If You Build It, They Will Come

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When the concept of “multiculturalism” was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”.

Hundreds of GTA Muslim men in polygamous marriages — some with a harem of wives — are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.
Mumtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, said wives in polygamous marriages are recognized as spouses under the Ontario Family Law Act, providing they were legally married under Muslim laws abroad.
“Polygamy is a regular part of life for many Muslims,” Ali said yesterday. “Ontario recognizes religious marriages for Muslims and others.”
He estimates “several hundred” GTA husbands in polygamous marriages are receiving benefits. Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses.

105 Replies to “If You Build It, They Will Come”

  2. Does this mean if I can get a group of women together we could go to a Muslim country get it legalized there and come back and run the scam and collect checks?
    It seems a lot easier than having a crack house full of babies running a child wefare scam.

  3. Are we reading the same headlines, Kate?! (I posted on the same story about an hour earlier.)
    As I commented on my own blog, a man with four wives stands to have $6000 per month or $72,000 per year coming into the household.
    Why work?
    Oh, and did you notice the part where the guy actually says BRITAIN doesn’t make it as easy as Canada.
    T-r-o-u-b-l-e.

  6. OK so what do we do about it?
    Who are the best people to phone/write/fax to demand these people get cut off and deported — at there own expense?
    I’m serious. Let’s do it. Starting today.

  7. not if you kept them womenfolk in the ‘ol mud hut, and made sure they stayed in their place.
    One can get alot of wear out of a synthetic burka. Better than cotton.

  8. so, if these marriages are being recognized, how soon before the government is sued for being discriminatory and polygamy becomes available to anyone and everyone?

  9. Chretien urges Alta. to share wealth
    Keith Gerein, The Edmonton Journal
    Published: 2:01 am
    Alberta’s energy riches belong to all Canadians, former prime minister Jean Chretien told an Edmonton audience Thursday night, calling on them to remember that the province wasn’t always so fortunate.
    While calling Albertans “very good Canadians,” Chretien suggested the province should be generous toward the rest of the country.
    “God gave oil here, but the wealth is the wealth of all the nation,” he said to a crowd of about 1,300 in a soldout University of Alberta lecture hall. “There were bad times in the West during the Great Depression, and when those bad times came, they had to rely on the East. People don’t remember that.”
    Wonder when the Westerners wise up and beat da feat.
    Invitin a dumb sh-head like that crook out there.You bloody well embarrass yourselves.
    Bouchard WAS right.
    You now deserve to be scammed and you will be!

  10. Do the wives have to live in Ontario? Or can they collect welfare while living in Somalia? If that is the case, I have 273 wives in Somalia…honest! 273 times $6K is enough for me.
    By the way, where’s the best place to buy caviar?

  11. I’m with Kathy — I am starting with my MP, but from there where? It reminds me of a commedian I saw once who said he had crabs, but it was OK because he claimed 200 dependants on his income tax. “I may never have to work again…”

  12. And didn’t I read somewhere that they are only allowed multiple wives if they can support them?

  13. What about the part of Islam that says a man can have up to 4 wives IF he can support them??
    I guess a little technicality like the state subsidising this so called man’s harem doesn’t seem to bother the fundamentalists.

  14. Mark Steyn quoting someone else (going by memory here…) “civilizations aren’t lost by conquest, they perish by suicide.”
    The Archbishop’s recent comments on S.L., the attacks on freedom of expression by the HRCs, this story, the banning of Christ from Christmas and the 3 little pigs from a edu. curriculum etc pretty much lends credence to the quote.

  17. Just how did his estimated “several hundred” polygamists fall through the cracks and wind up with the extra benefits is the real question. And where is immigration in allowing all of these unrelated extra women to pile up in one household? How come they are on the dole to begin with?
    In country after country in the west it’s been nothing but trouble allowing Muslims in. Outside of a unit of economic production where needed, Muslims destroy the social fabric and culture in the west. There are 50 designated Muslim countries in the world with plenty of space for their special needs. If polygamy is part of the basic fabric of Islam, why are we accepting these people ever?
    Any practicing polygamist needs deported now.

  18. You know, I was under the impression that our “illustrious leaders” claimed that we NEEDED immigration so that the newcomers would all work to pay for our social services.
    How’s that working out when we bring in hordes of deadbeats?
    I don’t mind anyone coming here to work but I strongly object to loafers who come here to suck off the system. We have enough losers here already. We don’t require more.
    I think immigration should be unlimited for those who agree to buy into Canadian values 100%, who are here to work hard and make a better life for themselves and who agree that they will be ineligible for any handouts when they get here. Why in hell are immigrants eligible for free money? If they can’t support themselves they shouldn’t be here.
    If you are on welfare, instead of a cheque you should be given a ride back to your place of origin. It’s unfortunate we can’t deport our own deadbeats along with them.

  19. “Canada is a very Liberal-Minded country” ali said “Canada is way ahead of Britain in this Respect”
    And that folks is just another reason to say Enough is Enough.

  21. If you manage to position yourself under a government that cheerfully doles out the welfare bucks to you, I would think that would fall under any Islamic definition of “being able to support”.

  22. “Does this mean if I can get a group of women together we could go to a Muslim country get it legalized there and come back and run the scam and collect checks?” Posted by: Right of centre
    No. This means your marriages would not be recognized because you are not Muslim. Therefore, Islam is hoisted on a pedestal, with special treatment so only Muslims can get the cash in a land where (I’ve been told so many Fu*** times) everyone is equal.
    Go figure.
    Are immigrants not told they must adhere to Canadian law before being admitted here? If not, how come?

  23. Kathy asks “OK so what do we do about it? Who are the best people to phone/write/fax to demand these people get cut off and deported — at there own expense?”
    Last night I got called by the Conservatives asking for my support in the upcoming election. I blew them off because I was watching the Leafs conquer – conquer I tells ya! – the Habs.
    If was only after I rang off that it dawned on me that I should have mentioned the HRC crap, and had I’d known about this multiple wife nonsense, I would have mentioned that too.
    My vote is conditional on these things being straightened out. Can’t wait to speak to Wajid Khan.

  25. Kathy asks “OK so what do we do about it? Who are the best people to phone/write/fax to demand these people get cut off and deported — at there own expense?”
    Last night I got called by the Conservatives asking for my support in the upcoming election. I blew them off because I was watching the Leafs conquer – conquer I tells ya! – the Habs.
    If was only after I rang off that it dawned on me that I should have mentioned the HRC crap, and had I’d known about this multiple wife nonsense, I would have mentioned that too.
    My vote is conditional on these things being straightened out. Can’t wait to speak to Wajid Khan.

  26. This story has to be investigated thoroughly. As Joe Molnar said, the folks in Bountiful were prosecuted for polygamy just a few years back.
    If this situation , re Islamic polygamy, was known to exist, then the law has been unfairly applied against the Mormon sect in B.C., and they have a right to legal recourse, like big taxpayer’s bucks.
    We’re one Liberal majority government away from becoming as subservient as Britain appears to be.

  27. Haven’t got time to read the whole article right now but I remember that polygamy is officially illegal in Canada. When the same sex marriage stuff was happening there were all sorts of arguments made for legalizing polygamy (don’t understand the link between the 2 but somehow precedents are set such that the illegality of polygamy can be challenged).

  28. If you ever hear someone say “If they hate us and our culture so much why do they come here?” Point out this story.
    I love this part the most…
    The families receiving benefits didn’t want their identities released because it can lead to questions by authorities on how they entered Canada and can mean an end to their benefits, Ali said.
    Unreal

  29. “Why in hell are immigrants eligible for free money? If they can’t support themselves they shouldn’t be here.”
    Answer:
    Because in all likelyhood, they will vote for the party that will guarantee easiest access in the country for the easiest way to acheive their worldwide mission; see Mark Steyn for details on that mission.
    That party of course is LIBERAL.
    “Canada is a very Liberal-Minded country” ali said “Canada is way ahead of Britain in this Respect”
    It’s like the Tcechs, Russians and Roumanians who are controlling much of Toronto’s poll dancers/female slave prostitution rings: They want more of their women in so they can exploit them here…They use to go see Judy Sgro (Liberal Immigration Minister) for that. And BTW: Most all the cash made here from this lucrative business is transfered into US greenback and smuggled back to the cartels of those countries. I know, a cop told me. So that money is not even reinvested in Canada!

  31. So by this logic it should also be legal to have 12 year old wives too. Why not throw in another charming muslim tradition of homosexual pedastric relationships.
    If its good for Yasser Arafat then its good for Dudley Doright!

  32. Posted earlier on DMB but thought I’d post here too.
    We have already gone over the edge thanks to multi-culturalism. What the liberal social engineering morons didn’t understand is that the European work ethic is not universal. By voting in the airy-fairey ideals of multi-culturalism, and social responsibility we have already consigned this country to failure. The second, third, and fourth generation Canadians cannot support the infrastructure required for the new immigration wave that has developed over the last twenty years. We are seeing the results in most European countries already, no-go zones in France and Britain, honour killings, religious/political murders, demands for Sharia law, demands for more tolerance and understanding, it will continue and escalate as long as we allow it. It is too late by twenty years to stop it and there is no way we can reverse it. I pity this country intwenty years. We have been trying to assimilate and integrate the Aboriginals into our society for the last four hundred years and have failed miserably why do we think that we can be successful with a group that only wants our destruction?

  34. “Canada is a very liberal-minded country,” Ali said. “Canada is way ahead of Britain in this respect.”
    ———
    Be afraid, be very afraid when Canada is being praised for its dhimmitude over Britain.

  35. I remember being taught in school that our system of “cultural mosaic” (aka multiculturalism) was far superior to the American “melting pot” approach.
    Who’s laughing now?

  38. Didn’t the Fascists argue that re-defining marriage to allow homosexuals to marry would NOT allow this kind of thing to happen?
    The Fascists (Liberals) are always right. /sarc

  39. Under Canadian immigration law, at least this was the case a few years ago, only Mulsims had ‘proxy’ marriages recognized: this means that only Mulsims could get married over the phone, and have that marraige recognized by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

  40. So let me see if I’ve got this straight – we have immigration, in part, because we need more young people to pay for the social benefits of older Canadians, and we as a group are not having enough children.
    So we go and give citizenship to Lebanese who have no intention of leaving their country, and we foot the bill for rescuing them when their war to exterminate the Jews doesn’t go in their favour.
    Similarly we import people who, in part, will not only be a burden on the social network themselves but may in fact have up to 4 cohorts come along for the ride?

  41. Regarding Bountiful, the BC government has not prosecuted them for polygamy, but has investigated for years on the consideration of charging them with bigamy.
    The problem for the state isn’t polygamy per se – it it twofold:
    1. The challenge to religious freedom would end up in the Supreme Court – outcome uncertain
    2. The state would have to deal with the muslims if they succeed.
    Our governments are powerless in the face of the first, and honestly, they fear the second.

  42. One problem with your idea, Right of Center. 6 people on $72k is $72k/6. Do YOU want to try living on $12 grand a year? How about $12 grand a year in Toronto?
    That being said, polygamy is illegal in Canada. So WTF is up with that? Liberal Party “special deal”, that’s what. White man wants two wives, uh uh. Non-white man wants two wives, no problem!
    See Caledonia Ontario for further elucidation of the “special deal” concept. Did y’all know that if you buy a Range Rover (over $100k these days) and you live within 20 miles of an Indian reserve the insurance companies won’t cover you? They make you install a Lojack system and a special ignition lockout system. Because why? Because insurance companies have had some bad experiences regarding getting high dollar cars back off the reserve would be my guess.
    All Lefties cruising for racism here please note, the above is a not a criticism of Indians or Muslims. White people do bad things too. Its just that when the White Man steals a hundred thousand dollar automobile he doesn’t get a free pass from the OPP. M’kay?
    You don’t believe me, call an insurance company and tell them you have a Lexus and you’re going to move to Caledonia. See what they say.

  43. Obviously the train has left the station and we’re never gonna ban Muslim immigration even though we all know that it is poison, and that we are dhimmi jizya-paying suckers.
    However, surely we can tackle the whole notion of instant social benefits by scaling those benefits according to the level and duration of a individual’s economic output.

  44. Here’s the deal.
    If someone has more than one wife BUT the marriages took place in a country that allows that, then Canada will recognize the marriages.
    When applying for welfare in Ontario,only ONE wife qualifies, BUT other persons living in the same household can apply for welfare too.
    So, while strictly speaking only one wife is allowed to collect welfare, the other “persons” living in the household may collect it as well.
    Neat trick, eh?

  45. It is true, Ontario is the place to be if you have several wives acquired “legally” in a country that allows it. This pretty much means only Muslims, no other cult type religions would qualify.
    So here we are apparently supporting the multiple wives of one dick dipper and their offspring with all the benefits afforded one wife marriages. Since it’s highly unlikely these studs can support what they breed we are subsidizing them. It’s enough to make one’s skin crawl. If they did have high paying jobs they’d avoid paying taxes due to supporting multiple families.
    Are we going to tolerate supporting 14th century
    primitive rites in this modern, civilized Western democracy or are we going to be taken over?
    Reading Mark Steyn’s “America Alone” should be required reading for all, especially bone headed politicos and fools like Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Do not bother to engage McGuinty on any topic,he’s in for a four year term and will do what he pleases. He lied his ass off the previous election and still got a majority from the brain dead voters of Ontario this past one.

  46. The welfare cheques are only the end result, and may technically not be fraud. One man and one women, and their children, claim as a family. Other women and her kids claim as a single with kids. The real problem goes back to whatever genius thought it was acceptable to amend the family law act of Ontario to permit polygamy. What about coutries that permit marriage (and sex obviously) at younger ages. Does the family law act permit pedophilia? Will it in the future?

  47. From the article, we have this brilliant statement from a government factotum:
    ” Brenda Nesbitt, the city’s director of social services, said benefits are only paid to one spouse and names and addresses are cross-checked for possible fraud.
    “There may be polygamous cases we are not aware off,” Nesbitt said yesterday. “They can apply as single people and we won’t know.” ”
    I would suggest that “we don’t know” because “we don’t WANNA know.” A simple database search matching addresses and a couple of pointed questions would clear up any confusion I’m sure.
    Now, just a little thought experiment for some of you Liberal geniuses out there who are saying “hey, multiple wives, what’s the PROBLEM here?” Think “polygamy” and “arranged marriage”. Now think “polygamy” and “arranged marriage” and “dowry”. Now remember that women in Arab/Islamic culture are not allowed to own property, drive or even be seen in public without their husband.
    Then if you still have any spare neurons, think “children” and “inheritance”.
    If any of the big words like “dowry” are unfamiliar, go look ’em up and at least try to educate yourself before saying “what’s the problem?!”

  48. The Ontario government spends ninety-two billion dollars ($92,000,000,000) a year. This particular boondoggle is costing taxpayers let’s say six million dollars ($6,000,000) a year.
    Six million is a smaller number than ninety two billion. Much smaller. In fact, it is so small that it seems somewhat illogical to go to the wall over it, when billions are wasted elsewhere.
    No, I am not happy my tax dollars are going to multiple Muslim wives. I am also not happy that the government of Ontario provides financial incentive for women applying for welfare to say their boyfriends\husbands abuse them, a policy which no doubt leads to dozens and perhaps hundreds of false charges being laid on innocent men.
    Oh, and it is noted some folks up in arms over this who live in Ontario did not support the PC party last election, which is to say they supported McGuinty and the Liberals. What asshattery to complain about the results of an election in which you couldn’t be bothered voting to get rid of McGuinty! *cough*closetLiberals*cough*

  49. Lest we forget:
    CPP; death benefits, survivor benefits, etc……………..
    Abandoning our Judeo-Christian heritage and allowing SSM surely opened a can of worms. I’m getting sick and tired of the right to this and the right to that.
    You can sing all you want about having the “right to my love”, but you ain’t gonna get it baby……………..

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