Living in Quebec I don’t much care about the Ontario election, but from what I’ve followed of it I know I’d be pretty disappointed at the lack of a real conservative platform to vote for. I notice I’m not alone, here’s John Robson’s opinion:
Then there’s John Tory. We did not need another demonstration that a sophisticatedly amorphous Red Tory approach is as futile in political as in policy terms. We got one anyway. Then he crumpled on his only principle-like position. Thanks for coming out. Now go away.
He concludes the best option is to find the least objectionable marginal candidate and vote for him. If you have a chance to vote for a Libertarian, Freedom Party or Family Coalition Party candidate this might be a good opportunity to park your vote there until there’s a real conservative option.
Speaking of small parties, Kateland at the Last Amazon shares the low opinion of current conservative candidates and opts for an albino candidate standing for The Party for People with Special Needs. Make sense to me.
And as for the referendum on the Mixed Member Proportional representation, it would be worth going to vote just to bury this dumb idea. There’s nothing wrong with our electoral system in my opinion, the problem is with the lousy candidates we elect. Funny enough, John Robson says exactly that, too:
Ontario is slated to hold a “historic” referendum this October on whether to discard our centuries-old system of electing representatives in favour of something called MMP or “mixed member proportional.” Just say No. It’s a bad solution to the wrong problem.
Bruce points out a video on Ontario’s health care system. I’m not sure there’s any real reform of the health system on offer in this election, but the video is interesting nonetheless.
Drop your opinion/links on the Ontario election and referendum in the comments.
As sad as I am at the campaign run by the tory tories, throwing your vote away to a fringe party is ridiculous. Letting mcguinty have another crack at ruining the province just in order to get ourselves a more conservative leader is a horrible plan. this faith based school shenanigan of an idea has taken a sure PC victory and turned it into a defeat. Enough MPPs for the PCs would vote against it I’m not concerned about providing them my vote so I will be backingi them tomorrow.
No to MMP…more elected reps, less accountability..nuff said.
On a somewhat related note, today I met Dalton Mcguinty on the elevator in my Dad’s condo. I’m in Toronto for a few weeks from BC, overseeing the reno and sale of my dad’s place, since he recently moved to a retirement home.
I recognized Mcguinty from the news, and by the fact he was with some of his campaign staff, and the local Liberal candidate.
As I was getting off at my floor, Mcguinty jokingly said to me, “By the way, we’re Liberals. Consider yourself lucky to escape unscathed.”
Unfortunately, I have a feeling residents of Ontario won’t be quite as lucky as I was in escaping unscathed.
“a more conservative leader” small c torontonian? How about just a conservative leader? Whatever your reasons a vote is a reward for the campaign and policies presented, an endorsement, and rewarding something will always bring more of the same.
We do agree on MMP.
This site is suffering from “lackakate”.
I will be voting in the provincial election tomorrow. I will suck it up and vote for the conservative candidate in my riding. I don’t like to reward them because they are about as red as a “conservative” party could possibly get.
Tory came up with the faith based school idea to get the ethnic vote who usually vote collectively and usually vote liberal. It backfired on him and I find this pandering to every special interest group really annoying. Luckily, the conservative member in my riding is an incumbent and he seems pretty good.
MMP will not even come close to happening. The guys at work who are not even remotely interested in politics were having a heated conversation about it the other day, and were probably three or four to one against.
Nice to read your comments about this campaign.
Normally, I’d root for the conservatives but I have two problems w/ that:
#1. My exemplar is the Sandra Pupatello. Yup, everybody’s favorite gunsmoking liberal in Windsor West… where the west starts!
#2. The negatory campaign being run by John Tory I’ve been covering is just plain… disgusting. I mean, calling Sandra Pupatello for all intents & purposes a traitor, parking the campaign bus in violation of elections law next to an advance polling place, the religious school divisive tax credit, calling a fellow candidate a jack-in-the-box and saying Ontario’s “dead last”. That’s not how to campaign – and Rescuing Canada’s Right says so.
I’ll stop there.
I was extremely disappointed with John Tory’s campaign, up until the start of it I thought he would make an excellent premier.
If it weren’t for a decent conservative candidate in my riding, I would be voting libertarian.
John Tory is not being bitch slapped by Ontarians…He is being bitch slapped by traditional conservatives who KNOW…that he sold them out for a few liberal votes, thinking they wouldn’t go anywhere.
He didn’t even have the guts to back up Mike Harris and stress the positives. Nope….his attitude was vote either the Liberal who lied to you or for the liberal who won’t.
Let’s see…vote for the liberal party now and maybe get a liberal for one more term or try elect the Tories, so we’re guaranteed at least two more times of liberal rule.
It really is a shame that the Ontario Tories keep picking duds to lead them. I’m so glad when I lived there that Mike Harris was in charge, kept the BS to a minimum.
I think its time Bob Runciman ran for the leadership to be honest. He’s the real conservative the PCs in Ontario long for.
As for this election, Dalton McGuinty…he’s just not up to the job. Unfortunately it appears he’s still got it.
In a few years, it’ll be Premier Sandra Pupatello and trust me, her policies may be a bit different than your favorite guy Mike Harris but the moxie and the you-know-where-I-stand will be there. Vote Ontario Liberal if you can’t stand John Tory. The NDP is a joke that is long dead, sort of like Tommy Douglas.
The link “Bruce points out a video”… did anyone watch that 4-minute film?
THAT’S why we should be allowed to buy private health insurance to augment our publicly-funded health care.
THAT’S why the Canadian government should get out of the way of the Jacques Chaouli decision by the Supreme Court of Canada, in other words, rewrite the Canada Health Act to allow citizens to purchase comprehensive private health insurance.
BREAKING TOR STAR
JOHN TORY BOLDLY PREDICTS A GOV’T WITHOUT McGUINTY
Across 11 ridings Tory moved aggressively to solicit support. This is the express time for every Conservative in Ontario to STAND UNITED, focusing on the direct cue from John Tory stating he will “seek the will of the people.” Throw it to him. Prove Cherniak wrong as he states to the effect John Tory’s a nice guy and the best mayor Toronto never had. However, he presents as the best premier Ontario can absolutely elect tomorrow with under 24 hours to go. This time vote for yourselves, all Ontarions. Remember we’re roughly half of Canada. Link below:
http://www.thestar.com/OntarioElection/article/265293
“If you have a chance to vote for a Libertarian, Freedom Party or Family Coalition Party candidate this might be a good opportunity to park your vote there until there’s a real conservative option.”
Many of these candidates (SUZANNE, John Pacheco, and Paul McKeever, I’m looking at you) are not even conservative by their own admission. McGuinty’s crew has so redefined the dominatrix state that it is inconceivable to me that anyone would have any opposition to an even slightly less statist party and candidate. I’ve never been more revolted by my own people, by which I mean Ontarians and conservatives.
Of course there’s nothing wrong with mixed member proportional in your opinion. Having a system such as this or STV would ensure that the likes of the current ruling party (federally) would never see power. Afterall, the conservatives run the country with 36% of the popular vote. Yet, virtually all of the other 64% sit ideologically left of this party. If you’re a conservative you definitely are happy with the way things are.
There was merit in the faith-based school funding scheme. Why should the Catholics get a free ride when every other faith has to pay? Extend that to everyone or cut out the Catholic system, and the former option causes less grief. (And if the two systems are meant to reflect the two founding peoples, shouldn’t that be a French system rather than a system that’s more Catholic than the average Francophone Canadian in this century?)
What bothers me is that the Liberals were willing to throw Multiculturalism on the altar of short-term electoral advantage to attack this, and that Tory and his candidates weren’t prepared to clearly explain and defend this policy. And a raspberry to the media for turning this into a one-issue campaign when health and economic issues should get a lot more focus.
Go for it Ontario.
Being from BC and sitting through elections where the NDP got elected plus the bonus of sitting through Canadian elections with the Liberals getting elected , all I can say is you reap what you sow.
As the nanny state grows, as your taxes grow and the economy will shrink think back to all of you approving this.
enough
I for one will be happy to see McGuinty get reelected in Ontario.This will help the conservative cause in the rest of the country. McGuinty will continue on his path of destruction in Ontario because that is what socialists do. This will anger the people of Ontario and this will cause a further backlash against the federal Liberals. Can you imagine the Tory bashing that would go in the Globe and the Toronto Star if the Conservatives were in power in Ontario ? The CBC would also have a further opportunity to bad mouth the Conservative brand. A Liberal win in Ontario is a gift for the Conservatives in the rest of the country. We should thank the people of Ontario for this sacrifice.
I’m still voting for Tory…..One’s hoping for at least a McGuinty minority.
Maybe the MSM and McGuinty have been shooting themselves in the foot for the past week or so with arrogantly predicting a Liberal majority…
What if this inspires enough Ontarians to vote Tory? A lot of sheeple out there are still kinda mad at Dalton’s broken promises….One can only dream I guess.
Wake up ONTAXIO!!!
50% of the people pay 95% of taxes.
When you rob Peter to pay Paul, expect Paul to vote for more of the same.
With politics catering to the lowest common denominator, it becomes pretty insulting to a predicate being and hence a wide open field for the less sensible. I could easily lose sleep thinking of the legions of muncipal, provincial and federal politicians to come. All with something to promise us in order to get elected. All promises with a price tag. Where does one hide? Baa.
William:
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I can’t stand my local MPP, and even though he didn’t get 51% of the vote, he still got more votes than anyone who ran against him so I’m having a hard time convincing myself that it’s unfair he should be allowed to represent me. Majority or not, he had more support amongst the people he represents than any other candidate, and it was those people who put him there, not his party.
It’s sad that people want to take away power from the actual voters and give it to the parties, but it’s even sadder that they think this is going to help democracy. How can you really claim you’re concerned about democracy when you want to lessen the influence of the people and increase the influence of parties? Who do you think you’re fooling? Most of the support for MMP is coming from supporters of smaller parties who realise that this system will give them power they can’t win democratically!
I agree and would add….
Can we now all see the reasons socialists want PR, they can’t win in a FPTP democratic election, because their policies are too extreme(radical) for the mainstream voter. MMP is like affirmative action for political parties, according to them, all viewpoints are valid and should be represented.
:Note to Taliban Jack: Stop dreaming of nationalizing the banks, bring your policies into the centre “mainstream”, maybe you could win enough seats to make a difference, stop crying unfair when you don’t. It’s your RADICAL policies at fault NOT the WAY we vote.
MMP solves nothing, fixes nothing, it allows fringe parties to form coalitions, and force their minority view on the majority.
Stop trying to cheat your way into power by changing the way we vote and calling it reform.
MMP or PR IS NOT DEMOCRACY!
It looks to me like the country consists of nothing BUT RED socialist governments…. from BC to NL …. And I’m including the nascent reds in AB’s current government.
Tory is not going to be any better. With his madrassa funding, suing aboriginal terrorists and creating central government controlled database of our health records he sounds SOOOO delusional.
It’s actually a spit in the face of those in Ontaxio (love the term GAG just coined) who still have brains: makes it look as if PC think they can put anything into the ‘platform’ and win.
If only Tory hung on to the traditional small government platform, everything would have been fine, but his maneuvring to satisfy everyone and his sister is disgusting at the very least.
And why oh why do they always try visible minority candidates where it’s absolutely inappropriate? I am not a racist, but the party can’t just rely on one single ethnicity to get votes, even if 30% of our local electorate are from India. Indian voters are not solid, they come from different cultures and Hindu most likely won’t vote for a Sikh candidated, as well as Filipino won’t vote for a Kenyan black guy. Don’t lynch me – this is not racism, this is math.
Well, according to the Election Project (which has a pretty good track record) its going to be:
Liberals 67
PC 28
NDP 12
Green Still zero
http://www.electionprediction.org/2007_on/index.html
(Just want to get that in before the election as I vey much doubt it will be off by more than a total of half a dozen seats).
So, Tory will lose his seat, hang on until a new leader comes aboard, then go after Miller as Mayor. This is a good thing.
The chinless wonder of a Frank Burns imitator running the Liberals will start to lose his caucus about two years in, with rival leadership bids being set up, and the corruption becoming more blatant as he ensures he still remains relevant.
This will lead to a real conservative government being asked in, again, to clean things up. This is also a good thing.
Now, if I can just learn to deal with the sanctimonious twits gloating for the next few years…
Instead of a MMP system, I’d prefer that we have a very simple amendment:
Only those people who are NET tax payers get to vote.
The yanks brought in the idea of no taxation without representation. Canadians can bring in the idea of no representation without taxation.
The slogan can be: “If you don’t pay, you have no say.”
Why in hell should deadbeats be able to demand other people’s money and also demand how other people’s money is spent?
As for Tory, I think he’s trying to better his performance running Kim Campbell’s campaign. No worse a loser has Ontario ever run under the PC banner. What an idiot. How did this guy get anywhere with such bad judgment?
“Now, if I can just learn to deal with the sanctimonious twits gloating for the next few years…”
That’s just it, JG. I hate the gloating we’ll have to endure once McGuinty’s back. And what truly gets me is that the Libs’ tactics of fearmongering and encouraging bigotry will have worked. Kinsella’s gloating blog is truly hard to read. He used bigotry against Stock Day very effectively in the Chretian vs Day election, making creationism an issue when the $billion boondoggle should have had voters’ attention. Only an evangelical Christian is allowed to have his personal beliefs mocked openly in the public sphere. That tactic would never have been used against a Muslim or a Jew. Now Kinsella’s using the same tactic against Tory (who, from all I’ve seen is a good man who’s too forthright and not sneaky enough to succeed in politics). And Kinsella’scrowing over it sooo much . . . it’s nauseating. He’s proud of himself for using an innocuous issue to bring down good men, and for promoting fear and bigotry.
McGuinty went to a separate Catholic system, his children go to it, his wife teaches in it, and yet he bleats and bleats about the evils of publicly funded “segregation.” Hypocrite. This election should have been about so many broken promises, the highest tax increase in the country with absolutely no improvement in healthcare (which is why we had the increase in the first place), mismanagement of public funds, etc. But everyone gets all freaked out about a few thousand kids getting public funding (paltry few $ involved, actually), and having their classes monitered instead of ignored (isn’t that a good thing when it comes to “scary” fundamentalist schools, be they Christian or Muslim?).
Bigotry, goaded by Kinsella et al, is losing this election for Tory. It’s sad, and a little scary, that it’s working so well.
The Ontario election was stage managed by a massive issue shift from McGuinty’s gawd awful record to a vacuous school funding strawman. It was done with full complicity of the GTA media which served as McGuinty’s defacto communications team.
I can’t blame Tory too much…his politics are lame but his campaign team tried to swing to more subctantial issues but with a McGuinty-biased juggernaut of the media ignoring him and keeping him below radar in the media…he was doomed from the day Dolton bought the GTA MSM with patronage candy.
Normally in a politically astute population this would not be an issue. Government malfeasance and desertion of duty are issues that cause a civilly minded voter base to punish such a rogue regime… but Ontario’s 911 voter base is totally comatose…to them corruption, malfeasance and dereliction of constitutional duty of office are Moot…they vote the way the Star-G&M-CBC tells them to…and they will suffer for it too.
I predict a slim liberal majority ( due to vote splitting) and a subsequent mass migration of capital and skilled workers out of Ontario in the next 4 years as they plunge into being a perennial “have not” province…. begging for larger and larger chunks of fed equalization Pie to pay their bloated public union payrolls…as their largest city crumbles from neglect and lack of development.
The ‘O’ in poverty trap is for Ontari-airi-ario
Agreed, ann. I stopped reading his blog for the election just because I knew the bile would be rising. That he continues to consider himself a “giant killer” by taking down pipsqueaks like John Tory is what makes me the sickest. Well, that and his general hypocrisy, but he’s a Liberal, that’s a given. Its like bragging you should be in the Hockey Hall of Fame because you’ve scored 500 goals in road hockey…
As I said, though, McGuinty won’t be able to keep the corruption and incompetence under wraps for much longer. Smitherman and Byrant, et. al., will be setting off stink bombs against each other, which means Cabinet leaks, etc. Follow the money…
The good thing is, the separate school system is unravelling: even the Toronto Star has editorialized against it, and 70% of Ontarians want a change. So, we lose a bad PC leader, hopefully gain a better mayor, and get rid of the “separate but equal” garbage.
My only hope is that at least one cabinet minister loses tonight, but its a faint one.
As for MMP: forget it. Our MPPs have too little power now. Unless you are a fave of the premier, as a backbencher you might was well be a trained seal. Hell, they’d be cheaper. We don’t need more MPPs giving us even less local representation.
My system: run-off elections. Unless you get 50%+1 of the vote in your riding, you can’t represent it. Top two go at it again. (I’d even like a % of voter turnout to count: if you don’t get, say, 75% of the people voting, you don’t get an MPP…but that’s a bit too radical).
Well said Ann. No one says a peep about the Ontario Teachers buying McGuinty and the Liberals. I guess it is okay that students graduate stupid, if they aren’t killed in school or on the mean streets to Toronto. And Brampton. I guess it is okay for the test scores to decline. All we need is a bit more $ to fix the school system. Perhaps right minded Conservatives will realize that these controversial fixes to the our social malaise should be introduced well before the election to allow for a better debate on the issue. I can only hope that McGuinty will self destruct over the next 4 years and the alternate information venues will grow to help overcome the bias of the old order media. Did the media ever once mention that the Supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that Ont. could fund other faith based schools? No, that would mean they would have to research a story and actually present a fact or two rather than their opinion on the latest poll.
Let’s start a draft McGuinty for federal Liberal leadership campaign! Why should Ontario be so selfish? Would you western readers please speak to your federal Liberal MP’s to pick up the cause? What, the fed Liberals are MIA. Please someone take McGuinty off our hands.
WL,
Due to the formula which the Equilization scam is calculated, Ontario can never be eligible to collect no matter how much McShifty damages things.
And don’t make excuses for Tory. He owned that election up until he opened his mouth. All he had to do was shut up and coast and it was his. People hated McShifty. It took a special kind of stupid to make that scum-sucking vermin look good.
Tory did himself in. The media would have tried to help McShifty if he needed the help but Tory did it for them.
I expect angry villagers to run him out of town with pitchforks 15 minutes after the election.
I am a member of the Ontario PC party. I did NOT vote for John Tory, I consider him a pink underwear Granite Club dork. I very much doubt he will do anything that different than the Liberals would, except maybe steal less. I tell that to anyone who will listen.
That said, it would be IDIOTIC to fling your vote away on some fringe party. The most effective way to proceed is to vote PC, join the party and go to the meetings. Tell anyone who you can grab by the lapels that you want a TAX CUT RIGHT F—ING NOW, and maybe the right to own property and own a firearm would be nice too.
If the Ontario readership of this one blog did that today, John Tory would be serving up a tax cut in his throne speech. He’d have to, all his MPPs would be freaking out. That’s how this works.
You want freedom? FIGHT FOR IT, don’t whine about Dalton. Hell, we don’t even have to dodge bullets, just make a few phone calls and show up at some meetings.
To all of you bashing John Tory… you might want to read THIS as you continue your attack runs.
Oh well, your negatory campaigning is what cost you today.
Could someone please direct me to a Canadian conservative blog? I was under the impression that this blog was broadly speaking conservative but with all of the pro-McGuinty posts dominating the comments here I think it would be best if I took my action elsewhere because this joint is anything but conservative.
So can someone direct me to an actual conservative blog in Canada where Liberals, closet or otherwise, don’t post garbage? Thanks in advance.
Andrew;
Try Blogging Tories
I can be such a nice guy, eh?
“Try Blogging Tories”
Too much gay child pornography and McGuinty support there for my liking.
The founder of the Blogging Tories and moderator of the forums there, Craig Smith, wrote – and this is a direct quote – “I hope John Tory loses.” Other BTs have been even more direct in their support of McGuinty. So I’ll have to disqualify all 250+ BT blogs on that basis and request something more appropriate for taxpaying adults. Any thoughts?
Sorry about that. Completely unintentional Andrew.
I voted this morning.
Reading the ballot confirmed my vote against changing the electoral system.
A preview of an MMP system was on the ballot. One moonbat party after another. If Ontario isn’t already Canada’s definition of hell, it would be with that retarded system.
Good for you irwin to vote.
Well was said, “Decisions are made by those who show up.”
Now if you’re in Ontario, PLEASE GO VOTE! (preferably for the sandra pupatellontario liberals)
i will still vote tory & if 2face mcguinty wins don’t be surprised if he don’t put in the faith based system (Only It will be Different, thats what he will say)
Lookout
it would be IDIOTIC to fling your vote away on some fringe party.
I’m trying to figure out who to vote for right now. I live in Ottawa Centre, and given that this area is full of bureaucrats and immigrants it’s been a Liberal/NDP stronghold since I’ve lived here. I don’t think the Tories have a snowball’s chance in Hell here. So, I’m wondering if I should vote Tory as the best of a bad bunch, or vote strategically for the NDP just to try and keep out the Liberals, hoping that not too many people across the province feel similarly. Yeesh.
At least I know how I’m voting in the referendum. As bad as things are now, I fear for what we might get, in terms of fringe-party power, if we go MMP.
Just got back from the polling station. A gret big NO for MMP and a great big YES for my PC candidate.
And go screw Pupatello and her Liberal party. I’ve seen her in action and she’s nothing more than a typical Liberal puppet, regurgitating the party line.
Here is the actual referendum question:
Which electoral system should Ontario use to elect members to the provincial legislature?/Quel système électoral l’Ontario devrait-il utiliser pour élire les députés provinciaux à l’Assemblée législative?
The existing electoral system (First-Past-the-Post)/L’actuel système électoral (système de la majorité relative)
The alternative electoral system proposed by the Citizens’ Assembly (Mixed Member Proportional)/L’autre système électoral proposé par l’Assemblée des citoyens (système de représentation proportionnelle mixte)
My own question: Why is the name of the group “Citizen’s Assembly” on the ballot at all? It sounds so of the people that the uninformed may select this alternative. Good thing the group wasn’t called “Vote for us and we’ll pave your roads”.
James Goneaux:
Yes, a run-off system, similar to that used by the French, would be a good alternative; they call it the ‘single member simple majority’ system, and it guarantees that (a) all seats are chosen by actual voters, unlike MPP, and (b) all representatives were elected by a majority of voters (unlike either MMP or FPTP). It is a more expensive system to run, but has the unusual virtue that the voters get to re-assess their behaviour based on actual results of the first round; kind of eliminates “buyer’s remorse”.
One variation is that instead of automatically putting the top two into the run-off, you select the top multiple of candidates whose combined votes are at least 66% of all votes cast, and have more than one run-off if the first one does not yield a 50%+1 winner. This is a bit more ‘democratic’ in that in the heavily-divided ridings the third (or even fourth) place candidates get another kick at the can; and also mathematically guarantees that at some point you get a two-way race (75% is too high for that).
Oh, and John Tory’s provincial political career is over. For this election I’m tempted to ‘officially decline’ my ballot at the polling station (which is allowed in Ontario) – this is the equivalent of voting ‘none of the above’.
Rat(expletive)
I have seen Sandra Pupatello in action. She is a courageous leader who stood up to the wasteful spending of the PCs and also the cronyism plus the Magna budget. Her courageous leadership was met by much PC/Tory bullying which has only furtherered her legend.
I encourage you to read my series of blog posts on the great leader that is Sandra Pupatello. If not for sincere admiration of her leadership and a sincere rejection of the negatory campaigning, I’d root for John Tory.
SVC.
Pupatello, like Boutrianni and others is just another left wing-nut, liberal party hack. She may be courageous but her politics stink. A Liberal standing up to cronyism is to laugh. And wasteful spending by the PC’s???? You mean that meanie party that lowered our taxes, only to see them go up when Dolton and his merry band of Socialists came to power?
No thanks, your Sandra may be the next thing to Mother Theresa but her political affiliation belies her true nature. No wonder this Province is in trouble!
By the way,is she a relative of yours?
From the Liberal troll poseur, otherwise known as SVC alumnus, blog:
“So we plan to use some blunt objects on John Tory. The people of this province need to be told what his party really is, over and over – mean-spirited ideologues who hang out with rich people and want to privatize everything. They’re not progressive conservatives; they’re Reform-style conservatives trying to hide their Reform-ness. They’re not tax fighters; they’re people who lied about the deficit, and saddled Ontario tax payers with tons of debt. They’re not people – like Mike Harris claimed to be – who did what they said they’d do; they’re people who want to trick their way back to power, so they can reward their fat-cat cronies, and kick-start another class war.
Yup, that’s what happened. The religious schools tax credit plank was a gift to Warren from John :-). So when John Tory decided to make the issue a free vote, that was a de facto concession of the election tomorrow by being decisive.
Oops, I almost forgot. You Ontarians reading this get to vote. Do yourselves a favor… vote Ontario Liberal. Even the true conservatives are dumping off John Tory!”
Like the pathological liar that is his leader, this Liberal excretes lies. Remember the deficit Liberal Peterson created, only to be doubled to $100 billion by now Liberal Bob Rae? Remember S&P dropping our credit rating to reflect the socialist mishandling of our tax dollars?
Remember Mike Harris reviving Ontario’s economy and restoring our credit rating?
Despite Tory sabotaging his own campaign by underestimating the madrassa elephant in the room, he is still light years ahead of any Liberal.
Scum attracts scum.
#1. rat(expletive)… as to cronyism, Sandra Pupatello stood up to the Tory land deals and got threatened w/ litigation for doing so. I admit, she is the exception.
The Tories also had Cam Jackson and Ernie Eves and spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars on the Magna budget spectacle. It was Sandra Pupatello – not Ernie, not John Tory and not Dalton McGuinty – who led the defense of your democracy. She is the Windsor’s Lady Churchill and in a way their mother figure.
The answer to your last question is no. She is an exemplar and also someone I feel great affection.. although I support many conservative things like cutting taxes, free market health care and free trade. Sandra and I have much, much daylight between us on at least two of those issues. At least we hold the same views on the war on the terror and in the power of democracy.
#2. irwin daisy – The quotes were from a Warren Kinsella speech. And if you read the comments on this thread, you’d realize the true conservatives are breaking away from John Tory & Warren Kinsella was right.
I encourage you to be a bit more civil.
You included the comments on your blog and obvously agreed with them.
“Oops, I almost forgot. You Ontarians reading this get to vote. Do yourselves a favor… vote Ontario Liberal. Even the true conservatives are dumping off John Tory!”
You are a Liberal leftard troll posing as a Conservative. As confirmation: your lack of intelligence.
The weasels acceptance speech:
“To the great people of Ontario, I thank you from the bottom of my black stygian heart. You have given me another four year mandate to lie, cheat, steal; to line my friends pockets with your hard earned tax dollars; to let you all die for lack of medical care, or better yet, at the hands of a criminal out on bail…”
BTW, I voted Tory.
irwin;
Depends on your persepective, friend. Might want to skim THIS first buddy. It’s called “Why I Am A Conservative”… X 48.
The acceptance speech of the CEO of Americans for Pupatello tonight: “MISSION: ACCOMPLISHED! 4 MORE YEARS OF DEMOCRACY – THE NEGATORY CAMPAIGN DIDN’T WORK… NEXT TIME, HIRE TASHA KHEIRIDDIN!”