M-446 — January 30, 2008 — Mr. Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca) — That, in the opinion of the House, subsection 13(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act should be deleted from the Act.
Thank him here, and then write your own MP and urge them to do their part to push this motion forward.
New: First they came for the magazine editors…. “Three complaints have been filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission against the Christian Heritage Party and its leader, Ron Gray…”
Done and done. I’ve always respected Dr. Keith Martin, maybe it’s because he was once a tory, but he’s also always been proud to support our military and is usually non-partisan. My only question is: why didn’t a government member propose this first? How come it had to be a liberal, albeit a blue one? Where are our MP’s on this one?
Done. Wrote Keith my, gag…. NDP MP Denise Savoie
Sent Keith my congratulations on his motion. I still can’t understand why Keith chose to join the liebrals but I suspect that his failed run for the Canadian Alliance leadership may have had something to do with it. Incidentally, at that time I both contributed to his campaign and voted for him. Maybe he can be persuaded to quit the liebrals and come over to our side again.
done, thanked him.
my mp Irene the siren, forget it.
It’s odd… the enemies of Messrs Steyn and Levant are far from bosom buddies with the enemies of Mr. Gray.
In a crumbling society, you can often tell what you need to rebuild first by observing where our opponents are centralizing their attacks.
Huzzah for old time religion and true liberalism!
I’ve passed on my support for this bill to R. Simard (L), St. Boniface.
Bravo, Keith!!!
My own post:
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2008/01/bloggers-get-results-mp-hears-us-takes.html
This is one of those times in which party affiliation is irrelevant and a person does the right thing, no matter what, fearlessly.
this shit will continue and get much worse.
On one hand, Martin is to be congratulated for putting this motion forward. On the other hand, is this merely an attempt to remove the most outrageous and most egregiously abused provision in a larger structure that is rotten throughout?
Done and done too.
Excellent move.! I don’t know about the time frame for passage of this sort of legislation but it is refreshing to have someone step up to the plate so quickly.
Done. Thanked Martin, emailed my MP and every other MP in this province.
The sooner the better.
Too bad it had to be a Liberal.
Good for him.
Sadly it wont get anywhere. Best that it came from a Liberal so it helps take some of the partisanship out of the issue. Hard for Mr Dion to accuse the government of being against Human Rights when it comes from his own party.
Sorry…
to much common sense to be passed
Done. MP-PMSH. I too added that it was to bad it took a liberal to bring this forward.
The following is my email minutes ago to Keith Martin
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Keith,
I congratulate ( and this from a REFORMER no less) you on putting forward the motion regarding the HRC.
The HRC’s must be held tightly to their original intent re -housing or job issues and nothing else.
Better yet abolish them entirely!
Joseph Molnar,
Woodstock, ontario
Well…no they didn’t go for editors first. They have been after Christians for a long time. No time to google and look up names:
-The Bishop that put his beliefs in writing;
-the man that owned his print shop and refused to print gay material;
-Trinity University in BC;
just to name a few.
No biggie…it goes with the territory, and has gone on for a long time.It’s just a different format with the HRC’s.
Done and “considered done” as my MP is PMSH and he must be aware of what is/is not going down re HRCs. My closing comment was that it is possible that more votes may be lost by not dealing with this issue than by dealing with it and dealing with it quickly.
Whatever it takes to have freedom of speech issues removed from the HRCs has to be a positive. I believe the HRCs should be dismantled but hey – first things first.
I”m aware of that bluetech, but it didn’t roll off the keyboard quite as neatly…
And I realise you have been quite busy at the keyboard…dealing with that internet stalker Wimpella!
I’m real curious as to how the MSM will handle this. It will all of a sudden be front and centre (cuz it is a Liberal after all) and they will have to backtrack on the events of the past few weeks….old fashioned research, fact finding and reporting.
Just kidding.
Waiting for the spin.
A liberal had to present this motion, if a conservative MP had done it can you imagine what the friendly media would have done with it.
-This is an attempt to save Ezra from prosecution, you do remember that this is the man who stepped aside to give Steven Harper a seat, blah blah blah.
Remember both Susan Delacourt and Jim Travers have stated on TV that it is payback time for Harper.
Excellent. Now, let’s see what will happen. It will be difficult to ignore this motion and the Human Rights Act with Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn having access to the MSM.
The other cases could be shuffled under the carpet by political correctness (ie, you aren’t allowed to reject homosexuality etc)..but these two cases aren’t easily swept to obscurity.
Plus – it would allow the HR Commissions to get out of the very, very sticky situation in which they have now been firmly planted by Levant, Steyn AND Warman and Bernie Farber of the CJC.
That is, Warman and Farber of the CJC, as outlined by Ezra Levant, have been vigilantes. Any hint of anti-semitism and the two of them ride up and fling a HR complaint. And they win.
Now, it’s a Muslim complaint. The HR people are stuck. If they reject it, they can be accused of showing bias. After all, their findings in the Warman-Farber complaints were based on the same specious, speculative concepts that ‘this speech’ might, just might be ‘likely’ to make someone feel hated or viewed with contempt in the future’.
Not actually has such a result. Just might have such a result.
So, with such a criterion, ie, with no focus on any acts of hatred or contempt (how do you define an act of contempt?)…and with a focus only in the minds of the HR commissioners that the speech ‘might’ have such a result..well, there’s no evidence required. Just whatever is in the ‘minds’ of the Commissioners.
Therefore, if they don’t find against Levant and Steyn, their minds are ‘showing bias’ against Muslims.
I suggest that if the House of Commons removes Section 13.1, or even puts it before the House, the HR Commissions can refuse to deal with the Levant and Steyn cases. Heh.
Biff’s call:
Dr. Martin jumps back to the conservative tent before the next election.
Thank you,
thank you very much.
This motion has the potential of changing Richard War-man into Richard Warman.
Re Mr Gray: it’s important to note that many Christians, especially those on the “fundamentalist” end of the spectrum, sincerely believe that homosexuality is a deliberate, learned behaviour that can be changed. This is consistent with the scriptural position on the subject. I disagree — I think it’s inborn behaviour, not acquired — but the fact is even scientists are not 100% certain of the cause of sexual orientation.
Until science provides a definitive answer, Gray should be entitled to his own opinion as long as he doesn’t promote violence or discrimination against GLBTs. It shouldn’t be illegal to have an opinion.
Ellie in T.O….you have described freedom of religion.
It’s that simple.
Hmm — isn’t it interesting that this whole issue of HRC’s attacking free speech has caught the attention of Parliament before it has caught the attention of most MSM media outlets. I suppose we will see coverage now that a Liberal has taken up the cause, but any bets there will be little if any mention of Levant’s case?
Wish we could see the look on Dion’s face:
“Whoo eez dis Azra Leevan?”
“What eez dis Hach-arcee?”
This also stop Goverment’s from sloughing off their resposibilities to unelected unaccountable bodies. Paul Martin come on down.
For the hell of it I went to CBC website and typed in “Keith Martin”. What came back is headline “Another Conservative MP bolts party”. Nothing on this private member’s bill. Somewhat odd doncha think but of course there isn’t bias because that would be unethical.
I also wrote Martin but included this is just a first step and it is time to disband the HRCs altogether. Kenney is my rep and I have already written PMSH. Kenny replied post haste still no answer from the PMs poffice.
Excellent analysis ET at 9:52 am.
I just finished emailing my MP for Oxford County, (conservative) Dave MacKenzie with CC’s to a few of his cohorts regarding the Steyn, Levant HRC overreach.
If you search google, for the Canadian Human Rights Act and Keith Martin, you’ll find that the Conservative blogs are filled with references to his Motion.
Blogs are important public forces; they enable more people to speak out; they enable the development of a rapdily self-correcting and evolving knowledge base. Blogs and the internet function as a Community. Not as individuals. That makes for a powerful knowledge base.
The MSM can’t do that; the MSM is frozen within brain-dead people who pontificate but, since they speak only as single people, the MSM can’t correct itself. Their knowledge base remains confined to those individuals. Jim Travers, Gloria Galloway, Greg Weston, Jane Tabers and so on.
The MSM are moving more and more to the periphery of shaping and informing public opinion. Therefore, why attempt to prop up the forces of Natural Evolution, which will see the extinction or marginalization of the MSM. Focus on the blogs.
Didn’t think the day would come when I’d be congratulating a Liberal. It’s also a pretty good strategic move in exposing, separating and marginalising the NDP.
On another note, the idea that Levant’s publishing of MoTunes might incite hate, violence, etc., may in actual fact be plausible.
It is a fact that the publishing of these cartoons has inspired Islamic hatred, violence, death threats and murder against non-Muslims.
Done
Never thought I would send congratulations to a (L)iberal, but I have to give credit where credit is due.
I disagree, irwin daisy. I don’t think that in a court of law, that it could be proven that publishing the political cartoons of Mohammed etc, “has inspired Islamic hatred, violence, death threats and murder against non-Muslims”.
There are several reasons why I think that such a relation can’t be viewed as ‘fact’.
First, there was no reaction to the publication for several months. Second, the reaction came only after a rabble-rousing imam ADDED three fake cartoons and went on a trip to the ME to incite reaction. How can one therefore show that the original cartoons incited such a reaction – when they didn’t; and when the reaction came only after three fake ones were added, and when an authority figure went on a campaign to incite violence?
I think a decent lawyer could readily demolish any attempt to establish a direct link. Never mind the near-impossibility of establishing a direct link between any opinion-speech and someone else’s actions.
What’s up the Liberals these days?
Little spots of common sense appearing above the bubble of leftarded political ideology.
Stuff on Aghanistan (Manley) , stuff on media corruption and bias(Jean Lapierre), stuff on freedom of speech (Martin)!!!
I think that the few level heads in the party of corruption and privilege are finally tired of the dogma being enforced by the idiot leadership.
If the revolution does exist within the LPC then there is at least some hope that we may finally shed the stain on our nation that is the legacy of PET.
Please God let it be.
Bravo Keith Martin! I have also thanked him and sent an email to my Conservative MP. This is too important for the average citizen not to speak out.
Just wrote to my MP( NDP-UGH!). Copy to PMSH as well.
Memo to Griff,
A little reality,
Your comment ..”he’s also always been proud to support our military”….
To the contrary: Keith Martin, more than any other local politician, has had many negative comments about our Afghani mission. He has always added the weasel words, ‘I support the troops’. He has lost a lot of respect within the local military community with these comments which in reality undermine our military. He is a keen observer of bandwagons that can be jumped on when there is political hay to be made. His moving to the Liberals was born of opportunism not for any ideal, sorry, but I am not a fan of his.
Done.
I also invited him to undo his mistake and re-cross the floor back to the right side of the house.
Daisy…I agree,he’s no better than Belinda or Brison,bandwagon opportunists,looking for their next entitlement.
Hmm I see Kinsella, having had the wind knocked out of him & his buddy Warman, is feeling a might peevish today.
Imagine – a Liberal wanting to rein in the HRC – bet that smarts eh WK.
http://tinyurl.com/2yad5c
ET,
Granted, the reaction to the original MoTune controversy was manipulated by the imams. However, the reaction was the same and is a fact that the world is familiar with. There is also the TeddyMoBear debacle as well. There is no precedent for non-Muslims to react violently, as the HRC charge attempts to posit.
There’s a nice outline of the Mohammed cartoon situation outlined on the Western Standard. The political cartoons were published Sept 30/05( I really find your term of ‘MoTune’ in itself, insulting, irwin daisy). There was minimal reaction anywhere. Then, three months later, several Danish imams took them to the ME, and added three fake cartoons and openly campaigned for a violent reaction.
So, the reaction, in my view, was a total manipulation and was not due to the publication of the cartoons, or even to the cartoons (most of which were not available to that Damascus crowd) but was pure rabble rousing by hate mongers.
There was no reaction in the Muslim world except when created by rabble rousers.
As for the Teddy Bear incident (again, I find your term of MoBear insulting), where a teacher was accused of insulting Islam because one of her young students called the class teddy bear ‘Mohammed’ – that was also, apparently, a manipulated affair, by one of the school councillors.
I don’t think that the HRC charges against either Ezra Levant or Mark Steyn refer to Muslims reacting violently. According to the HRAct rules, Section 13.1 refers to situations that “are likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt”. Nothing to do with violence.
Plus, the reaction to the Western Standard publications was minimal in Canada and wasn’t violent.
This clause, of course, has been thoroughly argued against on this and other blogs and in the MSM as untenable in any valid court of law, because it is based on pure speculation (and in the minds only of the HR Commissioners) on future results of X-speech. Such a mechanical predictive linearity can’t be assigned to thought and speech.
What I think (speculate) is happening is that the HRC in Alberta and elsewhere has gotten itself into deep quicksand. Heh – after all, Shirlene McGovern phoned Levant asking him to take down his videos of the Inquest. So much for freedom of speech. And the head of the Alberta HRC wrote to the Edmonton Journal trying to downplay the whole thing.
But, the HRC are in quicksand. Thanks to Ezra’s confrontation. And thanks to blogs for spreading the word.
The HRC have been keeping themselves busy convicting people of having ‘politically incorrect thoughts’, such as being against homosexuals and such. But..there’s more..
As pointed out, the CJC, via Richard Warman and Bernie Farber, have made use of this section to silence any remark they consider as critical of Israel/Jews by defining it as anti-semitic. They’ve won every case.
Now, there are two Muslim complaints, against – heh – people of Jewish background. The HRC can’t refuse to convict them, or they’ll set off screams of ‘bias’ and ‘anti-Muslim’..etc.
But the publicity about the fact that that clause Section 13.1 is a violation of our fundamental human right to free speech, has pushed the HRC, almost, off the cliff.
Keith Martin’s bill in the House (and I think that the CPC are the originators of this bill) is the trick to get the HRC back from the edge of the abyss. As a Liberal bill, it can’t have the knee-jerk reaction of opposition from the MSM and the Liberals/NDP. As referring only to one clause, it won’t ruffle the feathers of the social workers in the Liberals/NDP.
Even having it in the House, will allow the HRC to say that they can’t deal with the case. Passing it, will absolve them completely.
Keith Martin must be getting lonely in the Librano fold. Too bloody bad, his choice.
He made one good motion here, we can support that but let’s not go all soppy. It’s hard to forgive someone who crosses the floor as a sore loser. One doesn’t change ideology for opportunistic reasons.
Martin did just that. I would be disappointed if he were accepted back into the Party he left for the wrong reasons.
“Liberal MP Moves to Ensure Nazi Rights”
This is just sick. What a wonderful example of “Liberal values”–equating free speech advocates (even Liberal ones) with Nazi sympathizing: http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/01/liberal-mp-moves-on-human-rights.html
The Liberals rock. Are you guys just finding out now?
Not that I agree with Martin. Just funny that you guys are all “too bad it had to be a Liberal” – thereby proving your’re party people, and not principle people.
And whats the reference to the CHP? Something about “special rights for homosexuals”? Since when was marriage a “special right”?
Damn, you guys are messed up.
Too bad it had to be a Liberal.
Only a Liberal could propose this without being tagged with the R word, just like only hawks can be trusted to make peace, and doves to make war.
Just as only Liberals could get the deficit under control after conservatives and conservative think tanks did all the preparatory ideological spade work.
Me no Dhimmi – I like the backward ass stance you take. “only hawks can be trusted to make peace…”. That’s an awful lot of garbage.
It’s also interesting to see that you name yourself according to what you aren’t (because the muslims are taking over the world!), rather than what you are.
Poor, poor child.
MoToon, MoBear, insulting? Why I think they’re quite cute! Endearing even.
And how in g-d’s name is the infidel ET insulted exactly?
C’mon ET that’s mutli-culti reflex emoting, not unlike that of our oh-so-tender Muzzie HRC manipulators.
We need to help toughen up those sensitive hard-done-by Muzzies with some good-natured, harmless ribbing — help them learn how to live in the rough and tumble of a free society. Don’t feed the faux grievance ET!
Be kind to the Muslims! Help them grow up!
Me No Dhimmi, ex-Newf, ex-Papist.
MSM covers the facts: “man”, “Quebec man”, “Austrian-Canadian bomb plot”, etc.
His name: Said Namouh. His occupation: Muslim Islamist terrorist, aka murderers of infidels.
MSM aids/abets Muslim Islamist jihad, aka murder.
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Bail hearing held for man in alleged Austrian-Cdn bomb plot
By Sidhartha Banerjee, THE CANADIAN PRESS
MONTREAL – A Quebec man being held in an alleged Austrian-Canadian bomb plot was in possession of hundreds of videos and images depicting just how to create suicide bomb packs and perpetrate other terrorist acts, the RCMP said Thursday.
Said Namouh, …- http://tinyurl.com/2bkrhu