have a baby”
    Men’s bras should be subsidized by the state…It’s a rights issue!!
    STAN: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me ‘Loretta’.
    REG: What?!
    LORETTA: It’s my right as a man.
    JUDITH: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
    LORETTA: I want to have babies.
    REG: You want to have babies?!
    LORETTA: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.
    REG: But… you can’t have babies.
    LORETTA: Don’t you oppress me.
    REG: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! — Where’s the fetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
    LORETTA: [crying]

  6. Maybe I am being naive here, but can someone who is still pre-puberty really express a genuine preference like this? Whatever the case, this kid will be teased mercilessly – his/her existence is really going to suck.

  7. BFD.
    Another Kinsella or Svend Robinson in the making.
    This is what comes of the liberal society. We glamourize homosexuality, anyone that is a christian is a racial/cultural/ideological bigot, and any moral or ethical judgement is a hate crime.
    I am glad I raised better kids than that.

  8. Let’s see if I get this straight, some progressive numbskull, and probably insane, parents are going to send their 9 year old son to school in a dress with a girl’s name to protect his fragile ego as he works himself through the phase he’s in and the administrator thinks it’s a diversity issue.
    It’s child abuse, for God’s sake!!!! An educator should have run to the phone when this kid and his parent’s scheme showed up and dailed Child Protective Sevices to get someone into that crazy household. Instead these mealymouthed education boobs when faced with this twisted farse do the pc drill and accomodate the child abuse.
    Unbelievable.

  9. Maybe I am being naive here, but can someone who is still pre-puberty really express a genuine preference like this?
    That’s my thought. I sincerely doubt that a nine year old has that developed a sense of sexuality. Even if this little boy turns out to be gay, what gay male couldn’t cope as a kid with the clothing that matched his gender.
    To me this is an appalling case of child abuse. There is no respectable psychologist or psychiatrist that would counsel a parent to do such a thing. Talk about traumatizing a kid. You are setting him up to be teased and socially shunned. Even if the kid is sweet, who would ever want him over to play with parents that are such nutballs.

  10. Walk a mile in their shoes.
    Like I said, I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.
    Transgendered people have no place. They aren’t even comfortable in their own skin. They’re ostracised not only by the broader heterosexual community but are looked down upon as freaks by even the homosexual community (which ought to be more understanding given their own standing.)
    I would hate to have their problems. They’re likely to end up dead from suicide after a decade or two of misery, loneliness, drug and alcohol abuse and since no one will hire them, they often end up prostitutes to the supposedly straight men who call them freaks.
    I consider them pitiable. The school system is in a no-win position here. The shrinks are entirely useless and there really isn’t anything else you can do with them. They’re basically doomed. I don’t know what you can do with them but this isn’t some attack by the school system on straight people.

  11. Home schooling still looks good to me.
    While we are examining the new trends in education, consider this story in California:
    Only months after a new state law effectively banned “mom” and “dad” from California schools, 600,000 students soon could be following them out the door because of what has been described as the “repudiation” of 2,000 years of Christian morality, according to leaders of a new campaign assembling education alternatives.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55808

  12. Aw c’mon Warwick.
    It’s easy to fix. We’ll just call it a ‘healthy alternative lifestyle’ and re-engineer our mainstream society and culture to be more inclusive of transgendered people.
    There is a liberal answer for everything.
    Sarcasm off.

  13. Jim,
    Re-labelling things is the problem.
    If a man think’s he’s Napolean he’s mentally ill and helped with his delusions.
    If a man think’s he’s a woman the shrinks tell him it really is everyone else who’s crazy then they mutalate the guy to look like a horror-show caricature of a woman.
    I would hope you wouldn’t make a big joke out of the mentally ill. Consider “transgendered” people exactly that.
    It’s pitiable – and not really funny.

  14. Holdfast, I think you are being naive, or, at the minimum, uninformed. Transgendered does not mean homosexual. It’s not a “sexual” preference at all — rather a gender preference.
    The transgendered person I know was a straight male who now prefers to be a lesbian female. (S)he says she knew she was supposed to be a girl since she was barely out of diapers.

  15. It’s easy to fix. We’ll just call it a ‘healthy alternative lifestyle’ and re-engineer our mainstream society and culture to be more inclusive of transgendered people.
    I did notice your wit, but one does have to wonder just what larger long term effect this could have. Suppose the predictions of some of the above posters is accurate and the student does poorly in grades. Will the “system” accomodate this student, blame the grades on “outdated” views such as Dave M. in the story and adjust grades accordingly? If this is done, will there be even greater animosity toward this student by his peers, or will some simply observe the new rules of the games and take their own turn at privilege?

  16. First, why do some seem to so readily accept that the body is wrong when it appears to an individual that the body & mind are not in sync? If a physically healthy male believes he should have a female body would it not make more sense that the healthy body is correct and that the disconnect is occurring in the mind?
    Second, when it comes to transsexuals, I can’t help but draw the parallel to those who sincerely believe they should be amputees. I watched a documentary on such people quite a while ago but it made a real impact. These people are absolutely convinced that they should be amputees, some “dress up” by hiding the limbs they do not think they should have, others eventually go farther to make the amputation a reality.
    Relevant to this case in particular, there was a women who believed her body should not have full legs who was recalling having such feelings as a young girl when she would fold under her legs while playing. Had her parents known, should they have assisted her in living as an amputee?
    There are even advocates that believe doctors should provide amputation for such people, under the concept that the body must be wrong. The saddest part I recall was an interview with a man who had frozen his legs to the point they had to be amputated but had finally gotten therapy and was starting to understand that it was his mind that was incorrect not his body.

  17. I think I remember reading somewhere that the guy who started all this “transgender” crap came out a year or two ago and admitted that maybe his research wasn’t all it could have been, and that maybe the whole “woman in a man’s body” thing was actually a mental illness, and possibly sex change operations weren’t such a great idea after all.
    Gee, ya think?
    In support of this radical notion, the one and only sex changed individual I’ve known in more than passing admitted that the worst thing he’d ever done in his life was have The Operation. Poor bastard looked like a guy in a dress, it was very sad.
    Medical incompetence on a grand scale.

  18. Warwick – at issue here is a 9 year old. He isn’t mature enough to decide cognitively or emotionally that it’s in his best interest to be a crossdressing third grader. It’s being imposed upon him.
    There is also a big difference between crossdressing, some straight people do it believe it or not, and transgendered where one seeks a completely different sexual identity. Sorry, but, at nine this kid doesn’t have the mental capacity to make that committment.
    I’ve had my share of transgendered clients. It is possible to have a brain wired into the wrong body and my heart goes out to them. Their lives are very difficult. But, they have adult coping skills to help them, this kid doesn’t. When they were 9 they weren’t set up to be public pariahs in grade school. They needed those years to develope social and coping skills for later. It’s inapproriate to impose on a kid what takes an incredible amount of maturity and emotional skills.

  19. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, like in this old tale from Mr. Cash. Unfortunately, Mr. Cash lets the wacked out parents off too easily, and has no comment at all about the wacked out cultural relativistic society that enables it all:
    “My daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn’t leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
    Now, I don’t blame him cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me ‘Sue.’
    Well, he must o’ thought that is was quite a joke
    And it got a lot of laughs from a’ lots of folk,
    It seems I had to fight my whole life through.
    Some gal would giggle and I’d get red
    And some guy’d laugh and I’d bust his head,
    I tell ya, life ain’t easy for a boy named ‘Sue.’
    Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean,
    My fist got hard and my wits got keen,
    I’d roam from town to town to hide my shame.
    But I made me a vow to the moon and stars
    That I’d search the honky-tonks and bars
    And kill that man that give me that awful name.
    Well, it was Gatlinburg in mid-July
    And I just hit town and my throat was dry,
    I thought I’d stop and have myself a brew.
    At an old saloon on a street of mud,
    There at a table, dealing stud,
    Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me ‘Sue.’
    Well, I knew that snake was my own sweet dad
    From a worn-out picture that my mother’d had,
    And I knew that scar on his cheek and his evil eye.
    He was big and bent and gray and old,
    And I looked at him and my blood ran cold
    And I said: “My name is ‘Sue!’ how do you do! Now you gonna die!”
    Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
    And he went down but, to my surprise,
    He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.
    But I busted a chair right across his teeth
    And we crashed through the wall and into the street
    Kicking and a’ gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer.
    I tell ya, I’ve fought tougher men
    But I really can’t remember when,
    He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile.
    I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss,
    He went for his gun and I pulled mine first,
    He stood there lookin’ at me and I saw him smile.
    And he said: “Son, this world is rough
    And if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough
    And I know I wouldn’t be there to help ya along.
    So I give ya that name and I said good-bye
    I knew you’d have to get tough or die
    And it’s that name that helped to make you strong.”
    He said: ‘Now you just fought one hell of a fight
    And I know you hate me, and you got the right
    To kill me now, and I wouldn’t blame you if you do.
    But ya ought to thank me, before I die,
    For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
    Cause I’m the son-of-a-bitch that named you ‘Sue’.’
    I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
    And I called him my pa, and he called me his son,
    And I come away with a different point of view.
    And I think about him, now and then,
    Every time I try and every time I win,
    And if I ever have a son, I think I’m gonna name him
    Bill or George! Anything but sue! I still hate that name!”

  20. Penny,
    I don’t disagree with you but since the shrinks have dropped the ball and defined it as an identity instead of a disorder, the school board is in a spot.
    Phantom’s right, the medical establishment sold out the needs of their patients for politics.
    If the board don’t agree to special treatment, they will most likely be sued and they will most likely lose.
    I’m more or less suggesting that I’d rather have my legs broken with a hammer than have this kid’s problems…

  22. Rather than admit that there are nuts, society, run by the loony Left, seems to have decided that it’s not the nuts, but rather society itself, that needs to change to favor the preferences of the very few over the normalcy of the many.

  23. I agree with Penny and Warwick. This is a doubly sad situation — first a kid who obviously is encountering a very profound emotional/psychological problem, made worse by adults who are taking the politically correct way out, by buying into and reinforcing it versus challenging it and, as a minimum, providing a healthy set of coping skills to the child for the problem, regardless of how it plays out in his adult life. This kid’s mental health is being sacrificed on the alther of PC.

  24. Warwick I do not mock the mentally ill. Mental illness is the same as any other- or it should be. The fact that the brain is involved carries some social stigma and it shouldn’t – the brain is just another organ in the body and just as susceptable to disease or sickness.
    I am no medical expert. But I look at some of these transgendered people and homosexuals with erratic and dangerous behaviour patterns and I don’t see a healthy alternative lifestyle, I see mental illness. For me to say so is a hate crime, though, so I just have to suck it up and “tolerate” it for the good of society…or so the social engineers tell me.
    This young fella is going to be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness and to the gods of liberal values- and it leaves me tasting bile.
    Sarcasm is all I am allowed and I have to be very careful with that in today’s society. Us old farts can all be thankful that we were raised in better times by better people.

  25. I’d be having a hard long look at the parents — and a quick call to the police and child protective services would be in order. Recall or fire all the administrators at the school.

  26. It’s gotta be something in the water up there in the Rockies. Like Coors for example.
    Seriously, although there might be some validity to the transgendered thing, I’m not so sure that the parents are the ones to diagnose this and a 9 year old isn’t really in a posituion to make life altering choices. What ever happened to 9 year olds that want to be firemen or cowboys at that age?

  27. So who will get blamed when this kid takes a gun and kills several people in a school, mall, city council meeting or whereever.

  28. NAMBLA has found a fertile recruiting ground in Douglas County. No room for competent social workers there.

  29. Another problem resulting from societal affluence.
    Where do you think this would go in Africa or South America?
    You want your your taxes to go to supporting the tantrums of this littke turd??
    Good luck to you.

  31. If a man thinks he is Napolean or Jesus, he is insane. But if a man thinks he is a woman, he is NOT insane? Sorry…does not compute.
    Now, if this is the ONLY screwy thing a man is afflicted with, then I would think he/she should be tolerated…who’s he/she harming except himself/herself, right? But seeing that it is just a kid, gosh, wouldn’t you at least TRY counselling or some other treatment first?
    As far as I’m concerned, transgender issues and homosexuality are a problem with brain chemistry that, theoretically, could be treated. But we’ll never know if this is correct or not, since any studies of this would be forbidden by the PC Knights of Tolerance.
    If you’re insane and happy to be insane, then I say live and let live.

  32. MaryT: “So who will get blamed when this kid takes a gun and kills several people in a school, mall, city council meeting or whereever.”
    jlc: Another problem resulting from societal affluence. Where do you think this would go in Africa or South America? You want your your taxes to go to supporting the tantrums of this littke turd??
    The answers to those questions are pretty easy.
    MaryT, the kid is more likely to be “messed up” if people don’t allow the kid to be who he wants to be. Not that long ago, people were beat for using their left hands to write. I’m not equating the two, but aren’t you glad society has moved along?
    And jlc’s question is even easier to answer: In Africa, and South America, the kid would probably run away from home and/or kill himself. Aren’t you glad we’re more advanced than that?
    Listen, you guys probably don’t know how hard it is for *adults* to go through this, nevermind a kid. I can understand that, as you probably don’t talk to many T/G folks. If you do, you’d be surprised how much of a living hell their lives have been so far.

  34. Yukon Gold “The transgendered person I know was a straight male who now prefers to be a lesbian female. (S)he says she knew she was supposed to be a girl since she was barely out of diapers.”

    Yea,that’s the ticket. I am a “transgendered straight male who now prefers to be a lesbian female” —
    You can call me (S,S,S,S)he…

    wait a minute, just forget the whole thing and bring me another double shot of whiskey and a beer!

  35. Scanned the article,
    But could the kid be a hermaphrodite? In which case the gender switching is somewhat more understandable.

  36. Yukon Gold “The transgendered person I know was a straight male who now prefers to be a lesbian female. (S)he says she knew she was supposed to be a girl since she was barely out of diapers.”

    Yea,that’s the ticket. I am a “transgendered straight male who now prefers to be a lesbian female” —
    You can call me (S,S,S,S)he…

    wait a minute, just forget the whole thing (i’m seeing double) and bring me another double shot of whiskey and a beer!

  37. All I can say is “Good Luck, kid!”
    I grew up with what was considered a “girls name” in Northern Ontario through the 70’s & 80’s and, although times have changed, I am sure that what happens outside of the classroom will become the main issue. You can’t regulate thought and kids can be brutal when confronted with something different. I don’t know what the child’s motivation is in this case but I am sure he will be reconsidering his decision shortly.
    The school also has a potential dillemma on their hands as parents opt to take their children (and funding!) to institutions that don’t subject them to these types of questions from their children at such a young age. It is hard enough for some to talk about sexual education at later ages. I can imagine many are not looking forward to the inquisition from their 8 year olds.

  38. Phantom, I think you were referring to the “Joan/John” case. I think there was a routine surgery being performed on an infant boy (maybe circumcision, but I don’t recall), that went wrong, leaving him disfigured. I believe the parents were counselled to let the specialist perform a sex-change operation at that age. The child was raised as a girl, developed lots of issues, and only later in development (sorry, don’t know at what stage) discovered that he had been mutilated as a baby.

  42. I’m skeptical especially when it’s a nine year old. Today “guilty” parents and a “guilty” society feed into a lot of nonsense.
    Sure it’s a mess, but there will be something down the road that beats this all to hell.
    Just ask a progressive.

  43. No self-respecting doctor would screw around with a kid this age unless he/she was a hermaphrodite,
    in which case gender assignment should be done as early as possible. Unless this kid is a hermaphrodite, the parents should be denied custody for encouraging him to act out in this way. Child abuse indeed!

  44. And which changing room will he/she be using for gym class? This is not a silly question – wait until the school gets sued by parents who don’t want a boy (or person with boy parts) changing with their little girl. Making him/her use the boys change room could only end spectacularly badly.

  45. Has anyone considered that this really isn’t the school’s problem? Maybe the school shouldn’t be involved at all until the kid and parents get the problem straightened out, or at least chose AC or DC.
    Now THAT my friends is a truly radical concept.

  46. I’m with richfisher on this one. Other than ‘they had no comment’ nothing is mentioned of the parents. Something is wrong here and I would suggest it goes far beyond a 9-yr old kid’s gender preference.
    If the M&D are M&F then I would suggest that possibly Mom wanted a girl so desperately that she knowingly or unwittingly helped persuade little Johnny that he should get a tallywhackerectomy and wear a dress. Then again maybe Dad wanted a little plaything. No normal parent would let this go. No parent that I have ever run into would ever even consider such a thing as being a possibility.
    But who knows? ( although I’m pretty sure it’s not what God had in mind when he created Eve…)

  48. Parents had no comment indeed…
    I’m with Brian M on this one, I don’t think it was an accident that everyone involved in this article failed to mention the home situation.
    Our society has become afraid to confront any issue involving gender or sexual preference to the point that now a 9 yr old boy can say “I wanna wear a dress and be called Polly” and there isn’t an adult to be found that will say “Shut up and put your pants on”. Kids have fantastic imaginations but no ability to comprehend what it is that they are choosing. Take away the training bra and give him a hockey stick. Parenting isn’t an exercise in observation, as parents we have a responsibility to encourage our kids to grow up normally, not to encourage their outrageous ideas…but as I said too many among us would be afraid to call this an outrageous idea.

  49. Hi,
    I was reading about what some folks were saying about having to cope. Personally I don’t think “making someone cope” is the best attitude to have.
    Being transgendered probably sucks really badly. You hate who you are and are uncomfortable enough with it that you would accept social ostracism because of it.
    The approach that would be best is to have parents tell their children what clothes are acceptable to wear. If the parents are liberal and the child wants to accept the result of his/her actions then what is the problem?
    The parents are not responsible if this poor kids gets the living crap beaten out of it at school. It is the school’s fault for not having provided a safe learning experience for the child.
    I find it rather disgusting that some people think that the parents are somehow at fault, as if they made him/her “queer”. Sexual preference is an individuals choice.
    As a student politician I came up on this exact issue. A transgendered classmate of mine wanted special washrooms for transgendered folk (3/15K). I thought a decent compromise would be unisex washrooms that all could use, which to him/her was the wrong answer. They wanted special treatment for a certain group, which IMHO makes them a bigot.

  50. Canuckjack,
    I think you are absolutely wrong.
    It is not a parent’s responsibility to make sure a child grows up “normal”. It’s a parent’s responsibility to protect and care for the child.
    If someone has a high IQ and is teased for it, should the parent stop the kid from reading about science and put a hockey stick in his hand?
    What a boring world it would be if everyone were to take your advice.

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